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JayATee
05-29-2009, 01:34 AM
As a casual girlfriend I guess it would be OK. But if you wanted to meet my mom, well. You just have to imagine what mom would say. I guess the answer is fairly obvious.
I hope that answers this question.
Is she dating you or your mother?
Well... I guess that answers it.
Otoki
05-29-2009, 10:26 AM
My mommy can like it or lump it.
Seriously. And while my situation is a bit different, since we were dating a year before I became a dancer, when I told my guy's mom that I was a dancer she wasn't happy about it, but wasn't judgmental either. She just told me to be safe. I haven't told his father because he probably wouldn't take it well, but if I proposed to my guy I would tell his father and expect him to get over it. He's thought I was awesome thus far. I don't become a different person as soon as he finds out I'm a dancer.
Everyman
06-02-2009, 07:07 AM
I haven't sifted through all the pages of this thread. But isn't the simple answer, for most, short-term turn on (sex), long-term turn off (relationship)?
Earl_the_Pearl
06-02-2009, 12:03 PM
I haven't sifted through all the pages of this thread. But isn't the simple answer, for most, short-term turn on (sex), long-term turn off (relationship)?
In a http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:FCVIzvI_IsiNHM:http://www.leadershipturn.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/nutshell.jpg
Almost Jaded
06-03-2009, 01:11 PM
So long as the "for most" qualifier is used, I suppose that that - unfortunately - sums it up.
Everyman
06-03-2009, 08:17 PM
So long as the "for most" qualifier is used, I suppose that that - unfortunately - sums it up.
Unfortunately?
Earl_the_Pearl
06-03-2009, 10:48 PM
Unfortunately?
Huh? If that be's the way it be's why is that "unfortunate"? That is the way g-d want's it.
Almost Jaded
06-03-2009, 10:59 PM
I think it's unfortunate that "most" - quotes 'cuz it's a quote - men/people feel that way about girls in the biz. :shrug:
Earl_the_Pearl
06-03-2009, 11:26 PM
I think it's unfortunate that "most" - quotes 'cuz it's a quote - men/people feel that way about girls in the biz. :shrug:
Not I. All women use what g-d gave them to do what they have to do. I don't subscribe to the Madonna/whore of the popular ignorance.
Everyman
06-04-2009, 10:47 AM
Lemme explain just a little. I don't think it's FORTUNATE, I just don't think it's unfortunate either. It just is.
If most people don't want those in the sex industry as long-term partners, that's no more remarkable than the fact the sky is blue and water is wet. Just the way it is.
To think it's unfortunate is naïve; to think it's fortunate is mean. I think of myself as neither naïve nor mean.
Golden_Rule
06-04-2009, 06:50 PM
Lemme explain just a little. I don't think it's FORTUNATE, I just don't think it's unfortunate either. It just is.
If most people don't want those in the sex industry as long-term partners, that's no more remarkable than the fact the sky is blue and water is wet. Just the way it is.
To think it's unfortunate is naïve; to think it's fortunate is mean. I think of myself as neither naïve nor mean.
True enough.
A lot of women wouldn't think twice about having a tryst with a cop [in fact there are women who "collect" cops just like some men "collect" dancers - both are sort of silly if you ask me], but scores of women who'd f*** one wouldn't want to marry one. Just is as it is.
lopaw
06-04-2009, 06:59 PM
Dancer = major turn on.
Cop = major turn off.
Golden_Rule
06-04-2009, 08:02 PM
Cop = major turn off.
See. Told ya. :)
lopaw
06-04-2009, 09:16 PM
But......if she was a cop who also danced....or a dancer who was a reserve cop......
Damn.
So torn.
Golden_Rule
06-04-2009, 09:28 PM
But......if she was a cop who also danced....or a dancer who was a reserve cop......
Damn.
So torn.
Only cop I knew who was a stripper was male. He got fire for it when it was found out though [not that stripping was his only issue with the department at the time].
Heard of a female NYC officer who was a Playboy model [she got fired too... sued, never heard how that worked out]. Never one who danced though. :)
I know a female EMT who was a former dancer... does that do anything for you? }:D ;)
lopaw
06-04-2009, 09:59 PM
I know a female EMT who was a former dancer... does that do anything for you? }:D ;)
More than you could possibly know. :shy:
I already have a nurse fetish kinda thing going on.....she would fall along those lines somewhat.
Wrap 'er up!
I'll take 'er to go!
Golden_Rule
06-04-2009, 11:51 PM
More than you could possibly know. :shy:
I already have a nurse fetish kinda thing going on.....she would fall along those lines somewhat.
Wrap 'er up!
I'll take 'er to go!
Ok... how do you feel about fiery Dominicans, because that is what you'd be taking on? :)
[BTW, I have a nurse thing too... dated more then my fair share, but that hardly makes me unusual since cops and nurses go together like hands and gloves. :) ]
lopaw
06-05-2009, 09:47 PM
Ok... how do you feel about fiery Dominicans, because that is what you'd be taking on? :)
She sounds quite intriguing.
Just how fiery is she? Not the "piss-me-off-and-I'll-kill-you-in-your-sleep" kind of fiery, I hope?
I once had a fiery latina ATF with a VERY bad temper who would occasionally chase me around the club, threatening me with her pointy stripper shoe. Damn scary shoe, too. Don't know if I wanna go through THAT again. But if she's no longer dancing, I guess I'd be safe.
Put me in coach! ;D
dreamer1980
06-06-2009, 02:27 AM
She sounds quite intriguing.
Just how fiery is she? Not the "piss-me-off-and-I'll-kill-you-in-your-sleep" kind of fiery, I hope?
I once had a fiery latina ATF with a VERY bad temper who would occasionally chase me around the club, threatening me with her pointy stripper shoe. Damn scary shoe, too. Don't know if I wanna go through THAT again. But if she's no longer dancing, I guess I'd be safe.
:rotfl:
i wish i could have been there to see that! at least she didnt throw the shoe at you. latin women are well known for their precision when chucking shoes at running targets. i speak from experience :-\, lol.
Golden_Rule
06-06-2009, 08:30 AM
She sounds quite intriguing.
Just how fiery is she? Not the "piss-me-off-and-I'll-kill-you-in-your-sleep" kind of fiery, I hope?
Well I don't know her well enough to have explored the nature of her relationships with her. She was a former co-worker who worked for the same city as me, but she decidedly has what one might call a "Latina" temperament. [no knock meant, I promise] BTW, she is decidedly gay and I am presuming [and pardon me for doing so] that the pink ribbon in the lower left corner of your posts means this wouldn't be a mismatch?
Golden_Rule
06-06-2009, 08:31 AM
:rotfl:
i wish i could have been there to see that! at least she didnt throw the shoe at you. latin women are well known for their precision when chucking shoes at running targets. i speak from experience :-\, lol.
Me too. My first wife is Cuban. :)
lopaw
06-06-2009, 06:33 PM
Whew! From the sounds of it I was pretty lucky she never hurled a stiletto at me. I would never want to test the "precision" factor - I just know that I would come out on the bad end of things. Or the pointy end, in this case.
And yes, Golden_Rule....your assessment is quite correct. I love that you are so PC in how you phrased your question!
commanderadama
06-07-2009, 10:36 AM
As a casual girlfriend I guess it would be OK. But if you wanted to meet my mom, well. You just have to imagine what mom would say. I guess the answer is fairly obvious.
I hope that answers this question.
All depends on what social class you belong too. I would suppose most dancers would date working class types, I don't know many from this class but I read in a book that people in this class base love and acceptance on whether the person is liked. As people from this class are primarily concerned with survival. So I think a working class man wouldn't mind a LTR with a stripper, simply from the income it would provide.
Someone from the upper classes would probably feel as you would, as those classes care what will the "neighbors think". :(
This interaction between the classes has fascinated me since I read "City of Women" by C. Stansell in college. There has been a long history of men in the upper classes engaging in short term relationships with young lower class women for sexual activities.
Almost Jaded
06-07-2009, 02:58 PM
There aren't even words...
JayATee
06-07-2009, 04:08 PM
There aren't even words...
LoL I echo this sentiment... however, I firmly believe he's a troll so Im not bothering to respond. :)
commanderadama
06-07-2009, 07:53 PM
^^^
It is not my aim to be a "troll", although I do see how some of my posts may evoke emotional responses.
I know it's taboo to bring up "class" in the states in our imaginary "classless" society, but it is the 800lb Gorilla in the room, with so many topics, but especially when it comes to dating a "dancer".
Almost Jaded
06-07-2009, 11:24 PM
It's only an 800 lb gorilla if you're living a life such that you're aware of it - which means you're either a trust fund baby in a frighteningly insulated family, or work for one. I've lived with a foot on both sides, and really - there are many, many much, much bigger gorillas in society, lol.
As for it being more so when it comes to dating a dancer - that's just funny. Unless you've been dating Anna Nicole I suppose... :rolleyes:
Earl_the_Pearl
06-08-2009, 12:01 AM
LoL I echo this sentiment... however, I firmly believe he's a troll so Im not bothering to respond. :)
You just did.
Now are the Kennedys considered upper class as they are Catholic and Irish?
JayATee
06-08-2009, 12:02 AM
You just did.
No actually, I didn't. Cute tho!
vmurphy252
06-08-2009, 06:06 AM
^You did that time though... bad girl!
commanderadama
06-08-2009, 09:58 AM
It's only an 800 lb gorilla if you're living a life such that you're aware of it - which means you're either a trust fund baby in a frighteningly insulated family, or work for one. I've lived with a foot on both sides, and really - there are many, many much, much bigger gorillas in society, lol.
As for it being more so when it comes to dating a dancer - that's just funny. Unless you've been dating Anna Nicole I suppose... :rolleyes:
Anna Nicole is definitely lower class and a perfect example of Well healed old men going after lower class young women. What was strange in her experience is that he married her (which is the exception, not the rule). At most a person can handle moving one rung up on the class ladder in their life, she moved up three rungs, she predictability couldn't handle it and self destructed.
BTW, money and income do not have a lot to do with what class you're in. In regards to money, attitude towards it has a much bigger influence. For lower class people money is spent. Middle Class people manage it (budgeting) and Upper Class people conserve and invest it (capital).
Anyway, the core issue in relation to the OPs query, is which class of people would consider someone working as a stripper marriageable. I submit that lower class people in general would while middle and upper class people in general would not.
Earl_the_Pearl
06-08-2009, 11:44 AM
Anyway, the core issue in relation to the OPs query, is which class of people would consider someone working as a stripper marriageable. I submit that lower class people in general would while middle and upper class people in general would not.
What about our class; those that will never again sign the papers?
Perry
06-08-2009, 11:48 AM
You would never be able to acurately gauge my "class" because I don't talk about money with anyone I'm not living with. Finances, religion and politics are off limits in most of my conversations. I'm not fond of fighting with my friends.
Let me throw this out there. My dad was a technical engineer for Ford. He made over 6 figures, and liked to save money. He wore goofy dragon T-shirts, drove an old mustang, prefered McDonalds hamburgers over nice resturants and was just a big dork in general. If you met him at a party, you wouldn't think he was a white collar guy. My hubby is also an engineer, and shares a few of those traits - dressing casual, doesn't own high tech gagets or flashy cars, ect.
So unless you can peek into someone's checkbook, or pry at a personal subject, you'll really never know. Just enjoy the company of nice people.
Earl_the_Pearl
06-08-2009, 11:53 AM
No one is going to mention the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Class is about race more then money. Very rich people can not join country clubs if they are not WASPs.
jack0177057
06-08-2009, 11:57 AM
Anyway, the core issue in relation to the OPs query, is which class of people would consider someone working as a stripper marriageable. I submit that lower class people in general would while middle and upper class people in general would not.
Commanderadama doesn't know what he's talking about... He's constructed a fantasy about his social status and position in the world and anyone who has ever associated with the “upper class” can see through his bullshit.
Socio/economic class has LITTLE to do with whether a man would date a dancer, at least in the U.S....
First of all, define "upper class" in the U.S. - there is really no universal set of attributes other than money and power. I studied in Europe for a year (Teddy Hall, Oxford University, England) and in Europe, “class” is determined by family pedigree, coat of arms and the titles of nobility that run through your family. The European upper classes ARE restricted in their personal choices and freedoms by centuries of family tradition, history, exclusivity and service (military and political) to their country. The only thing even remotely close to that in the U.S. are rich and powerful political dynasties, because they have to maintain an air of respectability and public service.
In the U.S., just about all "upper class" people originate from European peasant stock, and they run the full gamut, from the uber-conservative WASPs, to somewhat liberal Catholics, to liberal Jews, to extremely liberal agnostics and atheists. Families whose wealth comes from corporate businesses tend to be more conservative, while the “Hollywood” media and entertainment mogul types are the most liberal.
Trust fund babies are a wild card. Many of them party extensively and get caught up in drugs. They don’t visit SC, but only because there is plenty of gratuitous stripping, nudity and sex in their private parties, plus copious amounts of recreational drugs. I could see a trust fund baby falling for a dancer, but it is unlikely to happen,... only because he doesn’t go to SCs and he generally only parties with other trust-fund babies. But, if by chance, they did meet and “fell in love”, they would be perfectly suited for each other, because she would fit perfectly into his subversive “fuck you mom & dad” lifestyle.
Similarly, the “working class” also run the full gamut from the uber-conservative Christian groups (Christian fundamentalists, Catholics, Baptists, etc.) to the anarchist criminal elements. As a whole, though, I would say that the working class is generally more conservative and religious than the “upper class”.
commanderadama
06-08-2009, 05:06 PM
Commanderadama doesn't know what he's talking about... He's constructed a fantasy about his social status and position in the world and anyone who has ever associated with the “upper class” can see through his bullshit.
LOL, I haven't talked about my status at all. I'm putting out the fact that a mans station in life often dictates his choice of a mate.
Socio/economic class has LITTLE to do with whether a man would date a dancer, at least in the U.S....
This is your opinion and We'll have to agree to disagree.
First of all, define "upper class" in the U.S. - there is really no universal set of attributes other than money and power. I studied in Europe for a year (Teddy Hall, Oxford University, England) and in Europe, “class” is determined by family pedigree, coat of arms and the titles of nobility that run through your family. The European upper classes ARE restricted in their personal choices and freedoms by centuries of family tradition, history, exclusivity and service (military and political) to their country. The only thing even remotely close to that in the U.S. are rich and powerful political dynasties, because they have to maintain an air of respectability and public service.
There are several documentaries and books that refute you, I'll trust people with PhD's and real life experience over someone who "Studied in Europe" for a year. }:D
In the U.S., just about all "upper class" people originate from European peasant stock, and they run the full gamut, from the uber-conservative WASPs, to somewhat liberal Catholics, to liberal Jews, to extremely liberal agnostics and atheists. Families whose wealth comes from corporate businesses tend to be more conservative, while the “Hollywood” media and entertainment mogul types are the most liberal.
Again, the literature on this subject refutes you. See Class by Paul Fussell
Trust fund babies are a wild card. Many of them party extensively and get caught up in drugs. They don’t visit SC, but only because there is plenty of gratuitous stripping, nudity and sex in their private parties, plus copious amounts of recreational drugs. I could see a trust fund baby falling for a dancer, but it is unlikely to happen,... only because he doesn’t go to SCs and he generally only parties with other trust-fund babies. But, if by chance, they did meet and “fell in love”, they would be perfectly suited for each other, because she would fit perfectly into his subversive “fuck you mom & dad” lifestyle.
I've known several "trust fund babies" and most are nothing like the fame seeking types. For Pete's sake Jack, Paris Hilton isn't a typical example and even she changed her ways when gramps told her to shape up or the money would be cut off. And again your ideas are refuted by the available testimonies of trust fund babies in a documentary called Born Rich by Jamie Johnson. A recent Frontline also destroys your hypothesis, Check out the Madoff Affair. He shows just how stupid our so called "elites" really are. I'd like to Hi Five good 'ol Bernie. LOL
Similarly, the “working class” also run the full gamut from the uber-conservative Christian groups (Christian fundamentalists, Catholics, Baptists, etc.) to the anarchist criminal elements. As a whole, though, I would say that the working class is generally more conservative and religious than the “upper class”.
Here we can agree. The working class are a fractured lot, but I think this is on purpose. Need to keep them fighting amongst themselves, otherwise they might challenge their masters. 8)
commanderadama
06-08-2009, 05:23 PM
No one is going to mention the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Class is about race more then money. Very rich people can not join country clubs if they are not WASPs.
Very good point Earl. This is especially true in the South, which is why the furthest South I go is PA. The Genarlow Wilson put this rule in stone for me.
But from what I've read, watched and experienced, class has mostly to do with what you do in your free time and how much free time you have, it's about lifestyle and income or assets. In Paul's Book he ID's me as being in Class X. It's a good read and I basically believed every word of it. 8)
Which is interesting because I'm in Generation X. LOL
commanderadama
06-08-2009, 05:34 PM
You would never be able to acurately gauge my "class" because I don't talk about money with anyone I'm not living with. Finances, religion and politics are off limits in most of my conversations. I'm not fond of fighting with my friends.
You appear solidly middle class. What is your favorite museum? Favorite Vacation spot? 8)
Note: my family has several "millionaires" because of their net worth. But they are "working class" because of their lifestyle. Which is why I laugh when wannabe's say "the first million is the hardest" to which I quote Forbe's line "no it isn't, my dad died". LOL
jack0177057
06-08-2009, 08:49 PM
I've known several "trust fund babies" and most are nothing like the fame seeking types. For Pete's sake Jack, Paris Hilton isn't a typical example and even she changed her ways when gramps told her to shape up or the money would be cut off.
I’m not talking Paris Hilton, I don't even know if Paris Hilton is a trust-fund baby or not,... though, she probably is.
Trust fund babies are more than just rich, they have irrevocable trust funds set up for them by (usually) a dead relative (grandparent, great-grandparents, aunt, uncle, etc.). It could be a dynastic trust set up many generations ago... They are independently wealthy because, even if they get cutoff and disinherited by their parents, their irrevocable trust provides them unimaginable wealth for life. You don’t have to read books, be a psychologist or be a sociologist to figure out what happens when a young person has that much wealth AND is financially independent from their parents.
A year ago, I represented a mega-rich dad who wanted to have his drug-addicted trust fund baby committed, against her will, into a drug treatment facility in Malibu, California. This facility, and many, many, many more like it are full of rich kids and trust fund babies. They ARE a wild crowd.
I’m representing another "trust fund baby" right now in a lawsuit against her mother, who served as her trustee for about forty years. She accuses her mother of breach of fiduciary duties, fraud, mismanagement, etc. The 90-year old mother is in an assisted living home and will probably die before the lawsuit is over, but that does not mitigate the acrimony of the daughter.
These families are very dysfunctional and make Paris Hilton look like a lovable little girl scout. I actually give Paris Hilton a lot of credit, because she is a smart entrepeneur and is generating money, not just spending it.
Perry
06-08-2009, 08:51 PM
Not quite - and I'm not about to divulge my net worth. It's private, and besides that - tacky. But if you're persistent in classifying me - my favorite museums vary depending on the touring exhibits. I'm not commited to anyone in paticular, just whoever has something I want to see. Usually something involving human anatomy or nature. My favorite vacation spot is the bottom of the ocean. I've been diving since I was 16, and used to keep aquariams when I had the time.
I mean, if that info puts me into a class, I'd say it was more of a nature/biology lover than any reflection of my earning potential. And if someone wouldn't date me because of that, well, I would assume he just doesn't like science or sea creatures very much. It's a tad disturbing that you're so concerned about money in potential mates. Like a male golddigger.
Almost Jaded
06-08-2009, 11:16 PM
Commander - you'll trust PhD's over blah blah blah - that;s funny, seeing as I know several strippers with various doctorates, lol. And for every book, author, etc that you can quote whom defines your POV, anyone here who reads on the same subject or researches it (God only knows why ANYONE would), plenty of works supporting an opposing POV could be found. That's academia for you...
I do agree, however, that attitude is a (I would say THE) defining trait. Either your "upper class" and out of touch with reality and those whom you - as a result of your attitude - view as beneath you, or you're "upper class" and know your place in life, which is - if you look at the big picture - let's face it, exactly the same as everyone else.
Money, power, and that which comes with them defines what you do, not who you are. Those who lose sight of that are those who worry and wonder about things like "social classes", regardless of their background.
And on topic - if anyone from any class view dancers as less than dating or marriageable material, so much the better! Less competition for those of us with less myopic views. ;)
JayATee
06-08-2009, 11:24 PM
You appear solidly middle class. What is your favorite museum? Favorite Vacation spot? 8)
And these questions will tell you what exactly?
vmurphy252
06-09-2009, 05:53 AM
What's a museum? And I love any Six Flaggs...
Otoki
06-09-2009, 07:57 AM
Not quite - and I'm not about to divulge my net worth. It's private, and besides that - tacky. But if you're persistent in classifying me - my favorite museums vary depending on the touring exhibits. I'm not commited to anyone in paticular, just whoever has something I want to see. Usually something involving human anatomy or nature. My favorite vacation spot is the bottom of the ocean. I've been diving since I was 16, and used to keep aquariams when I had the time.
I mean, if that info puts me into a class, I'd say it was more of a nature/biology lover than any reflection of my earning potential. And if someone wouldn't date me because of that, well, I would assume he just doesn't like science or sea creatures very much. It's a tad disturbing that you're so concerned about money in potential mates. Like a male golddigger.
Yeah, I'm finding this obsession with "class" to be tacky and ignorant (in the sense that he's trying to label people based on extremely limited info). I liked your previous post about enjoying the company of good people. Income shouldn't matter, it's their personalities. I was taught that for as long as I can remember, and it's worked for me.
jack0177057
06-09-2009, 08:08 AM
You appear solidly middle class. What is your favorite museum? Favorite Vacation spot?
These are silly questions.
How about you answer THESE questions (half of them will do), Commanderadama, and let us judge your "class":
1. Where did you grow up? Where did you spend your summers growing up?
2. How many "summer homes" and "weekend retreats" did your family have and where?
3. What fortune 500 families did your family associate with?
6. How many debutante balls did you participate in? On which coast? In which country clubs?
7. What elementary school did you go to? What about prep school? Was this a boarding school or did you commute?
8. What rehab facilities have you stayed at?
9. What is your favorite recreational drug?
10. Do you have a trust? Who was the settlor? Who is the trustee?
11. Does your family have a family foundation? Who are the beneficiaries?
12. What U.S. university did you get your degree from? What foreign universities have you studied in?
13. Are there any dorms in your U.S. college named after your family? Are there any other building in that college named after your family? Are there any buildings or institutions ANYWHERE named after your family?
14. Have you ever dated a European aristocrat? From what country? What was her father's title of nobility?
15. What is your current occupation and salary?
16. How many homes do you own and where?
17. What country clubs do you belong to? Who do you play golf with?
18. Do you fly in your private aircraft? What make and model and passenger capacity?
19. If you have your own businesses, how many people do you employ and in how many countries?
20. Do you have a Swiss bank account? Do you have a Lichtenstein foundation? In what other tax havens do you have bank accounts? (I promise not to thell the IRS.)
21. What hedge funds have you invested in?
A_Guy
06-09-2009, 09:10 AM
and what century are we in again?
commanderadama
06-09-2009, 10:02 AM
These are silly questions.
They are to you because you're middle class, but they are general and don't need identifiable answers. They get to the root of class, which is how much leisure time you have and what you do with it.
Like saying I travel to Europe to attend parties and festivals once a year isn't anything identifiable. 8) My point is that class plays a significant role in whether someone would consider a stripper as a girlfriend.
I've never said that I agree or disagree with the class system, I'm just pointing out that it exists and controls people's social interactions.
BTW was I right about your 3 bedroom ranch and Japanese import in some insignificant fly over state? Perhaps TX? }:D
princessjas
06-09-2009, 10:15 AM
They are to you because you're middle class, but they are general and don't need identifiable answers. They get to the root of class, which is how much leisure time you have and what you do with it.
Like saying I travel to Europe to attend parties and festivals once a year isn't anything identifiable. 8) My point is that class plays a significant role in whether someone would consider a stripper as a girlfriend.
I've never said that I agree or disagree with the class system, I'm just pointing out that it exists and controls people's social interactions.
BTW was I right about your 3 bedroom ranch and Japanese import in some insignificant fly over state? Perhaps TX? }:D
I must say it! You are the most UNPLEASANT person I have had the misfortune to encounter on this board. You don't come across as upper class, you come across as a judgmental bastard without a shred of class or compassion. Just lay off! GEEZ! ::)
Everyman
06-09-2009, 11:01 AM
At most a person can handle moving one rung up on the class ladder in their life, she moved up three rungs, she predictability couldn't handle it and self destructed.
You make some interesting points, some I agree with, many of which I don't. The quoted one is just demonstrably wrong. Two of our last three Presidents (Clinton, Obama) have gone from the single-mom durn-near bottom of the ladder to the very top rung. In one lifetime.
Compare GHWBush, who went from the next-to-top rung to the top rung.
JayATee
06-09-2009, 12:10 PM
They are to you because you're middle class, but they are general and don't need identifiable answers. They get to the root of class, which is how much leisure time you have and what you do with it.
Like saying I travel to Europe to attend parties and festivals once a year isn't anything identifiable. 8) My point is that class plays a significant role in whether someone would consider a stripper as a girlfriend.
I've never said that I agree or disagree with the class system, I'm just pointing out that it exists and controls people's social interactions.
BTW was I right about your 3 bedroom ranch and Japanese import in some insignificant fly over state? Perhaps TX? }:D
You know what? I'm not middle class, I did not grow up middle class, when I graduate from college I still will not be middle class and you and ALL your questions and "points" are silly to me.
Not to mention that I don't give a crap about any of it, class doesn't play any role in my life at all, except for giving me the ability to recognize a poser when I see one (which you are), or the ability to spot bull shit a mile away (which you are full of). I guarantee you are middle class, despite what you want to be or pretend to be on this board, so stop commenting and trying to bring everyone else down because you're right down there yourself.
Seriously, of all the people on this board who have gone away (that I actually liked and respected) I wish you would do us all the favor. You are completley obnoxious and contribute absolutely nothing.