View Full Version : Help me understand....
Otoki
11-04-2008, 12:23 AM
Anybody in a SC using excessive prices as a reason not to do dances is contradicting himself by being there in the first place. If money is truly an issue, its not the place to be, with or without dances. Speaking for myself, I can only say I'm much more selective about who I do dances with than who I'll buy a drink for and if I'm willing to spend the equivalent of a dance on her drinks, I'd probably prefer a dance or do a dance in addition to the drinks. Passing on a $5 or $10 dance because of the costs seems kinda ridiculous.
Exactly. I don't understand the "bargaining mentality" that some customers have. I've seen it in serving, too. I just don't get why they think it's ok.
Otoki
11-04-2008, 12:26 AM
I tend to go to clubs where the ladies are taking home 100-200 per 7 hour shift.
I'm usually not interested in dances (air dances for $20 at these clubs), but I love to chat.
So, I'll decline a dance, but offer a drink, and if she talks with me for 10 minutes or more, I'll tip her 10-20 (next time she's on stage).
We often end up chatting for two hours, and she gets 60-80, and (I think) we're both happy.
Pfunk
No, you're not both happy. For two hours of time they should have gotten 300 MINIMUM (400 if you're being realistic). Even if they were just hustling the floor, they would have made more than a pathetic 80 bucks in two hours.
Otoki
11-04-2008, 12:30 AM
Not sure....I've never paid attention. I am guessing probaly so.
I know, it's ridiculous that 5$ dances even exist, but what's more ridiculous is that people still complain. I mean really, how much cheaper do they want it to get? 4$? 3$? Why not just dance for free then??
Which, BTW, I do try to get hustled by customers all the time to knock the dance price down to $3.
SAD, SAD, SAD
So, does that mean you ladies don't get tipped shit on stage? Or do you make most of your money from stage?
Or do you just not make any money at all?
I mean, WTF is with the prices?
Otoki
11-04-2008, 12:39 AM
I suspect that the guy who buys a dancer several drinks while she sits with him is having a fantasy of being on a date with a hot girl. If that is what he wants, that should be fine, but you should expect him to pay you for sitting there. Otherwise, unless you are thirsty, staying there is not very cost-productive.
I'm not completely sure that abcd is not playing us, here and in other threads NOBODY could be THAT cheap.
I'm pretty convinced by now that he's a troll. There's no other explanation for this level of obtuseness.
Otoki
11-04-2008, 12:41 AM
Those immature girls have no place in a club which is trying to make money flow. Management should educate them or fire them. They bring in time-waster customers who often get drunk and make trouble.
A club is a business place.
I also agree with this. Very succinctly put.
Otoki
11-04-2008, 12:41 AM
I think that these customers really never thought of how expensive these drinks were. I think that they are behaving this way because they are trying to get you to like them.
...and we'll like them better if they purchase alcohol for us rather than giving us money with which we can pay our bills?
I'm still not getting this.
CherryBomb954
11-04-2008, 02:26 AM
Otoki.....
There's a "multi quote" function.....it's that little "M-quote" button. Just press that for every person you want to quote, that way it will all be one post instead of having to post a bunch of different ones. I see you are a Veteran member, and maybe you already know this, maybe it's a glitch....so sorry if that's so but just tryin' to help.
Anyway, I posted this thread quite a while ago and it seems this weird theory is still being discussed. There are some good points....like how they want to feel like they are on a date, or get "face time" or how some guys are just like that....which is cool, but why can't they just be honest about it? That's something to ponder....
Why does there have to be a million excuses made up (especially saying things like "Dances/VIP are too expensive") Money is clearly not the issue if you are willing to buy me a fair amount of drinks....How about just saying "No thanks, I don't want a dance, I'd rather just buy you a drink and chat with you for a while, cause that's just kinda what I like to do" Pretty simple, eh? I am not usually one to sit and do this for an extended period of time, but WOW if a guy was actually that blatently honest about it....Hell yeah I'd sit and have a few cocktails with him just for not feeding me BS.
mediocrity
11-04-2008, 04:20 PM
The customers who claim that they didn't realize that drinks were more expensive than dances are pretending that they did not realize this so they can act like the dancer who tells them this is helping them out.
Buying a drink for a dancer is a nice thing to do (even if many dancers do not appreciate it) while giving money to a dancer can actually ruin the customer's chance at having friendship/relationship/free sex with that dancer.
If a customer gives actual money to a dancer, he may feel bad about himself because of it.
So, people shouldnt pay us and just try to get "free sex"? Have you ever looked at a dancers back and noticed there isnt a control panel there? Heres a thought: we are people who have bellies to feed, and bills to pay. Say it with me: HUMAN.
It's our job dude, not your personal dating service.
CherryBomb954
11-04-2008, 04:53 PM
If a customer gives actual money to a dancer, he may feel bad about himself because of it.
Then why be there at all?? Most men are aware of how things work (although they like to act like they don't) at SC's. So if there has to be this whole emotional/mental psychoprocesses going on just to have some cocktails and see some titties, then the fun aspect has competely been taken out of the equation and you should GO HOME. After all, SCs were created as places for FUN and entertainment (which yes, you pay for) Places of fun and entertainment they may be, they are still equipped with things called "people at work" a.k.a. "strippers"
There are lots of places where girls party, get fucked up, get naked and are looking for a date....it's called your local college meat market bar. Go on a night where they are having a wet t-shirt/jello-wrestling/mechanical bull or some other fun-inducing thing and you've really got yourself a treat.
There should be no aspect of guilt involved when it comes to getting a lapdance or tipping a stripper. It's bad for both ends. You are thinking too much and not enjoying yourself, probably drinking too much, and we aren't making any money.
If you can't kick back and enjoy lapdances, enjoy tipping on stage, having VIP time, etc....just stay out of the club. I know, it sucks. You want to go. That's life though. There are just things in life that one can't and shouldn't do. Deal with it.
Bob_Loblaw
11-05-2008, 01:01 AM
That was great! You are a great internet poster!
...
Thank you for a great post!
Not everyone can provide gems like you do abcd. You're my hero! My goal in life is to emulate you; however, no matter how hard I try, I know I'll never be able to do you justice.
Otoki
11-05-2008, 02:54 AM
Otoki.....
There's a "multi quote" function.....it's that little "M-quote" button. Just press that for every person you want to quote, that way it will all be one post instead of having to post a bunch of different ones. I see you are a Veteran member, and maybe you already know this, maybe it's a glitch....so sorry if that's so but just tryin' to help.
Anyway, I posted this thread quite a while ago and it seems this weird theory is still being discussed. There are some good points....like how they want to feel like they are on a date, or get "face time" or how some guys are just like that....which is cool, but why can't they just be honest about it? That's something to ponder....
Why does there have to be a million excuses made up (especially saying things like "Dances/VIP are too expensive") Money is clearly not the issue if you are willing to buy me a fair amount of drinks....How about just saying "No thanks, I don't want a dance, I'd rather just buy you a drink and chat with you for a while, cause that's just kinda what I like to do" Pretty simple, eh? I am not usually one to sit and do this for an extended period of time, but WOW if a guy was actually that blatently honest about it....Hell yeah I'd sit and have a few cocktails with him just for not feeding me BS.
HOLY FUCK BALLS! Thank you so much. When I tried the m-quote function the first time, it didn't work. Now it does, and I can go back to doing epic posts like I'm used to.
As for the honesty thing, I agree. Sometimes there's no one there, and having a dude buy me food or something is a nice way to start out my night.
Otoki
11-05-2008, 02:59 AM
The customers who claim that they didn't realize that drinks were more expensive than dances are pretending that they did not realize this so they can act like the dancer who tells them this is helping them out.
Buying a drink for a dancer is a nice thing to do (even if many dancers do not appreciate it) while giving money to a dancer can actually ruin the customer's chance at having friendship/relationship/free sex with that dancer.
If a customer gives actual money to a dancer, he may feel bad about himself because of it.
Which is why we have regular pubs where dudes can buy chicks drinks with the chance of getting laid WITHOUT wasting their money-earning time.
Not everyone can provide gems like you do abcd. You're my hero! My goal in life is to emulate you; however, no matter how hard I try, I know I'll never be able to do you justice.
Agreed. I, personally, am in awe of his persistence in pushing his cheap-ass philosophy in a STRIPPER-ORIENTED FORUM.
CherryBomb954
11-05-2008, 11:48 AM
Another explanation for customers who buy drinks for dancers while refusing to buy dances, even at a cheaper price could be that these customers want the club to make money even if a particular dancer does not. They may want to help out the club out of a sense of gratitude.
WHAT?!?! WHO EVEN THINKS ABOUT THAT?!
Guys? Anyone want to help me out here? Tell me.....which of you come to the club not for the strippers but to buy drinks for the benefit of the club's finances?
Oh my god my fucking brain hurts. I need to stay away from this thread. Literally, my brain is melting right now.
jt777
11-05-2008, 01:20 PM
i am right there with you cherrybomb954
are you kidding me? gratitude for what?:confused:
i would rather give my cover charge or drink money to the dancer than to the club. the clubs are only there to make money, they dont care about the dancers. its the dancers who do all the hard work so it only makes sense for me to give it to the dancer if i had to choose.
other than that, the only other thing that i can think of is if a guy doesn't feel right about getting dances because he is in a relationship, but still like to look at beautiful girsl he still just gets drinks to chill out before going home to his wife/gf.
as a guy, i feel that the dancers put up with alot of crap, so they should deserve the gratitude, not the club.
mediocrity
11-05-2008, 02:52 PM
Not everyone can provide gems like you do abcd. You're my hero! My goal in life is to emulate you; however, no matter how hard I try, I know I'll never be able to do you justice.
You know, I dont think any of us will ever achieve that level of enlightenment. It's awe inspiring.::)
In all honesty though, I wanted to e-sock him in the face, then after reading the "you're a great internet poster" I dissolved into LOLZ.
Harlow
11-05-2008, 04:57 PM
do you ladies drink regular as in full alcohol drinks with customers? does your club give you any commission off the drnks you sell? And (last one)do custies tip you when you drink with them? cheers! Harlow
pinkpuff
11-07-2008, 06:06 AM
The customers who claim that they didn't realize that drinks were more expensive than dances are pretending that they did not realize this so they can act like the dancer who tells them this is helping them out.
Buying a drink for a dancer is a nice thing to do (even if many dancers do not appreciate it) while giving money to a dancer can actually ruin the customer's chance at having friendship/relationship/free sex with that dancer.
If a customer gives actual money to a dancer, he may feel bad about himself because of it.
Lol I know you are a troll but i have to ask anyway.
are you an unnattractive indian man who frequents cheap ass Deja Vu clubs? You sure sound familiar.
Anyway, anyone who thinks that they can score with a stripper by NOT spending any money on her is a complete moron. If you spend no money on me at my job it shows that you disrespect my job and disrespect me and dont value me enough to even think im worth 20 bucks. I would never ever consider dating or even being friends with a guy who thinks women are so worthless (or even worse, that alcohol is worth more than a woman). Ex/ one time I did meet this guy at my club who seemed pretty cool and i was totally going to give him my number. I asked him for a dance and he refused. he didnt tip me on stage either. He told me i should take it as a compliment that he doesnt want to degrade my by dancing with me. What an idiot. He definately did NOT get my number and i give him the evil eye and a "wtf are you doing in here moron?" every time he comes back to the club. On the other hand, there was also another time where i was interested in a guy at the club. He bought a dance from me and tipped me, and came back the next week to see me again and bought a bunch of dances from me. He became my bf and i had (and still do) lots of free sex with him. So once again, your ridiculous theory is wrong. Its no wonder you are so bitter. Women must hate you.
And men feel bad about giving women money? I understand that its an ego bust if you have to pay for attention, but men who feel this way are usually looking for more than just a fun strip club experience. They are looking to be liked, and they are delusional and deserve to be taken advantage of if they are so stupid that they think that they can go to a strip club and score with any of the girls. Men who go to strip clubs for the fun of it and understand its just play dont feel this way because they arent looking for validation.
And PS- polluting a woman's body and contributing to premature aging and cirrhosis aka buying a stripper alcoholic drinks is NOT a "nice" thing to do. I understand some strippers are alcoholics who come to work to drink and ruin it for the rest of us, but some of us actually care about our health and only agree to drinks because its a club rule that you cant turn down a drink. You are NOT doing us a favor by buying us drinks. In fact, tonight i was fighting with a guy for a half hour because he kept saying he would only dance with me if i had an alcoholic drink. I work 2-7 days a week, drinking on the job would only help to make me look 40 by the time im 26. Not cool.
UtahMike
11-07-2008, 10:13 PM
^^ I've offered to buy dancers crinks and had them ask for coffee, diet Coke, and bottled water. I'm fine with buying them what they want. It doesn't have to contain alcohol.
pinkpuff
11-08-2008, 05:26 AM
^^ I've offered to buy dancers crinks and had them ask for coffee, diet Coke, and bottled water. I'm fine with buying them what they want. It doesn't have to contain alcohol.
yeah and we love guys like that, but the guy I was talking about already bought me a bottle of water and later when I asked him for a dance said he wouldnt dance with me unless i had an alcoholic drink with him. This was after talking to him for a while too, so basically he just wasted my time. He said he would buy one dance per (alcoholic) drink. So not worth it in my opinion. His excuse was I needed to "loosen up."
Otoki
11-10-2008, 12:27 AM
yeah and we love guys like that, but the guy I was talking about already bought me a bottle of water and later when I asked him for a dance said he wouldnt dance with me unless i had an alcoholic drink with him. This was after talking to him for a while too, so basically he just wasted my time. He said he would buy one dance per (alcoholic) drink. So not worth it in my opinion. His excuse was I needed to "loosen up."
Classy. Did you get his number? I totally want to date him.
CherryBomb954
11-10-2008, 10:27 AM
yeah and we love guys like that, but the guy I was talking about already bought me a bottle of water and later when I asked him for a dance said he wouldnt dance with me unless i had an alcoholic drink with him. This was after talking to him for a while too, so basically he just wasted my time. He said he would buy one dance per (alcoholic) drink. So not worth it in my opinion. His excuse was I needed to "loosen up."
I hate that! Most of the time when I get that line I'm in a good mood and already pretty buzzed. I never get it when I'm sober and in a bad mood....?
^^ I've offered to buy dancers crinks..
I like crinks. Crinks are hella yummy :drink:
pinkpuff
11-10-2008, 03:56 PM
What is worse is when one of the other dancers eggs you on to drink
"WHAT YOURE NOT DRINKING??? WHAT ARE YOU DRINKING? HAVE A SHOT!!"
Otoki
11-11-2008, 12:01 AM
What is worse is when one of the other dancers eggs you on to drink
"WHAT YOURE NOT DRINKING??? WHAT ARE YOU DRINKING? HAVE A SHOT!!"
:rolls eyes: Seriously. Girl, just because you have to be shitfaced to do the job doesn't mean I have to. Take your alcoholic tush somewhere else and let me hustle my way. Kthxbi.
bsteve
11-11-2008, 12:44 AM
I once got a guy who, after MUCH wheedling, asked if I would be happy to sit with him for X amount of time for 100 worth of drinks. I said no, because drinks don't pay my bills, but I'd be more than happy to sit with him for 100 in cash. He said "I'm not going to pay you for sitting here/dancing". Then wtf are you willing to blow 100 on alcohol for, doucheface???
Yeah, that makes sense. When I work, I like cash better then the perks as well.
I once offered a drink ($12) to a dancer, but because the waitress was taking a long time I asked the dancer if she'd rather have the money instead of the drink. That went over like a lead ballon :( . It really made me sound like a cheap ass-ole. Never again.
Pretty_Penny
11-11-2008, 12:49 AM
What is worse is when one of the other dancers eggs you on to drink
"WHAT YOURE NOT DRINKING??? WHAT ARE YOU DRINKING? HAVE A SHOT!!"
that's really one of my biggest pet peeves.
Otoki
11-12-2008, 12:40 AM
Yeah, that makes sense. When I work, I like cash better then the perks as well.
I once offered a drink ($12) to a dancer, but because the waitress was taking a long time I asked the dancer if she'd rather have the money instead of the drink. That went over like a lead ballon :( . It really made me sound like a cheap ass-ole. Never again.
I don't see why. Did you make it clear that you were giving her the 12 as a tip for her time, or did you just say "instead of the drink"? Either way, I think she was being too touchy. I would always take the money.
davka
11-15-2008, 10:33 AM
in the club i was at this summer you would get fired for refusing a drink and there were microphones everywhere leading back to the office. maybe the girl was afraid of taking the money and getting caught?
bsteve
11-16-2008, 12:45 AM
in the club i was at this summer you would get fired for refusing a drink and there were microphones everywhere leading back to the office. maybe the girl was afraid of taking the money and getting caught?
WHAT?! Sorry for the tangent, but are most SCs bugged? Yes I understand that they may be videotaped, but if I sit at a table and I am talking with a dancer, should I assume that the conversation is being recorded?
cadenceq
11-16-2008, 02:54 AM
I've found guys who buy drinks are after the face time. I give them the value of the drink in time only.
In our club, drinks the dancers are allowed all cost $8 (customer are not allowed to know we have a select list of drinks), a ten minute dance is $50, so they get only 4 minutes of my time. If I think they want a bit more, I'll order a double-shot drink ($16) and give then 8 minutes. They're usually really disappointed, and sometimes get angry at me for "using them", but what they don't realise is that I can't afford to spend any more time on them than they paid for.
Otoki
11-16-2008, 06:32 AM
WHAT?! Sorry for the tangent, but are most SCs bugged? Yes I understand that they may be videotaped, but if I sit at a table and I am talking with a dancer, should I assume that the conversation is being recorded?
I have never worked anywhere that did this, to my knowledge. I have, however, worked at a club where the psychotic head-bouncer would listen to DR conversation through a heating vent:O>:(
I've found guys who buy drinks are after the face time. I give them the value of the drink in time only.
In our club, drinks the dancers are allowed all cost $8 (customer are not allowed to know we have a select list of drinks), a ten minute dance is $50, so they get only 4 minutes of my time. If I think they want a bit more, I'll order a double-shot drink ($16) and give then 8 minutes. They're usually really disappointed, and sometimes get angry at me for "using them", but what they don't realise is that I can't afford to spend any more time on them than they paid for.
That's a really good system. It wouldn't work at my club, but then again people frequently plan on spending money when they buy drinks at Seville. A lot of girls will sit at the bar/a table with a customer and have them buy drinks, and then get up to make money, coming back later if they have time. The customers seem to understand how it works (and I always hear then saying "Go make your money! Come back if you have time. Good luck *wink*" or something along those lines.)
Anyway, I'm going to keep that in mind if I work somewhere else.
davka
11-16-2008, 02:00 PM
WHAT?! Sorry for the tangent, but are most SCs bugged? Yes I understand that they may be videotaped, but if I sit at a table and I am talking with a dancer, should I assume that the conversation is being recorded?
honestly it was probably just something he said was happening to scare everyone. i never saw a mic.