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scarlett_vancouver
05-26-2008, 08:03 PM
lol.
:rotfl:
yeah, ok, I will.
G-Real
05-26-2008, 08:04 PM
OK lets say it was me,....and from TheTempest and the yahoo group said K-Rock was there. That would be like me finding my way out there, cuz my friend who DJs for K-Rock could have been there. Doesn't matter that I had a reasonable but still strange excuse, the outcome is still stalkerish....the story is an excuse and thats all it is.
Ladies' night is, in itself a definition that no men should be there. There no way to confuse that.....unless there was an invitation, which still would have made me suspect something was up, and would have contacted someone.....
TheTempest
05-26-2008, 08:04 PM
Yeah, which girls???
The girls who were present at the time of the "crashing".
Hysterical, that the person who had stalker issues is the same one accused of giving info to a "stalker".
:rotfl:
So hyprocritcal at this point!!!
Hmm... stalking really isn't that funny.
RoseLeigh
05-26-2008, 08:04 PM
Yeah, which girls???
Who are you furious with?
Sorry-he mentioned it at Stalker's Night. And apparently to others beforehand? Not suprisingly, I don't chat with Shot. He just said NYC.
Furious at the can't tell, oooh behind the scenes nonsense.
TigersMilk
05-26-2008, 08:05 PM
Trust me, our 'in-person' experience was completely different. And he didn't belong at Ladies Night.
Tell me how it was different.
TheTempest
05-26-2008, 08:06 PM
OK lets say it was me,....and from TheTempest and the yahoo group said K-Rock was there. That would be like me finding my way out there, cuz my friend who DJs for K-Rock could have been there. Doesn't matter that I had a reasonable but still strange excuse, the outcome is still stalkerish....the story is an excuse and thats all it is.
Ladies' night is, in itself a definition that no men should be there. There no way to confuse that.....unless there was an invitation, which still would have made me suspect something was up, and would have contacted someone.....
Actually none of the DJs were there. They sent 3 of their street team and I'm pretty sure that they sent them to more than one club since they were only there for about an hour.
Although you're right, I may have mentioned it on the boards here. Which means it could be anyone on SW.
Jenny
05-26-2008, 08:07 PM
Ladies:
there were complaints early in this thread about "censorship" and how you thought you should be able to discuss this issue like adults. May I suggest that the best way to keep this thread open is to keep it more to "let's share the information we have about this breakdown" (to use DR's term) and less to "Let's burn the witch!"
Lonelily
05-26-2008, 08:08 PM
Okay. Here's what you all wanted, after a bit of piecing things together, and the opportunity to first speak to the people this directly involved.
This is all my fault. I fucked up. I did NOT invite Sh0t to a place that he was not welcome. At no point did I say he should come join us, or even give him our exact location. However, he did call me while I was drunk and I unknowingly gave out a defining characteristic of the bar we were in--apparently, this bar is the only one in NJ with such a characteristic, making it extremely easy to find. What I did was NOT intentional and I didn't even realize it was the cause of this mess until tonight, when it was brought to my attention. I never shared info with TOO either.
I fucked up. I'm unbelievably sorry and if I could go back and change it, I would. Now that you've all gotten the explanation you want, I hope that this drama can be laid to rest. If I have to leave the site for that to happen, so be it, but I want for the people directly involved in this NOT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS RIDICULOUS DRAMA ANYMORE. They don't deserve to have to stress over what should have been an amazing weekend for them. So flame away, do what you need to, and let's end this.
Lady Jade
05-26-2008, 08:09 PM
how on earth did you know where he was staying?!
He told me specifically which borough he was going to be in for a family event that weekend. Easily an hour from where we were in the middle of bumfuck nowhere NJ.
How long on SW was it ok to be added on the Yahoo group?
It was by anonymous poll in the group. I did it that way so that legitimate people didn't feel like they were being persecuted just for being new. I gave everyone a chance to speak up before I added the newbs and NO ONE voiced concerns to me until after they had been added and details about the fest had been discussed. I did remove them before the events actually took place, though.
TheTempest
05-26-2008, 08:09 PM
He showed up where he was specifically told he should not be. It's extremely disturbing that someone would make that much of an effort to arrive at a place far from where he was staying and was explicitly unwelcome. It's fair to call it stalkerish.
Tell me how it was different.
Umm... I responded to your earlier post. This thread is moving fasssst.
High_Heel_Lover
05-26-2008, 08:11 PM
Well there you have it.
The girls who were present at the time of the "crashing".
Hmm... stalking really isn't that funny.
Sorry you didnt catch the sarcasm. It wasnt really directed at you anyway. But whats really not funny is if the leak IS infact one of the girls in the group.
Just sayin.
Okay. Here's what you all wanted, after a bit of piecing things together, and the opportunity to first speak to the people this directly involved.
This is all my fault. I fucked up. I did NOT invite Sh0t to a place that he was not welcome. At no point did I say he should come join us, or even give him our exact location. However, he did call me while I was drunk and I unknowingly gave out a defining characteristic of the bar we were in--apparently, this bar is the only one in NJ with such a characteristic, making it extremely easy to find. What I did was NOT intentional and I didn't even realize it was the cause of this mess until tonight, when it was brought to my attention. I never shared info with TOO either.
I fucked up. I'm unbelievably sorry and if I could go back and change it, I would. Now that you've all gotten the explanation you want, I hope that this drama can be laid to rest. If I have to leave the site for that to happen, so be it, but I want for the people directly involved in this NOT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS RIDICULOUS DRAMA ANYMORE. They don't deserve to have to stress over what should have been an amazing weekend for them. So flame away, do what you need to, and let's end this.
DING DING DINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
I also think you could have told your "friends" before hand, instead of acting surprised.
Thats shady...yet AGAIN.
TheTempest
05-26-2008, 08:13 PM
Sorry you didnt catch the sarcasm. It wasnt really directed at you anyway. But whats really not funny is if the leak IS infact one of the girls in the group.
Just sayin.
I'm going on a SW break again. I'm being overly bitchy.
It wasn't. It was extremely stalkerish behavior by Sh0t.
RoseLeigh
05-26-2008, 08:14 PM
Tell me how it was different.
Sure! He was rude to Tempest right off the bat, trashing Jersey and generally acting like a tool, when we told him he had to leave because it was creepy refused to do so and told us he was crashing Saturday with the other invited party. When Temp went to get the bouncer he just sat there with an idiot smile on his face and kept saying 'what?'. Thankfully he didn't have a thing to say to me, except to pretend he didn't know which Rose I was. He talked some smack to LJ, which I don't remember b/c I was just worried she was going to leap across the table and strangle him.
Sorry but pretending you don't know that driving 100 (or whatever, a LOT) of miles to the middle of nowhere to crash a ladies night with people you KNOW don't like you or don't want you there is asshole-ish.
G-Real
05-26-2008, 08:15 PM
Well there you have it.
true.....but, us guys on the yahoo site could see the details. So knowing the details isn't the issue per-se. Its actually showing up is what the issue is; which appears to be a more individual trait.
'
TheTempest: I figured Nik (DJ) wouldn't be there, they hardly do remotes anymore......alas he is 1/2 the reason for my screen name....
'
TheTempest
05-26-2008, 08:17 PM
true.....but, us guys on the yahoo site could see the details. So knowing the details isn't the issue per-se. Its actually showing up is what the issue is; which appears to be a more individual trait.
'
TheTempest: I figured Nik (DJ) wouldn't be there, they hardly do remotes anymore......alas he is 1/2 the reason for my screen name....
'
Nope. Pretty much no one showed up.
VenusGoddess
05-26-2008, 08:18 PM
Aren't we supposed to keep her previous screen name private? She deleted her account and came back for stalker issues, so you might want to edit your post.
EDIT: Thanks SV.
You need to go back and edit your post, then. You quoted SV and it left LL's previous name up...just saying. :D
TigersMilk
05-26-2008, 08:21 PM
Umm... I responded to your earlier post. This thread is moving fasssst.
It is fast. Just read RL's reply. That would probably piss me off too. He's never acted that way around me.
Sorry LL but Sh0t told me you did invite him.
VenusGoddess
05-26-2008, 08:22 PM
Okay. Here's what you all wanted, after a bit of piecing things together, and the opportunity to first speak to the people this directly involved.
This is all my fault. I fucked up. I did NOT invite Sh0t to a place that he was not welcome. At no point did I say he should come join us, or even give him our exact location. However, he did call me while I was drunk and I unknowingly gave out a defining characteristic of the bar we were in--apparently, this bar is the only one in NJ with such a characteristic, making it extremely easy to find. What I did was NOT intentional and I didn't even realize it was the cause of this mess until tonight, when it was brought to my attention. I never shared info with TOO either.
I fucked up. I'm unbelievably sorry and if I could go back and change it, I would. Now that you've all gotten the explanation you want, I hope that this drama can be laid to rest. If I have to leave the site for that to happen, so be it, but I want for the people directly involved in this NOT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS RIDICULOUS DRAMA ANYMORE. They don't deserve to have to stress over what should have been an amazing weekend for them. So flame away, do what you need to, and let's end this.
After piecing it together???
Ok...sure. You can remember now that you told him when you were drunk, but couldn't before?
::)
Just remind me never to let you join a SWFest that I attend.
As for RIDICULOUS DRAMA...it could have been avoided if you'd just fessed up to it to begin with, like back in the original thread and told the other people who attended what a fuck-up you made (or attempt at playing 2 sides at once). But, you chose to just keep your mouth shut and let it all go. Seems to me, you've taken some courses in the "Lunarobverse Way to Deal with Fucking Up".
seraya
05-26-2008, 08:26 PM
LMAO it is hilarious to me that people are so fucking "furious" that I won't reveal my sources but yet LL has to consult with her secret sources before she can post her explanation and yet no-one has anything to say about that. Did I not say before that maybe LL herself would not appreciate me divulging such information?
If i was trying to be "snarky" or a "trouble maker" I would have made known a whole lot of shit public but that wouldn't benefit anybody, least of all LL.
Rose, Tempest with all due respect I don't owe either one of you any explanation. My original post was directed at Lonelily... and I could give 2 shits if I comes across as bitchy or whatev... The people who *know* me, trust me and they know that I wouldn't start shit just for the hell of it.
Sorry but at this point I am getting rather pissed of myself. So I'm just gonna sit back and wait for LL's response
Mastridonicus
05-26-2008, 08:26 PM
Hysterical, that the person who had stalker issues is the same one accused of giving info to a "stalker".
:rotfl:
So hyprocritcal at this point!!!
And that's exactly correct.
First off, I mean really, people that weren't implicitly invited, and/or no involvement should really take a step back. I mean, outside of the potential risk of personal safety and knowing who it is to protect yourself, it's really none of your business. I can understand Dottie Rebel and she's right, but this has turned into a witch hunt.
Objectively, sh0t is banned, and this is a StripperFest. Regardless of his invite, if he requested to maintain any integrity in the site at all, based on Dottie's desire for this thread, he should have politely refused any invite and asking for special arrangements.
Instead he was allegedly invited, he showed up, and he got removed.
Look, I hate to call it like it is, but this is a STRIPPERFEST founded and owned by STRIPPERWEB from which he is BANNED which would assume all invitations and welcome to any event with that title be revoked.
Sh0t is a man of integrity. I honestly believe that. I also believe that it's defined by him. He's knew he was not involved in the planning and/or execution of this event and should have stayed out and made separate plans. He didn't and he succeeded in doing what he always does, cause a rukus.
Now, he ALSO shouldn't have been invited. So it's a Grey area and he suffered some embarrassment as a result, but this is hardly the venue for it. For whatever reason we're pointing the "You should have known better" at the "leak" and not the person who was, well BANNED FOR DOING THINGS HE WAS ASKED NOT TO DO.
So really, he got the information somehow. This being a person who clearly brags about being so informed where others are not. It is trivial. Even with no "leak", if sh0t wants the info, sh0t will get it. He's fucking brilliant and I'll be the first to point it out.
Instead, I look at the motives. What do you really want people? Beyond the secrecy and the third parties wanting to remain anonymous bullshit. What's to come of all this?
Sh0t has friends on SW, one of them allegedly invited him to an event that he should have known better through all other avenues that it wasn't a place for him to be at, he showed up, he was asked to leave, no one got hurt, good times where had, and here we are.
What are we trying to do?
RoseLeigh
05-26-2008, 08:27 PM
LMAO it is hilarious to me that people are so fucking "furious" that I won't reveal my sources but yet LL has to consult with her secret sources before she can post her explanation and yet no-one has anything to say about that. Did I not say before that maybe LL herself would not appreciate me divulging such information?
If i was trying to be "snarky" or a "trouble maker" I would have made known a whole lot of shit public but that wouldn't benefit anybody, least of all LL.
Rose, Tempest with all due respect I don't owe either one of you any explanation. My original post was directed at Lonelily... and I could give 2 shits if I comes across as bitchy or whatev... The people who *know* me, trust me and they know that I wouldn't start shit just for the hell of it.
Sorry but at this point I am getting rather pissed of myself. So I'm just gonna sit back and wait for LL's response
Actually it wasn't you I was furious at!:P
VenusGoddess
05-26-2008, 08:27 PM
^ She gave her response, dear. A few posts up. :D
Lady Jade
05-26-2008, 08:30 PM
Mast, I was simply looking for whoever leaked the information to own up to it and apologize to those of us who were involved in the event. Nothing more, nothing less. I truly feel, with the hoops I jumped through to make the event as secure possible because of specific requests from attendees, that I of all people deserved an apology.
Mast, I think the point mainly that LL gave out information and then made it look like she never knew it. She pretty much made him look like he "found" a way there... she GAVE him that info. She is full of it when she says that she just "happened" to describe a bar in Jersey. I mean, lets be real here.
She gave him the info and she is now admitting it. Or atleast trying to cover herself up somehow.
Mastridonicus
05-26-2008, 08:31 PM
listen, all I'm saying is that should we make it out to be so, there is a lot of blame to pass around. That being the case, why can't we, at least, define the results we're looking for now that the truth is "out".
I do respect all parties involved. But let's accept one thing: We just aren't going to clean all the fog off this glass window. Pieces to this puzzle will be missing forever because all parties involved are holding some pieces. What do we do with that?
seraya
05-26-2008, 08:32 PM
Actually it wasn't you I was furious at!:POh I am sorry :hug: Whew calm down Seraya LOL
RoseLeigh
05-26-2008, 08:33 PM
Mast, I think the point mainly that LL gave out information and then made it look like she never knew it. She pretty much made him look like he "found" a way there... she GAVE him that info. She is full of it when she says that she just "happened" to describe a bar in Jersey. I mean, lets be real here.
She gave him the info and she is now admitting it. Or atleast trying to cover herself up somehow.
Seriously, it's idiotic. I was really trying not to be witch-hunty and apparently for naught. Remind me not to defend people in the future.
Mastridonicus
05-26-2008, 08:35 PM
Mast, I was simply looking for whoever leaked the information to own up to it and apologize to those of us who were involved in the event. Nothing more, nothing less. I truly feel, with the hoops I jumped through to make the event as secure possible because of specific requests from attendees, that I of all people deserved an apology.
And you are absolutely deserving of this. Did you get what you wanted? I mean, LJ, You BUSTED your ass for this event. Of COURSE you deserve an apology, but can I ask one thing, as anyone spoke on behalf of, or sh0t himself apologized to you for unknowningly crashing an event you worked hard to secure on the invite of someone else that wasn't you? Because, I know I would apologize, especially if I was implicitly told by you that it was a woman's only night.
Again, I'm not making sh0t out to be the bad guy, but I'm pointing out some equal blame here, we just seem to be doing an aweful lot of bloodletting on the one person who seems to want to represent herself.
And really, if sh0t wanted to, he would.
Seriously, it's idiotic. I was really trying not to be witch-hunty and apparently for naught. Remind me not to defend people in the future.
;)
Lots of us would not just "throw" the blame on someone if we were not sure.
And you are absolutely deserving of this. Did you get what you wanted? I mean, LJ, You BUSTED your ass for this event. Of COURSE you deserve an apology, but can I ask one thing, as anyone spoke on behalf of, or sh0t himself apologized to you for unknowningly crashing an event you worked hard to secure on the invite of someone else that wasn't you? Because, I know I would apologize, especially if I was implicitly told by you that it was a woman's only night.
Again, I'm not making sh0t out to be the bad guy, but I'm pointing out some equal blame here, we just seem to be doing an aweful lot of bloodletting on the one person who seems to want to represent herself.
And really, if sh0t wanted to, he would.
Mast, did you not see that LL gave Shot this info? It wasnt like he crashed and no one knew! She invited him!
Mastridonicus
05-26-2008, 08:37 PM
and yes, I'm partial. I'd go to bat for anyone I met, especially at a party as awesome as that was. That's what infuriates me. Anyone that was there with malicious intent, I guarantee doesn't have any now. This was too awesome a bunch of people that I feel too entirely lucky to know.
RoseLeigh
05-26-2008, 08:37 PM
;)
Lots of us would not just "throw" the blame on someone if we were not sure.
Yeeeahh, I know. I just want people to have their say before the sentencing. I know it's not the SW way.
Jay Zeno
05-26-2008, 08:38 PM
Well, I dunno. You have someone who says, "It was me," and you have an apology and an expression of contrition.
You can wangle more about the motives or happenstance, about whether this person just made a mistake or shouldn't be trusted, or the details or lack thereof in the explanation.
But at the core of it, you have an admission and an apology. Lady Jade should get a personal apology. I think that's what the inquiry was about. My suggestion is to take that core fact, move on, and focus on maxmizing dancer income, minimizing life's hassles, and ensuring the security of your next get-together. I say that, resigned that it won't happen, and there's more digging that will be done - but that's my recommendation.
High_Heel_Lover
05-26-2008, 08:38 PM
What a fucking mess.
I am not as eloquent as many of you are with words so I'll just say it how I know how, I do not like liars, if a person fucks up damn it fess up and deal with what happens, you learn from it. We all do. I learned that drunk and phones don't' mix. Also that when someone isn't invited to a place dude stay the fuck away, if you are not wanted why the hell do you want to be there? waste time, gas, money, anger people and then more shit is tossed from person to person, but then again I already knew this but apparently not everyone.
Lady Jade
05-26-2008, 08:40 PM
And you are absolutely deserving of this. Did you get what you wanted? I mean, LJ, You BUSTED your ass for this event. Of COURSE you deserve an apology, but can I ask one thing, as anyone spoke on behalf of, or sh0t himself apologized to you for unknowningly crashing an event you worked hard to secure on the invite of someone else that wasn't you? Because, I know I would apologize, especially if I was implicitly told by you that it was a woman's only night.
Again, I'm not making sh0t out to be the bad guy, but I'm pointing out some equal blame here, we just seem to be doing an aweful lot of bloodletting on the one person who seems to want to represent herself.
And really, if sh0t wanted to, he would.
I don't hold high hopes for getting an apology from Sh0t. And honestly, if he were still ON THE BOARDS, there would be plenty of things said to him as well. Since he's not, attention is being given to people who are on the boards. He can't read any of this nor does he have a way to directly respond. However, if someone wants to pass this message on to him...
Sh0t, you're an utter jackass for what you did on Friday. Regardless of whether or not you were invited, ladies' only means just that. For your invitation to have any sort of validity, it needed to have the input and agreement of ALL parties present. As it wasn't, you showing up was not cool. I had no beef with you before, but you better believe that I do now. You are very lucky that I didn't have more to drink or I can't guarantee I wouldn't have lost my temper.
Mastridonicus
05-26-2008, 08:41 PM
Mast, did you not see that LL gave Shot this info? It wasnt like he crashed and no one knew! She invited him!
Again, I agree that was wrong. But we're talking about Sh0t here. One of THE alpha males (well known personalities) on stripperweb. He's KNOWN for pushing boundaries. I LIKE the guy, but I submit to you, that I know if *I* were him, I would have turned down the invite because A) I knew it was ladies only, B) The person who put together the event didn't invite me, and C) I'm banned from SW.
He's a gentleman. He could have made plans to see LL one of the 7 other nights she was in town.
Lexi, I'm not blaming sh0t here, just negotiating the facts. He had some control in this, and he needs to accept some responsibility. If LL was planning to get him involved, well he was too. If she was randomly inviting him, he could have randomly refused.
BrunetteGoddess
05-26-2008, 08:41 PM
You need to go back and edit your post, then. You quoted SV and it left LL's previous name up...just saying. :D
CRAP...
RoseLeigh
05-26-2008, 08:43 PM
Again, I agree that was wrong. But we're talking about Sh0t here. One of THE alpha males (well known personalities) on stripperweb. He's KNOWN for pushing boundaries. I LIKE the guy, but I submit to you, that I know if *I* were him, I would have turned down the invite because A) I knew it was ladies only, B) The person who put together the event didn't invite me, and C) I'm banned from SW.
He's a gentleman. He could have made plans to see LL one of the 7 other nights she was in town.
Er, obviously not a gentlemen. Nor brilliant.
Mastridonicus
05-26-2008, 08:46 PM
Really though people, you're ALL correct. I just thought it's a little unfair. LL deserves, to a degree, what she's getting, but I don't like it looking like sh0t has no responsibility in this.
On that note, I apologize for offending anyone, and hope I made sense. It was a great time, and even if Sh0t showed up Sat, I would still have had a blast. I do not mean to offend anyone, just please, have a little forgiveness and understanding for when you need it.
seraya
05-26-2008, 08:47 PM
*this thread moves too fast*
Well fuck me! FINALLY we have an admission....This was all that I asked for.
LL I'm not about to skin you alive, that wasn't my intention. I just wanted you to fess up and apologize. Thank you.
Hopefully those of you who accused me of being a shit stirrer will eat those words.
My job is done.
Again, I agree that was wrong. But we're talking about Sh0t here. One of THE alpha males (well known personalities) on stripperweb. He's KNOWN for pushing boundaries. I LIKE the guy, but I submit to you, that I know if *I* were him, I would have turned down the invite because A) I knew it was ladies only, B) The person who put together the event didn't invite me, and C) I'm banned from SW.
He's a gentleman. He could have made plans to see LL one of the 7 other nights she was in town.
Lexi, I'm not blaming sh0t here, just negotiating the facts. He had some control in this, and he needs to accept some responsibility. If LL was planning to get him involved, well he was too. If she was randomly inviting him, he could have randomly refused.
She did it behind everyone's backs, and then LIED to everyone to-their-faces about "NOT" having done so.
BrunetteGoddess
05-26-2008, 08:55 PM
I'm confused. I'm pretty sure I read that once people got the admission of guilt and an apology from LL/whoever was responsible for inviting sh0t, that people would cool down. I don't see that; it seems as if she had never even spoken. What more is wanted? An apology from sh0t? Do you really think that's going to happen?
I understand people are still steaming about it, but you got what you said earlier you wanted. Can we please go back to normal? She admitted she fucked up big time. Regardless of whether you believe how she fucked up, the point is she admitted it and apologized. She didn't ask you to hug and kiss and forgive her right away. She even offered to leave the site. Come on now. If you want something else, put it out there, don't just keep yelling at her, that doesn't get anybody anywhere.
*this thread moves too fast*
Well fuck me! FINALLY we have an admission....This was all that I asked for.
LL I'm not about to skin you alive, that wasn't my intention. I just wanted you to fess up and apologize. Thank you.
Hopefully those of you who accused me of being a shit stirrer will eat those words.
My job is done.
Same here
:highfive: Seraya
RoseLeigh
05-26-2008, 08:57 PM
Lexi, I'm not blaming sh0t here, just negotiating the facts. He had some control in this, and he needs to accept some responsibility. If LL was planning to get him involved, well he was too. If she was randomly inviting him, he could have randomly refused.
When has he ever accepted responsibility? He just does his dirty work through other venues now. Hobbies. He needs them.
I am glad for the admission though.
scarlett_vancouver
05-26-2008, 09:00 PM
sh0t isn't here to defend himself, which is why this shouldn't be about him or his actions.
Lady Jade
05-26-2008, 09:07 PM
sh0t isn't here to defend himself, which is why this shouldn't be about him or his actions.
Bingo. Wasn't there a whole big shitstorm about people attacking others who weren't there to defend themselves not too long ago?
Mastridonicus
05-26-2008, 09:10 PM
Right Scarlett, but I believe his reasons for being banned recently are an essential part of this situation. And it IS about him, since he's appearance is the cause for all this. The question is how he got there, and I am just saying I think, invite or not, if he wanted to be there, he would have showed.
Rhiannon
05-26-2008, 09:29 PM
Not for nothing, but he wouldn't have even made that appearance at the event if he wasn't fed the information. So we can stop trying to defend and protect the person who leaked the info. He wouldn't have figured it out on his own, no matter what anyone thinks--he isn't THAT intuitive or bright. Stop giving him so much credit. Seriously.
And the reason why he decided to go there? He LOVES being talked about, he LOVES stirring shit up, and loves being an all-around jackass. Doesn't take much brainpower to figure that out.
Now I feel for all the ladies that were there and had to deal with a person that they were VERY adamant about not wanting to see--some to the point of saying they wouldn't even go if he would be there. But I truly feel for LJ. She went above and beyond to make sure that things were private. It's really a shame that someone from the inside was feeding the shit out, and especially one who she opened her home to. It's so fucking classless and wrong.
Now you all can save the "Blah blah blah, you weren't there, blah blah blah" because I don't give a shit to hear it. I had planned on attending for a while, and one of the main reasons I didn't was that I just felt that something like this would happen and I'm not one to keep my cool with shit like this. I'm just too old for that kind of bullshit.
:hug: LJ :hug: