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Outkast Rafe
04-23-2008, 05:10 PM
ok this is a wondeful 1st post i offer

free sex

I really dont understand why females would want to pay for sex. i mean women rule the sex world why would you have to pay for it?

red red red
04-23-2008, 11:30 PM
Whoa, this thread got awesome! Thank you for your opinions and discourse, guys.

greenidlady1
04-23-2008, 11:52 PM
also, as CO brings up... not every attractive woman can get laid all the time. and just 'cause she's attractive doesn't mean she likes pursuing it/leaving her house a lot. 8)

This is me, when not at school I don't leave my house a lot. But I don't want it "all the time" either. I'm hornier and certain times of the month than others. I would pay for sex under these conditions

A. I had a disposable income
B. He had a substancial cock, that meaning not anything longer than 5 or 6 inches but thicker than average.
C. He could last longer than 10 minutes but not longer than a hour at a time.
D. Could give me great oral and didn't have any diseases which would prevent him from doing such.
E. Was beautiful, (body, face, etc.)
F. Could make me orgasm more than once
G. Was a good conversationalist at dinner
H. Could give and would give an awesome back massage.
I. Would not play the tv while I am trying to sleep
J. Would be breakfast in bed then provide desert}:D
K. Would indulge in some of fantasies such as dressing up like a geek professor (suspenders, glasses, high waters and all).
L. Would take a bath with me.
M. Hold me in his arms till I fell asleep.

That's all I can think of right now.:)

msonyxorb
04-24-2008, 03:18 AM
On the other end of the extreme though, where is lestat? He has been very candid that he is going on 30 and basically never experiences the enjoyment of an attractive sex partner wanting to fuck him. That is no myth, that is reality for some guys. They must make a tremendous effort and still find attractive women turning them down.

Given a choice between one extreme and the myth on the other, it's not unreasonable to say that some people have to work at a lot less hard, or to say that some people are more likely to find a desirable partner to fuck at least some of the time. If you live on the end of the spectrum that never does, that probably looks like the extreme of "anytime".



I've said no for both reasons.

um i dont know who lestat is, but its the same if you're a really ugly man or a really ugly women. It's hard to get laid if you're really ugly, even harder to get laid if you're really ugly and only want to fuck attractive people. If you're ugly, settle for ugly people and stop complaining that you can't get laid by an attractive person. I bet these same attractive people are complaining that ugly people keep trying to lay them. Again, it's not about gender at that point, if you're ugly, whether you are male or female, pretty people aren't gonna wanna fuck you unless they fall in love. Sorry, it's the truth.

msonyxorb
04-24-2008, 03:24 AM
The question is a threadbuster? It might be better asked on blue, I suppose....

Let me give you a scenario in which I think a woman might want or need access to a male pro:

Imagine a woman, in her early thirties. Let's say she's reasonably attractive. For the sake of argument, let's say she even used to be a stripper.

Her life circumstances have changed a lot: She now spends a great deal of time caring for a disabled or mentally ill family member. This is emotionally wrenching and saps most of her energy. The rest is devoted to school, or a demanding job.

She has no free time at all. She is under enormous stress and is constantly exhausted. Her appearance suffers; she has no time to devote to personal beauty rituals. She's put on 15 pounds, none of her cute clothes fit anymore, and she feels extremely unattractive, even though she's not.

She does not meet any appropriate sex partners at school or work: They are either married or the wrong age. Or just boring. And she has no time for a relationship, anyway.

She can't spend evenings away from home trolling bars or nightclubs, and she doesn't want to expose herself to the risks involved.

But she still has a high sex drive, though its dampened somewhat by stress and exhaustion.

Any man in this situation would have access to sexual release with a pro at almost any price point: from a quick-and-dirty twenty-dollar BJ to a grand-an-hour escort.

I think red is right: Women who find themselves in situations like this should have access to this, too.

I think the demand would be there if it weren't so socially unacceptable.

I dont think its so much that its socially unacceptable. I just think women are more content to fuck a vibrator than men are. I mean you wouldnt believe how many men are grossed out at the thought of a fake vagina or a real doll, and would rather have a hooker. On the other hand most women are more than happy to go into a sex shop and get a vibrator and never have to deal with men ever again.
dildo- clean, trustworthy, doesnt worry about himself, can go as fast or as slow as you want it to
a real person- not clean, not always around, worries too much about himself cumming, smells, often doesnt know what the fuck he's doing.
sex toys are much more superior when it comes to sex. it boggles me why men still prefer real women over a fake vagina when they say all they want is sex.

Jenny
04-24-2008, 05:41 AM
its the same if you're a really ugly man or a really ugly women. It's hard to get laid if you're really ugly, even harder to get laid if you're really ugly and only want to fuck attractive people.Harsh, but true. I often wonder if people who are terminally single (and don't want to be) are in the position because they are "too good" for the people who are like them.


it boggles me why men still prefer real women over a fake vagina when they say all they want is sex.
Well, a vibrator and a sleeve are masturbation aids. I mean, masturbation is a super way to spend your time, but it isn't really the same as sex. Having another person involved is pretty important.

My suspicion is that women would be less able to suspend their disbelief, and that feeling desirable and like your partner wants you is a pretty important part of sex. Or maybe it is not that they are "less able" but more that there is more disbelief to be suspended. I mean the ideal social model for a woman having sex is a guy pursuing her, whereas for guys it is the other way around.

xdamage
04-24-2008, 06:05 AM
um i dont know who lestat is, but its the same if you're a really ugly man or a really ugly women. It's hard to get laid if you're really ugly, even harder to get laid if you're really ugly and only want to fuck attractive people. If you're ugly, settle for ugly people and stop complaining that you can't get laid by an attractive person. I bet these same attractive people are complaining that ugly people keep trying to lay them. Again, it's not about gender at that point, if you're ugly, whether you are male or female, pretty people aren't gonna wanna fuck you unless they fall in love. Sorry, it's the truth.

Definitely harder, for sure, although...

Recently I was at a fetish nightclub with my much younger (her 22, me 47) daughter. The story is amusing because we had no idea that this bar turned into a fetish club after 10pm. Over the next hour or so the club filled with very much overweight, by our social standard, unattractive women of various ages. Turns out there are a lot of guys of all ages at this club too trying to pick them up. I'd say it was about 60% women, 40% guys hoping to score. I asked my daughter if there were any cute guys (I really was curious), and her reply was maybe but not her type of guy.


Can you imagine a fetish club filled with overweight, unattractive men? How many women would show up for that to find a guy to take home for sex? What would the ratio be of women seeking unattractive to overweight men to get laid tonight be?

I have frequently heard women say "guys will fuck anything with a hole."

Now they don't mean every guy, but they do mean statistically your more like to find a guy engage in random sex with someone to get his dick into a warm hole. Which leads me to my next point...



it boggles me why men still prefer real women over a fake vagina when they say all they want is sex.



Unfortunately this is an admission that you really don't understand the other sex's human nature, which means ... You could either ask the opposite sex how they think and feel about it and become enlightened in the process, or go on believing that you are a superior creature for preferring sex with a thing. Your choice. I get the feeling though that your post was a "women are superior" post, and really don't want to understand, in which case, just come out and say that.

bem401
04-24-2008, 06:31 AM
So it's not really about the sex as much as it is what I have to deal with after the fact. How many of us have had one-night affairs that involved more drama than we had expected? I'm not talking horse's head, cut-my-arm-off-to-get-away situations, either, just hassles and pain that strip anything good from an otherwise quality sexual experience.

That's why Charlie Sheen said " I'm not paying them for the sex, I'm paying them to leave when its over".

Painted
04-24-2008, 06:36 AM
a few years ago at my non striper job ...A rather old and ...."cowish" looking lady... (she's really sweet but damn) offered gentleman that worked in a different department to have sex with her for $500.... He wasn't winning and beauty contests himself either but I think the right amount of money and confidence when asking will def. help you get some from a non-"professional male"

^_^

msonyxorb
04-24-2008, 09:35 AM
Definitely harder, for sure, although...

Recently I was at a fetish nightclub with my much younger (her 22, me 47) daughter. The story is amusing because we had no idea that this bar turned into a fetish club after 10pm. Over the next hour or so the club filled with very much overweight, by our social standard, unattractive women of various ages. Turns out there are a lot of guys of all ages at this club too trying to pick them up. I'd say it was about 60% women, 40% guys hoping to score. I asked my daughter if there were any cute guys (I really was curious), and her reply was maybe but not her type of guy.


Can you imagine a fetish club filled with overweight, unattractive men? How many women would show up for that to find a guy to take home for sex? What would the ratio be of women seeking unattractive to overweight men to get laid tonight be?

I have frequently heard women say "guys will fuck anything with a hole."

Now they don't mean every guy, but they do mean statistically your more like to find a guy engage in random sex with someone to get his dick into a warm hole. Which leads me to my next point...



Unfortunately this is an admission that you really don't understand the other sex's human nature, which means ... You could either ask the opposite sex how they think and feel about it and become enlightened in the process, or go on believing that you are a superior creature for preferring sex with a thing. Your choice. I get the feeling though that your post was a "women are superior" post, and really don't want to understand, in which case, just come out and say that.

Honey, maybe the men were not unnattractive to you, but seeing from what your daughter said it seems like they were for the most part, unnattractive. Just because they werent overweight doesnt mean theyre not ugly. Guys have lower standards when judging mens looks than they do when judging womens looks, i understand this. Also guys seem to look less at the face and more than the body, so while many of the girls may have been fat they were probably more attractive than a lot of the guys there with butterfaces.

and youre the one saying women are superior. not me. i say its equally hard to get laid for a man or women if youre ugly and have ridiculously high expectations, which a LOT of men seem to have much more than women. Women are much more likely to settle for an unnattractive guy, but men seem to think they deserve a girl a billion times prettier than them. that has more to do with why guys have a harder time getting laid than women.

Casual Observer
04-24-2008, 03:35 PM
Women are much more likely to settle for an unnattractive guy, but men seem to think they deserve a girl a billion times prettier than them. that has more to do with why guys have a harder time getting laid than women.

It's not that men think they deserve women that are objectively, comparatively more attractive--it's just that they're more prone to swinging for the fences because sometimes they'll hit a home run. It happens.

But it's also irrelevant to the question of why men have more comparative difficulty getting sex than women.

Jenny
04-24-2008, 03:53 PM
But it's also irrelevant to the question of why men have more comparative difficulty getting sex than women.Not really. She's contending that men are "swinging for the fences" rather than punching their weight, whereas women do the opposite. I know I've mixed sporting analogies, but who cares? They're sports. Their analogies are not important.

xdamage
04-24-2008, 03:55 PM
Women are much more likely to settle for an unnattractive guy, but men seem to think they deserve a girl a billion times prettier than them. that has more to do with why guys have a harder time getting laid than women.

I'll defer to Casual Observer's response as he summed it up nicely.

Just to be clear tough, we are talking about two separable things, and I agree with you about people who shoot far out of their attractiveness league, but the fetish club example was more about opportunities for casual sex for males vs female who are equally average or even unattractive.

Paris
04-24-2008, 08:00 PM
Why would you want to pay for it when you can basically go find a guy anywhere and get it for free? I mean, unless you're hideously ugly, most girls can get most guys to bang them.

Odd thread...

The hassle factor. Some times guys get all butt-hurt when you tell them to go home after words.}:D Those fragile egos can get in the way.

threlayer
04-24-2008, 08:54 PM
Believe me. BOTH men and women have fragile egos. Just about different things.

msonyxorb
04-26-2008, 03:40 AM
It's not that men think they deserve women that are objectively, comparatively more attractive--it's just that they're more prone to swinging for the fences because sometimes they'll hit a home run. It happens.

But it's also irrelevant to the question of why men have more comparative difficulty getting sex than women.
The same can be said for women, women will sometimes hit a home run too yet most feel so desperate for any kind of love that they settle for any guy who will say they're pretty. It's really really sad.

Jezzebelle
04-26-2008, 05:57 AM
Me and a freind trawled the male escort sites a few years back looking for celeb look-a-likes, and/or someone who looked out of the ordinary. But every single one of them looked just like any old bloke you would see down the pub. Whats the point in paying for that????

Celeb look-a-likes could make a mint I reckon.

hockeybobby
04-26-2008, 07:55 AM
^^^
My business card:

Have Kevin Costner face,
Will fuck for money.

1-800-Man Stud

london
04-26-2008, 10:20 AM
I know a very good-looking guy who is/was a gigolo/ softcore actor. He had impeccable looks, hygiene, and physique but I knew (and he alluded to the fact) that "I" , or any other hot chick for that matter, wouldn't have needed to pay to be with him. His clientele was older women, although I suspected that he may have also been a bit bi. Who knows for sure? But he was definitely a consummate professional. Haven't hung out with him in a while but he was definitely a very interesting character and could be quite charming (although a bit of a narcissist)!

i.breathe.in
04-26-2008, 10:52 AM
if i could find a completely passable hot ass pre op tranny, i would be very tempted.