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Sophia_Starina
05-29-2008, 01:52 PM
yeh here we go again. i guess u really are a "mature woman" aren't you with all your sarcasm (the lowest form of wit - suits some).
it's like when u had a go at darcy in a thread for being a model and said some bullshit about her being aussie.

anyway im not getting into this with u. find someone who actually cares what u "think".

BTW I used "u" after reading a few pages of this thread and used it in the plural sense. do u follow? LOL


What on earth does Darcy have to do with this? Leave me out of your delusions.

My vote for biggest problem at SW is the cliquey, childish, BS like this......

Jenny
05-29-2008, 01:53 PM
I would point out that HHL exited with grace and dignity, and probably doesn't require a catfight on her behalf. As well, ladies, I will point out again, that nobody moderates this section and if it turns into a debacle, nobody is going to clean it up for you; it will just be locked or deleted. Please keep it in mind before you respond snarkily, regardless of the provocation.

jaizaine
05-29-2008, 01:53 PM
Sit back. Read and learn. Try to exercise some restraint instead of bombarding the board with posts and threads.

ETA. snap LJ lol

;) that's what i tried to do when i joined. i never posted anywhere but in the stripping related sites until i became more familiar with members on here and wanted to talk about things other than work with them.

i noticed many newbies have trouble with the search function tho which is why a lot of repetitive threads are started. i find the search function doesn't seem to always bring up relevant results too......

jaizaine
05-29-2008, 01:54 PM
What on earth does Darcy have to do with this? Leave me out of your delusions.

My vote for biggest problem at SW is the cliquey, childish, BS like this......

in another thread u flew off the handle and then attacked darcy for being a model. oh u don't remember? whatever....doesnt surprise me. im not deluded but your a total nutjob.


shit ive never had to put anyone on ignore before.

Sophia_Starina
05-29-2008, 01:58 PM
All I know is that I stand by my first post in this thread and if you don't like it, it is your fucking problem.

jaizaine
05-29-2008, 01:59 PM
^^^
because firstly I seriously wasn't referring to your post I was referring to "u" in the plural sense and I found your post offensive.

You have no manners whatsover and no class.

Sophia_Starina
05-29-2008, 02:00 PM
in another thread u flew off the handle and then attacked darcy for being a model. oh u don't remember? whatever....doesnt surprise me. im not deluded but your a total nutjob.


shit ive never had to put anyone on ignore before.



I am so proud to be a member of SW right now. Like I said... the non industry members aren't the issue.

It's behavior EXACTLY like this that has tainted this board.

jaizaine
05-29-2008, 02:01 PM
I would point out that HHL exited with grace and dignity, and probably doesn't require a catfight on her behalf. As well, ladies, I will point out again, that nobody moderates this section and if it turns into a debacle, nobody is going to clean it up for you; it will just be locked or deleted. Please keep it in mind before you respond snarkily, regardless of the provocation.

Agreed. I wont argue any further because this thread is important and should not be locked.
xoxo

dangerousdiva
05-29-2008, 02:08 PM
The only thing I want to add about those who are curious about dancing and/or take years to actually start. Please ask questions but be careful about offering your advice based on hearsay or your interpretation of what you've learned from the board (link to the actual thread you gleaned the info from instead).

I think a lot advice and support about the industry is more helpful if it is based on personal experience.

Just a thought :)

*Iris*
05-29-2008, 02:47 PM
HHL flew the SW building :(

Golden_Rule
05-29-2008, 02:49 PM
I hope I made it clear that I'm not offended. Sometimes when you clean the fridge, good food gets thrown out.

I think it's a healthy discussion. With the survey, discussion with the mods, his own sensibilities, and this discussion, assuming it stays healthy, then Pryce has data to decide how best to develop the site.

This thread is a bit like splitting the atom. It has the power to do good, or it could devolve into picking on certain individuals because they hold unpopular opinions.

If it stays to the former I think it is a wonderful idea.

Like Jay I am far from being offended.

I can think of no true support site for a service industry that allows those served to enter and read, let alone participate, in the discussions that directly involve how those supported think about those to whom they supply services. Since such a site is likely to have much material that is not particularly pleasant for the customer to see and can only negatively impact their opinion of dancers, I can't figure how it can be of any benefit to the dancers to have those customers know their intimate thoughts about those they dance for.

If you wish to maintain the illusion which is the principle profit generator of the strip-club there is no surer way to rip it away than to have customers find their way here, into your privy chamber where you speak your minds clearly and without concern for who is listening.

I wish you Ladies and the management of this site well with this. I hope you reason your way to a solution you all find acceptable and serves you well.

MissTaylor
05-29-2008, 02:54 PM
HHL flew the SW building :(

Didn't you just join yesterday? HHL leaving shouldn't make you sad if you're a noob. She's over in blue... you can go say hi there.

AND you know who Sc101 is.... who are you?

Peanut_Butter
05-29-2008, 02:56 PM
^ No she's not. her account was deleted

MissTaylor
05-29-2008, 03:00 PM
All right well... I'm sure she'll be back at some point.

Golden_Rule
05-29-2008, 03:01 PM
^ Jay, there are certain male members who's input and advice is spot on and welcomed. But since there is no way to pick and choose which men are ok and which aren't, it's better to just say all men. Ya know? So I hope I didnt offend you, or any of the other male members who read this and are cool. I wish there was a way to only allow those choice few men in and keep all others out.

Just so I understand, is it that you mean by those whose 'input and advice is spot on" those men who posts they things they post with forethought, good intentions, and a desire to positively contribute to the thought process? If that is so I say "brava".

If, however, you mean only those who would be 'yes men', who agree to state things the female collective membership wish to hear instead of what is truly their thoughts, then I find that sad and unflattering to those dancers who would feel that way. I mean, if you plan to have men contribute to certain parts of the site here what have you to fear from hearing honest opinion from those men ?

I'm not talking about folks trolling for trouble but those who, when questions are asked, would answer them honestly with nothing but the intent to answer the question they way they truly think.

Just something to conjure about.

wishing well...

RoseLeigh
05-29-2008, 03:06 PM
^^And this is why it should be only industry people. I'm way tired of the ' oh you just don't want to hear any REAAAAL opnions' / 'you're all menhaters' crap.

head turner
05-29-2008, 03:06 PM
I guess my point is ... some of the very people who are sooooo adamant about this are also guilty of posting a TON of BS, as well as asking for advice and opinions about PLENTY of non-industry things, etc. Perhaps next time I see a posting about something completely non-industry related, I can direct you to a more appropriate forum. :)



very well put!!!!;D

RoseLeigh
05-29-2008, 03:08 PM
^^There's nothing wrong with a little fluff or advice on computers or cars or something. The point is having it be stripper oriented.

head turner
05-29-2008, 03:10 PM
Seriously, this is the problem. Everyone can snicker and point when someone's back is turned and they don't know anyone had a problem with it until it blows up and someone says something - publicly -.

She GRACIOUSLY left when people told her she didn't belong. Only after a bunch of people made entire threads about how she shouldn't be here.

Did not one of you think just to tell her directly instead of whispering like highschool children about how you hated her while she continued to be ignorant of her misgivings? How was she to fix ANYTHING if she didn't know what she was doing wrong?

For fuck's sake people. How are any of us to know what we do wrong if nobody tells us? Suddenly there's a lynch mob and she just walks away VERY SWEETLY I might add and bows out when she realizes she isn't wanted.

Don't you think if she had that decency and respect for us to be humble in her departure that maybe -just maybe- she wouldn't been just as humble and understanding just TOLD HER without using entire threads and space and drama and bullshit just to point fingers?

You guys are 12. Seriously. Treat people like adults.



That is a good point too. She wasn't treated fairly and because she bowed out respectfully I feel even stronger.

All Good Things
05-29-2008, 03:10 PM
I can think of no true support site for a service industry that allows those served to enter and read, let alone participate, in the discussions that directly involve how those supported think about those to whom they supply services. Since such a site is likely to have much material that is not particularly pleasant for the customer to see and can only negatively impact their opinion of dancers, I can't figure how it can be of any benefit to the dancers to have those customers know their intimate thoughts about those they dance for.

If you wish to maintain the illusion which is the principle profit generator of the strip-club there is no surer way to rip it away than to have customers find their way here, into your privy chamber where you speak your minds clearly and without concern for who is listening.

My view is the exact opposite of yours. I think SW actually makes (most) of the customers into better customers. I've seen it happen consistently over four years. I'm not going to debate you here about it -- the thread needs to be non-confrontational so it doesn't get locked -- but I'll post my thoughts in the "Does SW make you a better customer thread."

Also, as the owner of a service business in the national security sector, I think the basic thesis that customer participation is dangerous or counterproductive to be stark raving insanity. If I could get my customers to frequent my professional forum, I would be screaming-mimi happy. I spend 80% of my friggin' time in client education, and a significant amount of that in the national media because clients and customers are totally clueless. If I could drag them into watching what we actually do, I would never stop smiling. It's why proper input from customers who are aware of the mission of this site and respectful of it is considered to be "valuable" under the current rules.

head turner
05-29-2008, 03:12 PM
^^There's nothing wrong with a little fluff or advice on computers or cars or something. The point is having it be stripper oriented.


Seriously though, how much industry can you talk? There is stripping general and hustling hut and maybe the club forum, the rest are fill-ins.

I personally don't want to talk stripping, stripping, stripping.

Golden_Rule
05-29-2008, 03:16 PM
We want it to go back to the frosting. Stop trying to eat our fucking stripperweb cake, customers!

The problem is, in the real word [and this is the real world not the strip-club] you can't have your cake and eat it too.

If you want a support site it will work best if you keep customers out, and that is what you should probably do.

If you want a site where men are allowed in to some areas then you are going to get, except for a small group of trouble makers, only a few general types. Among these will be types that will try to fit in regardless of what they have to swallow to do it. I'd argue those types aren't worth very much. They are usually just trying to waggle their way into someone's good graces so they can use them in some way. Then you'll get those who will want to contribute, speak their mind honestly, and not take it kindly if you try to censor them in someway if the only reason you have for doing so is because they have a penis.

People don't respond well to sexism. Just ask Gloria Steinem.

wishing well...

seraya
05-29-2008, 03:19 PM
Also, as the owner of a service business in the national security sector, I think the basic thesis that customer participation is dangerous or counterproductive to be stark raving insanity. If I could get my customers to frequent my professional forum, I would be screaming-mimi happyDon't get me wrong I like many of the customers here and i DO think that they should be allowed to participate on SW... I honestly think it would suck without many of them here.

HOWEVER If the ladies need or require a customer perspective, they know where to find ya'll - STRIP CLUB JUNKIE. This is first and foremost a support site for strippers.. and I think that a lot of people forget this.

RoseLeigh
05-29-2008, 03:19 PM
Seriously though, how much industry can you talk? There is stripping general and hustling hut and maybe the club forum, the rest are fill-ins.

I personally don't want to talk stripping, stripping, stripping.

Exactly. I don't mind hearing about people's lives, or somehting interesting they read or whatev, as long as it's with strippers!

head turner
05-29-2008, 03:19 PM
Exactly!
For the record I like the non industry people - I just think SW & SCJ needs some organising and clearly set boundries. We need some stripper / industry only space - that should be ovbious by now.


That is a good compromise. Industry only sections!!




So, what about all the girls on here who danced for a week and are welcome? Wouldn't you say they don't have enough experience in the industry? What about the fact that she and her husband are interested in ownership or partial ownership of a club?


YOU KNOW WHAT HHL SHOULD DO? dance for a night, would you all say she is welcome then?


ALSO--I don't think it was done with taste of any sort, the way she was told "she doesn't belong," like you guys were talking about a mysterious person behind her back. PLLLLEEEAAASSSEEE!

RoseLeigh
05-29-2008, 03:26 PM
The problem is, in the real word [and this is the real world not the strip-club] you can't have your cake and eat it too.

If you want a support site it will work best if you keep customers out, and that is what you should probably do.

If you want a site where men are allowed in to some areas then you are going to get, except for a small group of trouble makers, only a few general types. Among these will be types that will try to fit in regardless of what they have to swallow to do it. I'd argue those types aren't worth very much. They are usually just trying to waggle their way into someone's good graces so they can use them in some way. Then you'll get those who will want to contribute, speak their mind honestly, and not take it kindly if you try to censor them in someway if the only reason you have for doing so is because they have a penis.

People don't respond well to sexism. Just ask Gloria Steinem.

wishing well...

::) We DO want a site without customers. If we could have ones here who were respectful and contributed something and didn't post about how we're sexist because we don't want their almighty opnion that would be lovely, but as seen here, we can't. And sadly it seems that no matter how much we express that we don't want custies here (not because we hate them, but because it's a stripper site), the only ones that leave willingly are the good ones.

Djoser
05-29-2008, 03:33 PM
I cannot possibly speak for Pryce or his plans for the site, of course. No one should try to do this here.

But I believe he is planning on implementing changes that will provide a lot more space and emphasis on industry-only areas. This would really help matters, as people above have said, and I wholeheartedly agree with.

What I believe we are seeing is not necessarily outright hostility, from the majority of members anyway, but a feeling of exasperation at the tremendous influx of non-industry posting. It's not evil, of course not--but it distorts the focus of the forum, which is for strippers and to serve the stripping industry, above all.

I am anticipating major improvements. Pryce was gone for a while with other commitments, he has clearly returned and is on the case.

From what I have seen of Pryce when he is on the case, we can anticipate clear progress being made. I think we should all quit fussing at each other (including me), show a bit of patience, and see what happens. I think it will be good.

britt244
05-29-2008, 03:35 PM
TOO, i know that if i were at work, hustling some guy, then i found out he knew who i was from here, i would feel very uncomfortable. i dont want my customers knowing my personal business unless i choose to tell them. i dont want them knowing my hustle ahead of time bc ive posted it. sure, in general, it may make some people better customers for other girls. but it doesnt do us any good as individuals, i dont think.

cutey5032
05-29-2008, 03:40 PM
TOO, i know that if i were at work, hustling some guy, then i found out he knew who i was from here, i would feel very uncomfortable. i dont want my customers knowing my personal business unless i choose to tell them. i dont want them knowing my hustle ahead of time bc ive posted it. sure, in general, it may make some people better customers for other girls. but it doesnt do us any good as individuals, i dont think.

YES this nails it. Our industry is MUCH different than most other industries so I don't think that was necessarily a great comparison. We promote a fantasy. Of course, I think its beneficial for customers to participate, in customer-related forums like SCJ, it probably does make a lot of good customers.

MissTaylor
05-29-2008, 03:40 PM
great point Britt.

I can't tell ya'll how many times I've talked to girls from here about how they now have to think twice about EVERYTHING they post because customers read it. One girl has a regular who often talks to her about what she's posted over here. It takes away our sense of security.

Jenny
05-29-2008, 03:55 PM
That is a good compromise. Industry only sections!!
I think the problem with having "industry only sections" the way we have a "ladies only" section is that it will not alter what people are objecting to - that the site is no longer an environment run by strippers for strippers as a professional support site; if we want a social site for people who are or are interested in strippers, that will be great; the whole tension here is that it seems not to be what the dancers here want; check Pryce's survey thread. We want it to be a stripper's site. Making "industry only sections" while leaving the site in general open creates the social site, and crams the professional site into a tiny adjunct box. We don't want that, so you might understand why many of us might not see that as a good compromise.


So, what about all the girls on here who danced for a week and are welcome? Wouldn't you say they don't have enough experience in the industry? What about the fact that she and her husband are interested in ownership or partial ownership of a club?
A) This issue is not about HHL. A lot of people have mentioned the exact scenario that you are outlining. The general consensus among the "industry focused" crowd seems to be that one should be either a professional dancer, a former professional dancer or an aspiring professional dancer to be considered a dancer. Not someone who did a amateur night.


ALSO--I don't think it was done with taste of any sort, the way she was told "she doesn't belong," like you guys were talking about a mysterious person behind her back. PLLLLEEEAAASSSEEE!It is a shame that she was singled out; but nobody said anything bad about her or her character; all that was said was that she was not a stripper, and this is meant to be a stripper oriented board. There were no insults and no personal attacks. I understand she might have felt wounded at being told she was not as welcome as what she thought she was; however let's keep some perspective on what was actually said - that she is an example of a customer who feels entitled to post a great deal on this board.

I think it is nice that you spoke out HT - it is good to hear from the minority and of course it is good for all of us to remember that the minority exists. But just like you don't intend to personally attack people by making a compelling argument for your position, they are doing the same thing. They want to convince you - they are not trying to hurt your feelings. I think you could be taking the fact that a lot of people are disagreeing with you strongly as a personal attack; your posts are getting increasingly defensive.

G-Real
05-29-2008, 03:58 PM
Nothing wrong with being compassionate! There are several non-industry people that I enjoy chatting with, but in reality, they don't have anything to add to the STRIPPING part of SW.

If we make an exception for HHL because a lot of people like her, then who else do we have to make exceptions for? People complain about favoritism running rampant on the boards, and this would be one giant, blatant, glaringly obvious example of it.

But but......aren't you no longer dancing, therefore you don't belong here either :O

BrunetteGoddess
05-29-2008, 04:01 PM
Retired dancers are included in the industry 'umbrella'.

Hello_Kitty27
05-29-2008, 04:01 PM
great point Britt.

I can't tell ya'll how many times I've talked to girls from here about how they now have to think twice about EVERYTHING they post because customers read it. One girl has a regular who often talks to her about what she's posted over here. It takes away our sense of security.

This is actually a public website -as of now at least- and perhaps people should think twice before posting details or pics that will "out" them.

For example, the only people on any of my sites and forums who know where I work are those i have essentially hand-picked and have decided to trust for one reason or another. ONE of my sites has an acronym for my company, but it could be a million different things.

Perhaps some of you should consider being more selective and not so eager for attention and praise (please know this is NOT directed to MissTaylor or Britt...it's just a general comment)

head turner
05-29-2008, 04:01 PM
Jenny- I don't mean to sound so defensive so I will stop. :) I said my feelings on the subject.

Jenny
05-29-2008, 04:05 PM
Jenny- I don't mean to sound so defensive so I will stop. :) I said my feelings on the subject.You're a small minority, so I can understand why you might feel like you're being piled on. The nature of stripperweb though - we all think we can say it best.

But I meant it - I think it is always good for us to remember that there is another point of view and I'm glad that you and the others who share your viewpoint spoke up.

Golden_Rule
05-29-2008, 04:05 PM
^ GR, like I said, I'm not debating you here. I think you are dead wrong, so let's go debate it in CC if you'd like. Please delete your post here and move it over there.

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Moved to: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1564622#post1564622

Lady Jade
05-29-2008, 04:10 PM
But but......aren't you no longer dancing, therefore you don't belong here either :O


Retired dancers are included in the industry 'umbrella'.

Thank you, BG. Notice, GR, that there are quite a few of us old fogies around here. Watch where you tread with regard to retirees. ;)

All Good Things
05-29-2008, 04:13 PM
TOO, i know that if i were at work, hustling some guy, then i found out he knew who i was from here, i would feel very uncomfortable. i dont want my customers knowing my personal business unless i choose to tell them. i dont want them knowing my hustle ahead of time bc ive posted it. sure, in general, it may make some people better customers for other girls. but it doesnt do us any good as individuals, i dont think.

We've had a thread over on blue about this and the dancers that have posted have overwhelmingly supported the idea of dancing for an SW customer -- the thread was on whether it was OK to approach SW dancers if you happened to be in her town, assuming that was something you knew.

The etiquette of how to do the actual approach was discussed far more than whether the customer would be welcome. According to the dancers, there seemed to be no doubt that in virtually all the cases, he would be.

I think the theory is that an SW customer is far more likely to know what doesn't fly and is not acceptable as well as what constitutes good behavior.

Of course, if the guy turns out to be a jerk, it will be spread all over this site in about 2 nanoseconds, so that may act as a moderator on his behavior. :)

As a personal note, I get a lot of PMs inviting me to a dancer's club if I happen to be in the dancer's city. That usually follows some post I've put up on etiquette or proper behavior or spending/tipping. It's difficult to hazard a guess on total number -- maybe 75 or so over four years? So that's not even statistically significant for a site of this size.

Golden_Rule
05-29-2008, 04:14 PM
::) We DO want a site without customers. If we could have ones here who were respectful and contributed something and didn't post about how we're sexist because we don't want their almighty opnion that would be lovely, but as seen here, we can't. And sadly it seems that no matter how much we express that we don't want custies here (not because we hate them, but because it's a stripper site), the only ones that leave willingly are the good ones.

Then we are in total agreement.

I would suggest that it would work both ways though, and its not about good or bad "custies". It is simply a function of human nature. If you had a site where men were the primary workers supplying services to female clients, and you allowed the female clients in but made it very clear their opinions were unwanted and unnecessary, those females that stayed would be pretty vocal about being second class members.

People don't like being told their opinions don't matter, in case that's a surprise to any of you following along. Some tend to get vocal about it.

That is a GREAT reason why you keep those whose opinions you don't want, or are unnecessary to you, OUT of the support forums in the first place.

Those being supported get the support from the sources whose input they desire, and you don't go peeing in your pool of customers.

It is simple common sense.

All Good Things
05-29-2008, 04:15 PM
^ GR, like I said, I'm not debating you here. I think you are dead wrong, so let's go debate it in CC if you'd like. Please delete your post here and move it over there.

jasmine
05-29-2008, 04:17 PM
Retired dancers are included in the industry 'umbrella'.

I hope the hell so. I'm retired now, but danced for nearly 10 yrs, so therefore relate to strippers more than your average housewife. I can be myself here and would be very sad if I was suddenly no longer welcome.

I would also like to add that one problem with the non-industry posters is that they often do not relate well to our mentality. (Not talking about HHL, I liked her.)Try discussing your weight issues, or implant size, or penchant for walking around the house nude with your average suburban housewife and you are going to get a snarky reaction. Therefore I am constantly wondering how to take some of the comments that come from the custies.

We have to deal with a lot of snobbery when dealing with the public and this forum has always been a safe haven for us to discuss whatever the hell without fear of discrimination. I truely hope the social aspect of SW never dies, but is also not taken over by the non-industry individuals.

Golden_Rule
05-29-2008, 04:18 PM
TOO, i know that if i were at work, hustling some guy, then i found out he knew who i was from here, i would feel very uncomfortable. i dont want my customers knowing my personal business unless i choose to tell them. i dont want them knowing my hustle ahead of time bc ive posted it. sure, in general, it may make some people better customers for other girls. but it doesnt do us any good as individuals, i dont think.

I'm so glad a woman said it, because now it makes total sense.

{smiling broadly}

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. It was just too delicious. :)

wishing well...

britt244
05-29-2008, 04:27 PM
We've had a thread over on blue about this and the dancers that have posted have overwhelmingly supported the idea of dancing for an SW customer -- the thread was on whether it was OK to approach SW dancers if you happened to be in her town, assuming that was something you knew.

The etiquette of how to do the actual approach was discussed far more than whether the customer would be welcome. According to the dancers, there seemed to be no doubt that in virtually all the cases, he would be.

I think the theory is that an SW customer is far more likely to know what doesn't fly and is not acceptable as well as what constitutes good behavior.

Of course, if the guy turns out to be a jerk, it will be spread all over this site in about 2 nanoseconds, so that may act as a moderator on his behavior. :)

As a personal note, I get a lot of PMs inviting me to a dancer's club if I happen to be in the dancer's city. That usually follows some post I've put up on etiquette or proper behavior or spending/tipping. It's difficult to hazard a guess on total number -- maybe 75 or so over four years? So that's not even statistically significant for a site of this size.

ok. would i dance for him? yes. would i dance for you? yes. because i go to work for the money. but would the possibility of me being uncomfortable be higher? very much so. i don't love dancing for people that i know, and that includes dancing for those that i "know." but i do it because that's what i'm there for. but would i love the fact that i'd be dancing for him while he knew that my boyfriend, my manager, was a few feet away? nah, wouldnt be my favorite. would i love him knowing about whatever personal problems, body wise or mental or anything else i posted on here? no. of course not. just as, i'm sure, you wouldnt want those that you work with knowing about your.. exploits, shall we say.

also, please keep in mind that this is just my personal opinion, and obviously i'm not the only one. 2 girls just posted that i made a good point. plus, many girls dont go down to blue, so youre talking about a small sample that may not accurately represent the population here.


I'm so glad a woman said it, because now it makes total sense.

{smiling broadly}

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. It was just too delicious. :)

wishing well...

haha, hey now, he doesnt agree with me either! :P

francescadubois
05-29-2008, 04:31 PM
I'm so glad a woman said it, because now it makes total sense.

{smiling broadly}

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. It was just too delicious. :)

wishing well...

Well, there are a LOT of dancers here who don't find customers in general appalling, and like men and like talking to men and keeping them company. You just seem to remember the posts about the dancers shitting on nasty rat bastard custies who can't keep their hands to themselves, say disrespectful/derogatory things, etc.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS LIKE TO DEAL WITH THE SHIT THE WE DEAL WITH ON A NIGHTLY BASIS WHILE MANAGING TO MAINTAIN OUR SANITY.

Hello_Kitty27
05-29-2008, 04:31 PM
How about we post only a :( in every thread they make (non-industry members) so they get the point.

Well at least I don't feel as immature for my initial reaction in which I thought "Well I can't wait for (insert newly ignored member here) to post one of several 'vote for me' threads so I can vote against them on each and every one ....a bunch of times"

So yeah that was my first thought but then I realized that A) it was immature and B) I actually have better things to do than sabotage some nobody on the internet and C) my life will be less drama-filled and ridiculous if I simply put them on ignore. ;D

I will post here (with discretion, as stated before) whether some people like it or not ...unless of course I am somehow restricted or kicked off by Pryce. I do not fear you (collective you, not specific) and I'm not here to win a popularity contest so it doesn't bother me one bit if there's a percentage of you that don't want non-industry people here. That said, I do support the site and Pryce's goals for the site, so I will be much much more selective regarding what threads I post and what I am responding to etc.

That's my story and I'm stickin to it! :)

*Iris*
05-29-2008, 04:32 PM
I hope the hell so. I'm retired now, but danced for nearly 10 yrs, so therefore relate to strippers more than your average housewife. I can be myself here and would be very sad if I was suddenly no longer welcome.

I would also like to add that one problem with the non-industry posters is that they often do not relate well to our mentality. (Not talking about HHL, I liked her.)Try discussing your weight issues, or implant size, or penchant for walking around the house nude with your average suburban housewife and you are going to get a snarky reaction. Therefore I am constantly wondering how to take some of the comments that come from the custies.

We have to deal with a lot of snobbery when dealing with the public and this forum has always been a safe haven for us to discuss whatever the hell without fear of discrimination. I truely hope the social aspect of SW never dies, but is also not taken over by the non-industry individuals.
:yes: I have been to those mom forums, it just sucks to feel that you need to hide something and then to hear them talk so much shit. Annoys me.

*Iris*
05-29-2008, 04:34 PM
Well at least I don't feel as immature for my initial reaction in which I thought "Well I can't wait for (insert newly ignored member here) to post one of several 'vote for me' threads so I can vote against them on each and every one ....a bunch of times"

So yeah that was my first thought but then I realized that A) it was immature and B) I actually have better things to do than sabotage some nobody on the internet and C) my life will be less drama-filled and ridiculous if I simply put them on ignore. ;D

I will post here (with discretion, as stated before) whether some people like it or not ...unless of course I am somehow restricted or kicked off by Pryce. I do not fear you (collective you, not specific) and I'm not here to win a popularity contest so it doesn't bother me one bit if there's a percentage of you that don't want non-industry people here. That said, I do support the site and Pryce's goals for the site, so I will be much much more selective regarding what threads I post and what I am responding to etc.

That's my story and I'm stickin to it! :)
I was kidding I just thought a bunch of frowning smilies would be funny.

Golden_Rule
05-29-2008, 04:37 PM
^ GR, like I said, I'm not debating you here. I think you are dead wrong, so let's go debate it in CC if you'd like. Please delete your post here and move it over there.

I'll certainly move it anywhere you suggest, but what would you have me do, start a new thread with it?

And, if I might ask, why doesn't it belong here? If you are reading it as a personal debate with you I wish to correct that impression right now [and if you took it personally I apologize].

It was placed in this thread to directly move forward the discussion of the very thing being discussed in this thread. Precisely the same reason you posted your comments, I would assume.

You made comments for doing things a certain way, my response is counter-point to suggest that there is another way to do it better. Isn't that why this thread was started?

{confused} /:O

Golden_Rule
05-29-2008, 04:53 PM
Well, there are a LOT of dancers here who don't find customers in general appalling, and like men and like talking to men and keeping them company. You just seem to remember the posts about the dancers shitting on nasty rat bastard custies who can't keep their hands to themselves, say disrespectful/derogatory things, etc.

I am sure, and I am not suggesting differently. I am saying such posts exist, not that all dancer members make them.

I like talking to dancers, and not being a nasty, rat bastard, custie [or strip-private party manager for that matter].

I'm just saying, and I think it would be hard to refute, that its not generally a good idea to let those whose money you are dependent on read your most intimate thoughts about them if those thoughts are negative. Especially if your business is based on generating a fantasy in their minds that you LIKE them.

It tends to reduce the cash pool.

Then, when you couple that with their constant desire to stick their nose in and give opinions where they are not wanted, or needed, you wind up with a no win scenario where neither the dancers or the customers are happy.




YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS LIKE TO DEAL WITH THE SHIT THE WE DEAL WITH ON A NIGHTLY BASIS WHILE MANAGING TO MAINTAIN OUR SANITY.

You see, it is human nature not to want to hear something like that. It invalidates the person you are saying it to and no one wants to be invalidated.

While they may not know YOUR pain, they know pain and may feel it is closely enough related that they can sympathize, if not empathize.

For instance, I might say to you: Yes, I am not a stripper but if you think that I don't know what its like to deal with shit having been a beat cop in a major city; people calling you all sorts of names to your face, wrestling with you, even spitting on you on occasion, well then...

See what I mean?

Now you might not want to hear that, and you may point out the two aren't related and you may be right. But it is human nature to believe ones pain is just as good, rightous and valid as any one else's. So the average person isn't going to want to hear how their pain can't be compared to yours, etc.