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Lady Jade
05-29-2008, 04:58 PM
^^^ Yea, but how many people grabbed your kitty and asked you how much it cost? :P

Golden_Rule
05-29-2008, 05:03 PM
^^^ Yea, but how many people grabbed your kitty and asked you how much it cost? :P

LOL, my response to that would be, given some of the things they grabbed and what they tried to do with it thereafter, your scenario would have been preferable. :)

TheSexKitten
05-29-2008, 05:04 PM
We're not forcing customers to come here and read what we choose to post. This is our domain and if we seem bitchy or negative then people should gtfo if they don't like it.

I know that almost all of us [dancers], me included, really enjoy a lot of customers we come to meet in our days dancing. But this is OUR venting sanctuary, and non-industry folks need to definitely get over that if they feel like sticking around.

Jenny
05-29-2008, 05:04 PM
GR - note that Britt was talking about her experience and her feelings; she wasn't issuing a policy directive or telling other people what to post. Also note - none of us are on a cop forum insisting that our experience as strippers gives us great insight into law enforcement and subsequently telling them how to do their jobs and run their forum. If we were I would anticipate a great many cops arguing the contrary. Also consider; you obviously don't take yourself very seriously, as you continually post where you are not wanted and where you evidently don't think men should be allowed. Why in the world should anyone else take your thoughts seriously? Finally note: we are perfectly capable of determining, among ourselves, what is best for us. This really doesn't need to become another thread all about you. In the interests of being cooperative and showing us that customers can exercise discretion and judgment without having it jammed down their throats, you might consider stepping back.

Hello_Kitty27
05-29-2008, 05:05 PM
I was kidding I just thought a bunch of frowning smilies would be funny.

Well me too which is why I had the smileys ... although that was kinda my first thought. and it is true that i've used ignore for the first time ever. it's a beautiful thing!


And putting some more thought to this topic as a whole ... some of you who are so adamant about no customers allowed, etc, I don't know I kinda feel like you're creating an environment in which people lie when setting up an account. I'm not saying I would do this ... but what would stop me from retiring this account and created a new one that states I am a dancer? I know some people have brought up the topic of off-limits areas and how easily they can be by-passed. Not trying to be a broken record or anything, but I think you are forcing that environment to come to SW. There have been several several threads in the past months about increasing hostility and I'm sorry it is NOT related to this topic. It's a whole hodge-podge of things.

Chili Palmer
05-29-2008, 05:07 PM
^ GR, like I said, I'm not debating you here. I think you are dead wrong, so let's go debate it in CC if you'd like. Please delete your post here and move it over there.

Boy, for someone who's not the mayor of Strippertown (or even a moderator), that sounded a lot like an order to me.

History shows us, G_R, that the next step is for you to get pointed/warned, TOO's protestations of innocence notwithstanding.

CP

Perry
05-29-2008, 05:09 PM
No, it's you GR who are hearing what you don't want to.
If it spoils your fun knowing that we hate your sweat pants and don't want to be touched then either change your habits when visiting clubs, or stop going.

We don't care if customers know that - hell we will usually TELL them instantly when their behavior is unacceptable.

Stop whinning about strippers not liking you. We don't need you comming onto our support site moaning that we're doing it wrong because you don't want your fantasy spoiled.

Customers that want the fantasy get it and leave it at the club. They certainly don't search online for us - those that do usually catch on fast enough and the ones we like - the ones that do and are cool with how we want to be treated, and how we do our job. You're not about to "save" us by making us change what we post anytime soon, so ask yourself - Can you handle that we're not on the clock and aren't going to fullfill your fantasies here? If not, then byeeee.

Darcy Foxx
05-29-2008, 05:10 PM
In the interests of being cooperative and showing us that customers can exercise discretion and judgment without having it jammed down their throats, you might consider stepping back.
Yes. Please do consider it.

Jenny
05-29-2008, 05:13 PM
Boy, for someone who's not the mayor of Strippertown (or even a moderator), that sounded a lot like an order to me.

History shows us, G_R, that the next step is for you to get pointed/warned, TOO's protestations of innocence notwithstanding.

CP
I actually think that an argument or discussion between GR and TOO about whether men should be on stripperweb really belongs in PMs.

The_Oceans
05-29-2008, 05:15 PM
We're not forcing customers to come here and read what we choose to post. This is our domain and if we seem bitchy or negative then people should gtfo if they don't like it.

I know that almost all of us [dancers], me included, really enjoy a lot of customers we come to meet in our days dancing. But this is OUR venting sanctuary, and non-industry folks need to definitely get over that if they feel like sticking around.

I'll admit to feeling a little butt-hurt when I read posts about men or SC customers that are, to be diplomatic, unflattering - because the volume of them would give the impression that dancer(s) would feel that way about all of their customers, not just the ones who have offended them.

But - and this is where intelligent thought comes in - if you read a rant about a type of person or behavior that has offended someone, and you know in your mind that you are not that type of person or perform that type of behavior, then you have nothing to worry about.

VenusGoddess
05-29-2008, 05:17 PM
Well me too which is why I had the smileys ... although that was kinda my first thought. and it is true that i've used ignore for the first time ever. it's a beautiful thing!


And putting some more thought to this topic as a whole ... some of you who are so adamant about no customers allowed, etc, I don't know I kinda feel like you're creating an environment in which people lie when setting up an account. I'm not saying I would do this ... but what would stop me from retiring this account and created a new one that states I am a dancer? I know some people have brought up the topic of off-limits areas and how easily they can be by-passed. Not trying to be a broken record or anything, but I think you are forcing that environment to come to SW. There have been several several threads in the past months about increasing hostility and I'm sorry it is NOT related to this topic. It's a whole hodge-podge of things.

Well, because as a dancer you would know things that a non-dancer wouldn't. There have been quite a few members who've claimed they were dancers and have been outed as not being a dancer, but a poser. There is no way to support someone when you do not know what they are going through.

I would never log into a mom's forum and offer my advice, support, etc if I didn't have kids. I would never join a Cop's forum and give advice on how to handle people that were being arrested if I wasn't a cop. So, why would it be ok to join a stripper forum when you've never been a stripper?

That being said...I've always said that there have been quite a few non-industry folks here that I've become friends/acquaintances with. And, those people tend to "know their place" and not post in the off-limits areas. However, there are many, many, many more non-industry who do not respect that and are just over running the forums.

I don't necessarily want everyone to leave...but I do want a more clear dividing line of what is and is not acceptable. The site needs to go back to being a support for dancers/industry first and foremost.

TheSexKitten
05-29-2008, 05:26 PM
But - and this is where intelligent thought comes in - if you read a rant about a type of person or behavior that has offended someone, and you know in your mind that you are not that type of person or perform that type of behavior, then you have nothing to worry about.

Exactly! :yes:


Because it's not like our rants consist of "OMG EW. This ASSHOLE wearing decent, normal clothes was, like, totally respectful and had an enjoyable evening at my club!" :D Sometimes we get a little heated, but hey, that's to be expected. It's a frustrating job.

G-Real
05-29-2008, 05:27 PM
^ GR, like I said, I'm not debating you here. I think you are dead wrong, so let's go debate it in CC if you'd like. Please delete your post here and move it over there.

1) your not a mod

2) Its called Stripperweb, not TheOtherOwner web. I don't care if you fund the site, because you are always pointing that out to everyone, to make sure that is known. If you wanted to fund it, and not make a big-deal about it, then you wouldn't keep posting and trying to have a pissing contest.

Jenny
05-29-2008, 05:29 PM
1) your not a mod

2) Its called Stripperweb, not TheOtherOwner web. I don't care if you fund the site, because you are always pointing that out to everyone, to make sure that is known. If you wanted to fund it, and not make a big-deal about it, then you wouldn't keep posting and trying to have a pissing contest.
You know how above this it says that we probably don't need another thread all about GR? We definitely don't need this thread to become another thread all about TOO, and the dancers posting her will probably appreciate it if doesn't get shut down because it does. Everyone please consider that before you respond.

Chili Palmer
05-29-2008, 05:30 PM
I actually think that an argument or discussion between GR and TOO about whether men should be on stripperweb really belongs in PMs.

I actually agree with you 100%. However, this battle is like the original Star Trek episode where the white/black guy battles the black/white guy for all eternity, and no one and nothing can stop them.

I was merely pointing the juxtaposition of, on the one hand, feigning having no authority on this site, and on the other, demanding (and being neither a mod nor female), a post be deleted.

Frankly (and check for pigs flying), there's nothing you've posted in this thread that I have disagreed with in any way, shape or form, and the only reason I even posted here is cuz it's in the Members Sub-boards, and not in an "official" pink forum.

CP

Hello_Kitty27
05-29-2008, 05:39 PM
Well, because as a dancer you would know things that a non-dancer wouldn't. There have been quite a few members who've claimed they were dancers and have been outed as not being a dancer, but a poser. There is no way to support someone when you do not know what they are going through.

I would never log into a mom's forum and offer my advice, support, etc if I didn't have kids. I would never join a Cop's forum and give advice on how to handle people that were being arrested if I wasn't a cop. So, why would it be ok to join a stripper forum when you've never been a stripper?

That being said...I've always said that there have been quite a few non-industry folks here that I've become friends/acquaintances with. And, those people tend to "know their place" and not post in the off-limits areas. However, there are many, many, many more non-industry who do not respect that and are just over running the forums.

I don't necessarily want everyone to leave...but I do want a more clear dividing line of what is and is not acceptable. The site needs to go back to being a support for dancers/industry first and foremost.

I hear ya, on all counts. When I first got on here, there were a couple posts I made in SG, (naturally I wasn't the only one) and I think it was you, VG, who posted a sticky or something that said only strippers should post there, etc ... and I thought to myself, "well, duh" and I've pretty much stayed out of there ever since. That's really all it took for me.

I've posted in Hustle Hut, b/c well, IMO, sales is sales is sales. And I've gotten a lot of good sales advice in there from you smarty-pants of the SW world.

I still stand by what I said about the hostility situation. And while I personally would not leave my account and start some new one that says I'm a stripper ....but I'm just saying there are probably a giant handful of people (and future newbs, depending on changes made) that would do something like that. ESPECIALLY if it's an access issue. I'm just sayin.

francescadubois
05-29-2008, 05:45 PM
GR - note that Britt was talking about her experience and her feelings; she wasn't issuing a policy directive or telling other people what to post. Also note - none of us are on a cop forum insisting that our experience as strippers gives us great insight into law enforcement and subsequently telling them how to do their jobs and run their forum. If we were I would anticipate a great many cops arguing the contrary. Also consider; you obviously don't take yourself very seriously, as you continually post where you are not wanted and where you evidently don't think men should be allowed. Why in the world should anyone else take your thoughts seriously? Finally note: we are perfectly capable of determining, among ourselves, what is best for us. This really doesn't need to become another thread all about you. In the interests of being cooperative and showing us that customers can exercise discretion and judgment without having it jammed down their throats, you might consider stepping back.

:thanx:

Christany
05-29-2008, 05:45 PM
And putting some more thought to this topic as a whole ... some of you who are so adamant about no customers allowed, etc, I don't know I kinda feel like you're creating an environment in which people lie when setting up an account. I'm not saying I would do this ... but what would stop me from retiring this account and created a new one that states I am a dancer? I know some people have brought up the topic of off-limits areas and how easily they can be by-passed. .

I feel that having sectioned off areas would be a great idea. But just as you mentioned, there is the issue of proof and prevention of bypassers. And on the flipside, how to still maintain enough anonymynity for the dancers/industry people who wish to gain access. In an earlier post, I suggested this:



As a solution, I do believe compromise can be made successfully, with an introductory forum open to all, with certain velvet rope sections for those who would prefer more exclusivity. Perhaps either decided by numeric post count, pay for access, invite only, or a formula of karma points (such as I've seen on other forums where members award points for quality of posts).

I'd like to elaborate and brainstorm a little more:
I don't think that numeric post count alone should permit access because that promotes spamming. I do think that a combination of methods might work well though.

Karma points - members can award each points for quality of posts and once poster has achieved a certain amount of points, they gain access to Industry Sections. It might be best to also only allow awarding and not deduction of points. The ability to negatively rate other posts might promote antagonistic behavior based on prejudices, moods, or agreeances/disagreeances one might have with others. Also the ability to grant karma could be limited, so as to prevent false ratings. Club reviews (approved) could possibly grant bonus karma, as incentive to update us.

karma system examples/explanations:
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=11829

Club reviews incentive example http://www.tuscl.com

Invitational Access - by already included members, perhaps with the ability to track who sponsors who, so as to prevent leaks of 'who invited the troll.'

Pay for access - one time fee for instantaneous access to exclusive sections, for those who want in immediately. chances are, those who pay the fee, most likely have genuine interest. And also having the other options available still allows for those who do not have the funds or do not wish to be part of a paysite setup.

example: http://www.longhaircareforum.com

All Good Things
05-29-2008, 05:50 PM
Boy, for someone who's not the mayor of Strippertown (or even a moderator), that sounded a lot like an order to me.

It's not an order -- it's a request. I'm trying to keep this particular thread from devolving into a crazy useless debate.


I actually think that an argument or discussion between GR and TOO about whether men should be on stripperweb really belongs in PMs.

I'd be willing to completely let it go and have my posts stand on their own at this point.



1) your not a mod

2) Its called Stripperweb, not TheOtherOwner web. I don't care if you fund the site, because you are always pointing that out to everyone, to make sure that is known. If you wanted to fund it, and not make a big-deal about it, then you wouldn't keep posting and trying to have a pissing contest.

Please see my posts above. I'm trying to keep the level of discourse out of a debate format. I was just requesting (that's what "please" means)that we move it to another location to reduce the chance of the thread being locked or deleted. Besides, debates like that tend to chase off other participation. This thread should involve the greatest number of contributors as possible and not devolve into a two-sided debate that will change neither of our minds.

In terms of funding the site, aside from a single mention about whether it should be a pay site higher in this thread where I do make reference to it in response to that suggestion by Cally, I think you will find that I virtually never mention it anymore. In addition, I've had the banner removed as a means of reducing visibility on the issue.

seraya
05-29-2008, 05:55 PM
Karma points - members can award each points for quality of posts and once poster has achieved a certain amount of points, they gain access to Industry Sections. It might be best to also only allow awarding and not deduction of points. The ability to negatively rate other posts might promote antagonistic behavior based on prejudices, moods, or agreeances/disagreeances one might have with others. Also the ability to grant karma could be limited, so as to prevent false ratings. Club reviews (approved) could possibly grant bonus karma, as incentive to update us.

karma system examples/explanations:
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=11829

Club reviews incentive example http://www.tuscl.com

Invitational Access - by already included members, perhaps with the ability to track who sponsors who, so as to prevent leaks of 'who invited the troll.'

Pay for access - one time fee for instantaneous access to exclusive sections, for those who want in immediately. chances are, those who pay the fee, most likely have genuine interest. And also having the other options available still allows for those who do not have the funds or do not wish to be part of a paysite setup.

example: http://www.longhaircommunity.comWe had the karma function here years back and it was a disaster and that was when SW was like one big happy family. I hate to think of how it would turn out with the way things are now.

There is also the LR which is invite only, which again a lot of people have been butthurt over so I dunno if that will work either.

I like the idea of pay for access of certain forums though.

Christany
05-29-2008, 06:01 PM
^^
Sorry, I changed the last example link to http://www.longhaircareforum.com after realizing my error. I hope this does not confuse anyone.

Christany
05-29-2008, 06:09 PM
We had the karma function here years back and it was a disaster and that was when SW was like one big happy family. I hate to think of how it would turn out with the way things are now.


If I remember correctly, the ability to give negative karma existed also at the time. Perhaps with that option removed, might it work better? This way it's more of a goal to work towards (by contributing to the site) and canceling out the nastiness factor.

seraya
05-29-2008, 06:35 PM
If I remember correctly, the ability to give negative karma existed also at the time. Perhaps with that option removed, might it work better? This way it's more of a goal to work towards (by contributing to the site) and canceling out the nastiness factor.Yea that is very true. I'm just worried that it will turn in to a popularity contest and/or encourage more ass kissing. I dunno maybe I am just being pessimistic.

TheSexKitten
05-29-2008, 06:45 PM
There is also the LR which is invite only, which again a lot of people have been butthurt over so I dunno if that will work either.


Locker Room is super bullshit! Talk about cliquey. ::) Who the hell do you have to blow to get invited in? It's like a secret society.

Christany
05-29-2008, 06:47 PM
Yea that is very true. I'm just worried that it will turn in to a popularity contest and/or encourage more ass kissing. I dunno maybe I am just being pessimistic.

Understandable though. I'm sure there's much more brainstorming to be had before finding the best solution.

francescadubois
05-29-2008, 06:53 PM
Locker Room is super bullshit! Talk about cliquey. ::) Who the hell do you have to blow to get invited in? It's like a secret society.

Yeah, someone slipped up and told me about it not too long ago (she didn't invite me, she just said something about it). I said, "I've been here for 2 years and never heard of this 'til now."

Oh well, like I said, it's the internet. Sometimes you just don't rub people the right way, I guess. :shrug:

Perry
05-29-2008, 06:59 PM
I've never heard of it untill this thread. I'm still kinda new though.

TheSexKitten
05-29-2008, 07:06 PM
Oh well, like I said, it's the internet. Sometimes you just don't rub people the right way, I guess. :shrug:

Yep. :P Oh well.

Lysondra
05-29-2008, 07:13 PM
Wait... THIS forum has a locker room?

LilyLove
05-29-2008, 07:13 PM
I heard about it one time before in a thread. I'll see if I can find it.

Lysondra
05-29-2008, 07:19 PM
Sounds like a joke a bunch of people made up.

Perry
05-29-2008, 07:26 PM
I'm not following the locker room. Is there one per forum? It's not a hudge deal - people make friends and want an area just for them. That's fair enough. But is it more stripping focused than the rest of the site?

TheSexKitten
05-29-2008, 07:35 PM
All I know is that yes, I believe there actually is one, and it's some cluster of SW people who have to unanimously vote on who gets to go post there. That's what I've heard.

i.breathe.in
05-29-2008, 07:41 PM
that is fucking dumb. sounds like a bunch of girls that think they are better then the rest of the pinks, sitting around adding pictures to their burn books. (ala mean girls)

Lysondra
05-29-2008, 07:42 PM
It sounds too much like a "Hey let's start a rumour about...it'll be so funny!" type scenario. Srsly.

francescadubois
05-29-2008, 07:46 PM
^^^No. It's a real place.

Lysondra
05-29-2008, 07:51 PM
Um. Prove it?

Not calling you a liar. Just... misinformed? I see no evidence and none of the many mods I know personally have ever once mentioned it.

All I'm hearing right now is "Well I heard..."... and frankly second hand information is worth very little to me.

seraya
05-29-2008, 07:52 PM
Oh geez guise...this has been addressed time and time again. The LR is no secret. It has been around for as long as SW has.

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29179&highlight=Locker+room
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31122&highlight=Locker+room <--- I think I must have been drunk so please excuse the spelling in that thread LOL

francescadubois
05-29-2008, 07:54 PM
Well, I'm not in the clique, so I don't have any proof, but it's known about among older members of the site. I was acquainted with a few ladies here, and more than one mentioned it in passing. I didn't pry because it's just not my type of thing to get caught up in. If I'm not invited it must be for a reason, and not even a negative one really. :shrug:

So sorry, no proof. I can understand if you're skeptical.

francescadubois
05-29-2008, 07:55 PM
^^There ya go, Lysondra. Thanks, Seraya.

Lexi
05-29-2008, 08:11 PM
Ayyy, the drama and the hate towards the locker room. ::)

Big deal people. No need to get pissy about it.

miabella
05-29-2008, 08:15 PM
if there were more options to make something like Locker Room, that would be nice, rather than one legacy option.

jasmine
05-29-2008, 08:18 PM
Locker Room is super bullshit! Talk about cliquey. ::) Who the hell do you have to blow to get invited in? It's like a secret society.

I don't know, but I haven't managed to blow the magical golden cock that allows access to the hallowed ground that is the LR. I've almost left the site numerous times due to this shit. Yep... I admit it. I don't fucking like feeling like a goddamn 2nd class citizen that doesn't fucking matter.

jasmine
05-29-2008, 08:20 PM
Um. Prove it?

Not calling you a liar. Just... misinformed? I see no evidence and none of the many mods I know personally have ever once mentioned it.

All I'm hearing right now is "Well I heard..."... and frankly second hand information is worth very little to me.

See B's last thread. She refers to it... When I posted a pissed-off comment over having to read about the damn place, it got removed and I got a pm from a mod. So.....Yes, it def exists.

Lexi
05-29-2008, 08:22 PM
There's no "golden" cock blowing. See elsewhere on the site for that kind of shit.

jasmine
05-29-2008, 08:23 PM
There's no "golden" cock blowing. See elsewhere on the site for that kind of shit.

Errr... I was just being a pissed-off smart-ass. I know, they actually vote you in after a member nominates you.

Lexi
05-29-2008, 08:24 PM
Errr... I was just being a pissed-off smart-ass. I know they actually vote you in after a member recommends you.

Gotcha.

;)

TheSexKitten
05-29-2008, 08:25 PM
if there were more options to make something like Locker Room, that would be nice, rather than one legacy option.

Yeah now that would be chill. :yes:

Jay Zeno
05-29-2008, 08:29 PM
if there were more options to make something like Locker Room, that would be nice, rather than one legacy option.Something like this might be planned with the new bulletin board tools, where members can set up their own groups in a new "Member Boards" type of area.

Don't ask for proof. I don't know if I'm thinking of a discussion Pryce had with the mods, or if it was in the public discussion, or if I'm just pulling that outta my ass. But I think, speaking only for my own faulty memory, unofficially, something akin to that is on the drawing board.

MsQwerty
05-29-2008, 08:53 PM
That is a good compromise. Industry only sections!!




So, what about all the girls on here who danced for a week and are welcome? Wouldn't you say they don't have enough experience in the industry? What about the fact that she and her husband are interested in ownership or partial ownership of a club?


YOU KNOW WHAT HHL SHOULD DO? dance for a night, would you all say she is welcome then?


ALSO--I don't think it was done with taste of any sort, the way she was told "she doesn't belong," like you guys were talking about a mysterious person behind her back. PLLLLEEEAAASSSEEE!

The length of time someone has danced for is probably relevant to how much useful imput they would have in the industry area. Perhaps they would have some contributions to make if they had only danced for a night or a week. A little more if they had danced for a month or two and so on. The industry areas would not be full of so much crap I would think. I dont think there would be need for anyone to hang around that area if the only danced for a couple of weeks and had no intentions of going back - bingo, thats where the non-industry areas of the boards come in ::)

Gosh - non-strippers REALLY dont get it do they?!