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mediocrity
06-23-2009, 12:42 PM
"Professionalism" only means you hide your true feelings and act according to certain high standards of respect for the patient... But, the feeling are still there hiding behind the veneer of "professionalism"... If you could hear what the male OBGYNs say when they are in the "boys club" (i.e., all-men country club)...
I am tempted to say something really disgusting that will dispel that claim altogether, but I don't think it is for public viewing and a lot of people would find it disturbing.
So I guess I will stick with asking what the cost of living is in Idiotville. I hear it's pretty overpopulated.
verfolgung
06-23-2009, 01:22 PM
... If you could hear what the male OBGYNs say when they are in the "boys club" (i.e., all-men country club)...
Well "boys club" sounds right - emphasis on "boy".
I don't disagree with this statement; however, I believe it is partly attributable to playing to the audience. You get to giggle and snicker at all the risque stories, while ignoring the realities of the profression.
Are you really such a slave to your desires, that you feel the need to gawk at every attractive female who crosses your path? Jack, at some point don't you have to reach a level of sexual awareness where one can appreciate beauty without cheapening the experience with dirty juvenile thoughts? I'm sure straight male/lesbian female OBGYN doctors are not blind, and can still distinguish what they would consider an attractive patient from an unattractive patient. Yet they don't have to let it distract them or effect their level of professionalism. It's insulting to the larger group as a whole insinuate otherwise. Are there some who might think the way you do? Sure, but I would argue that it is not the majority or the general rule.
Perhaps you're too immature to understand this, which may be why you chose to become a lawyer instead of a doctor. Heh. ;)
vmurphy252
06-23-2009, 02:06 PM
I am tempted to say something really disgusting that will dispel that claim altogether, but I don't think it is for public viewing and a lot of people would find it disturbing.
I wanna know what you were going to say...
mediocrity
06-23-2009, 02:08 PM
you are right on point, verfolgung. I always appreciate your posts. You are eloquent without being wordy. I dig it.
Earl_the_Pearl
06-23-2009, 02:26 PM
Earl - covering up isn't it. Like I said, it takes a trained eye. Sometimes they're covered up, sometimes dressed up for a nice dinner. There's a particular... Style, and a way of presenting oneself, that if you know what you're looking for, you can spot. It's subtle. You'd need to spend a LOT of time with dancers off work in different environments to get it. You're quotes form those other boards are both disturbing and irrelevant; one can always find that kind of attention if one wants it. Most of the girls on this board wouldn't be caught dead on those places. It's images like that that create the stigma that is the focus of this discussion, and that's sad.
I got it; only Las Vegas show girls are relevant to the dancing community. I can play the spot the elite female with the best of them. Back in the day there was a Playboy club not far from me. I could spot an off duty Bunny in local bars. They had poise and grace; they always looked as if they were posing as they sat. Their entire persona had a grace and elegance about it. How do you spot your strippers?
I do spend time with dancers when they are not working. You and your ilk would look down on them as being beneath your class but they are dancers just the same. We all don’t live in your rarefied world.
I posted the comments from the other board as a reply about the kind of clubs I frequent. The private dances create the stigma not I; who knows what goes on behind closed doors. That is why Newark New Jersey forbids private dancing.
jack0177057
06-23-2009, 03:50 PM
No you weren't. You were being completely serious til someone called you out.
You take me too seriously.
There is nothing attractive, erotic, sexual, or arousing in being an OBGYN, even if it's the most gorgeous woman standing in a paper gown in front of you. They are health professionals. They are there to care for their patients, not get a hard on for them like a 12yr old boy (which I'm beginning to believe that you are). The fact that you think this, and justify it by saying the above sentences only proves that you are in fact a moron.
I don't care if the guy is a doctor, priest, rabbi, teacher, or zoo-keeper... He might be a well-behaved "professional", but that doesn't mean he doesn't enjoy watching a sexy lady strip naked. Sexuality is biological, for Christ's sake... I'm not suggesting all OB/GYNs are perverts (that part was a joke)... but, they do not renounce their human sexuality.
Reverse the scenario... Could a lonely middle-aged woman enjoy being examined by a sexy young male doctor... Probably...
We're people... sexual feelings are not disgusting nor shameful... As long as we behave "professionally", who cares that the middle-aged woman goes home to masturbate fantasizing about her young doctor, or vice-versa...
Here is a better argument you could have made: The novelty of watching women naked probably wears off after a week and 100 patients... The newly- minted OB/GYN might be impressed with the first 10 sexy women that disrobe in front of him, but he becomes completely indifferent around the 15th.
It's like watching sexy Spanish women with their boobs exposed in the beaches in Spain... I've heard from my relatives there that the novelty wears off after a while and it becomes rather mundane to witness hundreds of bouncing boobs on the beach...
jack0177057
06-23-2009, 04:00 PM
I am tempted to say something really disgusting that will dispel that claim altogether, but I don't think it is for public viewing and a lot of people would find it disturbing.
So I guess I will stick with asking what the cost of living is in Idiotville. I hear it's pretty overpopulated.
You're right, being an OB/GYN is probably the worst thing a man can do for his male virility... I'd rather retain my romanticized view of vaginas.
Cost of living in Idiotville is not too bad. It's nice here. The weather is perfect. I'll send you a postcard.
commanderadama
06-23-2009, 04:03 PM
Commander - I don't give a good Goddamn if you believe me or not, lol. I certainly didn't make it up! I also never said Princeton agreed to give me that deal; I said the program was to span 4 schools in 4 years and END at Princeton. And yes, I was... The equivalent of a HS prodigy I guess you could say, lol. Actually I dropped out my sophomore year out of boredom and pursued what education i required on my own whilst entering the world of work. A 3rd party who thought I was wasting my talent set up an interview, and at the end of that 3 1/2 hours (which was supposed to be 30-60 minutes) he said what he said. And string theory misses me more than you - or they - know, LMAO. That wouldn't have been my focus however. ANyway, as I said before I really don't care if you believe me or not, you're not high on any "need to impress" list, lol.
Thank you, you've given my colleagues at the lab a very good belly laugh. I suppose your real name is Will Hunting? :rotfl:
JayATee
06-23-2009, 04:10 PM
He might be a well-behaved "professional", but that doesn't mean he doesn't enjoy watching a sexy lady strip naked.
Therein lies the problem with your thinking. She's not stripping for you. She's a patient seeing a dr.
Here is a better argument you could have made:
There's nothing wrong with the argument I made dear, you're just a pervert who is incapable of controlling his thoughts (and dick) and can't understand how anyone else can do an "adult" job since you obviously have the mind of a 12yr old.
Do you get hard ons for your attractive clients as well? That must get you a lot of business.
Elvia
06-23-2009, 04:21 PM
Reverse the scenario... Could a lonely middle-aged woman enjoy being examined by a sexy young male doctor... Probably...
You really don't know much about women if you think the OBGYN office equals a sexy experience for us ::)
jack0177057
06-23-2009, 04:22 PM
Therein lies the problem with your thinking. She's not stripping for you. She's a patient seeing a dr.
And he's providing her medical services and behaving in a completely "professional" manner... So what if he recalls her in his memory later that night when he is alone in the shower?... How is she hurt by this?... Or how is he hurt, if she's the one fantasizing about him?
Are you really in denial over the fact that your male OB/GYN has a penis and may occasionally fantasize about his patients?... I fantasize about some of my clients and they never even take their tops off... That doesn't stop me from giving them very competent and professional legal service... and they keep coming back for more.
verfolgung
06-23-2009, 04:36 PM
... Here is a better argument you could have made: The novelty of watching women naked probably wears off after a week and 100 patients... The newly- minted OB/GYN might be impressed with the first 10 sexy women that disrobe in front of him, but he becomes completely indifferent around the 15th. ...
Why would they feel the need to repeat an argument that was already made? [Post #530]
That isn't the way presence in relationship to desire usually works.
Ever work in a candy factory? Let me tell you the last thing you want at the end of the day after working in one is a piece of candy. Unless it was a particularly fantastic piece of candy. ...
BTW - It appears you do not need us, so if you're just going to post arguments with yourself can you keep it private like the other things you do with yourself? :D
JayATee
06-23-2009, 04:40 PM
And he's providing her medical services and behaving in a completely "professional" manner... So what if he recalls her in his memory later that night when he is alone in the shower?... How is she hurt by this?... Or how is he hurt, if she's the one fantasizing about him?
Are you really in denial over the fact that your male OB/GYN has a penis and may occasionally fantasize about his patients?... I fantasize about some of my clients and they never even take their tops off... That doesn't stop me from giving them very competent and professional legal service... and they keep coming back for more.
Who said anything about anyone being hurt? You're an idiot. (How many times am I going to say this?) I'm done now. Your arguments are absurd. You're not even worth the time anymore. Go find someone else to annoy.
Elvia
06-23-2009, 04:44 PM
...Sometimes I find myself wondering if the a good chunk of the guys here are 13 year old boys.
DEE_K
06-23-2009, 04:50 PM
^Sadly, probably not.
I meet people at least this stupid at work too, and you have to be 19+ to get in.
bem401
06-23-2009, 05:04 PM
I don't care if the guy is a doctor, priest, rabbi, teacher, or zoo-keeper... He might be a well-behaved "professional", but that doesn't mean he doesn't enjoy watching a sexy lady strip naked.
We're people... sexual feelings are not disgusting nor shameful... As long as we behave "professionally", who cares that the middle-aged woman goes home to masturbate fantasizing about her young doctor, or vice-versa...
As a high school teacher, Jack, I can say you just don't view your students in that light and if it takes a great deal of effort to avoiding seeing them in that light, you're probably better off in another job. I would imagine doctors think no differently.
jack0177057
06-23-2009, 05:06 PM
You guys need to lighten up... You take yourselves too damn seriously...
Elvia
06-23-2009, 05:08 PM
^^^ No. We just find you annoying.
verfolgung
06-23-2009, 05:09 PM
How did we get to this point? /:O
Nobody took the bait a' la' the OBGYN/Plastic Surgeon comparison. Too bad. ...
I didn't take the bate because its not the same (there is no sexual arousal involved in providing health care services)... nor are there sex services being offered in this scenario...
But, I'll tell you what: No GF or wife would approve of me being an OBGYN... I love pussy WAY TOO MUCH to remain neutral if a hotty comes in to be examined... I've got a super-high sex drive and would have a hard-on most of the time,... at least with all my attractive patients.
Plus, any GF or wife would suspect that the only reason I became a OBGYN was to see pussy all day... and that would probably be true...
I bet most OBGYNs are perverts. Urologists are even more scary... who the hell picks a profession that requires them to look at assholes (literally) all day.
Have have to chuckle at this line of thought.
You've stated your position that a LTR with a dancer would not be acceptable.
You then disgarded Almost Jaded's argument that a relationship with an OBGYN would have the potential to be just as tenuous. Yet you then go on to vehemently argue that OBGYN's must be pervs and regularly have sexual fantasies about their patients.
Meanwhile, as I'm sure most of us would agree, most dancers leave work without having so much as a second thought regarding their custies.
Yet it's the dancers who are not suitable for LTRs? Huh. ::)
JayATee
06-23-2009, 05:12 PM
How did we get to this point? /:O
Have have to chuckle at this line of thought.
You've stated your position that a LTR with a dancer would not be acceptable.
You then disgarded Almost Jaded's argument that a relationship with an OBGYN would have the potential to be just as tenuous. Yet you then go on to vehemently argue that OBGYN's must be pervs and regularly have sexual fantasies about their patients.
Meanwhile, as I'm sure most of us would agree, most dancers leave work without having so much as a second thought regarding their custies.
Yet it's the dancers who are not suitable for LTRs? Huh. ::)
I don't think I'm alone when I say that I'm honestly so appreciative of your presence here.
Elvia
06-23-2009, 05:17 PM
^^^ +1
commanderadama
06-23-2009, 05:22 PM
...Sometimes I find myself wondering if the a good chunk of the guys here are 13 year old boys.
I find that the great majority of the population acts adolescent. 8)
jack0177057
06-23-2009, 05:31 PM
How did we get to this point? /:O
Have have to chuckle at this line of thought.
You've stated your position that a LTR with a dancer would not be acceptable.
You then disgarded Almost Jaded's argument that a relationship with an OBGYN would have the potential to be just as tenuous. Yet you then go on to vehemently argue that OBGYN's must be pervs and regularly have sexual fantasies about their patients.
Meanwhile, as I'm sure most of us would agree, most dancers leave work without having so much as a second thought regarding their custies.
Yet it's the dancers who are not suitable for LTRs? Huh. ::)
I never said that a LTR with a dancer was unacceptable... In fact, I told JayATee that she's the kind of dancer I would have a LTR with, because she has a transition plan... and most dancers on this site do...
I don't care how many LD they've given in the past, or to whom, but... at some point when the relationship gets real serious (i.e., engagement), I want to be the only guy getting LDs from my SO... Anyway, getting to this stage takes a while, its not like its going to happen on the third date... If you disagree with this and prefer to share... that's your lifestyle... It's different from mine...
jack0177057
06-23-2009, 05:34 PM
I don't think I'm alone when I say that I'm honestly so appreciative of your presence here.
Nicely done, verfolgung...
Earl_the_Pearl
06-23-2009, 05:43 PM
BTW - It appears you do not need us,
How are you an 'us"? I want them, I need them but there is no way I'm ever going to love them.
verfolgung
06-23-2009, 05:57 PM
You're just a pathetic instigator... I'm not sure what you're motivations are for attacking me... But, they are sad, nontheless... Get a life dude...
:rotfl: Oh, the irony!
Earl_the_Pearl
06-23-2009, 06:01 PM
... I'm not sure what you're motivations are for attacking me...
I don't think I'm alone when I say that I'm honestly so appreciative of your presence here.
I didn't think the "White Knight" hustle worked.
Cyril
06-23-2009, 06:10 PM
It depends on why you're lying. You would be lying because of how "detrimental" it would be to your imaginary social standing and reputation. That is not why dancers lie about their profession. I have no problem being a stripper at all. So that means you're completely wrong in your assessment (shocker).
I doubt he's going anywhere truthfully...
You are assuming that I am only concerned about my imaginary social standing and reputation. You are not considering the fact that I could loose my job if my boss starts to loose faith in me. And, that will certainly happen if my image is ruined, at least in his eyes.
So, why do dancers lie about their profession if it is not to protect their reputation and social standing?
Cyril
06-23-2009, 06:13 PM
At the risk of getting mauled, I must say Jack is fairly reasonable in his arguments unless I missed something.
(I also like JayATee. She has been fairly kind lately.)
jack0177057
06-23-2009, 06:19 PM
:rotfl: Oh, the irony!
I'm on this forum because I am at work, sitting in my office and reviewing dry and voluminous legal documents... and I need some comic relief... I do not spend my "free" time on this forum...
verfolgung
06-23-2009, 06:22 PM
... So, why do dancers lie about their profession if it is not to protect their reputation and social standing?
How about when a dancer encounters a complete stranger outside of work, who has no bearing on her "reputation" or "social standing", but chooses to lie about her occupation in order to avoid the hassles that may come from males who think her job is somehow an excuse to take liberties, or females who might be compelled to cause unnecessary drama.
jack0177057
06-23-2009, 06:29 PM
Okay, I've offended many people with a stupid joke about OB/GYNs.
I've researched this some and there is relatively few incidents involving OB/GYN impropriety.
I retract what I said about OB/GYNs.
verfolgung
06-23-2009, 06:30 PM
You're just a pathetic instigator... I'm not sure what you're motivations are for attacking me... But, they are sad, nontheless... Get a life dude...
:rotfl: Oh, the irony!
I'm on this forum because I am at work, sitting in my office and reviewing dry and voluminous legal documents... and I need some comic relief... I do not spend my "free" time on this forum...
Last edited by charlie61; Today at 09:25 PM.. Reason: Edited for pointless use of inflammatory language
LOL - The mod got it before I could say that you were doing a good job of making my point. Heh. ;)
Cyril
06-23-2009, 06:35 PM
I'm on this forum because I am at work, sitting in my office and reviewing dry and voluminous legal documents... and I need some comic relief... I do not spend my "free" time on this forum...
You are a brave man. I would be scared to death visiting this site from my work.
Cyril
06-23-2009, 06:37 PM
How about when a dancer encounters a complete stranger outside of work, who has no bearing on her "reputation" or "social standing", but chooses to lie about her occupation in order to avoid the hassles that may come from males who think her job is somehow an excuse to take liberties, or females who might be compelled to cause unnecessary drama.
Although, a lie is never honorable but the reason there certainly is an understandable one.
Earl_the_Pearl
06-23-2009, 06:48 PM
LOL - The mod got it ...
Fascinating.
JayATee
06-23-2009, 07:05 PM
You are assuming that I am only concerned about my imaginary social standing and reputation. You are not considering the fact that I could loose my job if my boss starts to loose faith in me. And, that will certainly happen if my image is ruined, at least in his eyes.
So, why do dancers lie about their profession if it is not to protect their reputation and social standing?
Would you suddenly stop performing at work because you were dating a stripper? I mean, let's be realistic here. Why would your boss suddenly lose faith in you exactly? How is it image ruining to be dating a beautiful, strong, independant woman? Explain this to me please. I'm quite curious.
Again, I have no problem being a dancer. I have no problem with people knowing I dance. I see no reason to shout it from the roof tops though because quite frankly Im not interested in people's opinions on the subject due to the fact that I just don't give a shit. Love it or hate it, it's not my problem what you think about my job. And this is where growing a set of balls would come in handy for you. Who cares what people think?
(I also like JayATee. She has been fairly kind lately.)
Damn, Im gonna have to try harder. ;)
commanderadama
06-23-2009, 07:13 PM
Nicely done, verfolgung...
Jack has a woman ever sighed loudly and exclaimed "you're exhausting"?
mediocrity
06-23-2009, 07:52 PM
I wanna know what you were going to say...
You really, really don't. And if you do, PM me.
mediocrity
06-23-2009, 07:54 PM
You're right, being an OB/GYN is probably the worst thing a man can do for his male virility... I'd rather retain my romanticized view of vaginas.
Cost of living in Idiotville is not too bad. It's nice here. The weather is perfect. I'll send you a postcard.
I used to like you Jack. Until you turned into a fucking ass hat.
JayATee
06-23-2009, 08:02 PM
You really, really don't. And if you do, PM me.
Im considering it. ;)
JayATee
06-23-2009, 08:04 PM
Although, a lie is never honorable but the reason there certainly is an understandable one.
Oh bull. Sometimes theres no reason to tell certain people the truth, especially if it's something that will cause me unnecessary grief, or cause them unnecessary pain.
vmurphy252
06-23-2009, 08:06 PM
^For entertainment's sake? ;)
xdamage
06-23-2009, 08:18 PM
I guess if you are running for public office or in a career where everyone's nose is in everyone's business, who you are seeing matters... but otherwise, honestly, most people don't give a shit. And if they do talk, so what? blah blah blah ... and within a few days it is old news, and their attention is side tracked on to some other hot bit of news of the moment. It is a just a big boogey man because really, people's interest in scandal barely last a day, maybe a week before they are bored and move on.
OTOH i can see how stripping could be an issue on a personal level. For some sexual exclusivity is highly valued, while for others it is irrelevant, or neutral. That however is not a matter for anyone to choose but themselves. After all, it is perfectly valid to decide that someone would not be a good match over matters like major differences in religious outlook, dramatic differences in life views, one or the other having significant sexual desires the other cannot provide, jobs that the other finds truly heinous (e.g, perhaps selling weapons strikes a significant nerve in the other). Just part of life. We can't all be perfect matches for everyone else. Hell that would be boring even ;)
Almost Jaded
06-23-2009, 09:51 PM
I'm finally losing interest in this thread.
Commander - I can't tell you how glad I am that you and those associated with you don't take my statements seriously. In fact, the more you laugh and distance yourself from my situation, the better. It's like the fact that I race the car I do; nobody takes it seriously because of the brand. Then they get all curious when I whoop their ass at the track, LMAO. On the street (here's where the analogy gets to your little cadre), I don't bother trying to impress the Honda fanbois in their Fast and Furious mobiles, no matter how fast they may or may not be or how much trash they talk. I'm sorry you spent years and years working your ass off for a degree, and I congratulate you in your success. I had a fast track offered to me by people who felt I had a lot to offer. I certainly didn't make it all up, lol. :shrug:
Since the OBGYN bit is getting some play now, I meant to stress specifically the points that a couple of others made above; namely that dancing is a JOB, just like the others mentioned, and that PROFESSIONALISM WORKS IN BOTH CAREERS. If you wouldn't expect your SO to take issue with your being an OBGYN or a breast enhancement surgeon, and you trust that she doesn't associate with Earl (sorry - couldn't resist), then there's either no problem or there;s a degree of hypocrisy involved.
jack0177057
06-24-2009, 08:04 AM
I'm finally losing interest in this thread.
Me, too... The OP was trying to get a realistic assessment of her romantic prospects as a dancer... It is impossible to be candid about this matter, however, without getting insulted by someone...
There is really no point in continuing this thread, other than to exchange insults...
jack0177057
06-24-2009, 08:06 AM
Thank you, you've given my colleagues at the lab a very good belly laugh. I suppose your real name is Will Hunting? :rotfl:
I have a really difficult time believing you have any "colleagues", except for a lab monkey and a few lab rats... :rotfl:
commanderadama
06-24-2009, 11:04 AM
I can't tell you how glad I am that you and those associated with you don't take my statements seriously...
Dude like I said before, your story just isn't realistic. You are no John Nash and since he didn't get the deal you write of, I'm 99.99999999999% sure it didn't happen. It's like you saw Good Will Hunting & A Beautiful Mind and put them together to make your internet life story. 8)
Cyril
06-24-2009, 06:26 PM
Would you suddenly stop performing at work because you were dating a stripper? I mean, let's be realistic here. Why would your boss suddenly lose faith in you exactly? How is it image ruining to be dating a beautiful, strong, independant woman? Explain this to me please. I'm quite curious.
Again, I have no problem being a dancer. I have no problem with people knowing I dance. I see no reason to shout it from the roof tops though because quite frankly Im not interested in people's opinions on the subject due to the fact that I just don't give a shit. Love it or hate it, it's not my problem what you think about my job. And this is where growing a set of balls would come in handy for you. Who cares what people think?
Damn, Im gonna have to try harder. ;)
Your arguments are intellectually sound in a sense, that is how a rational person would approach this issue. But people are biased and, your career and promotion is often at the mercy of these biased people. These people will overlook your stellar work performance if they do not approve of your personal life. They are good at twisting facts to deny you what is rightfully yours. You have to experience these kinds of bigotry to understand what I am talking about. This is where experience comes into play. You may be smarter than I am but I have lived on this planet at least 10 years longer than you have. This experience makes me recognize that things are not black and white. Life is complex. This also cautions me against judging others too quickly.
You can hardly call a guy who is afraid of loosing his job over a fling with a stripper a wimp. Also, he is not a hypocrite. He does not lack balls either; it is simply that he is in a tough spot. I would call him a practical man.
Rest of your post is fairly reasonable.
Cyril
06-24-2009, 06:28 PM
Oh bull. Sometimes theres no reason to tell certain people the truth, especially if it's something that will cause me unnecessary grief, or cause them unnecessary pain.
Good point.
So, why can't you extend the same courtesy to a guy who wants to keep his relationship with a stripper secret?
[Edited as per astutely pointed out by Earl.]