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Golden_Rule
05-28-2008, 12:05 AM
You have to DO something fucked up.

IE: Sweatpants boner, repeated groping after we have asked you to stop, asking for free dances or just being insanely cheap in general, any form of rudeness/personal insults.

I mean, I know you guys read threads in Stripping general. Have you heard some of the horror stories of the things people do and the way they treat us sometimes? Disgusting, rude, bad things...that we did nothing to deserve or provoke.

Ok. Remember, you brought this up. I'm just asking you to back up some points with the "Why" of it.

No one, I hope, would think rude or bad behavior is something we should do to anyone. "Golden_Rule" isn't, 'he who has the gold makes the rules'. I use that name because I believe in treating folks they way I would want to be treated myself.

Now, given that, why is a "sweat pants boner" rude?

If you are giving me a dance and it excites me, because you are attractive and know what you are doing, why am I rude because it has the natural physiological effect. I would think you'd be insulted if I didn't react, because it would mean I didn't find you at all sexy and therefore didn't react physically to what you were doing.

I'm not kidding here. I've seen this said before and I'd love for someone to explain it logically to me because, as it stands right now, it makes no sense to me?

Repeated groping. Well groping in general, unless mutually agreed to, is of course a very nasty thing. When continued to be done after being requested to stop it's literally criminal.

Asking for free services in a place of business is certainly rude. Being cheap isn't technically rude though. And being insulted by someone else's desire to be tight with a buck is kind of a waste of time. I have to say I don't understand that either. If someone is being cheap don't get offended. He has a right to be however he wants to be with his money. It is his, after all. Just dismiss him and be done with it.

wishing well...

Golden_Rule
05-28-2008, 12:07 AM
there is only one thing i do differently now because of this site. when a girl that i'm obviously not even remotely interested in buying a dance from starts bugging me for dances i tell them "maybe later" instead of no thank you or some other polite excuse. if they are a pest after i've already told them no they get the maybe later line that i hear they all hate.
i started strip clubbing about 18 years ago so if there would have been a sw then it may have changed a few of the things i did back then

See, Al is a "Calculator".

jaizaine
05-28-2008, 12:08 AM
sweatpants boner is referring to sweatpants boner dude that one of the dancers wrote about in the no sweatpant dances ever thread.

there is nothing wrong with getting a boner during a dance.

there is something very perverted about purposely wearing a pair of pants so that u can feel the grinding more in the hopes of blowing your load.

Golden_Rule
05-28-2008, 12:17 AM
i (and i know i'm not in the minority) hate quite a few of them, tolerate most of them, and love very few.

You see. This is a perfect example of what I mean. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you have said above. I am not suggesting otherwise, but should a customer be seeing it?

If I had been a customer of yours, and I see you say you hate the majority of your customers, what kind of dolt would I have to be to come back into your club and give you more money?

It isn't that expressing your feelings on a support site is wrong. It is that letting your clients see what you actually think when you speak your mind is bad business.

That is why the Pink side, save for the Lounge and Customer Chat, really shouldn't be available to customers. You are letting us know too much about you, and what we are learning doesn't really make us want to spend money on strippers.

jaizaine
05-28-2008, 12:18 AM
^^
yeh but the majority of customers do not see what we write on here.

Golden_Rule
05-28-2008, 12:20 AM
sweatpants boner is referring to sweatpants boner dude that one of the dancers wrote about in the no sweatpant dances ever thread.

there is nothing wrong with getting a boner during a dance.

there is something very perverted about purposely wearing a pair of pants so that u can feel the grinding more in the hopes of blowing your load.

I wear sweat pants to S-Cs for the same reason you don't like jeans.

I hate the feeling of course fabrics, belt buckles and zippers being ground into my lap and thighs. I'd never get a lap dance if I was wearing jeans. I wouldn't enjoy it anymore than you would.

BTW, I hate cumming in my pants. Sticky and, well... ewwwwww!

Perry
05-28-2008, 12:20 AM
Most customers already know that we don't want to be licked/asked OTC/groped/made to work for free. If they don't want to come to strip clubs after learning that then good riddance to bad rubbish.

Taco Goblin
05-28-2008, 12:21 AM
I was wondering if reading what we think and how we feel about certain behaviours in the SC has changed how you behave as a customer?

Did you do something previously that u have now stopped doing because you read on here that we generally hate it?

Have u gone to do something at the club and thought "oh wait they hate that"?

Or have you started doing something that u didn't do before because that behaviour has been praised on here.

Details!!

For the most part since I starting reading SW, its all been "Whew, I'm glad I never do that!". Evidently I was a well-behaved gentlemanly type custie from the very beginning. I think that's because I treated it like any other social establishment. I'm not a dickhead in a sports bar, there's no reason to be a dickhead in a strip club. The only things I might have adjusted from reading SW is wearing jeans and saying "maybe later". Now I wear sweatpants and just say "fuck off!!".

Kidding of course.. no sweats.. and now no "laters" unless I really mean it. Like if I really have no interest in a girl, I'll say a simple "No thank you." or "No thanks, I'm good for now.". If I really mean maybe later, I'll say something like "I just got this drink and want to enjoy it, could you come back in 20 minutes maybe?"

The jeans thing simply never dawned on me.

As for closing things off to us custies, I'd hate that.. because while the prevailing attitude toward customers turns me off from actually participating as much on the Pink Side :-X , I do still enjoy reading those most intimate stripper thoughts.. ooooh.. ;) ..honestly has given me good insights that come up in conversation with dancers, putting both of us more at ease..

I'm basically fascinated by the whole strip club microcosm, and all the social interactions within.. It's at the same time one of the most honest and dishonest situations one can encounter. Nothing I've read on here has hurt my tender custie feelings.. I figured dancers hated customers before I ever set foot in a club. Ha!

And yeah, what Jester said.. I now more notice the girls who really take things seriously, as opposed to the ones who just stand around.. or sit in the corner.. or immediately drink away those 12 ones they just picked up on stage.. and then whine about how bad things are.

jaizaine
05-28-2008, 12:22 AM
actually most men that come to my club wear jeans or business pants. we are a gentleman's club and don't allow people in looking like slobs.

TMI regarding u cumming in your pants, i dont wanna even go there.

I dont mind jeans at all, maybe coz my dances are sensual and i dont grind cock like a jack hammer :-\

jaizaine
05-28-2008, 12:24 AM
For the most part since I starting reading SW, its all been "Whew, I'm glad I never do that!". Evidently I was a well-behaved gentlemanly type custie from the very beginning. I think that's because I treated it like any other social establishment. I'm not a dickhead in a sports bar, there's no reason to be a dickhead in a strip club.

This is very true. How a man acts within a strip club tells me a lot about him as a person. Whether he is a gentleman, whether he has class and has been raised to respect women.

Golden_Rule
05-28-2008, 12:32 AM
^^
yeh but the majority of customers do not see what we write on here.

You'll never really know, because the vast majority of normal guys won't say anything on here to indicate they've seen it and it had a negative impact on them. They just take a look around and don't come back.

The guys who stick around, well they are going to try and use what they learn to their advantage.

It's just smucks like me, the "ne'er do well do-gooder" types, who'll tell you what's truly on their mind. :)

jaizaine
05-28-2008, 12:34 AM
yeh but as Perry pointed out we dont care if the guys who come in to lick, grope or whatever else we dont like read it and stop coming in. the lack social skills and graces and id rather not deal with them.

Golden_Rule
05-28-2008, 01:21 AM
Most customers already know that we don't want to be licked/asked OTC/groped/made to work for free. If they don't want to come to strip clubs after learning that then good riddance to bad rubbish.


That isn't what I said.

I asked why would anyone reading that dancers dislike customers come back to a strip-club. Are YOU in the habit of giving your money to people who "hate" you?

3-Legged Man
05-28-2008, 03:37 AM
There appears to be SOME level of affection for "regular" customers by their favorite dancers. In some cases, it appears to be a pseudo-friendship, in others, good acting to facilitate the flow of currency. I can't presume to tell the difference. If the acting is good enough, that's fine for me. I'm not in the club to find a mate for life. If the girl that's just acting does her job well, I get the experience I want and she gets the money she wants. Either way, knowing this, and having it reinforced by comments read on SW, does nothing to diminish the experience.

Jenny
05-28-2008, 03:54 AM
If I had been a customer of yours, and I see you say you hate the majority of your customers, what kind of dolt would I have to be to come back into your club and give you more money?
A self-important dolt, not terribly uncommon around here, who believes that he can do no wrong? I mean, he probably wouldn't say that he can do no wrong; he would more demonstrate that attitude by, say, the things he would post and by excusing himself from all negative behaviours.


That is why the Pink side, save for the Lounge and Customer Chat, really shouldn't be available to customers. You are letting us know too much about you, and what we are learning doesn't really make us want to spend money on strippers.And yet. It does, apparently, make you want to stay here and give out unwanted advice and try to save us from ourselves. How unintuitive that one would give up the aspect that would give you pleasure and retain the one that you apparently dislike..

yoda57us
05-28-2008, 04:20 AM
I am so glad I didn't disappoint. Thanks for making it about me instead of challanging the ideas behind what I said. ::)

Why, or why, if people think they know better don't they just say what it is better they know. Instead of making snide remarks about the poster they are claiming to now better than?

Well GR, like it or not, sometimes one can not separate the opinion from the brain of the person who posted it. The words came from your keyboard and, presumably, from your head. In this case I am taking issue with what, to me at least, is a close-minded approach to participating on a chat board. By categorizing people based on what you think they are rather than what they are actually posting you are attempting to marginalize everything that they post. Besides that, I don't know you from a whole in the wall. How could I possibly judge you? For that matter, why would I care to? On this board I am not judging you, I am commenting on your opinions. I am not, as you say, making it about you, I am however taking issue with the opinions that you express. Oh, and by the way, I never said I knew better, I simply expressed an opinion.

Is that challenging enough for you?

SPLUT
05-28-2008, 04:40 AM
GR..one thing - please stop using us and we in your arguments. I did not give you proxy to speak for me. Your opinions are just that yours - if others feel the same way they can let it be known.

Lapaholic
05-28-2008, 07:51 AM
To the OP: No ... I am the same dumbass I have always been - well except now I may be a fucktard, asshat or twatwaffle: your choice. ;)

I go, have fun and leave .... SW hasnt affected that!!

Dirty Ernie
05-28-2008, 08:06 AM
You'll never really know, because the vast majority of normal guys won't say anything on here to indicate they've seen it and it had a negative impact on them. They just take a look around and don't come back.

The guys who stick around, well they are going to try and use what they learn to their advantage.

It's just smucks like me, the "ne'er do well do-gooder" types, who'll tell you what's truly on their mind. :)

You do realize you have just impugned the character of every other guy on here in your attempt to put yourself on some sort of pedestal. Of course you don't. What was I thinking.

Perry
05-28-2008, 11:50 AM
That isn't what I said.

I asked why would anyone reading that dancers dislike customers come back to a strip-club. Are YOU in the habit of giving your money to people who "hate" you?

No one here has ever said, "Ew! This nice guy came in who was well dressed, had a friendly conversation with me, and got some dances. He didn't do anything wrong, but I hate him!"

It's been made pretty clear here already that we don't hate all customers. They have to do something pretty vile to be deserving of our hate. Things that no one would even consider doing to us if we were wearing street clothes or working at Applebees.

I'm noticing a lot of hostility from the blue ribbons lately. I understand. You don't like to be grouped in with the lickers and grabbers any more than we dancers like to be grouped in with the extra's girls. Maybe we could say crusties vs custies where appropriate.

I assume that all of the guys on SW tip at the stage, keep their hands to themselves, are good conversationalists and genuinly like strippers and women in general - or they wouldn't be here. They should know that when we bitch about customers we don't mean them because they wouldn't pull any of the shit we complain about.

And again, if someone reads "OMG! He wanted dry, unprotected anal sex for $20! I fucking hate that douchebag!" and decides strip clubs aren't any fun, then we don't want him at our club anyway.

youngBUTbanking
05-28-2008, 11:57 AM
^^^^ I have seen a number of posts that judge customers for..being customers at a SC.

I agree that most people on here know how to act as you said or else they wouldn't be here but I've read numerous posts in SG/Hustle Hut (BELIEVE THAT) that have stated otherwise than what you just said but In the end, It doesn't really matter.

Sidenote: Some of the stories I've read in SG are pretty horrifying and to the point where you would hope someone wouldn't act like they supposedly did.

jaizaine
05-28-2008, 12:31 PM
Maybe I should have titled the thread "What does GoldenRule think" ::)

Sorry but u ignore certain parts of people's posts in order to gain strength for your own argument. For instance u ignored the part about us not hating customers as a general rule when many of us have already pointed that out in this and other threads.

Anyway arguing with u is tiresome.

Perry
05-28-2008, 01:42 PM
I agree that most people on here know how to act as you said or else they wouldn't be here but I've read numerous posts in SG/Hustle Hut (BELIEVE THAT) that have stated otherwise than what you just said but In the end, It doesn't really matter.


I'm not following you. In SG and HH girls are just proclaiming their hatered for customers, only beccause they walked into a strip club?

And BELIEVE what exactly?

Pretty_Penny
05-28-2008, 06:29 PM
You see. This is a perfect example of what I mean. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you have said above. I am not suggesting otherwise, but should a customer be seeing it?

If I had been a customer of yours, and I see you say you hate the majority of your customers, what kind of dolt would I have to be to come back into your club and give you more money?

if you were a customer of mine, and you read what i have said on here, you'd be able to figure out if you're one of the customers i hate or not.

and if you figure that you are, then i probably don't want you back anyway.

i think it's fairly clear which types of customers i (and most dancers) enjoy working for, and if a guy fits that description, he shouldn't have anything to worry about.


here is a good basic compilation of the things i've said on this site about customers:


i am an entertainer. i like to help my customers have a great time by giving them dances, engaging in (hopefully) fun conversations, whatever they lean towards that's within the realm of what i do. you wanna pal around like drinking buddies? cool. you wanna be on a pretend date? cool. you wanna talk to me about your problems? cool.

i will so most things that fall into their "fantasy" idea, but i will -not- lead them to believe i am going to be or do anything else.

i expect to be paid for what i do and if you aren't paying me, i'm not doing it.

if a customer is rude, trying to play "games", handsy, disrespectful, asking me for extras, i hate him.

and MOST customers lately tend to fall into one or more of the above catagories, therefor.. yes.. i hate most customers.

if a customer just wants to have a good time, is respectfull, and doesn't ask/beg/try to force me to do anything THAT ISN'T PART OF MY JOB, i -usually- like him..

and if he wants to have a good time, is respectful, AND actually seems to give a shit about me, AND is actually generous, i probably love him.

i don't see what's so hard to understand or what's so offensive about that for a customer to read. it's the same thing i've said on here a kabillion times.

the truth
05-28-2008, 10:01 PM
You see. This is a perfect example of what I mean. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you have said above. I am not suggesting otherwise, but should a customer be seeing it?

If I had been a customer of yours, and I see you say you hate the majority of your customers, what kind of dolt would I have to be to come back into your club and give you more money?

It isn't that expressing your feelings on a support site is wrong. It is that letting your clients see what you actually think when you speak your mind is bad business.

That is why the Pink side, save for the Lounge and Customer Chat, really shouldn't be available to customers. You are letting us know too much about you, and what we are learning doesn't really make us want to spend money on strippers.


I realize it is just a business and I don't care if she really likes me or not as long as she is not mean. This is a business, not a relationship. If I would not stop using the local mechanic's services because he does not like me despite his skill level I will not stop seeing a stripper if she is good at her job, unless she told me she preferred to not give me dances anymore, in which case I would just switch to another dancer.

As for the original question most of the strippers "seem" to be open minded and easy going that I have met in person so it has made me wander what they think of customers in general, but to find out I would have to have an ethical type conversation which along with religion or politics is something I don't discuss at clubs since I am there to relax.
The website has not really changed me, but only confirmed opinions of people I had in general.
I don't post as much here as I have done on other sites, but I do read the threads to see if I might learn something from a different point of view, and occasionally I do.

CherryBomb954
05-28-2008, 11:47 PM
if you were a customer of mine, and you read what i have said on here, you'd be able to figure out if you're one of the customers i hate or not.

and if you figure that you are, then i probably don't want you back anyway.

i think it's fairly clear which types of customers i (and most dancers) enjoy working for, and if a guy fits that description, he shouldn't have anything to worry about.


here is a good basic compilation of the things i've said on this site about customers:


i am an entertainer. i like to help my customers have a great time by giving them dances, engaging in (hopefully) fun conversations, whatever they lean towards that's within the realm of what i do. you wanna pal around like drinking buddies? cool. you wanna be on a pretend date? cool. you wanna talk to me about your problems? cool.

i will so most things that fall into their "fantasy" idea, but i will -not- lead them to believe i am going to be or do anything else.

i expect to be paid for what i do and if you aren't paying me, i'm not doing it.

if a customer is rude, trying to play "games", handsy, disrespectful, asking me for extras, i hate him.

and MOST customers lately tend to fall into one or more of the above catagories, therefor.. yes.. i hate most customers.

if a customer just wants to have a good time, is respectfull, and doesn't ask/beg/try to force me to do anything THAT ISN'T PART OF MY JOB, i -usually- like him..

and if he wants to have a good time, is respectful, AND actually seems to give a shit about me, AND is actually generous, i probably love him.

i don't see what's so hard to understand or what's so offensive about that for a customer to read. it's the same thing i've said on here a kabillion times.


THANK YOU, Penny. You just said everyting I simply don't have the energy to type.
Well put. "Great minds think alike".....haha

sakonhagakure
05-28-2008, 11:57 PM
I was wondering if reading what we think and how we feel about certain behaviours in the SC has changed how you behave as a customer?

Did you do something previously that u have now stopped doing because you read on here that we generally hate it?

Have u gone to do something at the club and thought "oh wait they hate that"?

Or have you started doing something that u didn't do before because that behaviour has been praised on here.

Details!!

I dunno why but what I've learned from SW makes me realize that ignorance is truly bliss and has somewhat turned me against the idea of going into the clubs in my area. (considering 2 out of 3 are slightly high mileage.)

3-Legged Man
05-29-2008, 03:51 AM
Men will be disrespectful pieces of shit whether us women give them a reason to or not. But seeing as you are from south Fl as well, there's really no hope.

This fine lady is the one at the top of my mind when thinking about dancers that hate customers.....

All Good Things
05-29-2008, 09:52 AM
^ No, no, she hates all men. But I fear that it's for a very good reason. If you are only exposed to pathetic abusive assholes -- or perhaps unconsciously seek them out -- it will give you a warped sense of men.

That works in both directions, of course.

She's also very funny -- I almost quoted her in my sig line, but because it referenced money, it broke one of my sig line rules, so I couldn't do it. But she's hilarious.

I hate to say it, but I really think the percentage of broke, abusive assholes in the clubs is rising at a dramatic pace. I know it totally depends on the club, but the trend is unmistakable.

xoxoGracexoxo
05-29-2008, 10:28 AM
I admit I haven't been reading or posting as much lately, but I can't say that I recall SW being over-run with customer-hate threads -- in SG, HH or anywhere else. Most threads that express anger towards customers are angry about behaviors, not people.

The behaviors that annoy dancers are fairly clear-cut, and usually can be avoided by treating others the way one would like to be treated one's self. Folks who can't sort this out surprise me, especially when they are claiming not to ever do any of the things that dancers find annoying. If you're behaving yourself, you can assume the dancer likes you just fine. If hearing that dancers don't like to be man-handled, insulted, cheated, lied to, or treated like sub-humans is somehow going to destroy someone's strip club experience, perhaps that individual has some soul-searching to do.

For the record, I like --yup actually like -- perhaps a slight majority of my customers. (A higher percentage since I started just walking away from guys I don't like.)

It's cool to hear that SW has improved the customer experience of at least a few. You guys were probably nice to begin with, though. :)

youngBUTbanking
05-29-2008, 11:47 AM
This fine lady is the one at the top of my mind when thinking about dancers that hate customers.....


Haha, that was a response to me too.

Some just like to jump on male POV's because they automatically think we are like the assholes they dealt with the night before.

azdd
05-29-2008, 11:45 PM
I hate to say it, but I really think the percentage of broke, abusive assholes in the clubs is rising at a dramatic pace. I know it totally depends on the club, but the trend is unmistakable.

I attribute this trend mostly to younger patrons, and the way they relate to women in general, but especially in a sexually charged situation like a SC. Younger patrons grew up with abusive rap singers as role models for how they should feel and act around women. We could argue all day (but we won't) about whether the SC environment in and of itself is abusive to women, but it seems clear to me that there is a marked difference in SC expectations and behaviors between young guys (often in a group of other jerks), and older customers who grew up in a different era where we might certainly objectify women as sources of sexual enjoyment, but we do so with at least a thin veil of respect as we go about it!

Golden_Rule
05-30-2008, 03:55 AM
actually most men that come to my club wear jeans or business pants. we are a gentleman's club and don't allow people in looking like slobs.

Well, there are sweat pants and there are sweat pants. The ones I wear are "slacks tailored", meaning they look like pants, not sweats.


TMI regarding u cumming in your pants, i dont wanna even go there. WRONG! I said NOT cumming in my pants. Don't give the wrong impression of what I said. I probably think the "ewwww" factor is as high as you do.


I dont mind jeans at all, maybe coz my dances are sensual and i dont grind cock like a jack hammer :-\

Could be, but don't presume because that is what your club is like that other clubs are all the same. Most of the clubs I go to in NY/PA/NJ are relatively high contact.

Golden_Rule
05-30-2008, 04:02 AM
And yet. It does, apparently, make you want to stay here and give out unwanted advice and try to save us from ourselves. How unintuitive that one would give up the aspect that would give you pleasure and retain the one that you apparently dislike..

I'm not trying to save anyone from anyone. I'm just trying to exchange ideas with folks is all.

Jenny, I am sure you see it the way you say it above. I am getting, more and more, the impression you have the idea that intellectual discourse is your corner of this site and anyone who comes in and tries to do the same is a challange and needs to be shouted down or silenced in some way.

That chip on your keyboard must be huge.

Golden_Rule
05-30-2008, 04:08 AM
...is a close-minded approach to participating on a chat board.

When what I write is, "Here is what I think about what you said. Tell me what you think in response. Lets get a dialog going and figure something out." That's closed minded to you?

Ok. If you say so. :O



On this board I am not judging you, I am commenting on your opinions. I am not, as you say, making it about you, I am however taking issue with the opinions that you express.

Again, if you say so, but if you look back at your posts to me I think you'll find more than a few references and presumptions as to what you think of me as a person, not too many point/counter-point exchanges. As the kids are fond of saying, "Wha eva". :)

Golden_Rule
05-30-2008, 04:10 AM
GR..one thing - please stop using us and we in your arguments. I did not give you proxy to speak for me. Your opinions are just that yours - if others feel the same way they can let it be known.

When did I imply that?

If I did, you have my sincere apologies.

I "type" for myself and the views expressed are my own. Just in case that wasn't clear to everyone.

Golden_Rule
05-30-2008, 04:24 AM
You do realize you have just impugned the character of every other guy on here in your attempt to put yourself on some sort of pedestal. Of course you don't. What was I thinking.

No. I have impugned not the charator but the agenda of every other guy, INCLUDING myself, who sticks around here.

Like I said, I'm in a catagory too. The 'ne'er do well social do-gooder' trying to, with what he sees as the "we are all just folks why don't we give each other a break", kumbaya message bring harmony to the masses by force of logic and common sense.

We are all damaged goods in some way. How else does one explain sticking around in an enviorment where a good number of the members see you as second class just because you have a penis, AND express various levels of disdain for your presence?

Pretty foolish when you think about it. [myself included]

I've met some pretty smart guys in my 20 odd years [odd being the operative word] of traveling through these forums. I know more than a handful of them personally. More than a few were members here on this site. Of their number the guys I truly respect for their smarts [I mentioned one in another post, Mr Pitiful, known here under another name] didn't hang around here more than a couple of months. They got an eyeball full and left. Yet here I am.

I have a mirror. I know what I look like. I truly don't need you to explain my foibles to me. Especially when you are getting it wrong. I'm self-aware and self-actualized and I make a decent desert topping [floor wax]. Man, did I just date myself with that last attempt at humor. :)

If you want to tar me, use the right brush. :)

wishing well...

Jenny
05-30-2008, 05:54 AM
I'm not trying to save anyone from anyone. I'm just trying to exchange ideas with folks is all.

Jenny, I am sure you see it the way you say it above. I am getting, more and more, the impression you have the idea that intellectual discourse is your corner of this site and anyone who comes in and tries to do the same is a challange and needs to be shouted down or silenced in some way.

That chip on your keyboard must be huge.
You are mistaken. And as I said in the Lounge when you said something similar, I think it is incredibly inappropriate to dismiss the dozens of posters I avidly read and am actively interested in as "non-intellectual" or "not as smart as me" or that I'm the only person who has intellectual discourse on stripperweb. It is an insult and a disservice to the different backgrounds and interests of all the interesting, clever and sometimes brilliant women (and men) who have made stripperweb their internet home and it is simply obviously not true on its face. I really hope you can just stop saying things like this. It is not just impugning my character; it is a general insult to everyone. You also might consider that different people have different ideas on what constitutes "intelligence" and "intelligent discourse"; because you deem it so, does not mean that either I or anyone else here will agree with you.

Lapaholic
05-30-2008, 08:54 AM
No. I have impugned not the charator but the agenda of every other guy, INCLUDING myself, who sticks around here.


Not every guy here has an "agenda". I stick around because this is a fun community. Thats it. If it weren't fun, Id leave. Now that alone may be considered an "agenda" tho I dont think thats what u mean. Many of the people here men ( and women ;) -> Jenny ) are very smart and witty. That keeps me here.

Now do some guys have agendas - sure Ill agree with that and what has been said on this board by the ladies proves that ... But do ALL - no. If people are gonna have a discourse and make bold statements esp a gross generalization- rememeber u said it yourself - show the proof.

MojoJojo
05-30-2008, 10:19 PM
I was wondering if reading what we think and how we feel about certain behaviours in the SC has changed how you behave as a customer?

Did you do something previously that u have now stopped doing because you read on here that we generally hate it?

Have u gone to do something at the club and thought "oh wait they hate that"?

Or have you started doing something that u didn't do before because that behaviour has been praised on here.

Details!!

Yeah - I stopped going to strip clubs.

yoda57us
05-31-2008, 04:54 AM
When what I write is, "Here is what I think about what you said. Tell me what you think in response. Lets get a dialog going and figure something out." That's closed minded to you?

Ok. If you say so. :O

Again, if you say so, but if you look back at your posts to me I think you'll find more than a few references and presumptions as to what you think of me as a person, not too many point/counter-point exchanges. As the kids are fond of saying, "Wha eva". :)

Are you really gone GR? Cause' ya' know, if you are I am not going to bother posting a response to this foolishness...

youngBUTbanking
05-31-2008, 10:13 AM
I attribute this trend mostly to younger patrons, and the way they relate to women in general, but especially in a sexually charged situation like a SC. Younger patrons grew up with abusive rap singers as role models for how they should feel and act around women. We could argue all day (but we won't) about whether the SC environment in and of itself is abusive to women, but it seems clear to me that there is a marked difference in SC expectations and behaviors between young guys (often in a group of other jerks), and older customers who grew up in a different era where we might certainly objectify women as sources of sexual enjoyment, but we do so with at least a thin veil of respect as we go about it!


ha - bullshit.

Docido
05-31-2008, 05:14 PM
I've not been offended by anything I've read here. I know the frequent complaints are not directed at me. I'm not "Crusty McCheese" trying to force a lubed digit into your bodily orifices or "Mr. I Wanna F...K with the Strippers" mind game man. I have no illusions that you love me, want to bang me, or want me to take you away from all this. I'll respect your limits whatever they are and at the end of the night go home. I won't constantly nag you for extras or trips to the Red Roof Inn. It may sound completely bizarre to some, but by letting the stripper be in control, I’ve often been surprised by the wonderful things that happen. And as for bashing, if you read Blue, you know the guys do it too. I’ve written my share of bad trip reports, but over all most of my trips are routine and very enjoyable. I suspect this applies to most strippers on Pink, but writing about the clubbing fiascoes are more fun.

charlie61
05-31-2008, 05:57 PM
If a dancer tells me that if she stays to converse with me she expects to get paid I pay her for it if I request her to stay.

If she sits down on her own and I didn't ask her to stay, then I don't pay. BTW, I won't do things that suggest to her I am contracting her services to keep me company unless I expect to pay, but that doesn't include talking back to her if she speaks to me first.

It would be the equivalent of a contractor coming up to my house, fixing my steps, ringing my doorbell and asking to get paid. Why should I pay for a service I didn't contract for?



I don't want to get too involved in this, but I thought I'd note that the entertainment industry is very, VERY different from other industries. I don't think that your example (contracting) is analogous to what we're talking about in SW. Furthermore, I don't think any dancer who is doing a crappy job of entertaining would claim to still deserve to be paid for it. But if a guy is having a good time, then the stripper should be compensated.

Pretty_Penny
05-31-2008, 06:05 PM
I've not been offended by anything I've read here. I know the frequent complaints are not directed at me. I'm not "Crusty McCheese" trying to force a lubed digit into your bodily orifices or "Mr. I Wanna F...K with the Strippers" mind game man. I have no illusions that you love me, want to bang me, or want me to take you away from all this. I'll respect your limits whatever they are and at the end of the night go home. I won't constantly nag you for extras or trips to the Red Roof Inn. It may sound completely bizarre to some, but by letting the stripper be in control, I’ve often been surprised by the wonderful things that happen. And as for bashing, if you read Blue, you know the guys do it too. I’ve written my share of bad trip reports, but over all most of my trips are routine and very enjoyable. I suspect this applies to most strippers on Pink, but writing about the clubbing fiascoes are more fun.

plz clone yourself.

Pretty_Penny
05-31-2008, 08:18 PM
I never say maybe later anymore. If I actually mean maybe later I'll say "not right now, but I'll let you know" so they don't have to come back and ask. If someone asks me for a dance and I don't want one i'll say "no thank you." And if a dancer sits down and talks with me for a couple of songs, even if I didn't ask her to, I will tip her something for talking with me. And even if a dancer allows touching I never touch because I just don't feel comfortable touching a dancer since it's likely that even if she allows touching she probably doesn't want the customer to touch. I don't believe in active participation in a dance.

plz clone yourself.

in fact, maybe you and docido should go on a roadtrip/SC tour. :P

UtahMike
06-06-2008, 11:43 AM
I for one just hope the dancers aren't back in the dressing room calling us "custies". That's a really goofy word.

Nah, they're calling us assholes, jackasses, suckers, and sugar-daddies.



I asked why would anyone reading that dancers dislike customers come back to a strip-club. Are YOU in the habit of giving your money to people who "hate" you?

I have little interest in whether a dancer (or a waitress, salesclerk, bank teller, etc.) likes me or hates me. I am only interested in the quality of service provided to me.


I am getting, more and more, the impression you have the idea that intellectual discourse is your corner of this site and anyone who comes in and tries to do the same is a challange and needs to be shouted down or silenced in some way.

Intellectual discourse? You think your postings are intellectual discourse? Pardon me. (choking with uncontrollable laughter)

rlams2000
06-06-2008, 06:43 PM
Intellectual discourse? Is that where the word intercourse came from?

UtahMike
06-06-2008, 08:30 PM
My college roommate always claimed that he had signed up for a class titled "Inter-course," and all he had to do was to come between periods.

RetroGuy
06-07-2008, 05:02 AM
You are letting us know too much about you, and what we are learning doesn't really make us want to spend money on strippers.

My experience has been different. SW has given me a better appreciation of how difficult a job dancing is, and how much effort dancers put into figuring out how to do it well. I find I'm more willing to spend money - in stage tipping and private dances and tips - now that I understand some of what it takes to do this job.