View Full Version : Stripperweb wisdom: Give pussy away for free; make guys pay for nothing
xdamage
04-15-2008, 07:05 AM
^^^
Blue side topics have a way of drifting far off course, but that is what makes them so interesting.
Lunarobverse
04-15-2008, 07:40 AM
Oh good taste!
Thanks! I kinda expected you to take notice of my footwear! :)
Eric Stoner
04-15-2008, 07:49 AM
They would be better off spending it on some good escorts, and I don't mean the mythical escorts who don't have to put out that the pinkies talk about.
I think it's O.K. to be a "giver". I'm a giver but to pay out thousands a month JUST for companionship ? If they're that lonely or socially inept then I think they need professional help.
Very few men give out money just for that. The girls are lying.
They either fuck and don't admit that, or they aren't getting nearly as much money as they say they do.
There are so many undercover hoes, you can't even begin to discuss it. I respect the hustle, they should get that money. Just don't lead other chicks astray with false tales of fortune from doing nothing.
hockeybobby
04-15-2008, 07:58 AM
^^^I don't know much about it, but this sounds more realistic to me.
Are there any jobs or acts a woman could have done that make her ineligible for marriage? talking "sexually", not like if she murdered her kids.
For example, if she had been in hardcore porn, been a prostitute, etc.
I had a friend who left his finance about 3 days before the wedding because he found out she had done like 10 pornos.
Also
As Barbara and I were discussing, we have both noticed that male feminists and promoters of paganism both focus on increasing female promiscuity. Virgin pagan sects are ignored and if a male feminist is involved in a heated discussion of female sexuality, you already know ahead of time he's arguing against those that are suggesting maybe girls should slow down or perhaps even be celibate to regain sexual power.
Sensible male feminists, stand down. It's a generality, yes, yes.
Then we have these guys
The bit that confuses me is about myself as a man, my urges and my behaviour. Basically, what I want to know is how far I can enjoy looking at attractive women before I cross into misogyny. I have a pretty active sexual mind, which I direct mainly towards a great sex life with my girlfriend. But I find it difficult to turn this off, and often my girlfriend isn’t there. So….
[...]
Another one is this - what about my girlfriend’s female mates? They’re all dressed up to go clubbing, and I’m going too. They’re all attractive, intelligent, funny women and I have a great time with them. How far should I let myself enjoy this? I mean, obviously I’m not going to do anything, but if I say “you look nice/ that’s a nice top” etc. most of them appreciate it (and most of them are feminists, too). But if I say this, then I mean it, so I must have had a look, mustn’t I? Aargh!
One dirty trick I used to use was to have a feminist like book in my car, on the floor of the passenger side when I would go on dates with girls that were pretty hardcore about. They had a pre-conceived notion about me, would get in, see the book, have a moment of "Wtf...HE would read...THIS?" and I knew it was gonna be a piece of cake. Thank you Camile Paglia!
One recent book that I find quite fascinating is this one:
Synopsis
Today's young women seem to be outdoing the male chauvinist pigs of yesteryear, applauding the 'pornification' of other women, and themselves. This is a world where simulating sex for baying crowds of men on shows like Girls Gone Wild and going to lapdancing clubs - as patrons - is seen as a short cut to cool. Ariel Levy says the joke's on the women if they think this is progress. She tears apart the myth of this new brand of 'empowered woman' and refuses a culture-wide obligation for women to act and look like porn stars. This terrifically witty and wickedly intelligent book makes the case that the rise of raunch does not represent how far women have come - it proves only how far women have left to go.
Jokes on you, empowered lady.
I figure we have about 15 years left until they catch on and realize we conned them. More men like me are reading this stuff than women.
I'm constantly amazed at the pornosphere. The river of hot women just keeps flooding the plains. These would would rather do porn than date you, HB. Does that upset you? That she would rather suck cock on video and be judged by society negatively than let you buy her dinner at a nice restaurant?
Ah finally found it again:
That's my favorite article on male feminists. How delicious they are!
As a matter of fact, it's caused me to realize that most of the men I've personally known who have made a huge hairy point of identifying as feminists have been either date rapists, mom fetishists, porn addicts, or bear daddies inflicting their frustrated pseudopaternal tendencies on women.
These guys are more chick-oriented than TOO.
Example Two: Edgy sexy artsy bisexual left-wing guy is always suggestive and provocative, always posting impassioned essays on Art and Politics, and especially Feminism. He talks about the pro-choice rallies and political events he's attended, but he doesn't mention that he went for the chicks. He likes to tell people what feminism does and doesn't mean -- to him, feminism is mostly about "women's freedom to express themselves sexually without being shamed or oppressed by other feminists." Id est: porn, threesomes, and you taking the pill. He'll argue for sex-positive feminism all day long, putting down other feminists for being "patronizing, infantilizing, and patriarchal." PS: He's only pretending to be bisexual.
yoda57us
04-15-2008, 09:10 AM
Very few men give out money just for that. The girls are lying.
They either fuck and don't admit that, or they aren't getting nearly as much money as they say they do.
There are so many undercover hoes, you can't even begin to discuss it. I respect the hustle, they should get that money. Just don't lead other chicks astray with false tales of fortune from doing nothing.
Agreed. Though there is a lonely sucker born every minute I don't believe for a minute that the majority of women who are escorting are making a living without spreading their legs. There was some pinkie bragging about it on one of the the "Other Work" threads last year but she was spending most of her time talking about how she deals with pissed off customers who want their money back when they find out she isn't going to put out for them.
yoda57us
04-15-2008, 09:13 AM
Are there any jobs or acts a woman could have done that make her ineligible for marriage? talking "sexually", not like if she murdered her kids.
For example, if she had been in hardcore porn, been a prostitute, etc.
Murder would be a deal breaker. Porn or prostitution or any other job in the sex industry would not.
xdamage
04-15-2008, 09:18 AM
I also am very skeptical about the number of women who can keep a SD strung along indefinitely with no exchange of sex.
I have no idea what the actual statistics are, but SW is not an environment that I would trust to promote honest disclosure about this. We have seen far too many threads erupt in to "dirty whore" threads, so there is little benefit in a provider disclosing the facts with this group.
Related to sh0t's question... SW girls use to be more vocal about the notion that they would NEVER date a customer. A customer made a guy an automatic loser. Fast Forward... increasingly SW girls acknowledge that on occasion, they have met customers who they would date. But I still wonder, how many sex workers would not date or marry a guy who was a user of sex workers.
I think it's probably more likely for a stripper to date or marry a customer than it is for a prostitute to marry a John. No stats on it, just a gut feeling.
For love, I mean. I can see them marrying a rich John for the money and comfort.
PuertoRicanPinup
04-15-2008, 09:37 AM
Related to sh0t's question... SW girls use to be more vocal about the notion that they would NEVER date a customer. A customer made a guy an automatic loser. Fast Forward... increasingly SW girls acknowledge that on occasion, they have met customers who they would date. But I still wonder, how many sex workers would not date or marry a guy who was a user of sex workers.
This cracks me up. Sometimes I hear girls at my club saying they would never date a guy they met in the club, meanwhile they're supporting some douchbag boyfriend that doesn't have a job. The last 5 guys that I have dated I met in the club.
yoda57us
04-15-2008, 09:42 AM
I think it's probably more likely for a stripper to date or marry a customer than it is for a prostitute to marry a John. No stats on it, just a gut feeling.
For love, I mean. I can see them marrying a rich John for the money and comfort.
Well, no stats here either but I have a feeling you are probably right. First of all most escorts don't civvie date while they are escorting. PL customers fall in love with them just like they do with strippers of course but a relationship will always hinge on the guy expecting the lady to give up her profession. I know women that have dropped out of the biz for a sugar daddy relationship. This sort of relationship usually lasts until the guy gets over his infatuation and realizes he can't stand being with a woman who has a past, even if it is in the past. The lady winds up back in it and a little more bitter for the experience.
Chili Palmer
04-15-2008, 09:43 AM
<makes a mental note to visit San Diego this summer, blow off Sh0t, and see PRP>
And what club would that be? :brow:
CP
Jenny
04-15-2008, 09:47 AM
^^^
Well, I don't approve of dating douchebags - like regardless of occupation. But I understand not wanting to date strip club customers. I also understand not wanting to date strippers - although I actually don't think those things are particularly analogous.
I think if I met any guy who knew anything, let alone much, about feminism that he hadn't gleaned from "The Man Show" or an Always commercial I'd be pretty impressed regardless of his views on it.
xdamage
04-15-2008, 09:47 AM
I think it's probably more likely for a stripper to date or marry a customer than it is for a prostitute to marry a John. No stats on it, just a gut feeling.
For love, I mean. I can see them marrying a rich John for the money and comfort.
I have no statistics either, but my gut feeling is you are right.
Eric Stoner
04-15-2008, 10:07 AM
I also am very skeptical about the number of women who can keep a SD strung along indefinitely with no exchange of sex.
I have no idea what the actual statistics are, but SW is not an environment that I would trust to promote honest disclosure about this. We have seen far too many threads erupt in to "dirty whore" threads, so there is little benefit in a provider disclosing the facts with this group.
Related to sh0t's question... SW girls use to be more vocal about the notion that they would NEVER date a customer. A customer made a guy an automatic loser. Fast Forward... increasingly SW girls acknowledge that on occasion, they have met customers who they would date. But I still wonder, how many sex workers would not date or marry a guy who was a user of sex workers.
One reason is that the lines between dancing and escorting have gotten blurred over the years. Ever since I started clubbing there were always one or two dancers who would ahem "date" custies for $ and they were looked down on and vilified by most of their fellow dancers screaming inter alia : " It makes us all look like prostitutes when we are ENTERTAINERS !" Gradually, it became more and more common and lost a lot of it's negative reputation. I think part of it had
to do with the increased availability of extras inside the clubs.
SW has always had its cadre of moralists who could be quite shrill in condemning this sort of thing thus discouraging candor among other members. Gradually over the years it started to be discussed a lot more openly and honestly.
As far as escorting w/o sex is concerned, it DOES exist. There are guys willing to pay just for companionship ; or eye candy as a status thing or just to have someone to go with to an event where they'd "stick out" going stag BUT , and I know this because I know a few women who are in this niche of escorting ( and it's a small niche) the few women that get this type of work are the Creme De la Creme. They are beautiful. Not pretty; not attractive- BEAUTIFUL and educated.
A college degree is a sine qua non plus they're cultured and worldly. Usually they are multi-lingual. For the most part, sex is not involved and when it is, it comes with an extra price tag. A BIG one. At least $1000 an hour. Btw, the fee for the escorting part isn't as much as some might think. The escorting; not the sex, if any. They work for model's rates of anything from $350 to $600 an hour plus expenses BUT their typical engagement is ALWAYS multi-hour and there's usually a minimum of at least $1000. They do NOT advertise on Eros or have web-sites. It's almost 100% wom. They almost always do it as a sideline . A surprising number are married. There are also a few men that fulfill a similar function commonly known as "walkers". Sex is even less likely with them, unless you're a man , because about 1/2 of them are gay.
So the bottom line is 95 % of escorts and "Sugar-babies" are talking about something else when they discuss "escorting' or "dating" because at least 95% of them lack the qualities, qualifications and CONTACTS for this type of work.
Then of course, there are paid or retained mistresses and the other facets of high end escorting.
<makes a mental note to visit San Diego this summer, blow off Sh0t, and see PRP>
And what club would that be? :brow:
CP
Super-dime, too. All the SD girls are. And only one nutcase in the bunch, TM.
Her point is the most hilarious to me. The template of the stripper supporting the douche-bag boyfriend is beyond comedy to me. You'd think if ANY group of women would know better, they'd be it.
Jenny: does that mean you are somewhat impressed by me?
yoda: seen that cycle happen
And eric's last few sentences put the icing on the cake regarding the convo upstairs. Do I quote it for emphasis?
So the bottom line is 95 % of escorts and "Sugar-babies" are talking about something else when they discuss "escorting' or "dating" because at least 95% of them lack the qualities, qualifications and CONTACTS for this type of work.
CP would pay for Ms. Piggie to escort him around town. oink oink!
Eric Stoner
04-15-2008, 10:33 AM
I'm sorry if it causes offense but reality is REALITY. Anyone who thinks that the typical "sugar-baby" or even high priced escort is cut out for the type of work I described is delusional. It just ain't gonna happen. Could SOME do it ? Sure. But most do not have the education; the background and even the looks to pull it off. And most of them do NOT have the contacts to even get started. That's the REAL WORLD. Like it or not.
xdamage
04-15-2008, 10:41 AM
SW has always had its cadre of moralists who could be quite shrill in condemning this sort of thing thus discouraging candor among other members. Gradually over the years it started to be discussed a lot more openly and honestly.
Yea, I think most of us who have been reading here for a while have seen the candor level improve some.
Regarding being offensive... it is less of an issue on the blue side. We push and prod the limits, and sometimes it causes offense, but it also tends to promote a level of disclosure you just don't get when everyone is shackled by the need to be "supportive".
yoda57us
04-15-2008, 10:53 AM
I'm sorry if it causes offense but reality is REALITY.
Hardly offensive at all Eric just irrelevant for the most part. No one is denying that a very small percentage of women escort without providing sex. If you insist on telling us how elite these women are well then have at it. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I'm assuming that you must be friendly with some of these upper echelon gals on some level to be so adamant about singing their praises.
I'm not fishing in those waters so I could really care less...:)
He sounds like a customer of them a bit.
Are you paying for non-ass Eric?
Keep it real bro
Eric Stoner
04-15-2008, 11:25 AM
He sounds like a customer of them a bit.
Are you paying for non-ass Eric?
Keep it real bro
You can attack my cred and attempt to cast aspersions as much as you please but I have consistently refused to reveal my entire bio and/or recount my personal experiences on a PUBLIC bd. And I'm certainly NOT going to I.D. or out any of my sources. "Golden Rule" KNOWS me and can vouch that I am not just
spreading around barnyard excrement.So do more than a few of the gals but they choose to stay out of certain matters for obvious reasons. I will say that the LAST thing I'd ever do is PAY for just companionship. I shake my head at the guys who pay dancers just to sit and talk to them in strip clubs.
If you have more than just a prurient curiosity send me a PM.
I will say that the LAST thing I'd ever do is PAY for just companionship.
That's all we wanted to know.
The_Oceans
04-15-2008, 12:29 PM
I have favourite shoes. They were like $60 from winners. My next favourite shoes are sketchers.
Hey, my faves are Skechers too :) Every Christmas when I'm at home I hit up the outlet mall, where the Skechers outlet runs a (buy one pair, get the second half-off) offer. I'll usually get two pair of shoes for work for less than $80.
I even found a Skechers store in the middle of Paris when I needed a good, inexpensive pair of shoes for walking around town.
Damn yoda hit us with a classic line right there:
Well that makes it all ok then. One anonymous poster vouching for another is all the back-up I need when pondering information I don't care about anyway...
We need more gems like that and less eyeball clawing references
I
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Are these tits entertaining to you?
http://onedatatime.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/20/mytits2.jpg
Recently I've been wondering If I don't like breast implants, piercings, and tattoos. Maybe it was a fad?
I've been watching Bravo a lot recently, if that helps.
SPLUT
04-15-2008, 01:56 PM
Sh0t, while I'm not much for still life - yes those tits are entertaining. At least for a few minutes.
yoda57us
04-15-2008, 01:57 PM
Damn yoda hit us with a classic line right there:
We need more gems like that and less eyeball clawing references
It always depends on the set-up man....
Are these tits entertaining to you?
They are well-framed but I like darker complected boobies and I'm also not a big fan of implants...
Eric Stoner
04-16-2008, 06:53 AM
If you guys are happy; I'm happy.
Jenny
04-16-2008, 06:58 AM
Jenny: does that mean you are somewhat impressed by me?I might be a little impressed if you actually demonstrated knowledge rather than just assert that you have it.
It's okay. I don't expect you to do it just to impress me.
Nicolina
04-16-2008, 05:52 PM
Honestly, I would have no clue if a girl could be successful as a dancer, whatever she looked like. I mean, I could say if I'm attracted to her or not, but what good does that do her? it's one man's opinion. I've seen some things in my short sc career that have made me scratch my head. Guys are all over the board when it comes to who they'll get a dance from.
I bet if we plotted "physical attractiveness" vs. "success as a stripper", our r^2 value wouldn't be much greater than about 0.6. Especially if we only took facial attractiveness into account.
It might be higher if we used ratings of her body only.
Like Sh0t said, there are some universals: for instance, if we plotted waist-to-hip ratio against average earnings, we might get an r^2 value closer to...I don't know...maybe 0.75?
But there really are so many factors that go into making a successful stripper. I've worked at so many clubs where the top earners were decidedly not the most physically attractive. I don't care what you say, Sh0t, that's just truth. I'm a second-tier girl myself, but I was a damn good stripper. Measurements of symmetry and body specs can't account for how a woman presents in the SC setting: not just her "hustle," but her body language, her relationship to her own sexuality, the pheromones she exudes...I'd go on, but the list approaches the infinite.
I've known plain girls who could drip so much sex appeal they became irresistible to anything with a dick.
I've known thoroughly unsexy girls who were top earners because they just refused to take "no" for an answer. (I'm thinking of one in particular--the most persistent stripper on the planet. Guys would buy dances just to shut her up. But she always banked. Weird but true.)
I've known "too-fat-to-strip" girls who were top earners because they could sell Raid to a bug.
I've known skinny, homely girls who were top earners by the sheer force of a charismatic personality.
That said, I was sort of appalled to see you guys discussing "fake compliments" on pink.:O
Who the hell cares?????!
I think you all need mr. punk to come in and regulate. :P
edit: i know i'm responding to something that happened three pages ago and the thread has since moved on. deal with it.
MsQwerty
04-16-2008, 06:01 PM
^^^I agree with that Nicolina, well said.
If we could collect a group of "successful" strippers, even the "top earners" from 500 random clubs anywhere in the world Im sure the variation in women would be huge.
People go to strip clubs for so many different reasons and what one person finds physically attractive maybe be the opposite of someone else.
Speaking as a skinny 100 pound chick too I personally find that where as outside of work Im supposedly hot, inside a strip clubs people are often looking for someone larger.
All Good Things
04-16-2008, 06:25 PM
^ Sweetheart, it's all about your ass.
Answer for everything.
MsQwerty
04-16-2008, 07:10 PM
^ Sweetheart, it's all about your ass.
Answer for everything.
Heheh, I have 5'8" worth of hair, my arse isnt visible because of it most of the time :)
Lysondra
04-16-2008, 08:09 PM
OOOH OOOH! It's great when she's nude waitressing... she bends over and her hair JUST covers the bits and everyone is leaning to the side praying for a gust of wind. it's funnY!
MsQwerty
04-16-2008, 08:26 PM
^^^Hahaha, it sounds like peope are waiting for me to fart! :-D
Lysondra
04-16-2008, 08:31 PM
Maybe!
MsQwerty
04-16-2008, 08:35 PM
^^^Haha!
Casual Observer
04-17-2008, 02:52 PM
But there really are so many factors that go into making a successful stripper.
Let's presume that's true. Don't we still need, by virtue of the job description, a baseline of physical comeliness to start? An objectively higher or well-above average level of physical attractiveness?
MsQwerty
04-17-2008, 03:19 PM
Let's presume that's true. Don't we still need, by virtue of the job description, a baseline of physical comeliness to start? An objectively higher or well-above average level of physical attractiveness?
No.
One of the things I love and hate about stripping - pretty much any woman can do it :)
Of course some clubs are fussier than others but as far as customers go theres someone for everyone IMO - and has anyone mentioned beer goggles yet?
Also less attractive women can pick up make-up and dress skills as she goes along. You see some amazing transformations take place in strip club dressing rooms sometimes.
TheSexKitten
04-17-2008, 08:42 PM
<makes a mental note to visit San Diego this summer, blow off Sh0t, and see PRP>
And what club would that be? :brow:
CP
Only the very best one! :P