View Full Version : Bringing a gun to work
Lollobrigida
05-26-2008, 11:41 PM
I am sorry, I just joined and mostly read around here and not post, but I have to say something. Getting a gun and thinking it will be "super fun" to join a gun club is not the right attitude. Guns are very dangerous and unless you are comfortable with them and know for a fact that you wont have a problem using it, you shouldn't even think about carrying it with you! It will take a lot of practice to get used to handling one let alone shoot it if need be. I agree with everyone around here, pepper spary and tazers for much better against an attack than a gun. I just don't think it's right for you to have this random idea about bringing a gun to work if you never shot one before. I understand that you could be scared here since other people in the US are allowed to have guns, but in the end, when it's between you and another person, it isn't so easy to pull the trigger if you get attacked.
Callyish
05-27-2008, 12:23 AM
Yea well we might ban guns for our citizens but at least it makes our country safer. I don't care if they're exporting. As long as they're keeping them off our streets as much as possible it makes it a much safer country.
Im not saying we don't have gun crime or other crime but at least its minimal and I feel safer here then I would in say.... Detroit.
ramona13
05-27-2008, 10:08 AM
I totally agree with the point that proper training is required and guns are serious business. I have joined my local shooting range and am enrolling in a gun safety class, as well. Target shooting will be super fun for me, but that's my preference. I have carried lots of piece of mind weapons in the past. Pepper spray, a large, heavy hammer, and I still keep a knife in my car. I would never bring a gun into a building which it is prohibited to do so. I see how I could have come off as irresponsible in the initial post. Thank you for your response.:)
LuckyOne
05-27-2008, 10:15 AM
I am all for the right to bear arms... but the thought of drunk strippers with loaded guns makes me laugh. Sorry!
Electrum
05-27-2008, 10:47 AM
Yea well we might ban guns for our citizens but at least it makes our country safer. I don't care if they're exporting. As long as they're keeping them off our streets as much as possible it makes it a much safer country.
Im not saying we don't have gun crime or other crime but at least its minimal and I feel safer here then I would in say.... Detroit.
I am so jealous of the Canadians! I hope that I can move up there eventually. Even if somehow America did ban guns magically, the people you have to worry about here usually don't have "legal" guns anyway! Detroit gives me the willies. Every time I go there something horrifying happens there. Never fails.
Callyish
05-27-2008, 12:52 PM
I was scared shitless when I was working in Phoenix and the managers were carrying a gun as a side arm.
Im sorry but when guns are such a problem that its required for management of a club to carry one.... yea no thanks.
By banning guns it makes them harder to obtain.
I don't think anyone should be carrying a gun other then say... a cop.
Guns just ask for violence. I would rather carry pepper spray.
LuckyOne
05-27-2008, 12:56 PM
^^^Sorry, OT but SEXY NEW PICTURE Cally!!!!!!!!!!! Beautiful.
Morgan_TX
05-27-2008, 01:35 PM
By banning guns it makes them harder to obtain.
It only makes guns harder to obtain for the "good guys". Criminals will find a way to obtain their weapons, and they don't think twice about breaking the law to do it.
After all, according to a 1997 survey by the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, over 39% of those jailed for a firearm-related offense purchased their firearm from the street or an illegal source. Another 39.6% obtained their firearm from a friend or family member. A higher percentage of non-U.S. citizens (barred under current federal law from firearm possession) used a firearm in commission of a crime than did U.S. citizens. Incidentally, although it is illegal for someone convicted of a felony to possess a firearm in the U.S., 17.2% of repeat offenders used a firearm in the commission of their most recent crime (as opposed to 22% of first-time offenders). Of those recidivists, only 11.4% purchased their firearm from a retail store (6%), pawnshop (3.7%), flea market (1.1%) or gun show (0.7%)--the rest obtained their firearms illegally, from friends or family, or from some other (illegal) source. 8 out of 10 federal inmates who USED a firearm in the commission of their last offense WERE NOT LEGALLY PERMITTED TO OWN A FIREARM.
Yep. Those bad guys can't get the guns now. ::)
Morgan_TX
05-27-2008, 01:42 PM
I don't think anyone should be carrying a gun other then say... a cop.
That sounds great! After all, it only takes a few seconds for a attacker (even an unarmed attacker) to slit my throat, murder me, abduct me, or incapacitate me. So if I'm in New York City and the cops arrive QUICKLY, they should show up about 8 minutes after I'm dead (average response time: 10.3 minutes). Assuming that I can actually call for help, of course. In Nashville, TN, the average response time is about 7-10 minutes. Kansas City? 5-10 minutes AFTER an officer is dispatched (and residents report average hold times of 2-5 minutes). Washington, D.C. is about 9-15 minutes. Tucson takes 5-10 minutes (for Level 1 and Level 2 calls). Houston cops take an average of 10.3 minues to respond to LIFE-THREATENING calls.
Callyish
05-27-2008, 01:52 PM
Yea at the same time though.
Do you not often wonder if the reaosn that things are so dangerous and violent are because of the fact its so damn easy to access a firearm?
Again look how small the stats are for gun violence in Australia and Canada where you can not legally own a firearm.
Canada has big cities... Toronto, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Montreal etc.... and there are still gangs and what not but still I have never felt the need to carry a gun.
I have my pepper spray and thats all I feel the need for.
Carrying a gun just asks for trouble if you ask me. An attacker sees you with a gun there is a strong chance of it being used against you.
BrodieLux
05-27-2008, 02:22 PM
and just so you are aware this kinda makes you look like a troll, not that i am saying you are for sure.
Yeah, actually my troll-dar is going off on Ramona as well. A) Because of her strange post in my thread about working in a high-mileage club, in which she chided those of us who despise extras as acting "morally superior." And B) Because in this original post in this thread, she was asking, "How many of you..." which implies that 'she' is separate from 'us.' As in, not really a dancer.
Just a hunch. ::)
ramona13
05-27-2008, 08:39 PM
Lord. My initial thread on this lovely stripper community was, in fact, a plea for advice on whether or not to return to my club. "Veteran stripper needs advice" (Whoa is me) I received some good advice and was thankful, though I don't see why "newbies" have to act like mute kids or only present a generic "help me I'm lost" type problem on this forum. Since my dumb ass has posted this thread, I noticed some newbies coming out of the dark to post. I think its good to have fresh air. I admit, I am not the most polite internet user, I only have one star so graciously bestowed, and I'm outspoken. Maybe it was rude for me to post an opposing view on your thread, but what gives with the troll thing?
Miss Jessica
05-27-2008, 11:14 PM
Keep it at home. I believe in the right to bear arms, as I do, but you're just being silly. Honestly you sound like someone who doesn't need to own a gun if you're contemplating bringing it into work, then go on SW and ask for advice on this kind of matter? Pffft.
BrodieLux
05-27-2008, 11:36 PM
Lord. My initial thread on this lovely stripper community was, in fact, a plea for advice on whether or not to return to my club. "Veteran stripper needs advice" (Whoa is me) I received some good advice and was thankful, though I don't see why "newbies" have to act like mute kids or only present a generic "help me I'm lost" type problem on this forum. Since my dumb ass has posted this thread, I noticed some newbies coming out of the dark to post. I think its good to have fresh air. I admit, I am not the most polite internet user, I only have one star so graciously bestowed, and I'm outspoken. Maybe it was rude for me to post an opposing view on your thread, but what gives with the troll thing?
We have of late had a number of people posting questions that are clearly fake and designed only to rile members up. When called out as trolls, those folks generally admit it and either delete their accounts or their posts. If you are not a troll, then I apologize for accusing you of being one. It's not personal, just that we have had a few recently.
I'll leave the other thread in other thread, except to say that it's not a matter of differing opinions at all. Go over there and you'll see what I'm referring to.
cobaltsomber
05-28-2008, 08:49 AM
Try considering a tazer. There are fewer laws involved, thus less involvement from the courts (meaning more time at work).
If you shoot someone, chances are there will be more people to deal with then just them. For example, disgruntled friends and family, civil law suits, media attention (which might not look good for the club owner), regret, etc..
A .38 is a pretty hefty piece of metal with some serious stopping power, also with some decent recoil. If you still decide to say "forget you, buddy!" and still go with the gun, try something smaller such as a .22 or 9mm. They're more compact (or even subcompact like XG or Walther), and have a less likely chance of killing your target if you decide to hit them in the limbs to get away. In the Navy, we were always taught to aim for center mass.. guess I'm fucked either way.
Melonie
05-28-2008, 09:29 AM
^^^ I'm going to disagree with Cobalt in regard to 'smaller' calibre handguns. If the purpose of having the handgun is in fact self-defense, then a primary goal of the handgun is to PUT DOWN an assailant before they can harm you. There is no way that a .22 is going to do more than piss off a would be assailant unless you have super-accurate aim and manage to hit the carotid artery or an eye, which is never going to happen if the person holding the gun is under threat of imminent attack. Police departments have generally dumped .38 calibres because they don't have sufficient bullet energy to knock down a would be assailant with a randomly located hit. I certainly woundn't recommend going any smaller than 9mm, and prefer 10mm = .40 S&W for my own self-defense handgun. There are ways to deal with the recoil issue (like magnaporting) if it IS an issue, but in general dancers' wrist strength is much stronger than the average housewife (thanks to pole work) and can tolerate quite a bit of 'kick'.
ramona13
05-28-2008, 11:57 AM
To Miss Jessica:
It really wasn't a mistake coming here to discuss bringing guns (omg!) and other weapons to work, though I never asked for anyone's advice. Not surprised that there are many intelligent ladies in the SW community who are knowlegeable on the subject and able to debate gun control issues, what types of guns, etc.
Those who want to question my sanity or otherwise be insulting, blow it out your ass. (And Jesus, I would never bring it into an establishment that the state deems illegal.) At first I wanted to defend my character whenever it was questioned, but it has turned out to be a battle that I just don't care to fight anymore.
cobaltsomber
05-28-2008, 12:06 PM
We can all agree to disagree.. then again it takes maturity to do this :-X
misslizzy
05-28-2008, 12:14 PM
I want a tazer so bad. I had one once, and was pretty comfortable with it. It would be great to have for not only those times I have to leave the car after work, but also on the long ass late night interstate trips I make often.
I'd love to learn to shoot, but even in my situation (young-looking cute chick, frequently travelling alone, late at night, on interstates), it'd be a long time before I felt ok carrying one.
maximvsv
05-28-2008, 12:43 PM
One of the things to consider is when you are armed, but you aren't the target of someone's violence.
A few weeks ago, on a Friday night, I left Delilah's in Philadelphia and walked to the Sicilia Pizza place on Spring Garden just down the block. It is on Spring Garden, between Front (which is kind of like an alley at that area) and Columbus (which is the big street up and down the waterfront). I got some pizza and while I was sitting there, a bunch of people who had recently left Solo nightclub came in, as is usual for the place. At one point, some guys came in and stepped in front of a lady at the front of the line at the counter.
The lady complained to the guys, and someone who was apparently a friend of the guys decided to get up from his table behind me and intervene. He got into what looked like a simple, drunken Friday night argument with the lady and her boyfriend. As it progressed, he pulled an old .45 from under his shirt, holding it by his side but eventually making gestures with it. It didn't look like he was getting ready to shoot at someone, but was just holding it while he continued to argue.
Now, I have a concealed carry permit, and several pistols that I could have been carrying. Since I already know that I am prone to panic in a bunch of other situations, I almost never carry a pistol unless there's already a reason and plan for the situation. This was one of the majority of times when I left everything at home.
Even as the situation unfolded, I was wondering what would have happened if I was armed, and whether I ought to get involved before a shot got fired off. Would that inspire the fellow at the counter to start shooting? Did his friends also decide to bring firearms to the late-night pizza place after they had left the nightclub (and its metal detectors) behind?
I waved a couple of people to the door who had not yet seen the guy's pistol, and sat and watched the situation unfold. At that point, the lady was trying to keep between the gunman and her boyfriend, which apparently indicated that the boyfriend was now the focus of the gunman's argument, while the whole group of them managed to shuffle to the door and take their argument outside of the pizza place. The lady and her boyfriend backed away, and before the gunman could decide to do anything else, there were five marked police cars and three unmarked cars, a bunch of plain-clothes police and a bunch of uniformed police on the scene, disarming the guy and arresting him.
There had been four or five "let out" shootings in Philadelphia in that period, when people would get out of nightclubs, retrieve guns from their cars, and decide to continue whatever argument they had from inside the club. Apparently, there are a bunch of cars assigned to the area, since one or two of these happened in front of Solo or in the area.
Anyhow, to get back to the original topic, several dancers have stopped in there after Delilah's or Zee-Bar (D's owner's daughter's after-hours place next door) closed, and any one of them could have been there. If it was you, would you want to be in the position of being armed in a shop with a bunch of other people, and where you weren't the focus of the altercation? If you are going to carry a pistol, do you think that you'll be able to stay clearheaded enough for every situation?
CherryBomb954
05-28-2008, 11:43 PM
I bring my stiletto switchblade with me, cause I take cabs home and there have been some stories about cabbies being shifty with the dancers.
As far as a gun, I could get away with it (AZ is super liberal on guns) but I just couldn't imagine packing our glock in with my shoes and thongs.
Corgan
05-29-2008, 05:24 AM
Canada has big cities... Toronto, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Montreal etc.... and there are still gangs and what not but still I have never felt the need to carry a gun.
my thoughts exactly. i was never, ever scared of violence/harm to myself while i was in vancouver. i heard about gang violence and shootings but, chances were, if you got shot you had it coming.
Corgan
05-29-2008, 05:25 AM
Keep it at home. I believe in the right to bear arms, as I do, but you're just being silly. Honestly you sound like someone who doesn't need to own a gun if you're contemplating bringing it into work, then go on SW and ask for advice on this kind of matter? Pffft.
she is in new orleans. that place is fucking scary now. i have heard $$ was good there, but no amount of money is worth my life.
lotsoffun201
05-29-2008, 06:23 AM
You better be very very careful. I have had a concealed carry permit for a long time and there are a few things you need to be completely aware of.
1. Don't drink at work, if you get stopped on the way home for whatever reason and you have to take a breathalizer, you will lose your carry permit and worse.
2. If someone breaks into your locker and takes your gun, you could be in for big trouble especially if it was used in a felony.
3. a 38 is not the best choice for protection, as most police officers don't carry them anymore. You only have 6 chances and unless you are real good with a speedloader you could be in trouble. Most confrontations last only a few seconds though. I assume your 38 will be a snubnose, and they are ridiculously innacurate after about 20 feet. Semi autos are better, but you have to really be comfortable with them. Consider a 380auto since they are smaller and more accurate with more rounds, but also more expensive.
4. Most importantly, if you heaven forbid find the need to pull it out, be prepared to use it, and also be prepared to kill someone. You might not get a second chance. If you find yourself in that unfortunate position, and you hesitate, you could be dead. I know that sounds kind of mercinary like, but its the truth.
5. Consider a taser instead for carrying to work. There are tasers available which deliver almost 900,000 volts. Trust me, they will bring down ANYONE unless they are wearing a very heavy jacket, and even so, the sound they make when you test fire one is enough to scare away any potential attacker.
morgantx
05-29-2008, 11:25 AM
maximvsv, I want to address what you mentioned:
First off, let's be perfectly honest here--as females, if we are attacked, we will likely be attacked at close range, where a firearm will do us very little good. A knife would be the best bet in such a situation, because pepper spray or a taser can be unwieldy to use at close range. We are NOT likely to be "attacked" at a distance, and that is when a gun is most handy. In our homes? That's a different story--they you will be more likely to be able to get off a good shot, as your attacker may be at a greater distance from you. But just being out walking around? Our guns are likely to be useless because of the close range to our attackers.
That said, guns are MOST useful for HELPING OTHER PEOPLE!
From www.volokh.com/posts/1212034090.shtml:
On Sunday May 25, 2008 at approximately 2:30 a.m. the Winnemucca Police Department was dispatched to the Players Bar and Grill .... There were approximately 300 patrons in and around the bar....
The officers on scene discovered three adult males who had died from obvious gunshot wounds. Two additional gunshot victims were also located[, treated, and released from the hospital]....
The ... investigation lead detectives to believe that [Ernesto Fuentes] Villagomez entered the bar and at some point began firing multiple rounds. At least two of these rounds struck and killed the other two decedents, Jose Torres age, 20 and his brother Margarito Torres, age 19 both of Winnemucca. At some point during this shooting spree Villagomez allegedly stopped and according to witnesses reloaded his high capacity handgun and began shooting again.
It was at this point that ... [a 48-year-old Reno man] produced a concealed handgun and proceeded to fire upon Villagomez who succumbed to his wounds. The Reno resident was in possession of a valid Concealed Carry Permit issued through the Washoe County Sheriff’s Office.... [T]he shooting of Villagomez by the Reno man was [concluded to be] a justifiable homicide ....
The investigation is currently pursuing a lead that indicates that this event may have been the result of a long standing feud between several families....
and
Remember the Virginia school shooting? The law school in rural Virginia? Remember how it stopped? Two students went to their vehicles, retrieved their firearms, and convinced the gunman to drop his weapon AT GUNPOINT.
maximvsv
05-29-2008, 05:48 PM
It's a good point, but that doesn't mean that any particular intervention to help out other people will work. Sometimes it will, and sometimes it will make the situation worse. All I am pointing out is, if you are going to go around armed, you have to be prepared to make decisions in those sorts of circumstances. Some people aren't.
I've taken mine to work, but left it in my vehicle. But we had an increase in carjackings in the area, and a gang cop friend of mine warned me about some new stuff going on with gangs, so I keep it handy. Don't take it into the club, though. That's what bouncers are for.
morgantx
05-30-2008, 06:29 AM
It's a good point, but that doesn't mean that any particular intervention to help out other people will work. Sometimes it will, and sometimes it will make the situation worse. All I am pointing out is, if you are going to go around armed, you have to be prepared to make decisions in those sorts of circumstances. Some people aren't.
I gave you two instances of an armed citizen who helped protect others from violence. I can give you more if you'd like.
How many cases can you give me of an instance where an armed citizen made the situation worse? And FTR, when I use the term, "armed citizen", I'm referring to a law-abiding citizen who is attempting to defuse a dangerous situation, usually one with all the proper licenses and permits to carry his firearm.
But I do agree with you that if you're going to be armed, you have to be prepared, and that preparation BEGINS with your firearm safety/concealed carry course.
maximvsv
05-30-2008, 05:47 PM
I wouldn't know where to look to find some sort of report like that. I'm not sure that it's even possible to document what could have happened differently.
VegasPrincess
05-30-2008, 11:54 PM
I'm a firm believer that citizens being allowed to carry concealed weapons cuts down on crimes.
Living in Nevada, where CCs are very popular, there is a low incidence of convenience store robberies, car jacks, etc... and why is that? Because criminals know that the motherfucker behind the cash register is not an easy target, as he is likely armed.
I mean, let's assume I work in an office in Nevada....and some lunatic comes in firing off rounds at people... if I had the good fortune to see him coming in, I would possibly have the time, as would SEVERAL of my co-workers, to grab my own gun out of my purse, steady my hand on my cubicle, and cap that motherfucker in the head.
If the same incident happened in Wisconsin, I could only hope to drag my phone under my desk and call 911 and pray that the guy didn't see my shadow from under the desk and unload his 17th round into my chest....which he would probably have hours to do, seeing as how the police would create a stand off / hostage situation before entering the building. So, I would probably be dead.
The sad reality of our country is, we're beyond talks about oh maybe we can get the guns of the streets. No, we really can't. I would be damned if I gave up my right to bear arms, leaving me at the mercy of would be attackers!
Lysondra
05-30-2008, 11:58 PM
I'm a firm believer that citizens being allowed to carry concealed weapons cuts down on crimes.
Living in Nevada, where CCs are very popular, there is a low incidence of convenience store robberies, car jacks, etc... and why is that? Because criminals know that the motherfucker behind the cash register is not an easy target, as he is likely armed.
Living in Australia where it's illegal and having just checked my state's crime report (I do so every day), I can honestly say there's been ONE case of a gun being used in a crime in my state in at least the last three months. Just to offer a counter comment.
gingerlee
05-31-2008, 12:17 AM
I am all for the right to bear arms... but the thought of drunk strippers with loaded guns makes me laugh. Sorry!
That's what I was thinking. I've was at a club a few weeks ago where the whole staff except the dancers carried guns on themselves at work. It was redneck bumfuck nowhere in TN, but it was probably one of the safest places I have ever been. Now if the dancers (one or more) had guns....I'd have been scared shitless. Strippers with guns at work is just asking for trouble at some point.