View Full Version : Who belongs on SW?
LilyLove
05-27-2008, 12:08 PM
It's so bloody easy for real dancers to figure out when someone is posing. We need to quit letting everyone and their dog sign up here.
Yeah. There's someone with a relatively low post count (200ish) who I just know is not a real dancer and is IMO probably a guy. But S(he) has been posting more frequently lately and of course pretty much exclusively in sex related threads. ::)
RoseLeigh
05-27-2008, 12:14 PM
She's getting on everyone's nerves. Like, she's not industry, hasn't been here for long and has fucking 4000 posts? That is absolute bullshit and a total waste of server space. She and the rest of the ones like her don't belong on the site at all.
All the industry folk will come back if we make the entire site INDUSTRY ONLY. It's so bloody easy for real dancers to figure out when someone is posing. We need to quit letting everyone and their dog sign up here.
I know, but it's obviously not occured to her, hence the need for someone to have a word instead of posting where she probably doesn't read anyway.
I really hope Pryce is reading all this! Pryce-we need one of those 'Leave quietly and we won't ban you' sort of posts. Please? And then the banning.
Jenny
05-27-2008, 12:16 PM
Guys again - if you want to keep this thread open try to keep the discussion to policy and less to specific finger pointing at individuals. If you have an issue with the specific individual report the post or even A post along with your suspicions.
This is member boards. Nobody is going to warn you and clean it up, it'll just be locked or deleted.
VegasPrincess
05-27-2008, 12:50 PM
So my question is this... does anybody else LIKE the Lounge, or Ladies Only? Those are actually probably my favorites on this board, I think they're fun. And I'm a stripper and have been for damn near as long as anyone, except a couple people on this board?
Callyish
05-27-2008, 12:55 PM
I love Ladies Only. I just wish it was made more private.
I also like the lounge... I think its great because it helps with the social aspect of the site. At the same time though im sick of all the non industry people around here.
Djoser
05-27-2008, 12:55 PM
How did he acquire 1400 posts in six months? All fluff and flirting ass kissing, and what's even worse, is that some dancer at one time was posting about fucking him!!! Yes, major systematic FAILURE right there.
Maybe he's trying to emulate others who have done the same thing, and been practically worshipped for it by weak people. Hopefully the changes coming to the site will alleviate this situation.
kitty260
05-27-2008, 01:21 PM
There's nothing wrong with The Lounge, per say, but I still think it would be even MORE enjoyable if it were limited to dancers and industry. See what I'm getting at? Stripperweb should be limited to industry only. I'd have more fun saving turtles if I was doing it with other dancers instead of random wannabes.
RebeccaSolidarity
05-27-2008, 01:40 PM
well, as someone who wants to be a stripper (very much) but has way not enough confidence (as several have pointed out before) when it comes to dancing and is actually really very clumsy as evidenced by my first audition and really probably should not be posting on any stripping-related threads until i go out and audition again at the very least......
would it be possible to sanction different sections of the site. basically restrict access to the strippin related sections to the strippers, and keep the off topic stuff basically off topic. that sort of solution is probably kind of byzantine but it could work. cause the lounge and other off-topic areas kind of rock the fleas knees and at least in the case of a few of them i do not really see how the arguments of some folk in this thread apply to the off-topic areas.
also i keep hearing 'industry related' get tossed around and up until now i thought i knew what that meant but now i am not so certain. is it specifically the stripping industry or is it the broader adult entertainment industry. cause i am not sure but maybe some people have different ideas on that or something and it occured to me that it is kind of vague.
i dunno.
Lady Jade
05-27-2008, 01:43 PM
^^^ The Stripping forums (except CC) were designed for the dancers, not for wannabe posers, know-it-all-customers/promoters, and other such asshats to post in, but they do it anyway! Non-industry really needs to stay out of those areas.
RebeccaSolidarity
05-27-2008, 01:46 PM
right.
but again: what industry?
the stripping industry specifically? or the adult industry in general?
i know that i for one would like to know since i work in the adult industry but not the stripping industry (they need to make pills for confidence) and i am not really interested in being someplace where i am not invited, but it is kind of impossible to tell if things are kept vague.
edited to add: but that is just my stuff so whatever, private messages are probably better on that front. though i do think there is probably some kind of solution to the problem that does not involve name calling and other kinds of mean behavior. like is this paarticular thread really -doing anything constructive- if all people are going to do is backbite someone who they cannot even name, when a direct approach is probably more effective. same deal across the board really. again i tend to try to assume the best but people might actually listen if they were talked with rather than name-called at and so forth. then again they might not. but im not sure people are here specifically to ruin stripperweb or detract from important work related conversations and all of that.
they might actually listen if approached.
Lady Jade
05-27-2008, 01:50 PM
right.
but again: what industry?
the stripping industry specifically? or the adult industry in general?
i know that i for one would like to know since i work in the adult industry but not the stripping industry (they need to make pills for confidence) and i am not really interested in being someplace where i am not invited, but it is kind of impossible to tell if things are kept vague.
For me, personally, it doesn't matter what industry we're talking about - jackass customers and other non-strippers do not belong in the Stripping forums. No matter how much "insider" information ES thinks he has on the industry, he does NOT belong in Club Chat, ya know?
RebeccaSolidarity
05-27-2008, 01:56 PM
*snort*
:p
well i think that makes sense. like i said, maybe the stripping-related forums could have restricted access of some kind. i do not think the programming necessary for that is so difficult. it could solve a lot of problems without any sort of vast overhaul of the social environment or anything like that. just have new members explain why they should have access to those forums when they join, existing members whose status might change at some point and warrant access could then request it, and so forth.
it is a hard solution as opposed to the soft solution of just behaving differently, and hard solutions are usually way more efficient anyway. that is just my recommendation anyhow, take it for what it is worth.
:)
LatinaRose
05-27-2008, 01:56 PM
right.
but again: what industry?
the stripping industry specifically? or the adult industry in general?
Since the site is called STRIPPERweb I think its clear what industry we are referring to. If we were to invite every field of the adult industry, this wouldn't be stripper web.
I think dancers (former, current, and future) belong on SW. Customers (male or female) belong on the blue side. It wouldn't be so basement-like if everyone who enjoys the fluff was forced to go there for it.
Jenny
05-27-2008, 02:03 PM
First - I would suggest there is a different between a fledging stripper and a non-stripper.
Second - the problem with your idea is that we don't want the site to be dominated by a non-stripping agenda. We don't want to cram the strippers behind closed doors; we want to cram the non-strippers behind closed doors. We don't want a few areas that are stripper-only; we want a few limited areas that are customer friendly. Apparently we attract too many hangers-on who don't have the good judgment to maintain that balance, so we DO need a social overhaul which will entrench it. Unfortunate, but true.
*snort*
:p
well i think that makes sense. like i said, maybe the stripping-related forums could have restricted access of some kind. i do not think the programming necessary for that is so difficult. it could solve a lot of problems without any sort of vast overhaul of the social environment or anything like that. just have new members explain why they should have access to those forums when they join, existing members whose status might change at some point and warrant access could then request it, and so forth.
it is a hard solution as opposed to the soft solution of just behaving differently, and hard solutions are usually way more efficient anyway. that is just my recommendation anyhow, take it for what it is worth.
:)
beauty21queen
05-27-2008, 02:04 PM
I wish ladies only would only be viewable to you know......... ladies! And should probably have like ,"you need 100 posts before you can view or post type of thing." So we know it's not a fake.
RebeccaSolidarity
05-27-2008, 02:05 PM
i see your point.
that is unfortunate though, but yeah, i see your point there.
doc-catfish
05-27-2008, 02:08 PM
We could in many respect create the kind of "industry only" website that some of you want. God knows that it would save Pryce a ton on bandwidth. In fact, there are other stripper forums that do exactly that, but lets face it, they're not SW and do not get anywhere near our numbers. It does befuddle me how so many here want a "gated community" atmosphere, yet it seems so many more are attracted to the very elements that go counter to that.
For those who haven't been here that long, let me give you all a bit of SW history.
Back in the day, there were no "off topic" sections on either pink or blue. What is now the Lounge was once the old SG board. LO was basically SG with no men allowed. One of the reasons that those boards were dropped to an OT section is because they were becoming contaminated, not just with posts from non-industry people but with subject matter that was clearly non-industry.
BB and DD were also dropped to the "off-topic section for much the same reason.
CC was originally intended as board for dancers to talk about customers amongst themselves, not to them. Pryce more or less changed the function of this board to its current state because thats where the demand was.
Pink and blue had their own separate URLs. There to my knowledge was no link on either site that led you to the other. The blue URL still works, it just redirects to the blue subforum on SW.
PP was created as a dumping ground to keep political threads out of other forums. As you can see by the carnage in there, it did tend to polarize a lot of people, practically to the point where we had to treat it like Chernobyl reactor #4 and lock it down.
The community boards were created soon thereafter to be the new dumping ground. I think in many respects it has worked a lot better, for the simple reason that the CB's can be collapsed. Frankly, I think we should do that with every section on here.
________
All of the changes that were made were essentially made because thats where the community demanded that it go. I do admit that SW has lost some of its original focus, and that it might be a good idea to get some of that back, but much like the previous changes made, we're going to have to consider existing boards "contaminated" and start with new ones, with strictly enforced posting restrictions in place. The other idea would be a categorical ignore feature where a member could block entire categories of users and give themselves the type of interface they desire, all while their neighbor still has theirs.
VegasPrincess
05-27-2008, 02:15 PM
Here is maybe my issue... I DO come on here for work advice. But I really enjoy the personal relationships I have formed with some members on here.....some of them being non-dancers. I appreciate their posts. I would hate to see them leave.
I guess for me personally, I enjoy connecting with other members, I enjoy the socialization with people in the industry or who accept the industry. But I really don't need a lot of advice on how to hustle or whatever, I've pretty much got that shit under control. I perfer the more personal aspects of the sight. Does that make sense?
Pryce
05-27-2008, 02:16 PM
Guys again - if you want to keep this thread open try to keep the discussion to policy and less to specific finger pointing at individuals. If you have an issue with the specific individual report the post or even A post along with your suspicions.
This is member boards. Nobody is going to warn you and clean it up, it'll just be locked or deleted.
QFT..
Madcap
05-27-2008, 02:16 PM
I like SW primarily because it is a female dominated board. I tend to like/get along with women to a greater degree than i do men. That's why i stayed when the novelty of the 'Stripper' angle of Stripperweb wore off. That said, i do have an embarrassingly high post count (a sizable percentage taking place early on, not sure HOW sizable but something significant). I tend to limit things to the Lounge and CC (well, and drooling over boobies in pic post since we're being honest), with a few rare exceptions.
There's a lot on SW that is just stupid for a guy to intrude into. Take Stripping General for instance. Nothing a guy can add. I think i was active once in a thread on SG when some retard decided to post how mean strippers were after he took their pictures on a cell phone and then was stupid enough to get on stage for the birthday dance ("Hi, motherfucker, you're about to be the target of 10 girls pent-up hostility towards fuckheads that take their pictures! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!"). Hustle Hut? I might be able to tell you what might get ME in the private area or VIP, but not with any accuracy. I know what turns me on in my living room, but with the lights & atmosphere of a strip club combined with the sex appeal of the right dancer that might be two different things. Not much i can add. Dancer territory, no Madcaps allowed. Club Chat: I can maybe post about Saint Louis clubs. Maybe...
What i'm getting at is that there's not a lot of SW that I, as a male-customer, can add to.
So what does that mean?
It means, and i looked at this damned screen for five fucking minutes before continuing, that it's the social part of this site i like and can add to. I can't add a lot to what the site's actual mandate really is. I can see where the likes of VG, B, Kat, Kitty, Jaizane etc... are coming from. They are not just coming off this from nowhere. They are upset about NOT the mere presence of men, if they were upset about that they would have been voicing this a couple of years ago. They are upset about men/non-dancers/non industry folk posting all over the site and in every thread. And, putting myself in their position i would be too. This is theirs, we are threatening to take what is theirs from them. That isn't cool. Anyone would react in the way they are reacting.
Fucked up thing, for me, is that i don't want to go to blue! There's snakes in that water (Not to mention that it's completely dead and pink isn't).
This thread kinda makes me sad, but only because i can see the truth in it. Truth sucks sometimes.
EDIT: Spelling error so bad i lost IQ points just looking at it.
seraya
05-27-2008, 02:22 PM
LOL kitty girl you are on a roll
ITA with the vast majority here and I think it is about time we had this out.
Stripperweb is primarily for and should be for industry related folks... If your are not a stripper and/or in no way affiliated with the industry it is pretty disrespectful to be posting aaaaaaallllll over the board about random irrelevant shit or posting your irrelevant opinion in a stripper related thread that you have no business posting in. Also the fluff shit needs to STOP....Cerously. It is irritating and so effing childish.
I don't post in the stripping general anymore so I am probably just as guilty as some of the non-contributing members here... but I find it hard to relate to a lot of stuff in the SG seeing as my exp is limited to upscale gentlemen/gown clubs in the UK... which differ slightly than the average strip clubs in the US (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen's_club). However SW (Hustle Hut and Dollar Den in particular) has been a wealth of information to me and in the 5 years that I have been a member I have made some kick ass friends so even though I am no longer in the industry I ain't going anywhere. I will try to make more of an effort again though to post in threads where I can offer helpful, USEFUL advice.
So my question is this... does anybody else LIKE the Lounge, or Ladies Only? Those are actually probably my favorites on this board, I think they're fun. And I'm a stripper and have been for damn near as long as anyone, except a couple people on this board?I don't really care for either one tbh. I hardly ever read Ladies Only and I only read certain threads in the Lounge.
Sophia_Starina
05-27-2008, 02:23 PM
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Jenny
05-27-2008, 02:26 PM
My friends - my friendly stripperweb peeps;
Way down in site issues is a thread dedicated to discussing this and issues like this in the light of the recent survey. How do you find this thread, might you ask?
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116607
And what are you expected to discuss here, outside the word "Discuss"?
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/announcement.php?f=135&a=15
Read, peruse and share your wisdom.
BalletBaby
05-27-2008, 02:57 PM
I wish ladies only would only be viewable to you know......... ladies! And should probably have like ,"you need 100 posts before you can view or post type of thing." So we know it's not a fake.
Yeah, I would also love for ladies only to be private. It pisses me off when guys post on other parts of the site about reading there>:( Like seriously, why do you care about our vag and man problems???
It also annoys me when people w/o ribbons post in there.
Oh yeah, and the people who do nothing but comment on boobie and ass pics. I could go on....
VegasPrincess
05-27-2008, 03:43 PM
This is all I have to say. I feel like some of the very valued, very cool male members of this site are being lumped in a catagory with the weirdos. If we went to make this site only stripper friendly, from now on, I suggest that at least the males who have never caused any problems and who have been on the site for YEARS get grandfathered in. That's all.
Mastridonicus
05-27-2008, 04:14 PM
I think that this is a great way to get to the bottom of things, and I agree completely with JayZ and VenusGoddess. If the rules were to change, and I was not welcome, I would gladly leave and not take it personally. Especially if it contributes to the site's better function, and I believe in doing that enough to gladly bid adieu.
Making the site changes has 100% of my support.
jester214
05-27-2008, 04:29 PM
I've read it all, and while I agree with a lot of what people said, and with what Mast just said about leaving if rules change, deep down I still fill like "customers" (which I think is basically a substitute for men) are getting blamed for some problems which aren't entirely (I said entirely, meaning some of it is our fault) our fault.
VenusGoddess
05-27-2008, 04:39 PM
If everyone will take a moment and think about what I said: I did not say that NO non-industry should be here...but that they should NOT be posting all over the boards, they should NOT be outposting the dancers.
Which is what we're running into. I've been here for almost 5 years and have racked up 14,000 posts (a lot of them from when I was still a dancer). There are newbies here who have been here less than a year, who are not industry and have racked up 4,000 posts. How many of those posts go to help dancers with their hustle, find a club, etc? There are several people I can think of off the top of my head where you could delete every single one of their posts and never miss a one of them.
That being said, I never said that I thought Casual Observer (I still want to meet your hot woman, dammit. ;) ), Madcap, Jay, and the handful of other long-term non-industry, stripper friendly posters should have to leave. These posters respect what this board is for. You will not find them posting ass-kiss posts in every single thread all over the board (or even worse, posting that in every thread multiple times). What I want is a board that is back to being FOR strippers and having posters like the above-mentioned (I didn't mention everyone, so no one get upset) respect the site for what it was intended for: Strippers.
Since Pryce was gone for so long, and we got such an influx of non-industry, fluff, posers here...the site got away from what it was intended for.
Yes, I think it's great that some use it for a social outlet. I was a stripper and I went to work to make money and not friends. I wouldn't share my stripping "secrets" with other girls in my club because 1) I never sat down to talk to them long enough and 2) I never wanted to make any kind of connection that way...I just never trusted any of them. So, yes, it was nice to come to a place (even online) where I could connect, learn more, share more, and feel like I wasn't "alone".
There needs to be clear lines in that sand. Non-industry folks belong MAINLY in blue. However, should they decide to spend their time here...they ONLY allowed here, here, and here. That's it. It's almost like going to a club. You're not a manager, a bouncer, a DJ, or a dancer/stripper...yet you feel that you should have access to the dressing rooms, the kitchen, the bar, the management office, and the cash room? No, you only get access to the general bathroom and the main floor.
It should be like that here.
And, TOO...I would never cut your spleen out with a dull knife. I would only use a plastic spoon. ;D
I've come to like some of the non-industry posters here. I've become friends with some of them, as well. It doesn't change the fact that if they were to post in a section that is not for them, I would still bring the smackdown on them just as hard as anyone else. I might say it a bit more nicely, but it would still happen.
That's all I have to say on this issue.
britt244
05-27-2008, 04:53 PM
Agreed. Honestly, I don't get on earth a non dancing woman (one that will NEVER dance and never has) would want to be on here and why on earth constantly post? Isn't there other forums that are appealing?
qft.
^^Maybe instead of the bitching, one of the mods could have a word with said poster? I like her personally, but there is a lot of fluff around.
what would they say, exactly? "so.. why are you here? this site is for strippers..." i mean, i dont think that can be made any more clear but it still isn't coming across.
So my question is this... does anybody else LIKE the Lounge, or Ladies Only? Those are actually probably my favorites on this board, I think they're fun. And I'm a stripper and have been for damn near as long as anyone, except a couple people on this board?
i like them. but i do NOT like them because i'm here to chit chat with anyone. i'm here for the STRIPPERS.
really anything that i would need to say has been said. i get creeped out getting messages about drugs from customers, esp when they, uh, KNOW that would get to me, i get irritated at girls being here who don't dance or didn't dance, etc. it's stripperweb. pretty self-explanatory.
Jenny
05-27-2008, 05:03 PM
really anything that i would need to say has been said. i get creeped out getting messages about drugs from customers, esp when they, uh, KNOW that would get to me, i get irritated at girls being here who don't dance or didn't dance, etc. it's stripperweb. pretty self-explanatory.People please! Please! For the love of god! REPORT THESE PMs. If someone is soliciting you for drugs or prostitution or even just work (uninvited) through private message; if they are harassing you, insulting you or refuse, upon your request to stop messaging you - please report it. They are probably doing it to all sorts of other people and we don't know about it because NONE OF YOU WILL TELL US!
britt244
05-27-2008, 05:10 PM
^ in this situation, he wasnt soliciting me or anything.. just constantly pming me saying he did coke last night or man he wanted some coke.. just really weird things. when i told him to cut it out, he did. i guess i just didnt say it soon enough for fear of being offensive (lol yes really).
doc-catfish
05-27-2008, 05:11 PM
I know its probably not the popular sentiment to say this, but if some folks had their way and every person or category of people they didn't feel belonged here were to disappear tomorrow, they'll likely just create new enemies from whomever is left. If we expect this site to be funded by member contributions in the future and not a single party, this parochial attitude is going to have to change.
By the looks of Pryce's post on the Site Issues board, some of what I suggested is in the works. I guess we'll soon see how it flies.
Hello_Kitty27
05-27-2008, 06:18 PM
....yeah ....forget anything i said here....thank you
britt244
05-27-2008, 06:34 PM
^ its sad to say but there are people who i like, even people who i like a LOT, who really.. shouldnt be here. :-\ it's pretty hard to make the distinction if you break it down into "well this customer is ok bc we like him but this one is creepy" you know? it's a sucky situation all around, i think.
jaizaine
05-27-2008, 06:37 PM
She's getting on everyone's nerves. Like, she's not industry, hasn't been here for long and has fucking 4000 posts? That is absolute bullshit and a total waste of server space. She and the rest of the ones like her don't belong on the site at all.
I'm here to socialise with dancers, not wannabe associated with dancers who have NOTHING USEFUL to contribute to this site.
I have to put up with annoying female custies thinking special rules apply to them at my club, I come here for dancer support and I dont want it here!!
jaizaine
05-27-2008, 06:47 PM
We need to stop making these people feel welcome and just ignore them. If we keep paying attention to them and rewarding them it will keep them over here fluff posting.
Spot on Cally. This is prob the only way to solve it.
beauty21queen
05-27-2008, 06:48 PM
...........
jaizaine
05-27-2008, 06:55 PM
^ She already went to blue.
really?
beauty21queen
05-27-2008, 06:57 PM
..........................
jaizaine
05-27-2008, 07:00 PM
^ There is a post here on MB where she says that .Assuming were talking about the same person.
good. then i might edit my post coz i dont want to contribute to this thread getting closed.
I think it needs to stay coz no doubt it will happen again and hopefully next time people will feel ok to speak their minds earlier?
I'm going to contribute more to work related stuff too.
jaizaine
05-27-2008, 07:34 PM
^^^
It's been said many times in this thread that
ex-dancers
dancers not working at the moment
part time dancers who have other jobs too
current dancers
newbies and
aspiring dancers
are what this site is all about.
TheSexKitten
05-27-2008, 08:07 PM
I know its probably not the popular sentiment to say this, but if some folks had their way and every person or category of people they didn't feel belonged here were to disappear tomorrow, they'll likely just create new enemies from whomever is left.
I kind of agree with this. I believe there's at least some degree of scapegoating that's occuring here, possibly due to the relatively sudden absence of many high post-count members. Our world is changing and we don't like it! ;D
That being said, I think also that if we all made a conscious effort to focus more on dancing-oriented posts that the lollygaggers would be driven out more effectively and more naturally than through strict regimentation. Plus, I'd like the super awesome stripper enthusiast guys and gals to stay, but not the poser noob ones (lulz i went 2 a club 4 tha first tyme can i haz extraz?). Kthxsorry. GTFO!!
Chrissy68
05-27-2008, 08:36 PM
I also think that DJs are more than welcome here. And CERTAIN customers, those like Budai, Madcap, JZ... you know. Not the attention whoring, post whoring annoyances. that's my personal opinion.
crizgolfer
05-27-2008, 08:42 PM
*poof*
gingergrl
05-27-2008, 08:46 PM
I havent posted since my first negative experience here. But I do enjoy the info on the site. Yes I felt a clique type negativity since I was new (I was critiqued on everything from my puestions to punctuation, too sounding to perky and using the term LOL) So Ive have stuck to the site as an informational tool only. That being said ALOT of people did welcome me warmly and I do appreciate that.
NaughtyAngel
05-27-2008, 08:51 PM
I've been a member here since October 2003 and over the years there has been alot of drama but imo it should be for and by people who were or are in the stripping industry. A safe place which is no longer.
Now I have no problem with custies posting but it has gotten out of hand. That's primarily why I stopped posting because newbies were often labelled as "trolls" even if they were not trolls. Keep in mind I have been posting here since about 2003 so I have seen many come and go only to have some pollute this forum.
I miss Pamela. I know some of her antics burst here but she contributed so much to this forum. I notice other old timers have gone too so in that case I think it has gone down hill a bit so I hardly if ever post nowadays. I am not the only one.
Hopefully things change. Hopefully for the better.
gingergrl
05-27-2008, 09:03 PM
I was labeled as a troll at first. But I understand why now. I was just shocked at how quickly I was accused. Yes i admit I was over zealous but that was due to my excitement at finding this site. If I was called that so quickly I shudder to think at all the true "trolls" that posted.
kitty260
05-27-2008, 09:13 PM
I was labeled as a troll at first. But I understand why now. I was just shocked at how quickly I was accused. Yes i admit I was over zealous but that was due to my excitement at finding this site. If I was called that so quickly I shudder to think at all the true "trolls" that posted.
At least you didn't post bear porn. For that, we thank you.
Y'all know I'm never going to give that one up, right? I wish I had siggied that shit before they got banned. There was much hilarity.
Dottie Rebel
05-27-2008, 10:13 PM
I know its probably not the popular sentiment to say this, but if some folks had their way and every person or category of people they didn't feel belonged here were to disappear tomorrow, they'll likely just create new enemies from whomever is left. If we expect this site to be funded by member contributions in the future and not a single party, this parochial attitude is going to have to change.
I think this is fairly patronizing and belies the underlying point which is that STRIPPERweb is not a place for gawkers and friendly onlookers. It is an industry information and networking site.
There are plenty of strippers here that I'd like to smack about the face. But I'd never suggest they should leave just because I don't like their style.
Christany
05-27-2008, 10:36 PM
Since we're now approaching decisions which will affect the foundation of SW, I'd like to add to the discussion. My opinion may also not mesh well with some of the presently expressed, but considering that the changes will affect my usage as well, it's important I express mine too.
First, one of the points I keep in mind when browsing this forum is that, yes, it is a forum intended for industry networking but nonetheless, it is still a part of the internet. Realistically, this means that there will be browsers, lurkers, curious readers, and industry hopefuls. It just comes with the territory. This is why our mods exist, to regulate and disarm those that act maliciously. This being said, it concerns me to hear of some of the sentiments of 'insiders' vs. 'outsiders' and being able to selectively decide who belongs and who does not. I, of course, do not condone those who troll or harass anyone on this board. But, at the same time, because the industry itself contains so many gray areas, how does one really determine the standards for 'belonging.' I know there are many forums and message boards I personally browse and participate in where I don't exactly fit every standard for 'belonging.' However, I find the information to be relevant and captivating, and try to be respectful and aware of my behavior. If there is anyone else who can honestly say that they 'belong' to every site, forum, and message board they visit, I say, offer up your Bookmarks folder, or your Web History, and we'll see... because once again, it comes back to the fact that it is the internet, an informational resource begging to be surfed. How many of you have browsed through Flickr albums that don't belong to you, or perused over a plastic surgery forum when you've never had plastic surgery? Now, should a member or poster actually act and become unruly, then I agree that prompt action should be taken. But to make broad statements as to who doesn't belong, well, this touches on what someone mentioned before as to the issue of clarity.
When one says that men don't belong, what about the issue of male dancers? There are some clubs where both men and women work in the same brick and mortar, not all are gender segregated. If one of those male dancers has information to contribute about that specific club, then, I would like to know about it, and in my opinion belongs in Club Chat. DJ's, bouncers, barbacks, and other club personnel are also vast sources of information because, yes, they do observe our environments and if there is something that they can share, I'd like to know about that too. So while some may consider their participation a nuisance, I do not, because the main reason I come to this site in the first place is for information, and I can find value in posts that may suggest the climate of a certain city or club, that otherwise I may not be aware of. Also, there are our transgender participants, which may account for why some do not carry a blue or pink ribbon, something to keep in mind. As for our club customers and non-dancers, who here really gets to decide their worth? I can recall some non-dancers posts regarding plastic surgery or music that I found very interesting. As I said before, as long as they are not being abusive towards other members.....
As a solution, I do believe compromise can be made successfully, with an introductory forum open to all, with certain velvet rope sections for those who would prefer more exclusivity. Perhaps either decided by numeric post count, pay for access, invite only, or a formula of karma points (such as I've seen on other forums where members award points for quality of posts). But in calling out for sweeping exclusivity from the initial gate, actually impedes your access to new and current information, as well as mine.