View Full Version : upset over what could be rascim.
Joplin
04-23-2008, 08:46 AM
Corgan,
I'm just pointing out and hoping you can explain to me and all of us on this board, the fact that she was being racist. You wouldn't like it if someone judged you to be racist, As it shows now how you reacted to my statement that it's possible that your feelings of judgement towards the girl could POSSIBLY be a REFLECTION of yourself. Many of us, including much myself, tend to project our fears on another, distracting the reality that it really could be us who's the guilty party. I just wanted to make you think about it, I am not in anyway accusing you of being a racist, but maybe we should think a little deeper at the source of our issues...
So if I live in a house and have a little girl who likes to play in my front yard and the neighbor seems creepy to me, just the way he acts seems off but I can't place it. He's not molested my child and isn't registered. That means me feeling like he is a creepster and telling him to never speak to my daughter or keeping her inside because something about him is wrong, I'm actually the perv? I want to molest my daughter? are you fucking kidding?
Instinct is something. If you feel like something isn't right then you leave because it probably isn't. Why is it so hard for people just to accept it when people say "it really felt like racism/ like he was dangerous/ whatever"? What if a father could just "tell" and "feel" that something wasn't right with his son and thought he could possibly have a drug problem. That feeling would be a reflection of himself until his son is found dead from an OD somewhere. That's ridiculous.
Unless your mentally unstable I think it's hard for projection like that to occur.
Its entirely possible that it was racism.
What? Racism cant happen to white people? ::)
beauty21queen
04-23-2008, 10:09 AM
I've never been called racist. Which is funny, because I make absurd race jokes all the time. But I do it to prove how stupid that shit sounds.
Huh.
Yes you have I think it was something about where you told a black girl to not wear black or something.
Lysondra
04-23-2008, 10:54 AM
Yes you have I think it was something about where you told a black girl to not wear black or something.
Oh fuck, that's right. But I didn't TELL her. I suggested it. ::) That was so fucking stupid.
Bella21
04-23-2008, 07:06 PM
^I remember that! Lol!
Lysondra
04-23-2008, 07:13 PM
Funny enough, I was called racist by a white chick for that. ::) The black girl didn't care.
peanutbutter007
04-24-2008, 06:11 PM
Good grief, racism? I just think the store associate had a bad attitude and poor customer service skills and you just happened to get the unfortunate brunt of it. But, I have a hard time making the leap from this experience to absolute racism.
Getting followed around a store like you're a thief by associates or security guards, attempts at getting you to purchase a $100 item when you've clearly expressed you want the $500 one, getting no help in a high-end store when you're prepared to spend while your counterparts are treated like royalty, and other things similar are more clear expressions overt racism than this experience, sorry. Shitty, yes...racism, I don't believe so.
peanutbutter007
04-24-2008, 06:32 PM
Its entirely possible that it was racism.
What? Racism cant happen to white people? ::)
Possible...of course...but is it clear from the post, no.
And yes racism can happen to me as much as it can happen to whites, Hispanics, Asians, etc. and it does, sadly. But most whites can walk into most stores and shop happily, most white strippers can walk into most clubs and get work, most white victims of violent crime get attention (sometimes national) to find resolve while a lot of black victims are ignored and I could go on with an infinitive list. (Those above are just a few of my personal experiences).
My point is while whites obviously experience racism...most blacks or other "minorities" will have 15+ dealings compared to a white person's sole experience. So it's almost laughable to hear what someone takes as perceived racism compared to personal experience. None of us should experience it, it's the worst feeling ever.>:(
kitana
04-24-2008, 07:01 PM
No, it's not just you, although you have a better way of saying it than I do. My inner eyeballs roll when I hear a white person claiming to be a victim of racism. Even if you were a victim because of your color, it is just the tiniest fraction of what the average black person deals with in a week's time. And I have a very hard time being sympathetic to whites when we still have a horrible (and continuing) history of racism against black people in this country.
Would it stop your eyerolling if it were a Irish or Jewish or Indian person telling this story?
scarlett_vancouver
04-24-2008, 07:15 PM
Would it stop your eyerolling if it were a Irish or Jewish or Indian person telling this story?
My point is while whites obviously experience racism...most blacks or other "minorities" will have 15+ dealings compared to a white person's sole experience. So it's almost laughable to hear what someone takes as perceived racism compared to personal experience. None of us should experience it, it's the worst feeling ever.>:(
That seems to sum it up nicely? I agree with pb007 and AG anyways. It doesn't invalidate anyone's experience, but the social context is so different for racism against a non-minority that it's just a different beast altogether.
TarsTone
04-24-2008, 08:00 PM
I'm laughing my ass off at the self-righteous pc police, turning the tables on Corgan, "rolling their eyes" while asking for irrefutable "proof" of racism when I know damn well if the races were reversed they would be falling over themselves apologizing for simply sharing the same skin color as the bad whitey in the story!
I'm half-Italian, half-Middle Eastern, but I pretty much look European. In my experience there are just as many racist Blacks, Latinos, and Asians in America as there are White ones. There have been plenty of times when I've been at a store where the black clerk is very friendly to the black customers before me, but all the sudden cops an attitude when it's my turn. At my college, this racism was so blatant on part of the Dining Hall staff that I actually filed a written complaint. I'm just as offended if I'm called a Cracker by a black person as I would be if I was called a terrorist by a White person. Last time I checked, that's what equality is supposed to be about. But apparently being treated like shit because of your race is only bad when you're not white. If you believe otherwise, you should educate yourself about "real racism" (the dumbest term I've heard in a while) or "look at yourself" and understand you're a racist bastard for taking offense to racism! Life's funny like that.
francescadubois
04-24-2008, 08:12 PM
I smell another hostile race thread. It'd be really nice if we could all just chill out.
kikiwiki
04-24-2008, 08:35 PM
So if I live in a house and have a little girl who likes to play in my front yard and the neighbor seems creepy to me, just the way he acts seems off but I can't place it. He's not molested my child and isn't registered. That means me feeling like he is a creepster and telling him to never speak to my daughter or keeping her inside because something about him is wrong, I'm actually the perv? I want to molest my daughter? are you fucking kidding?
Instinct is something. If you feel like something isn't right then you leave because it probably isn't. Why is it so hard for people just to accept it when people say "it really felt like racism/ like he was dangerous/ whatever"? What if a father could just "tell" and "feel" that something wasn't right with his son and thought he could possibly have a drug problem. That feeling would be a reflection of himself until his son is found dead from an OD somewhere. That's ridiculous.
Unless your mentally unstable I think it's hard for projection like that to occur.
If you feel like something isn't right, for whatever reason, you have the right to walk away from the situation. But just don't go chalk it up to whatever you were feeling as FACT, when indeed YOU DO NOT KNOW IT IS FACT until you actually ask/see what you feared.
So let's take Corgans and your hypothetical situation, if you have this FEAR that they are racist and molest children, and finally find out for FACT in the end that neither is true, what does that make yourself in the end? I just don't believe that people should jump to conclusions until they have solid proof that what they are feeling is true. And the person who likes to jump to judge so quickly, shows me a character flaw.
And sorry, many wont admit it but FEARS really are a reflection of yourself. Not the same as yourself, but a faint image of your subcoius thoughts. Don't want to be so psychoanalytical, but research has been done on this, look it up. I earned my BA in PSY and read it.
TarsTone
04-24-2008, 08:54 PM
^ Would you have offered the same psychoanalytic viewpoint if the races were reversed?
BalletBaby
04-24-2008, 09:10 PM
Aw Corgan, I'm sorry that happened to you :hug:
And I don't understand why people are debating the fact of whether it was racism or not. You weren't there, but Corgan was. She knows how she was treated.
kikiwiki
04-24-2008, 09:55 PM
^ Would you have offered the same psychoanalytic viewpoint if the races were reversed?
I don't understand...
You mean if Corgan was black and the salesperson was white? Absolutely. Even with the history we have, the only way to stop racism starts with yourself.
AmberHoney
04-25-2008, 11:51 PM
I'm sorry you had to go through this, Corgan.
Some people are inevitably going to roll their eyes at this because what you might experience once a year, they might experience it once an hour.
Racism is wrong, period.
However people that are a visible minority (ie brown skinned) deal with this type of treatment on such a constant basis that it's been proven to cause adverse health effects http://www.newsweek.com/id/129020
Having brown skin brings along things that one could NEVER imagine, both amazingly beautiful things, but amazingly ugly things as well.
We all know that the Irish, the Italian, the Polish, and the Jews have experienced racism at various times, but to equate their experience with the experience of visible minorities is almost insulting. It's like someone with ADD trying to tell someone wheelchair bound with severe cerebral palsy that they "totally feel their pain".
It's freaking funny that back in March I was involved in a police report (that stemmed from a crazy racist chick) and the officer put my race down as white...and then when I went to speak to the detective about it, I overheard his superior mentioning "Oh well, it was dark outside...we'll just fix it in the computer. What the hell is she anyways...she looks white from over here but up close she's obviously something else." ::) And that was the cops.
*shivers*
Again, I am sorry that you had to experience the pain of racism...and I believe that it was definitely based in racism. I think it's perfectly normal and appropriate to feel violated - because you WERE violated.
francescadubois
04-26-2008, 11:55 AM
Racism is wrong, period.
However people that are a visible minority (ie brown skinned) deal with this type of treatment on such a constant basis that it's been proven to cause adverse health effects http://www.newsweek.com/id/129020
Having brown skin brings along things that one could NEVER imagine, both amazingly beautiful things, but amazingly ugly things as well.
AmberHoney, this is SUCH an awesome piece. Thank you. Here is the most profound part of the article, I think:
"When we are angry with someone, we empower the person we hate the most in that moment to make us stressed out or even sick. That's not smart. Seen from that perspective, the most "selfish" thing we can do is to be more compassionate, tolerant and forgiving. When we forgive someone, it doesn't excuse their actions; it frees us from our own chronic stress and suffering, so it's in our own self-interest.
As then-President Bill Clinton said in his address to the Nigerian parliament in 2002, "Some things you just have to forgive and let go. That's one thing I learned from my friend Nelson Mandela. I asked him, 'When you were taking your last walk for freedom, didn't you hate your oppressors again?' He said, 'I did for a while, after all. Look, they kept me for 27 years. I didn't get to see my children grow up. I felt hatred and I was afraid. I hadn't been free in so long.' And then he smiled at me and he said, 'If I still hated them when I got outside the prison gate, I would still be their prisoner.' He said, 'I wanted to be free, and so I let it go'."
Wow. :yes:
kitana
04-26-2008, 06:15 PM
We all know that the Irish, the Italian, the Polish, and the Jews have experienced racism at various times, but to equate their experience with the experience of visible minorities is almost insulting. It's like someone with ADD trying to tell someone wheelchair bound with severe cerebral palsy that they "totally feel their pain".
Wait what?!
You are comparing the horrors that Jewish people have gone through to ADD?!?!?!?!?!
I'm done, before I get myself banned and the cops called, lol! That was just TOO over the top insulting, right up there with that PETA holocaust bullshit.
AmberHoney
04-26-2008, 06:25 PM
Wait what?!
You are comparing the horrors that Jewish people have gone through to ADD?!?!?!?!?!
I'm done, before I get myself banned and the cops called, lol! That was just TOO over the top insulting, right up there with that PETA holocaust bullshit.
Uhm, no. That was not my point at all.
It was in no way shape or form intended to be insulting. If you FEEL insulted, it's simply your personal choice to feel that way and I can't control your perception or your feelings.
AmberHoney
04-26-2008, 06:39 PM
kitana I sent you a PM to better clarify, I hope it helps you to see the reason for my metaphor.
It just goes to show the power of perception though, seriously.
Lysondra
04-26-2008, 10:05 PM
You know... a lot of people are actually visibly Jewish too. And Irish. And Polish.
Your comparison is oranges to oranges.
AmberHoney
04-26-2008, 10:42 PM
You know... a lot of people are actually visibly Jewish too. And Irish. And Polish.
Your comparison is oranges to oranges.
Not really.
When I was in Israel I saw people that were 100% Jewish whose looks varied extremely. Some looked white, some looked Latin, some looked Arabic, some looked almost Asian, some looked part Black, etc. And my best friend is a German Jew...she has the stereotypical Jewish features that the media associates with Jews, but her mother is a blond haired blue eyed Jewish woman. Irish people vary drastically in looks. All of them aren't pale with black hair, or freckled with red hair.
Your response kind of proves my point even more. It's not visible at first glance. You don't see a Jewish person or an Italian person when you see someone a football field away from you. But, if Naomi Campbell is standing in the end zone and you're up in the nosebleed section, you can still spot her as a person of color.
Just to save myself time, I'll cut and paste this:
My post wasn't intended for that purpose. I can't control how you perceive things, but I wanted to clarify what I meant by comparing ADD and Cerebral Palsy to the whole minority issue.
ADD is not visible to the naked eye, correct? You can't just look at someone and tell that they have ADD. The same way that you can't look at say... a man of 5'9'', with pale skin, green eyes, and blond hair... and tell if he is Irish, Italian, or Jewish, correct?
A wheelchair bound person who's body is kind of folded up and they aren't able to walk or stand is something that you can see with your naked eye, correct? The same way that dark skin is visible to the naked eye.
No, I am not comparing ADD to being Irish, Italian, or Jewish...and no I am not comparing Cerebral Palsy to being a dark complected East Indian, African, Latin, etc. And no I am not equating having a disability with being a minority or a non minority.
That would be absolutely absurd.
Lysondra
04-27-2008, 12:42 AM
Funny.. when I see Naomi Campbell across a football field, I see Naomi Campbell. Not a 'person of colour'. But hey, I said 'a lot' not 'everyone' also.
AmberHoney
04-27-2008, 02:47 AM
Funny.. when I see Naomi Campbell across a football field, I see Naomi Campbell. Not a 'person of colour'. But hey, I said 'a lot' not 'everyone' also.
I get what you're saying, I hope you get what I'm saying.
It's weird how there are tons of similarities between the Jewish experience and the Black experience...but there's such a distance between the two. A lot of Jews tried to assimilate or pass...just like a lot of Blacks did. Genocide, slavery, brainwashing, etc. Hair straightening, nose jobs, name changes. It's sad.
I feel all militant and pro-black on the inside even though I'm that "middle of the earth" blend of Arabic/African/European/Asian.
But Lysondra I hope I didn't offend you in any way...it sooooo wasn't my intention to be offensive to Jewish people or Irish/Italians. It was just to demonstrate a point. I pmmed kit, but she's still mad and I can't control her perception.
If I saw Naomi Campbell from far away...I'd probably just be glad I was far away. I hear she likes to throw things :ouch:
francescadubois
04-27-2008, 08:16 AM
If I saw Naomi Campbell from far away...I'd probably just be glad I was far away. I hear she likes to throw things :ouch:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
bem401
04-27-2008, 01:43 PM
Black people are most likely every bit as racist as white people. They just seldom find themselves in a position to demonstrate it.
White people willing to cut black racists slack or minimize their responsibility for their actions or comments are most likely experiencing liberal white guilt. At the same time, they are demonstrating their own racism by refusing to hold them as accountable for their actions as everyone else.
When a black person calls a white person a "cracker", I have to laugh because it is essentially the same thing as calling him "master". Despite some people's belief that it has something to do with saltine crackers, it actually dates back to the days of slavery when the "master" "cracked" the whip . I never could figure out why they would insult themselves so readily, but then again they do use the "n-word" rather liberally.
Just some observations and thoughts as I read through the thread.
Meh.
When I was in 6th grade, my best friend and I used to get chased by a bunch of hispanic and black kids (older too). We are hispanic, too, but we have light hair and eyes... we looked like "white girls" which is what they used to yell as they chased us on their bikes.
Omg, scariest times ever.
But now we laugh at it. Cause even if they caught us, they never "DID" anything. Just scared the piss out of us.
JustJayda
04-27-2008, 03:36 PM
Black people are most likely every bit as racist as white people. They just seldom find themselves in a position to demonstrate it.
White people willing to cut black racists slack or minimize their responsibility for their actions or comments are most likely experiencing liberal white guilt. At the same time, they are demonstrating their own racism by refusing to hold them as accountable for their actions as everyone else.
When a black person calls a white person a "cracker", I have to laugh because it is essentially the same thing as calling him "master". Despite some people's belief that it has something to do with saltine crackers, it actually dates back to the days of slavery when the "master" "cracked" the whip . I never could figure out why they would insult themselves so readily, but then again they do use the "n-word" rather liberally.
Just some observations and thoughts as I read through the thread.
Just in case you didn't know....I'm not the only one of "they" that knows what calling a White person a "cracker" means or, that knows Saltine's were invented in 1949::) Thanks for educating "they" though.
Miss_Luscious
04-27-2008, 04:45 PM
Just in case you didn't know....I'm not the only one of "they" that knows what calling a White person a "cracker" means or, that knows Saltine's were invented in 1949::) Thanks for educating "they" though.
Ok, for here on out, anytime Jayda posts anything you can assume that I would have posted the exact same thing and that as a result my opinion on the matter has been heard as well.
I can't tell you how many times you've posted what I was going to say so I'm just going to let you tell it from now on. I'll just cosign after your posts.
Andygirl
04-27-2008, 04:50 PM
Just in case you didn't know....I'm not the only one of "they" that knows what calling a White person a "cracker" means or, that knows Saltine's were invented in 1949::) Thanks for educating "they" though.
Jayda, I've always been impressed by how articulate you are.
*ducks and runs*
;D
bem401
04-28-2008, 06:44 AM
Just in case you didn't know....I'm not the only one of "they" that knows what calling a White person a "cracker" means or, that knows Saltine's were invented in 1949::) Thanks for educating "they" though.
I'm not inferring you don't know the meaning, but I deal with dozens of black teenagers on a daily basis and I hear them use the term, though never directed at me that I can remember. Most ( virtually all ) of them have no clue where the term came from, but that probably has more to do with the fact that they are teenagers. They don't think the term is quite as funny once they understand it's derivation.
threlayer
04-28-2008, 08:24 AM
The dishonest clerk was gonna pocket the other $35. Or it's a rip-off store.
This is NOT something to make a Federal Case of discrimination over.
Alia_of_the_Knife
04-28-2008, 08:45 AM
Just in case you didn't know....I'm not the only one of "they" that knows what calling a White person a "cracker" means or, that knows Saltine's were invented in 1949::) Thanks for educating "they" though.
LMAO. I love you.
Bella21
04-28-2008, 02:29 PM
Just in case you didn't know....I'm not the only one of "they" that knows what calling a White person a "cracker" means or, that knows Saltine's were invented in 1949::) Thanks for educating "they" though.
I was under the impression that he meant "they" as "the people who use that term as an insult" instead of an entire skin color.
JustJayda
04-28-2008, 03:01 PM
I was under the impression that he meant "they" as "the people who use that term as an insult" instead of an entire skin color.
What's your point?
Neither did I say anything to the contrary of the impression you were under, nor did I define his "they".
Bella21
04-28-2008, 03:04 PM
What's your point?
Neither did I say anything to the contrary of the impression you were under, nor did I define his "they".
My point is that I took his word of "they" as the way I defined it above.
The reason I quoted you is because when you said, "I'm not the only one of 'they'...", you gave the impression (at least to me) that you were putting yourself in that category (of using a racist term) and, from your internet persona, I assumed that you do not use that term.
If you were trying to say something different, please explain "your point".
Bella21
04-28-2008, 03:15 PM
^You have officially lost me and I have no idea what you're trying to get at. I don't know what "Kool-aid free" has to do with anything. I didn't know where the word "cracker" came from until BEM told me. So, I took his "they" as "people who use that word" and I felt that you were getting at something else. It's really that simple.
JustJayda
04-28-2008, 03:18 PM
My point is that I took his word of "they" as the way I defined it above. When you said, "I'm not the only one of 'they'...", you gave the impression (at least to me) that you were putting yourself in that category. If you were trying to say something different, please explain "your point".
And again I ask, what is your point?
Are you asking me if I do or have ever called A White person a "Cracker" Bella? Cuz if that's what you want to know, don't pussy-foot around it, just ask.
Trust, I'm absolutely Kool-Aid free.
Other than that..... to my satisfaction, BEM made his stance and experiences crystal clear to me. So...what are you driving at?
eta:okay, you edited your post, so am I.
Yes, I've used the term "Cracker" when describing a Caucasion person, and to the best of my memory the only time I actually said it to a White lady when I was about 10 at Philles/Padres game. My dad made sure it was the last time.:'(
He could only be but so mad though, because he is where I got it from.
However, he did at least educate me on it, and its probably how I learned what a neologism is.
Mastridonicus
04-28-2008, 03:18 PM
I just found out....I'm white
*pulls pants up and turns them around*
and Kris Kross is out.
Someone told me with their fists :(
Bella21
04-28-2008, 03:20 PM
Jayda, are you just trying to say that there are plenty of people who use that word and know what it means? Because, if that's what you mean, I understand.
JustJayda
04-28-2008, 03:23 PM
^You have officially lost me and I have no idea what you're trying to get at. I don't know what "Kool-aid free" has to do with anything. I didn't know where the word "cracker" came from until BEM told me. So, I took his "they" as "people who use that word" and I felt that you were getting at something else. It's really that simple.
Kool-Aid free means, you don't have to sugar-coat shit with me. I mean that in a nice way. Means my heart does not pump Kool-Aid;) If you want to know something, you can just ask. Anything anyone disagrees with me about is just that, doesn't=beef to me.
And BEM doesn't "know" where the word came from either. So please don't take his word as a prayer-book. It can only be considered a neologism, most probably created by "Blacks".
Bella21
04-28-2008, 03:25 PM
^Bleh, good. You're one SWer who I don't want to cross swords with. >.<
JustJayda
04-28-2008, 03:34 PM
Okay, let me apologize. I didn't mean to come off like that Bella. I am not like that:-[ Sorry. (passin' you my blunt)
Lola Rose
04-28-2008, 03:58 PM
after reading this whole thread, I'mma have to ask you to pass that blunt my way too, JJ. 8)
francescadubois
04-28-2008, 04:25 PM
I just found out....I'm white
*pulls pants up and turns them around*
and Kris Kross is out.
Someone told me with their fists :(
:rotfl: :rotfl:
I know we don't talk a lot, Mast, but you are one of the 3 people that keep me logging onto this message board.
after reading this whole thread, I'mma have to ask you to pass that blunt my way too, JJ. 8)
Yeah, we could ALL use a toke...
bem401
04-28-2008, 04:41 PM
And BEM doesn't "know" where the word came from either. So please don't take his word as a prayer-book. It can only be considered a neologism, most probably created by "Blacks".
If I am mistaken, please enlighten me. ( PM if you prefer ). I am fairly certain it was a Black friend who told me where it came from and the urban dictionary doesn't contradict what I was told. I don't believe it is a new word but I do believe it has seen a resurgence in use and is intended to be offensive to white people.
BTW, when I used the word "they", I meant only those using the word, nothing more than that.
bem401
04-30-2008, 07:33 AM
It's hardly new, though it's use by blacks to refer to whites in general may be more recent; that part I wouldn't know about. The word itself has been used as a derisive term for certain whites since at least the 1700s, and somewhere along the way took on more specific meanings of a) a synonym for southern poor white trash, and b) natives (particularly poor rural ones) of Georgia and Florida. In the latter sense, it was sometimes used self-descriptively without the usual sense of insult.
Several possible derivations are listed in Wikipedia and at dictionary.com, the one you gave being among them. Based on the longevity of it's usage and original interpretations I would consider that derivation one of the least likely though.
Well, the context in which I heard (and still hear) it was from Nothern inner-city black teenagers and it was used as a slur and maybe that's why the racial derivation made the most sense to me at the time. I wasn't personally offended by it. I have more important things to worry about.
VegasPrincess
04-30-2008, 08:04 AM
Uhm, no. That was not my point at all.
It was in no way shape or form intended to be insulting. If you FEEL insulted, it's simply your personal choice to feel that way and I can't control your perception or your feelings.
^^^
Wow, way to lack ownership for your actions!! So if I punch somebody its their choice to feel pain?
Sindi
04-30-2008, 08:42 AM
Hmm. Three extreme examples.
What is it with white people claiming that racism impedes their lives so much?
Even my parents (both parents I live with are white) laugh at people who say shit like that. Being half white, I do as well. White people still have a clear slight upperhand in today's society.
Wow I was trying to read all these comments and not get involved but this is just too much . You suck , your a sucky person and unfortunately typical . I grew up in a big city near Boston I was the only white girl in most of my classes and I was a victim of racism . How dare you say that .......Those girls and boys both harassed me for being "different" they disliked me on sight and made it clear that it was my "white" differences that they thought were amusing . They made fun of my skin color , my body shape , my clothes ...anything and everything that made be different from them , things that couldnt be avoided by being Caucasian . Trust me when I use the word tease or made fun of I am being nice , I was physically and mentally abused for years in school by black kids . Its because of people with YOUR attitude that I had to put with that torture so thanks xo
AND to the rest of you of have been negative in this thread YOU are the problem with SW , YOU are the ones that WE are talking about when we say that posters are mean and or argumentative to other posters .
to the OP, Yes she was being racist and you know it , I know too because I have gone into "hip hop" style clothing stores and have been met by stares and whispers and over all unfriendly-ness . They even have people who work there that are not black per-say maybe a mix or Hispanic , it just seems to be an attitude of employees ........they suck , screw'em , whos needs their crappy marked down clothes that no one else wanted and its gunna end up at TJ Maxx anyways .....Pffft shirt cost more than that girl makes and hour so there :P