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Callyish
05-13-2008, 05:05 PM
I"ve been trying to feature in the US for awhile. They pay American girls WAY more then Canadian girls get paid. My problem is getting a work visa... bleh...
scarlett_vancouver
05-13-2008, 05:13 PM
^ visa issues.
And y'all, Canadians are not automatically amazing, any more than US features automatically suck. I've seen many a suck Canadian 'feature', and a few good US features.
The expectations are totally different...the draw of a US feature is that she's a 'famous' porn star that guys get to see in person. She's not supposed to be a prima ballerina. The draw of a Canadian feature is...something. I don't totally know what, lol. I'd say entertainment value, but the showgirls are usually as good or better than the feature, so. I don't know.
Agreed with Molly 100%...I do both hustling and featuring, and I make about 300% less when I feature, due to the fact that I'm not usually selling lapdances.
lovebutton
05-13-2008, 05:18 PM
I know a thing or two about the sex industry in general and it really is disturbing that these women are features or even, gasp, miss nude world!
I agree with all of you, the random dancers at the little club I was at last week were way cuter, prettier, and more talented (or I assume at least) than these women! It makes me almost want to go "HEY! Wants wrong with you people!? Why even have a contest if you cant even try to represent the population, because obviously, you touting these women as "the best" is a horrific farse!"
Lame. I am sure theyre wonderful women, and I bet theyre probably quite pretty without all that make up on, but goodness sakes, it depresses me to see that the sex industry makes such a joke out of itself like this sometimes.
There are a lot of beautiful, hardworking, great-personality dancers out there and its just not fair to those of you that wish to conduct business successfully.
Callyish
05-13-2008, 05:20 PM
See I make more money featuring then I did when I was lap dancing. Like way more money. I make killer awesome tips and sell promo and have a great show price. I do very well.
Mind you I hate lap dancing with a passion and would sooner hang myself then sell lap dances and rely on that for my income.
Anyway no not all Canadian features are amazing. There are some that i've looked at and gone 'huh... how da...'. Yet there are some pretty fucking amazing girls. Many Carlten, Sandra Catz, Sable, Jeannie Stallone..... girls you just watch on stage and go 'omg... so awesome'.
AudreyLeigh
05-13-2008, 07:40 PM
If I wasnt so lame Id feature in the US. Ive thought about it - I mean I can dance and have porn... it just seems like soooo much work and not worth the profit in the end...
gingerlee
05-13-2008, 08:01 PM
^^I know I'd pay to see you. Seriously, why the fuck can I not work with some majorly attractive features on a more regular basis? Honestly, I'd be happy to have some girls that actually look as good as or better than their pictures. Am I really asking for something that impossible?
AudreyLeigh
05-13-2008, 08:15 PM
^^ lend me some costumes and props and Ill put on a show for you :P
kitty260
05-13-2008, 08:43 PM
I don't get how these US girls can come to Canada relatively easily (and I vote that Ginger calls my agent and comes to Canada) and Canadian girls can't feature in the US without a huge battle. Sucky buggers.
kitty260
05-13-2008, 08:47 PM
Ahaha I keep saying i'll get a copy of my show to put on youtube but I just never got around to it. Someday i'll get it recorded lol....
Dude. I just had the best idea.
If you can get us stage time at the Bal with your sweet hookups, I'll totally record you doing a show with R's camera and upload it. Then vise versa. I want something to look back on when I'm old and wrinkled. More so, I want to wear my pirate outfit. I'm not uploading that shit though, I'm too chubby for public viewing.
Callyish
05-14-2008, 11:45 AM
LoL Kitty we would have to do it like... Friday. Its C's last night.... there is a big 'going away' party on Fri night... Rick is letting me off work early so I can party. Wanna come play to say good bye to the Bal?
Miss Jessica
05-14-2008, 03:48 PM
Ahaha I keep saying i'll get a copy of my show to put on youtube but I just never got around to it. Someday i'll get it recorded lol....
Don't make me come to Canada! :P
Actually, I've really wanted to go back to Canada anyways.
kitty260
05-14-2008, 09:20 PM
Awww....I wanna come to the party really bad but I already agreed to go to a thing out at the lake so all the cottage friends can meet Ash. Fuckin' sucky.
Callyish
05-15-2008, 11:35 AM
Ahaha fine then.... im stealing you next weekend Kitty for Entertainer Of The Year... you can be my bitch and record my show as well :P Its at SIN City.
kitty260
05-15-2008, 11:45 AM
Hmmm...next weekend.......that works, as far as I know. The SIN stage is set up a lot better for recording a show.
My dad is supposed to be coming out this weekend, if I remember I'll ask if I can borrow his video camera. That's even better then just using a regular digital camera.
Callyish
05-15-2008, 11:52 AM
Sweet!!! We can play! Ahaha im half assing it through this contest. I still don't even know what show im doing. I don't want to do it... Rick is making me *grumble*
kitty260
05-15-2008, 12:28 PM
Do Matrix!!!! I haven't seen that show yet. Or wear my pirate and I'll live vicariously through you.
NewMoon
05-23-2008, 09:45 AM
I've been dancing at the same club as her this week and I love her. I haven't seen her pictures but she looks hot in real life. Very nice down-to-earth girl and she puts on great shows.
Let's stop hating on fellow dancers!!
Callyish
05-23-2008, 10:04 AM
I've been dancing at the same club as her this week and I love her. I haven't seen her pictures but she looks hot in real life. Very nice down-to-earth girl and she puts on great shows.
Let's stop hating on fellow dancers!!
Aww your in TBay!! I wanna be in TBay lol. Damn this stupid contest im stuck doing :(
Anyway im not really hating on her. Im just annoyed that she gets paid butt loads of cash to do sweet fuck all. Minus throw around some props. Take her props away and what does she have for a show? Nadda. Anyway I have heard shes a very sweet girl from a few peoples so thats cool.
I just don't agree with the politics behind it.
NewMoon
05-23-2008, 10:53 AM
I guess some people like props, others like pole tricks, some just want the hottest girl to be the feature........ you can't really win.
T-bay isn't that great, I don't think. It's my first time here. Light hustle but songs are ridiculously long.... like 4.5 minutes for $10 is ridiculous!! You have to dance for 45 minutes out of an hour to make $100/hour....
Callyish
05-24-2008, 10:44 AM
I guess some people like props, others like pole tricks, some just want the hottest girl to be the feature........ you can't really win.
T-bay isn't that great, I don't think. It's my first time here. Light hustle but songs are ridiculously long.... like 4.5 minutes for $10 is ridiculous!! You have to dance for 45 minutes out of an hour to make $100/hour....
You don't get it. Western Canada the whole idea is THE SHOW, not the props. Out here its about how good of a dancer you are, not how good your props are. Anyway I know what your trying to say but ask any girl out here who has had to climb the damn chain and they will all agree.
Besides the point.
TBay isn't easy. Nevermind you two picked a horrible week to go out there. Right after the long weekend isn't a good time at all. It sucks ass because no one wants to go to the bar and no one wants to spend.
During the summer and certain parts of the winter TBay is killer cash. I wish you had a better first experience out there. Plus once you get to know people its a super fun week. We all hot tub party at Pats after work every night lol. Plus there is tons to do there. Hopefully in the future you will give it another try. If you do let me know and i'll book that week and i'll show you how easy it can be.
scarlett_vancouver
05-24-2008, 02:52 PM
^ Do it in Oct and I go too :D
Callyish
05-24-2008, 04:29 PM
^^ Can't do Oct... i'll be in Newfoundland lol. Im booked Oct/Nov in Nfld and Quebec.
scarlett_vancouver
05-24-2008, 04:30 PM
Maybe can do Sept. Otherwise, meh, I'll go alone and absorb the love from my coworkers ::)
Callyish
05-24-2008, 04:32 PM
:rotfl: oh come on the catty bitches are fun!!!!
I'll bring my own lineup so we can have a good week ;)
Scarlett.Oz
05-24-2008, 04:55 PM
*Rolls eyes*
PaigeDWinter
05-24-2008, 05:52 PM
If I wasnt so lame Id feature in the US. Ive thought about it - I mean I can dance and have porn... it just seems like soooo much work and not worth the profit in the end...
Part of me still wants to feature. But most of me knows Im too lame LOL
mollyzmoon
05-25-2008, 08:42 AM
You don't get it. Western Canada the whole idea is THE SHOW, not the props. Out here its about how good of a dancer you are, not how good your props are. Anyway I know what your trying to say but ask any girl out here who has had to climb the damn chain and they will all agree.
Besides the point.
TBay isn't easy. Nevermind you two picked a horrible week to go out there. Right after the long weekend isn't a good time at all. It sucks ass because no one wants to go to the bar and no one wants to spend.
During the summer and certain parts of the winter TBay is killer cash. I wish you had a better first experience out there. Plus once you get to know people its a super fun week. We all hot tub party at Pats after work every night lol. Plus there is tons to do there. Hopefully in the future you will give it another try. If you do let me know and i'll book that week and i'll show you how easy it can be.
I'm no great judge, but objectively, many guys did enjoy her performance. The puppet going down on her and whatnot. Maybe the dancers did not. Don't really know.
I was in a pissy mood this week, and it was a pretty slow week for that place, but I still profited more than I'd make here.
But I see what Newmoon is saying. The lapdancing that week was ridiculous from some of those girls. Like, literally what we do in Ottawa for $20/ per 3 min. It used to be 'table dancing', but when it's bumped up to lapdancing, and you're used to doing it for twice as much, you think 'well hey, Montreal is 10x closer'. That might sound bitter! I haven't slept in 30 hours. I wanted to give the scoop from my perspective. I'd be the first one to admit that it can be great money, and I actually liked the crazy Winnipeg cokehead I met.
But with a DJ doing rails of the changeroom counter, and the bouncer doing sweet fuck all when a guy got up on stage, beer in hand, walking around harrassing me...and then grabbed me until I shoved him off...Like the DJ didn't say anything, the bouncer didn't do a thing...I was pissed.
It was not a great experience, all in all. In terms of dollar/ hour, it's not really significantly more than we make at home, is the thing. I dunno. Thought I'd throw that out there. But like I said, I wasn't in my best mood all week! Lol
Nakita Kash
05-25-2008, 11:13 AM
Well what annoys me is everyone is talking about how her entire show is based on props. She doesn't dance or do anything, she just relies on her props to make her show.
Shes not attractive at all either. I feel like a catty bitch for saying this but fuck... I hate the fact that I bust my ass, I train and invest money into costumes and props and my looks and someone like her can saunter in and make 3 times the amount of money I make.
I have said it a hundred times before, but I will say it again here. Features in US start out at $50/show for their VERY FIRST gig, which is what you are making up there for your entire career. If they prove worthy of continuing then they immediately get bumped to $100/show and eventually $150/show. Kitty's agent WAY overprices their features at $200-$350/show. This is WAY over priced for really being nobodys.
These #'s are strickly for showgirl features, not adult stars who make tons more for club appearances. Please keep in mind that featuring in the states is so different than featuring up there!
Nakita Kash
05-25-2008, 11:15 AM
Feature dancers in the US are not 'dancers'. Theyre porn girls hence why they need props - because they dont know how to dance.
In my years Ive seen probably 50 features and maybe 2 impressed me - they were strippers turned porn stars so of course they knew how to dance.
Although porn girls are taking over, in this case you are wrong. Kitty is no porn star!
Nakita Kash
05-25-2008, 11:22 AM
If I wasnt so lame Id feature in the US. Ive thought about it - I mean I can dance and have porn... it just seems like soooo much work and not worth the profit in the end...
You are right mostly. You really have to WANT to be a feature because many don't make more than the housedancers do! I myslef (just like Cally) HATE to lap dance and found that I love the stage. I love being in a different city every week and not have to be part of the club drama or see the same regular custies every week trying to get close to me! I LOVE featuring and I believe that anyone who wants to give it a shot needs to have this attitude also, or they might as well stay a house/lap dancer!
Nakita Kash
05-25-2008, 11:27 AM
I don't get how these US girls can come to Canada relatively easily (and I vote that Ginger calls my agent and comes to Canada) and Canadian girls can't feature in the US without a huge battle. Sucky buggers.
They can't actually! The law for the toronto area is that they have to offer the job to a canadian first by advertising for the postition for a certain amount of time. Then all the fees and licenses that the club has to go through are a waste of time! My hubby used to book all the porn stars @ the Wisky in Toronto. That club used to pay big money for the porn stars but they don't anymore because of all the hoops they have to jump through now!
Callyish
05-25-2008, 03:06 PM
I have said it a hundred times before, but I will say it again here. Features in US start out at $50/show for their VERY FIRST gig, which is what you are making up there for your entire career. If they prove worthy of continuing then they immediately get bumped to $100/show and eventually $150/show. Kitty's agent WAY overprices their features at $200-$350/show. This is WAY over priced for really being nobodys.
These #'s are strickly for showgirl features, not adult stars who make tons more for club appearances. Please keep in mind that featuring in the states is so different than featuring up there!
Ahaha I wouldn't even ponder taking my clothes off for $50 a show. Sorry. Okay, maybe for a jam show where I don't do a theme or anything but wander around a dance floor for 14 minutes i'll do it. No way in hell though would I even consider featuring for $50.
Anyway I just don't get it. To me a feature should be someone who dances and entertains.
Just the difference between here and there I guess.
cutey5032
05-25-2008, 05:33 PM
Do a lot of American girls go to Canada to feature?
Callyish
05-25-2008, 05:38 PM
^^^ No its a fairly rare thing now. It used to be common(god knows why.. Canada has/had LOTS of fantastic entertaining features) but not so much now with the visa restrictions.
Darcy Foxx
05-25-2008, 06:00 PM
When we used to have international (mostly Canadian) feature dancers come to the Horse, the standard varied so fucking greatly. The features got paid a base wage of $1200/week (compared to my wage as a house stage performer - $400/week) and some of them were absolutely awful. Not only that, they could charge whatever they wanted for lap dances... some were charging $150 for a one song lapdance *coughJusticecough*
This girl was by far the best I ever saw at my club... she is one of the most beautiful looking girls I have ever seen in my lifetime, this pic does her no justice at all.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg189/ashofgodsgirls/l_c7322603e8c95293eca131e85814d2ee.jpg
IMO, if you're getting flown overseas with all expenses paid and also being given a wage that's triple what the house girls get paid for half as much work, that is the kind of standard features should be held up to. We used to get SO annoyed when some of these girls would come over who were so plain looking, who did really boring shows with lame costumes and get paid so much more than some of our house stage girls who danced better, had better costumes, did a more entertaining show and were way prettier.
Callyish
05-25-2008, 06:07 PM
Oh I agree with you Darcy. Im not saying all Canadian features are great either btw. There are some that make me want to bang my head off a way *coughsheenacough*
Was Justice really charging $150 a song?! Thats fucking nuts! Please don't tell me guys paid that. Im sorry I can't call that chick a feature. Maybe its my own personal problems I have with her(mainly ripping me off like $500 for a BROKEN tub).
I think Mandy Carlten is gonna be back your way soon. Now thats an awesome girl!
I do have to agree about Ginger Jones. Total hotness and the sweetest personality ever. Her silks show is to die for!
Darcy Foxx
05-25-2008, 07:42 PM
Sheena... don't think I ever saw her. But I did see a couple of awful ones.
I heard Kelly Kayne is coming back over here later in the year, if she does I'm definitely gonna pop into the Horse one night to see her show again, she was another fucking incredible one!
scarlett_vancouver
05-26-2008, 01:31 AM
I find featuring to be really anticlimatic. I think to be a successful feature, a girl has to really enjoy the attention, the glamour, the lifestyle. If those are all extra annoyances in the way of $$ (as it is with me), well...I just don't put in the effort needed to put on a really good show, and I know it, so I get embarassed being announced as 'the feature'.
Girls definitely get pushed into it. I was, and continue to be...I resist it every step of the way, but still about 1/3 of my booking end up being feature bookings. So those shitty features you see, who don't seem to want to be the feature...they probably don't! lol
Jenny
05-26-2008, 05:54 AM
I dunno. I can't really get worked up about what someone "deserves" in this business. To me this is one of those pure market things - if she can get it, she deserves it. Like is someone wanted to pay me $150 a song, I would view that as money I earned and deserved whether or not I was as beautiful as that photo; if someone were willing to pay my airfare and and a high weekly pay - ditto. Although did I read this right - did I read that there is now lapdancing in Thunder Bay?
jaizaine
05-26-2008, 07:14 AM
Yuck that chick is fugly. I honestly don't think she would get hired at my club for real.
mollyzmoon
05-26-2008, 08:41 AM
I dunno. I can't really get worked up about what someone "deserves" in this business. To me this is one of those pure market things - if she can get it, she deserves it. Like is someone wanted to pay me $150 a song, I would view that as money I earned and deserved whether or not I was as beautiful as that photo; if someone were willing to pay my airfare and and a high weekly pay - ditto. Although did I read this right - did I read that there is now lapdancing in Thunder Bay?
It's what I call lapdancing, when a girl is straddling a guy, leaning back and jack-hammer grinding him with her naked crotch, Liz Berkeley in the pool-style. Rubbing boobs in his face, guys getting grabby. Call me snotty, but that's more than I do in Ottawa for $20, so it is irritating when a girl wanders over and does it next to me for $10, and my customer looks at her, looks at me, and decides he'd rather that...
Now it's still easy-peasy to sell table-ish dances there, but at least a quarter of the guys I danced for seemed to want grinding and to touch me. Non merci! For ten dollars and those 6min songs. It's better when it's later at night, and the Americans will pay $20/ song, tip you like crazy on top of that, and tip you on stage like $60-75. That's better. Until they say 'oh hey, some girl came with us to our cabin last year for 1500. That's good cash. You wanna party too?'. That was kind of disturbing to me, I dunno why. Being totally isolated and gang-banged by some fat old fishermen. Eww. And that they really really wouldn't stop asking me that, like several of them. Plus did I mention the guy who assaulted me on stage, after stealing the stage tips I made? And that no one said boo, so I had to wrestle him off, yelling and swearing at him until he left? I was so upset by that. Lol. Thunder Bay was really no fun this week.
kitty260
05-26-2008, 09:09 AM
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Callyish
05-26-2008, 09:13 AM
^^ Pham doesn't listen. Just like he ignored me when I tried to tell him that one of his house girls was letting customers finger her during table dances. He got all up in arms about it and defensive. Most of the bouncers do their job... there is one though who fucking sucks and all hes worried about is getting into your pants and when you deny him he gets pissy and ignores you.
Jenny
05-26-2008, 06:21 PM
Wow. I got a dirty look from that one chick because I sat in a chair and looked like I was getting off without even touching my crotch. That's a downhill slide. How'd that happen?
Callyish
05-26-2008, 06:23 PM
Oh god Jenny its not the same as it was the first time we went out there *sigh* Remember how pissy girls got over our 'lesbian show'? Yea umm chicks are truly going at it on stage 10 times worse then we were now. It makes me shake my head and wonder.
scarlett_vancouver
05-26-2008, 06:30 PM
Tbay is on the precipice. You can still make money doing clean dances, IF you're not working with dirty dancers. Myh income there hasn't gone down, but my turnover is a lot higher. I have to work harder for the same amount, doing air and low contact dances.
The last time I was there, a girl was letting guys finger her; a dancer caught her and went berzerk, got her booted.
It's stripper-rule there, we have to enforce it ourselves. If the girls don't make an effort, girls will give bjs in the parking lot. If we do, you can still make money on air dances.
Weird place.
Callyish
05-26-2008, 06:33 PM
Ahaha yea I caught a girl being dirty there once so I threw my shoe at her from the stage. Everyone laughed and the girl got pissy and went home. All the other girls thanked me.
TBay is weird... the girls def have to enforce the rules amongst themself.
Jenny
05-26-2008, 07:14 PM
I was considering another trip. I only just recovered from my last one. I'm not much for confrontations with people, so for lapdances.... meh. I'll stay here.
Callyish
05-26-2008, 07:19 PM
Oh you wont need to 'confront' anyone lol. The other girls take care of that.
Come work with me Jenny. You can use my changing room so you don't have to deal with the other girls lol. I'll protect you from everyone :P Its not really lap dancing. I still air dance there, as do many girls.
VegasPrincess
05-26-2008, 07:23 PM
Dang! And I thought I was a fat stripper lol!!! That girl is big as a house, and not cute at all!