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noelle
05-14-2008, 12:32 PM
So you made 13719 ? In like what 2 months ??

I am sorry but thats awesome money .....thats my family's income for the last year babe ....

was that all yours at the end of the day or what ??

Clearly the place sounds terrible and you did say you worked your ass off but lets just say that is very good money to make in 2 months or 3 months ......Your a husslter baby ox

I'm not disagreeing that 14k in 2 months is good money, but keep in mind she was working 6 days a week under conditions that do NOT sound worth it to me. Being groped and disrespected by customers, rude DJs belittling you, bouncers that won't stand up for you and do their job, managers that try to stiff you out of your money? There isn't any amount that would justify that for me, personally... You are a brave lady, Alaska.

Not to be rude but how do you support an entire FAMILY on 14k a year?

Sindi
05-14-2008, 12:37 PM
I'm not disagreeing that 14k in 2 months is good money, but keep in mind she was working 6 days a week under conditions that do NOT sound worth it to me. Being groped and disrespected by customers, rude DJs belittling you, bouncers that won't stand up for you and do their job, managers that try to stiff you out of your money? There isn't any amount that would justify that for me, personally... You are a brave lady, Alaska.

Not to be rude but how do you support an entire FAMILY on 14k a year?


No absolutely I agree that the conditions were awful , I am just saying that that is good money . A few posts suggested that the money was awful ...which it is not .


The person who supports me works 40hrs a wk and works very hard , they make 11 dollars an hour , after taxes thats about 1100 a month .....most Americans dont make very much money , thats why most families cant afford to have only working parent .

If you do the math and figure out taxes you would be really surprised . I had several day jobs before I was ever a dancer and it made me appreciate the money a lot more .

Most people work 5 days a week and work hard ...look at factory works who make minimum wage ....which is 5 dollars an hour less than the person who supports me makes .......just saying .

Alaska
05-14-2008, 03:17 PM
Alaska-
I am so glad that you choose to correctly review the clubs/parties you have worked at. Your posts are VERY informative, and I am glad that you have posted.

Thank you so much! :) I'm truly happy to hear that, I'd hate for ppl to go thru bad shit.


No absolutely I agree that the conditions were awful , I am just saying that that is good money . A few posts suggested that the money was awful ...which it is not .


The person who supports me works 40hrs a wk and works very hard , they make 11 dollars an hour , after taxes thats about 1100 a month .....most Americans dont make very much money , thats why most families cant afford to have only working parent .

If you do the math and figure out taxes you would be really surprised . I had several day jobs before I was ever a dancer and it made me appreciate the money a lot more .

Most people work 5 days a week and work hard ...look at factory works who make minimum wage ....which is 5 dollars an hour less than the person who supports me makes .......just saying .




^Babe, I totally agree w/you. Although, it IS stripper web, we can talk "stripper money", no?

Sindi
05-14-2008, 03:25 PM
I think thats kick ass money for a stripper to make , especially outside the US .....damn girl your spoiled .


Whos making 7 Gs a month and complaining about it ?? Lol .....no one I know xo

I am not "hating" on you AT ALL , I am just saying thats good money .

Thats why I never take any of my stripper friends serious when they say that its not good out there right now ......compared to what ?? Sure its not as good as it use to be but not much is .......


Anyways Laska , I am just glad to hear that you got home safely because I heard that they can give girls trouble , Cancelling airfare half way home etc etc You have balls for even going IMO

Peanut_Butter
05-14-2008, 06:38 PM
^ I'm sorry, but that IS crap money. That was working 6 days a week, 8+ hours a day, for 2 months straight. I averaged it out the other night when she posted, but I cant remember now exactly, but it came to $300 somethign per night. Not good. Not for 8 or more hours. Not for beign grabbed, toched groped, treated like shit....300 dollars a night for 8 hours is still only 37 dollars an hour. Anyway you look at it, it isnt good. And that type of money can be made in many places within the 48 states, where you dont have to work 6 days a week for 2 months straight and deal with all the other BS.

Yes, it might be better than other non dancing incomes,...but dancers are used to living on dancing incomes, not min. wage incomes, so you really cant compare dancing money with outside job money. And for dancing money, that wasnt great. Espicially if you add in travel expences, and the cost of leaving for 2 months, Im sure she had obligations here she had to pay for ( I remmber she had a catshe had to do somethign with, I'm sure that cost money, plus maybe the cost of keepign her home or apt. here, or whatever)

Sindi
05-14-2008, 06:54 PM
^ I'm sorry, but that IS crap money. That was working 6 days a week, 8+ hours a day, for 2 months straight. I averaged it out the other night when she posted, but I cant remember now exactly, but it came to $300 somethign per night. Not good. Not for 8 or more hours. Not for beign grabbed, toched groped, treated like shit....300 dollars a night for 8 hours is still only 37 dollars an hour. Anyway you look at it, it isnt good. And that type of money can be made in many places within the 48 states, where you dont have to work 6 days a week for 2 months straight and deal with all the other BS.

Yes, it might be better than other non dancing incomes,...but dancers are used to living on dancing incomes, not min. wage incomes, so you really cant compare dancing money with outside job money. And for dancing money, that wasnt great. Especially if you add in travel expenses, and the cost of leaving for 2 months, Im sure she had obligations here she had to pay for ( I remember she had a catshe had to do somethign with, I'm sure that cost money, plus maybe the cost of keepign her home or apt. here, or whatever)


Ugh , yeah ......flip it all you want , that is a hell of alot of money

I use to dance for many years ....I hope all the customers are reading this ....these girls who are crying on your shoulder because they havent made "alot" of money tonight ....this is what they are talking about .

Geesh , get a grip ......300 a night is alot of money for a dancer too .....I know many women who would be happy to average that .

Alot of clubs around Tampa have very high contact and I am sure those girls are not making 7gs a month .....so flip away my dears ....That IS great dancer money

sorry for the thread jack Laska ....I know this is about your awful time in Guam
I have worked with class acts like you describe , luckily not all in the same club at the same time xo

scarlett_vancouver
05-14-2008, 07:13 PM
^ Obviously, it's relative. I also think that's not great money for a 2 month contract. And clearly, so does Alaska. Being that this is a thread about her experience...maybe we can just respect that?

LuvlyDancer
05-14-2008, 07:33 PM
That 242 often got worked up into a frenzy but she had good information (sometimes).

Hopefully her 'crazy' ranting prevented any babydancers from getting in over their heads in Guam.


And I hate to paste from another thread, but this may be exactly how you made her feel, when you intimated it was her fault Guam didn't work out for her:

I can't tell you how ugly it feels to share horrid situations I have been in, try to give accurate reviews and as many details as possible, only for people to look for places in which to tear me a new one.....why? Why are girls so mean when another has dealt with some seriously bad shit, and telling about it so other ppl can be warned?

Lysondra
05-14-2008, 10:12 PM
It's a lot of money, yes... but there is such a thing as too much investment for not enough return.

anomar
05-15-2008, 10:02 AM
It's a lot of money, yes... but there is such a thing as too much investment for not enough return.

That is definitely true. However, in my case, I felt it worked out really well.

Alaska
05-17-2008, 05:14 PM
Ugh , yeah ......flip it all you want , that is a hell of alot of money

I use to dance for many years ....I hope all the customers are reading this ....these girls who are crying on your shoulder because they havent made "alot" of money tonight ....this is what they are talking about .

Geesh , get a grip ......300 a night is alot of money for a dancer too .....I know many women who would be happy to average that .

Alot of clubs around Tampa have very high contact and I am sure those girls are not making 7gs a month .....so flip away my dears ....That IS great dancer money

sorry for the thread jack Laska ....I know this is about your awful time in Guam
I have worked with class acts like you describe , luckily not all in the same club at the same time xo



It seems like simple math in your head, average out what I wound up making, throw in the slammin nights, and it comes to $300.

The problem is, my job there was not secure. I peaced out for those 8 days, and if I never came back, I would have missed those G nights. There was also shady shit they were trying to pull about fines and not paying my airfare.


This money was made by a landslide Most girls most nights had 6-8 chips, I shit you not. About one or twice a week, girls would leave with one or two chips. (chips = $10) Guam was absolutely insane, and any numbers discussions does not apply here. What custy is down with buying a $20 drink? Not many.

Not to mention.....NO ONE, I'm sorry, has to work *this hard* for that amount. Selling $20 drinks. $50 LD's. WTF? P.S. %90 of the custies spoke no English, so how could you even get them to like you? As we all know, making money in sc's is not about looking pretty. Each day I worked was a gamble, and each day I worked could have been my last, and would have been, if I hadn't had a person with a room available to get me out of housing, and then I would have left with even less money. It's not fair to discuss my numbers and accuse me of complaining when we are talking about GUAM. I had my shit thrown around the dressing room twice, including stealing my razor blades which I mysteriously found a week later sitting right next to my shit cute threat, eh? I had a girl put her hands on my ready to fight, no bouncer came and did anything tho they were right there. The stage contact is not normal. The money was shit for all of that, and I'm not gonna that back.



But hey. Isn't this what republicans have been doing for years? Pit working class folks against one another, minorities against one another......we should be concerned about who's REALLY banking in this life, shady politicians and CEO's. If strippers are making money, pffft that's nothing. No one should care about that. We need to focus our attention on the REAL slimy bastards in the world, and not do exactly what they want....fight amongst ourselves. It's oppressive, accomplishes nothing.

That's why I do this job! To stick it to the man as much as possible and retire young and use the money to start a non-profit of some kind.

miabella
05-17-2008, 06:16 PM
i hope the kind of non-profit with a clear, well-defined goal in mind, that plans to dissolve once that clear goal is accomplished according to a specific timeline.

Alaska
05-18-2008, 12:49 AM
^eh???

LuvlyDancer
05-18-2008, 05:59 PM
Where is NakedMegan, and everyone else who said Guam is paradise... that b*tch Megan had a lot to say before you left.

vivianbear
05-18-2008, 10:03 PM
^^
Chicks who live in Guam and/or visit on the regular are following this thread. I can't speak for Megan (a personal friend btw, an interesting character but hardly a bitch) and I don't care to speak for anybody in regards to Guam.
This place is what it is, for better or worse. Its not debatable for me and whether chicks like working here or not when they do short stints doesn't make any difference to me. Like I said before, if Alaska has any other stories to tell besides how much she didn't like it then I'd be excited to hear about that. It doesn't really sound like she does so I don't really have much else to contribute.

i.breathe.in
05-18-2008, 10:11 PM
exactly. not at all worth it.


^ I'm sorry, but that IS crap money. That was working 6 days a week, 8+ hours a day, for 2 months straight. I averaged it out the other night when she posted, but I cant remember now exactly, but it came to $300 somethign per night. Not good. Not for 8 or more hours. Not for beign grabbed, toched groped, treated like shit....300 dollars a night for 8 hours is still only 37 dollars an hour. Anyway you look at it, it isnt good. And that type of money can be made in many places within the 48 states, where you dont have to work 6 days a week for 2 months straight and deal with all the other BS.

Yes, it might be better than other non dancing incomes,...but dancers are used to living on dancing incomes, not min. wage incomes, so you really cant compare dancing money with outside job money. And for dancing money, that wasnt great. Espicially if you add in travel expences, and the cost of leaving for 2 months, Im sure she had obligations here she had to pay for ( I remmber she had a catshe had to do somethign with, I'm sure that cost money, plus maybe the cost of keepign her home or apt. here, or whatever)

VegasPrincess
05-19-2008, 04:07 PM
Wow just clued into this thread now!!

Alaska, that sounds like an awful experience and it must have been scary to try to fight with the management over your plane ticket money, etc.

Just for curiosities sake did they give you a base pay or did they screw you out of that too??

So sorry this happened, I was actually consdiering going to Guam for the winter. Thank heavens I didn't!!!

laurcon
06-12-2008, 03:14 PM
back to the money thing real quick.
the point of dancing is to make A LOT of money, not just money to live on.
if we wanted just normal money to live on right now, we'd go work retail.

i'm all the way in nyc, so going to guam wasn't on my list before and certainly is not now. thanks alaska, good job dealing with all that shit and telling us about it!

Alaska
07-14-2008, 09:04 PM
Was Selena there?
Yea, I worked w/her the whole time I was there.


Guam is not for everybody.

Actually, your numbers sound pretty normal for Guam.

Well, it's definitely not for a dancer who doesn't care about other factors in her stripping, like weather, navy boys, etc. A dancer who is all about the money, as most of us are.....yea. Why dance??


Wow, what an experience! Welcome home, did you get to do anything cool out there, besides work?

--cliff jumping
--snorkling
--ferry to Coco's island, tourist trap, but how could it not be fun?
--a drive around the entire island
--living with someone else other than bitch housing (only happened last 2 weeks there)
--drinking beer (since a beer costs $50 in the club for a custy to buy you, it was quite the noveltly since there were hardly any days off

P.S. All of the above was done in the 2 weeks I lived with a friend, besides cliff jumping; I stayed in Guam an xtra week after my contract, so I could actually do Guam stuff, considering I'll never be back!


I dunno, I guess in a lot of ways it is high risk for them to fly girls in with no real way of enforcing if they will get the money's worth for the plane ticket. I'm not saying it defends how much $ they take but it's just a weird system.

It's cuz they are banking on 1/2 the girls' nightly money, all the fines they invent, the "housing deposit and utilites" so why should they care when they lose a plane fare or 7?


So you made 13719 ? In like what 2 months ??

was that all yours at the end of the day or what ??



You can DOUBLE my numbers and that is what I sold per nite, and what I should have been taking home minus house fee and tips, like anywhere else. And let's keep in mind what a good saleswoman I was: $20 cocktails and $50 for 1 lapdance. What if those were the prices at YOUR club? How might that affect you? ::)

Alaska-
I am so glad that you choose to correctly review the clubs/parties you have worked at. Your posts are VERY informative, and I am glad that you have posted.

Thank you! Thank you so much. This means the world, esp. in light of the criticism I received. For whatever reason.


I think thats kick ass money for a stripper to make , especially outside the US .....damn girl your spoiled .



Thats why I never take any of my stripper friends serious when they say that its not good out there right now ......compared to what ?? Sure its not as good as it use to be but not much is .......




Well. You should take me serious--it's GUAM, not here. It's nothing close to what it's like here. "Damn girl yr spoiled." That hurts me physically to hear that. Considering that my body felt like a piece of hot steel, inflexible, sore, burning, blistering, bleeding (my knees) Considering a massage meant I'd actually have to first have a day off, and second....that's a LOT of money to spend when you are prob going to make $65 the next nite.
Ugh , yeah ......flip it all you want , that is a hell of alot of money

I use to dance for many years ....I hope all the customers are reading this ....these girls who are crying on your shoulder because they havent made "alot" of money tonight ....this is what they are talking about .


Nope, %100 guarenteed that THIS is not what they are talking about.


That 242 often got worked up into a frenzy but she had good information (sometimes).



Wassup 242? Long time no see.


Just for curiosities sake did they give you a base pay or did they screw you out of that too??



They did do the base pay as explained by ppl in this thread. (thank you!) But when I had that week where I freaked out and left but came back, that's when they tried to stick it to me every illegal chance they got. BTW, base pay is in cash. What does that say about them and their tax-keeping skillz?

cinammonkisses
07-14-2008, 10:52 PM
^Wow, I can't believe that was a sears!

Alaska
07-14-2008, 10:55 PM
:cloud9: yayyyy you looked at the vintage ones!! that one and the "shells of micronesia" are my fave. i forgot to mention that, in the album there's a few pics of guam from the 1950's that my friend sent me! how cool is that?

madmaxine
07-14-2008, 11:11 PM
Alaska, I'm glad you posted an honest review of your Guam experience.

I was also rescued during the last two weeks of my time there- a Coast Guard Officer befriended me & drove me to the airport the morning my plane left. One of the memories I'll take to my grave is running down Agana beach at 2AM towards his condo with a Brinks cashbox full of money. I was literally running to catch a plane off of the rock. LOL

IMO it's disgusting the level of dishonesty many clubs on Guam use to get girls, more so now that things are slow. Maybe things will improve in 2010.....maybe.

Alaska
07-14-2008, 11:37 PM
I wish I could say I'd go back if it were slammin. Tho marines are not known for their best behavior in sc's or apparently anywhere in Japan, they want them out. That schedule was horrific on my mind and body (would have been better w/much more regular sex....you should have seen the lengths I went thru to get laid on my day off!) And I would never, ever, EVER live in housing if I did.

It was crazy, I never got a minute alone, and I always chose sex over alone time on my day off, cuz it made me feel less crazy. This is awful tho: I snuck a guy back to housing one time on my day off when no one was there. He was 6'5", I thought for sure he'd be at least a little hung. When I took his pants off, he was uncut and it was completely shriveled, even after all kinds of messing around. I tried for about an hour, but it wasn't happening---I actually kicked him out of the house right after I gave up. It was rude, but fuck....I had only 2 hours left in the nite before all those bitches got home, and not another day off for more than a week.

Peanut_Butter
07-15-2008, 04:22 AM
^ LMAO. Don't feel too bad. Once I kicked a guy out of bed and made him walk home because when he took off his shirt, his back reminded me of beef. Like he was a little on the heavy side and wasn' tan, and his large, white back reminded me of beef. I am a vegetarian. I was so grossed out by his large white whale looking back, I couldn't do it. I kicke dhim out of bed and out of the house...but I drove him to my place. he had to walk home.
Terrible. terrible bad karma on me.

Alaska
07-15-2008, 12:43 PM
^haha, that was spine we just so happened to park by! A mystery spine. I have another pic of my friend throwing it a peace sign, bc it became funny because the Japanese ppl do peace or thumbs up for every single picture Like the one of me and the cat (ugh that climate made my skin the worst it's been in years) I only put it up cuz they're in the background w/peace signs. :laughing: I'm gonna label the pics today.

madmaxine
07-16-2008, 01:48 PM
^haha, that was spine we just so happened to park by! A mystery spine.

That reminded me, after the Supertyphoon, the beach was littered with dead sea creatures. The ocean pretty much heaved everything out. Mother Nature is a flinty hearted biatch.

The spine was probably leftovers from Korean food. One of my dinners on Guam was noodles with fish backbone segments. No shit.

I don't think I could ever work on Guam again....The amount of disrespect and hatred I saw directed towards sex workers and women in general was hard to live with..... Guam made me a hardcore, sometimes violent man-hater for years. In three and a half short months, yet.

Alaska
07-16-2008, 02:04 PM
^Indeed, w/the last part of yr post. Noodles w/fish backbone segments...:eek:!!! I just stuck with the supermarket and occasional Ban Thai, lol. That spine was like huge tho, freaky deaky. All out in the middle of nowhere.

I bought a roll of paper towels in the supermarket...got home, unwrapped the plastic, stuck my fingers in the tube to unroll the towels, and it felt crunchy. Then I realized the tube was entirely black and CRAWLING with ants! Then, my roomate bought the same kind of PT's a week later, and the same thing happened!! That's some 3rd world country shit right there.

Sophia_Starina
07-16-2008, 02:16 PM
I bought a roll of paper towels in the supermarket...got home, unwrapped the plastic, stuck my fingers in the tube to unroll the towels, and it felt crunchy. Then I realized the tube was entirely black and CRAWLING with ants! Then, my roomate bought the same kind of PT's a week later, and the same thing happened!! That's some 3rd world country shit right there.

In Guam.... ants towel you!

Alaska
07-16-2008, 02:18 PM
In Guam.... ants towel you!

this quote FTW!! bahahaha

Jenny
07-16-2008, 02:31 PM
Oh my gosh. My favourite thing about shopping in Guam was (besides the concept of island time - you can sit in line at a store for 1.5 hours. You're in Guam. You have nothing else to do) the way store people would act if you asked for something they either didn't have or didn't know where it was. They would stare at you like you were a crazy person making up words they had never heard before.
"I'm looking for elastics."
Squinty eyes stare at me for a moment: "E-las-tics?"
"Yes. I need elastic bands."
"E-las-tic Bands? Hey! Hey - do we have any "elastic bands"?"
For all the world like they've never heard of elastic bands before.

There was this other guy who ran a convenience store (which you've probably been to) who mostly seemed to sell betelnut and would randomly start throwing the stuff on the counter at customers. Never at me. I probably wouldn't have found that as funny.

madmaxine
07-17-2008, 01:10 AM
An amusing related note- a good friend of mine is deploying to Guam this year- I just spent several minutes showing him a GOOD representation of the island (the blog ) and the bad (a Guam Power Authority flashlight- given to me because the power was out for ONE MONTH after the supertyphoon)......

Guam has its pluses but due to the hectic nature of the club's work schedule, it's hard to enjoy it there......I noticed a lot of dancers whose husbands were in the service have favorable things to say, since they weren't entirely dependent on dance money to survive there. Everything is sooo dang expensive.

Meagan
07-17-2008, 08:40 AM
So you made 13719 ? In like what 2 months ??

I am sorry but thats awesome money .....thats my family's income for the last year babe ....

was that all yours at the end of the day or what ??

Clearly the place sounds terrible and you did say you worked your ass off but lets just say that is very good money to make in 2 months or 3 months ......Your a husslter baby ox


Actually when you include her club pays she made over $17k in 2 months.


Where is NakedMegan, and everyone else who said Guam is paradise... that b*tch Megan had a lot to say before you left.

Right here baby and I will repeat what I have said many times

·Guam is not for everyone.
·Research what club you come to work for.
·There are a lot of shitty girls here
·G-spot management and staff suck I came to Guam for a G-spot contract and will never work there again.
·The club I dance at YOU DON’T HAVE TO LET customer’s touch, hell you don’t even have to take your bottoms off on stage.
·The 3 top bars are divided, as in G-spot is a tourist bar, Vikings is a Navy bar and USA is an Air force bar.
·The only clubs in Guam worth dancing at are the top 3 and out of the top 3 and having worked at all 3 I can personally only recommend Vikings.

In PM’s with Alaska I told her that G-spot was a tourist club I also told her that the management wanted it that way and the staff tries to run off non tourist, so her bitching about the tourist is her own fault. I also told her that the management tried to scam me out of my airfare money as well as other money. I also told her of the personal issues I have with Club USA management and staff.

Also it sounds like Alaska left at a bad time the last 3 days she was here the USS Nimitz was in, 2 weeks later the Kitty Hawk came in. Then the Nimitz came back in and then the Washington came in “all 3 carriers”, that’s 4 carriers in 3 months and next week a strike group comes in without its carrier and the Washington is coming back next month.

The military buildup of 8000 marines actually works out to around 30k marines plus there will be more air force and navy coming in. However this means shit because the Guam hotel association I working to get the clubs moved out of Tumon in about 2 years. The new location selected by Gov Guam is a military no go area of Guam “harmon” and most the club owners say they will just close and not relocate.

madmaxine
07-17-2008, 12:54 PM
Re- GovGuam closing clubs in Tumon in 2 years- Considering the greed and hunger for bribes on Guam, someone will find a way to open titty bars on Guam, even if they stick it on the south end of the island or on top of a massage parlor. A girl I met who worked Tumon for a while said the Japanese are very intimidated of the American military personnel, so moving SCs is probably just a way to protect income from Japanese tourism and shunt the military people away from Tumon.

Alaska
07-17-2008, 01:51 PM
In PM’s with Alaska I told her that G-spot was a tourist club I also told her that the management wanted it that way and the staff tries to run off non tourist, so her bitching about the tourist is her own fault. I also told her that the management tried to scam me out of my airfare money as well as other money. I also told her of the personal issues I have with Club USA management and staff.

Also it sounds like Alaska left at a bad time the last 3 days she was here the USS Nimitz was in, 2 weeks later the Kitty Hawk came in. Then the Nimitz came back in and then the Washington came in “all 3 carriers”, that’s 4 carriers in 3 months and next week a strike group comes in without its carrier and the Washington is coming back next month.



I worked at G-Spot because Chris was the only one who picked up his phone. It was either that or Vikings. I tried to contact the incompetant Vikings every other day for a week even after talking to Chris, bc I really wanted to compare & contrast. Those are the "top" 3 clubs, as much as any club in Guam could be "top" lol, but they are not equal, it goes: G-Spot, Vikings, and USA. That's a known fact to everyone. Every person's accounts of the other clubs corroborated each others' and I saw it personally my last night there, that the rules were enforced even less than at G-Spot. Lap dancing from the stage? Give me a break. LOL about leaving at a bad time. I had originally signed up for 3 months, freaked out and left for a week, then came back; I was able to sign a 2 month instead and at that point I had 10 more days until the 2 month was up. It took everything I had to complete those last days.

With regards to your assessment of my money above, again...::) ...I make can make 17k in 2 months working less than half the hours that I did in Guam. I had to pay for my airfare for the way home too, so that's minus $1,065. And we can forget the $100 housing deposit, since I moved out **and cleaned** w/o officially informing Chris, and didn't see him again till a week later. I also had at least one $75 fine (the nite I freaked and left work) but like I said I tried to be stoned thruout that meeting so it would be blurry, still trying to erase my memory...(I'll do the hour breakdown soon, as in how many hours I actually put in.) Altho, at the time of Feb. when I went, I was not making that because I was working at the crappiest club in town--my bad, should have switched clubs sooner and not gone to Guam, I've said that many times.

Alaska
07-17-2008, 02:54 PM
About the money again...people should not look at my numbers and think that's typical. My roommate and I made the most & I have no problem saying that publicly. It was visible to all. 80/20 was definitely applying here. %20 of the girls took home the majority of the money that was in the club, while other ppl had to be content with amounts a landslide less. Nights like "$180" often earned the top spot, (I do mean often, sadly.) while other girls had $20, $30, $80. (plus stage, I'm talking about chips.) People need to remember that. I couldn't think of a harsher work environment.

Meagan
07-17-2008, 11:21 PM
I worked at G-Spot because Chris was the only one who picked up his phone. It was either that or Vikings. I tried to contact the incompetant Vikings every other day for a week even after talking to Chris, bc I really wanted to compare & contrast. Those are the "top" 3 clubs, as much as any club in Guam could be "top" lol, but they are not equal, it goes: G-Spot, Vikings, and USA. That's a known fact to everyone. Every person's accounts of the other clubs corroborated each others' and I saw it personally my last night there, that the rules were enforced even less than at G-Spot. Lap dancing from the stage? Give me a break. LOL about leaving at a bad time. I had originally signed up for 3 months, freaked out and left for a week, then came back; I was able to sign a 2 month instead and at that point I had 10 more days until the 2 month was up. It took everything I had to complete those last days.

With regards to your assessment of my money above, again...file:///C:/Users/INTERV%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif ...I make can make 17k in 2 months working less than half the hours that I did in Guam. I had to pay for my airfare for the way home too, so that's minus $1,065. And we can forget the $100 housing deposit, since I moved out **and cleaned** w/o officially informing Chris, and didn't see him again till a week later. I also had at least one $75 fine (the nite I freaked and left work) but like I said I tried to be stoned thruout that meeting so it would be blurry, still trying to erase my memory...(I'll do the hour breakdown soon, as in how many hours I actually put in.) Altho, at the time of Feb. when I went, I was not making that because I was working at the crappiest club in town--my bad, should have switched clubs sooner and not gone to Guam, I've said that many times.
So let’s get this out in the open

· You where told by more than one person that they had issues working at G-spot, you still went
· I personally offered to put you in contact with 3 other clubs Vikings, USA, Foxys” I felt you would have a better experience at, you declined.
· You’re bitching about having to pay return flight, contract states that on a 2 month contract YOU pay for your flight home.
· Your bitching about the $100 housing deposit, it’s a deposit as in you get it back.
· You bitching about 7 hour workdays, at Vikings it would have been a 5 hour workday because you’re not considered late until 9.

On top of all that you said you made most of your money off military “navy” guys, Vikings gets 4 to 5 times the military customers then G-spot so you would have made more money at Vikings. I also told you that before you left to work at G-spot.

Sounds to me that YOU fucked up by not researching and by not taking advise that was given to you.


About the money again...people should not look at my numbers and think that's typical. My roommate and I made the most & I have no problem saying that publicly. It was visible to all. 80/20 was definitely applying here. %20 of the girls took home the majority of the money that was in the club, while other ppl had to be content with amounts a landslide less. Nights like "$180" often earned the top spot, (I do mean often, sadly.) while other girls had $20, $30, $80. (plus stage, I'm talking about chips.) People need to remember that. I couldn't think of a harsher work environment.
Yea it’s like that here because 80% of the girls are crap and just show up for the club pays. So here your bitching because lazy as girls made less then you?

vivianbear
07-18-2008, 01:02 AM
Oh my gosh. My favourite thing about shopping in Guam was (besides the concept of island time - you can sit in line at a store for 1.5 hours. You're in Guam. You have nothing else to do) the way store people would act if you asked for something they either didn't have or didn't know where it was. They would stare at you like you were a crazy person making up words they had never heard before.
"I'm looking for elastics."
Squinty eyes stare at me for a moment: "E-las-tics?"
"Yes. I need elastic bands."
"E-las-tic Bands? Hey! Hey - do we have any "elastic bands"?"
For all the world like they've never heard of elastic bands before.



LOL! That's easily one of the funniest points on just interacting with people there! No matter how much time I spent there, I could never get over this!

Jenny
07-18-2008, 07:38 AM
Meagan - Alaska wasn't the one calling you names or attacking you, so I have no idea why you are attacking her. She didn't have a good time in Guam, and she is sharing her experience. Clubs and locations get reviewed here and not all reviews are good. Like I get you might be feeling defensive because someone was really impolite about you above, but I think you might just be taking it out here.

Meagan
07-18-2008, 09:36 AM
Meagan - Alaska wasn't the one calling you names or attacking you, so I have no idea why you are attacking her. She didn't have a good time in Guam, and she is sharing her experience. Clubs and locations get reviewed here and not all reviews are good. Like I get you might be feeling defensive because someone was really impolite about you above, but I think you might just be taking it out here.
No I am trying to stress a point, she had a bad time here and I believe that. But she is saying that ALL the clubs in Guam are shit based on her 8 week endeavor at ONE club that she was warned NOT to go to by more than one person.

I tried to help her before she went I tried to get her to go to a club that would have a better environment. I did this not because I recruit girls for clubs because I don’t and I also don’t get any form of commission, I did it because I knew that if she went and had a bad experience she would shit talk all the club. All the girls on this forum that have had bad Guam experiences review the whole place by their experience at that one club they worked at and that club is primarily G-spot, Club Texas or Cosmos. On top of that they and she shit talk the girls that dance here saying we are all a bunch of fucked 2 bit hookers that are all strung out on drugs or are all mentally unstable. Yet she was bitching about the cost of drugs here and also talking about fucking guys because she was bored and lonely. The kettle calls the pot what?

She fucked up, yet she I blaming all the clubs here and not the fact that she did not listen to warning.

Every time I have tried to give someone info on clubs in Guam I have been honest and helpful and in return people here shit on me.

Jenny
07-18-2008, 10:04 AM
I get that one person said something really inappropriate about you; outside of that how has anyone shit on you in this thread? I mean, all that is going on is that people don't like the region in which you work, and people are suspicious about traveling there. I don't think you I think you are taking what are club reviews way too personally. She is sharing her experience; she is not misleading anyone about where she worked or where she got her knowledge of other clubs; nobody is confused and again - her impressions and reviews are just as valid as yours. People are free to ask/investigate how long either of you were there, what priorities you have in a work environment and of course extrapolate from how well they feel they know you.

As for the point you are stressing - since you are not substantively disagreeing about money or living conditions, I think your point is that you don't think she would have had problems getting paid at Vikings? That really doesn't have anything to do with attacking her personally. It's silly to say that "she fucked up" because she didn't do what you said and didn't work at the club you thought she should work at. I understand you are trying to be helpful and that one person in this thread was really and needlessly impolite about it - but that wasn't the person you are attacking and blaming here.

Alaska
07-18-2008, 04:12 PM
So let’s get this out in the open

· You where told by more than one person that they had issues working at G-spot, you still went
· I personally offered to put you in contact with 3 other clubs Vikings, USA, Foxys” I felt you would have a better experience at, you declined.
· You’re bitching about having to pay return flight, contract states that on a 2 month contract YOU pay for your flight home.
· Your bitching about the $100 housing deposit, it’s a deposit as in you get it back.
· You bitching about 7 hour workdays, at Vikings it would have been a 5 hour workday because you’re not considered late until 9.

On top of all that you said you made most of your money off military “navy” guys, Vikings gets 4 to 5 times the military customers then G-spot so you would have made more money at Vikings. I also told you that before you left to work at G-spot.

Sounds to me that YOU fucked up by not researching and by not taking advise that was given to you.


Yea it’s like that here because 80% of the girls are crap and just show up for the club pays. So here your bitching because lazy as girls made less then you?

Why would I have declined an offer to "put me in contact" with other clubs? Or at least Vikings, as I only wanted to work at either of these 2. I don't recall that, tho all it takes is giving me their number, which I think you did. I called and e-mailed Vikings, no response. It's like apt. shopping--I'll prob rent from whoever a)meets my criteria and is competant enough to pick up their phone. Vikings not answering msgs makes someone think they don't have their shit together and question working there, that's not hard to see. The $100 housing deposit I did not get back. Imho that's quite the scam, so you have a house full of girls = $600? And they try to get away w/keeping as much as possible. I'm not bitching bc girls made less than me; you read that completely wrong. Some ppl here seem shocked and flabbergasted that I'm complaining bc I raked in royalty wages---so not true! It's shit money for stripping period, and if those numbers are considered high for Guam, it's all the more reason not to go out there.



No I am trying to stress a point, she had a bad time here and I believe that. But she is saying that ALL the clubs in Guam are shit based on her 8 week endeavor at ONE club that she was warned NOT to go to by more than one person.

I tried to help her before she went I tried to get her to go to a club that would have a better environment. I did this not because I recruit girls for clubs because I don’t and I also don’t get any form of commission, I did it because I knew that if she went and had a bad experience she would shit talk all the club. All the girls on this forum that have had bad Guam experiences review the whole place by their experience at that one club they worked at and that club is primarily G-spot, Club Texas or Cosmos. On top of that they and she shit talk the girls that dance here saying we are all a bunch of fucked 2 bit hookers that are all strung out on drugs or are all mentally unstable. Yet she was bitching about the cost of drugs here and also talking about fucking guys because she was bored and lonely. The kettle calls the pot what?

She fucked up, yet she I blaming all the clubs here and not the fact that she did not listen to warning.

Every time I have tried to give someone info on clubs in Guam I have been honest and helpful and in return people here shit on me.

It's true that ALL the clubs are far heavier on contact and wide open extras than G-Spot or Vikings. I can't say I saw what I saw @ other clubs at Vikings, and indeed it was an alternate choice, but they didn't return msgs--once again. In your opinion, I fucked up by not working at Vikings. Okay whatever you wanna think. I'm reporting on my overall Guam experience, including more factors than the club environs. It's not shit talking, it's a review. r.e. mental instability, yes indeed it makes me unstable having to strip at that hellish pace w/o sex or weed. I did not say everyone was a bunch of 2-bit hookers. I did not mean to offend people like you or VivianBear when I said "Guam is for ppl that owe their drug dealers 11G's., etc." It just seems crazy to me that ppl would go out there for a profit. What makes ppl stay? I have no clue and that's the difference bt me and them and that's fine. Once again this is my review. And Megan, really tho, I don't know why you are attacking me, I didn't call you names or bring you up like someone else did on this thread.

Alaska
07-18-2008, 04:28 PM
Anyway, I'm kind of done hashing and rehashing. I think I said all I needed to say about my experience, and it's mentally draining to keep going there. There are definitley other specific examples of every bad area we touched on. That's my experience folks, tho I'd still never be mad at someone who went anyway, I'm too curious of a person myself. I wanted an adventure and that's what I got!

Tara_75
07-20-2008, 03:23 PM
OMG. I am so glad I did not let myself get talked into going to work there a few years ago. I came damn close too. Phew, I guess I dodged that bullet!

vivianbear
07-20-2008, 03:42 PM
Every time I have tried to give someone info on clubs in Guam I have been honest and helpful and in return people here shit on me.

So quit trying to help or advise anyone. Plain and simple. Quit selling it, quit trying to act like a guide. Just let women go through the channels we all had to go through to get there for the first time and figure out the pros and cons for themselves. Berating Alaska because she didn't listen to you (I've read most of your "tips" and frankly, I wouldn't either) isn't going to change her over-all opinion of Guam.

Quit personalizing it so much. You're there long term (as was I), most dancers are not. Your perspective its obviously going to be different. Why do you feel so obligated to convince other dancers to follow your lead?

anomar
07-20-2008, 06:56 PM
Thanks Vivian, that post helps put this thread in perspective for me. I've definitely felt a bit odd reading it because Alaska's experience doesn't match mine -- but if someone is genuinely curious than they'll do a search for 'Guam' and maybe find my thread. It's hard to sell to someone because there's no real reason to other than defending your own lifestyle in your eyes... I think that if someone was in the exact situation I was in then they might take a lot of value from going, but many of Alaska's opinions in this thread are valid since it's her review thread.

So if you want to make a 'resources' thread about Guam that would be great and I will definitely contribute, but it does not the overall image of the experience to be very negative on someone else's thread.

vivianbear
07-20-2008, 09:41 PM
^^
No prob, homegirl. Anyone who wants to know more about my time on Guam specifically knows exactly how to contact me.

vivianbear
07-21-2008, 01:05 AM
I did not mean to offend people like you or VivianBear when I said "Guam is for ppl that owe their drug dealers 11G's., etc." It just seems crazy to me that ppl would go out there for a profit. What makes ppl stay?

My reasons for going to Guam are just that, MY REASONS. I don't need to be condescended to about profits/losses or my ability to do my job. The specific context that my time in Guam has been in my life means much more to me than I think you could ever appreciate.

Alaska
07-21-2008, 01:08 AM
^I really didn't do that. I think you are a cool cat on the board. Sorry I come across as so closed minded to you, like I'd never think it was valid if you said Guam worked out for you at a particular time in yr life. I thought this thread was on the rational track.:-\

And you quote it like I was bugging you for an answer, obv. I was thinking out loud.

madmaxine
07-21-2008, 01:12 AM
I just find it amusing that this thread won't die!!!! It's like a Brown Tree Snake. (Hahahah! Guam joke.)

I NEED to add that I talked to an exotic dancer that went to Guam in the heyday of stripping and Guam (period- the mid-1980s) and when I told her what the average earnings are now, she was horrified. Dancers made triple or quadruple back then (& yes, inflation is factored in...) But that was back in the day. Hence my personal feelings about how Guam is promoted.....They're using ancient hype for a a very very rough booking.

vivianbear
07-21-2008, 01:41 AM
^I really didn't do that. I think you are a cool cat on the board. Sorry I come across as so closed minded to you, like I'd never think it was valid if you said Guam worked out for you at a particular time in yr life. I thought this thread was on the rational track.:-\

And you quote it like I was bugging you for an answer, obv. I was thinking out loud.

I PM'ed you..