View Full Version : When did this become acceptable?
Pretty_Penny
06-13-2008, 06:20 PM
They are supporting the club and the clubs pay the dancers who are on schedule.
the club pays the dancers?????????????????????????????????
not in MOST clubs in the US they sure as hell don't. -we- pay the -clubs- to work there. toronto is different.
the customer who pays a cover, comes in, buys himself drinks and doesn't tip or buy dances has contributed to absolutely 0% of my money. that's how it is for the majority of the girls on this board.
Gabrielle MB
06-13-2008, 06:25 PM
See, that's the thing. "WE" Stripperweb ladies do put these customers in their place. But you have to agree, we are not the norm of what the majority of our co-workers are like...
Sometimes I think (never do, but I'm going to start) about taking posts/quotes from Stripperweb and taping them on the wall to remind these girls (ESPECIALLY the new ones who think this is the norm) not to be selling themselves OR me short by sitting w/ custies for free and bargaining on damn dances!
***Solution!!!*** (or at least a suggestion/ step in the right direction):
If you are a 'house girl' or 'veteran', instead of hating on the new bitches or keeping them out of your 'click', take them under your wing! They don't know that time is money, don't sit for free, customers lie, that's considered dirty and so on.
I had MAJOR issue with a new dancer a few months back. She would sit and sit and sit. She let dudes finger her. She charged $10 for $30 dances, she tried to be a ROB, talked shit about other girls to customers nonstop and more. I came close to killing her. Literally stood in the managers office and threated to beat the living shit out of her in the parking lot and then again if she ever came back to the club if she ever even thought of my name again.
After a week and calming down alot, I really thought about it. She was young and clueless. She had a boyfriend that put her up to dancing. I took her under my wing and made her a 'hustler, baby'. ;D She ended up making a good chunk of change, leaving the bf and quitting. You go girl!
My suggestion is to teach 'em while their fresh. It's hard to learn to be a stripper these days. I couldn't do it myself if I were just starting out.
Maybe we can all put our heads together and think of a way to reform the industry. Maybe this rant thread can be the first to give birth to something positive and affective.
cinammonkisses
06-13-2008, 06:30 PM
In most clubs you have to pay cover charge and buy at least 1 drink. They are supporting the club and the clubs pay the dancers who are on schedule. If a guy walks into a club and sees no one else is there he will likely leave. He also may not have money that time but he may return with money. I've often found many dancers don't think about long term. Besides what harm is he doing? If a dancer is rude or abusive then they definately won't return. At least the guy is honest rather than the type who trys to rip off dancers, be derogatory, assult you etc.
1) Most clubs do not have a mandatory drink minimum...hence why in this very thread, girls were referring to customers who just asked for a cup of water (not even bottled) and sip that while watching dancers for free.
2) I think this holds true to Toronto/Canadian stripclubs..you are paid to do like 18min-30min stage shows or something like that correct? Well that is not the norm here...Girls have to PAY THE CLUB, pay out for EACH dance we do, not to mention TIP the DJ's, housemom, and floorhosts/bouncers.
3) If a customer isn't spending money, and he's taking up space then PLEASE, I beg of him to never return. One less douche = a more livelier environment!
Pretty_Penny
06-13-2008, 06:39 PM
yeah. what i said. :P
greenidlady1
06-13-2008, 07:51 PM
I have noticed some guys are so broke/cheap that they try and bargin with you LOL!!! Last week one guy asked if he could get a lap dance for just half a song and another guy said he would only buy a dance if it were a two for one.
When did strip clubs become used car lots where you bargin for the price of a dance LOL???? I just walk away from these guys with out saying a word haha!Snubbing is one the worst insults in my opinion.
I use to say did you see a sign that said "Flea Market" when you walked in?
StarryEyes
06-13-2008, 11:55 PM
See, that's the thing. "WE" Stripperweb ladies do put these customers in their place. But you have to agree, we are not the norm of what the majority of our co-workers are like...
Sometimes I think (never do, but I'm going to start) about taking posts/quotes from Stripperweb and taping them on the wall to remind these girls (ESPECIALLY the new ones who think this is the norm) not to be selling themselves OR me short by sitting w/ custies for free and bargaining on damn dances!
Yeah, I definitely think we shold educate the girls we work with, esp. the newbies or those who just don't seem to get it.
LadyM
06-14-2008, 12:09 AM
I used to walk guys out as soon as they said they just didnt have money to tip the girl onstage/waitress much less for a dance.
i'd be like "oh awesome." *take their hand start walking*
they'd be like "no no i cant get a dance, i have no money, like nothing"
*still walking* "i know, here's the door :)"
if you cant tip, you're not hanging out at my club.
OMG! That is the best! I swear I'm using that if I go back to work. That's one of the many things that drove me away from working a year ago..cheap ass losers taking up oxygen.
Jenny
06-14-2008, 04:24 AM
2) I think this holds true to Toronto/Canadian stripclubs..you are paid to do like 18min-30min stage shows or something like that correct? Well that is not the norm here...Girls have to PAY THE CLUB, pay out for EACH dance we do, not to mention TIP the DJ's, housemom, and floorhosts/bouncers.In Toronto if you are "on schedule" or a "house girl" (as opposed to a "freelancer") you are paid very nominally by the club - usually something like $50 for 7 hours and 3-5 stages. Maybe $75 in a club that cannot attract freelancers (meaning they don't have great business). You still rely on lapdances. Do not mistake "getting paid by the club" to mean that you can afford to sit on your butt all night.
cinammonkisses
06-14-2008, 06:22 AM
In Toronto if you are "on schedule" or a "house girl" (as opposed to a "freelancer") you are paid very nominally by the club - usually something like $50 for 7 hours and 3-5 stages. Maybe $75 in a club that cannot attract freelancers (meaning they don't have great business). You still rely on lapdances. Do not mistake "getting paid by the club" to mean that you can afford to sit on your butt all night.
True..what dancer can afford to sit on her butt all night. At least you get paid something!!! Some clubs charge housefees higher then the $50-$75 you mentioned.
Sometimes girls walk out of work in the red..at least you can say (if you did no dances) well hey at least I made $50.
Jenny
06-14-2008, 09:30 AM
Well, interestingly, most girls don't do it. They prefer to "freelance" - pay the club (although, again, very nominally compared to what some of you girls are used to). When I do schedule I actually consider it a favour to the club, not a privilege.
But yeah - I get what you say. And even on a normal night $50 is somewhere in the vicinity of 10% of my earnings - a reasonable boost, right? I think what I meant was the fact that some girls may be "on schedule" doesn't make cheap customers coming in by the herd more welcome. We are hardly sitting around going "Oh, I've made my $50. It doesn't matter. I'm good."
CKXXX
06-14-2008, 10:22 AM
I left early last night because of exactly this. The one club I would consent to go to in this area has gone completely ghetto. Girls, custies..everything.There were only a few guys in there last night over the age of 22 and the older ones were just looking for sex. I had to slap one guy in the face after he repeatedly kep shoving his fingers in my panties after I said no. I got up said the dance is over..you dont know what NO means you fucking rapist. He was honestly shocked..."what? You didnt like that? I was LIVID...."honey..learn this and learn it NOW...when a girl ..ESP in a strip club says NO REPEATEDLY she DOESNT WANT IT and you are just raping her when you continue anyway"
Every other guy was the "yo yo..shorty...when you get off so we can chill" type.
MOTHER FUCKERS. I dont "chill" I'm not short(yes I know thats not what that means) and I wouldnt hang out with you for free if my life depended on it. Go get a job and an education. and while you are at it..FUCK OFF.
I'm done with the clubs. Here at least. Theres no point in going back.
Bella21
06-14-2008, 02:52 PM
When they say that they have no money, I point out the wonderful invention of ATM's and credit cards... when they're to the point where they tell me that they either don't have cards or have no money on them, I don't even know what to do. It's like, what in the HELL are you doing here? Shouldn't you be holding up a cardboard sign on the street corner?
I think a lot to do with it is the internet and how easy it is to see any and all kinds of porn and naked girls there now... for free.
CKXXX
06-14-2008, 03:01 PM
I think a lot to do with it is the internet and how easy it is to see any and all kinds of porn and naked girls there now... for free.
Yeah..and believe me..those of us that CAN be downloaded for free arent happy about that either. It pisses me off that all the work I do can be seen for free by any guy whacking off in his basement while the production company and studios bank off me.
It all sucks.
venusace138
06-15-2008, 12:00 AM
Ugh. I wish clubs would catch on to how BAD the broke/free show getting guys are for EVERYONE. Clubs need the 'everyones doing it' momentum to stay afloat. If the majority of customers are tipping, buying dances, buying drinks, etc. - it pressures everyone else to spend. If most guys are being broke and proud, no one else is inspired to spend. If anything, it sets a depressing tone for the club, and makes the guys who ARE there to party and spend split for greener pastures.
*shakes head*
Melonie
06-15-2008, 06:33 AM
Oh, also, girls keep going back to clubs where they routinely make under $100. This keeps clubs open that have the kind of crap business where they let people nurse beers for hours and not tip.
ultimately, clubs that allow this are totally interested in their own profitability (i.e. cover charge, bar bill) than they are about the dancers' earnings potential. Unfortunately, as you point out, there are enough 'financially distressed' dancers around that such clubs can continue to fill their stage with girls who are willing to keep working for $100 or less a night !
A LOT of guys have the mentality now that our industry is a big "game" and we are trying to "scam" them out of their money. thusly, by not "giving us" any of their money, they are smarter than "those other guys" and they are "winning" the game by not spending their cash.
combine that with the attitude that we aren't "doing anything" for the money if we aren't flat out sucking cock, and there you go.
well, this is the flip side of the same situation, with customers also trying to take advantage of 'financially distressed' dancers.
Unfortunately, past days when average customers had enough discretionary income available to drop a couple of hundred bucks in a strip club without worrying about being able to afford paying other bills (gasoline / food etc.) are quickly evaporating. As I have posted about for several years now, the ultimate evolution is likely to be that ...
- girls who are able to work in upscale clubs will continue to do well, because upscale customers will still have lots of extra money for 'discretionary spending' without having to worry about filling their gas tank / buying groceries etc.
- girls who are willing to 'go the extra mile' in high contact clubs will also continue to do well, because average customers will take the risk of being short on gas / grocery money in exchange for some 'gratification' (perceived or actual)
- girls who continue to ply the low contact business model in clubs that can't / don't attract upscale customers are going to see their earnings potential continue to disappoint.
blondhottie
06-15-2008, 06:35 AM
Ugh, I hate this. It happens all the time here too. Guys will come in with MAYBE a couple bucks to tip their favorite dancer on stage and won't have enough to buy any lap dances or dancer drinks. Like you said, they're not apologetic or embarrassed about it in the least. I don't know why-I would feel so guilty and stupid going into a strip club with no money.
A lot of times custies around here will come in 3 or 4 times a week and think the dancers are their friends since they come in so often and by their logic, they don't need to spend much. ::)
jaizaine
06-15-2008, 07:00 AM
Luckily this is not common at my club. It costs $15 to get in and guys who aren't there to spend are made to feel pretty uncomfortable by the dancers. Two guys got banned from our club by my manager because they used to come in and only order one drink and stay there for hours.
Also it's an excuse for many guys when they get a approached by a dancer who they don't like they say they have no money instead of simply saying no.
norcalgirl
06-15-2008, 09:58 AM
In the movie "Vamp" the main characters walk into a strip club and the doorman asks to see their IDs but checks the guy's wallet for cash-I think this should be a club standard.
Jenny
06-15-2008, 03:33 PM
I think we sometimes make the mistake of thinking that the highest qualified strippers are always the highest qualified.... anything else. Like a girl may be a beautiful dancer with a hustle to die for and pole spins that amaze you and still not have basic qualifications for an outside job - so the idea that lowered earnings will result the "best girls" leaving, is a little fallacious. The girls who are most able to leave will leave.
That said - I'm interested in the $100 a night thing. Why? I've seen girls do it - I've seen girls come into work for weeks losing money or averaging maybe the cost of a pack of smokes. I remember when I was in the states one girl quit to go work at Petsmart for $9 an hour and was making more money. I don't judge her, and obviously it was a good move. I mean she's not a bad person because she couldn't make money stripping, I just wonder why she hung on so long. Anyone who has that experience want to comment? I don't want to make anyone feel bad about the money they make, I just really never understood it.
Pretty_Penny
06-15-2008, 06:24 PM
I also think, in regard to this discussion, that it's important to remember that $100 for an 8-hour shift (a considerably long shift in this business) is still $12.50/hour. For girls with no other marketable skills, $12.50/hour isn't a bad wage.
it is when you consider expenses. most people who make 12.50 an hour do not put anywhere near as much money as we do into shoes/make-up/clothes/etc. also, add the physical amount of work (for those of us who actually -work-) and 12.50 an hour doesn't compare to jobs that pay a little less without the labor and expenses (not to mention lack of insurance/benefits).
Pretty_Penny
06-15-2008, 06:36 PM
I think we sometimes make the mistake of thinking that the highest qualified strippers are always the highest qualified.... anything else. Like a girl may be a beautiful dancer with a hustle to die for and pole spins that amaze you and still not have basic qualifications for an outside job - so the idea that lowered earnings will result the "best girls" leaving, is a little fallacious. The girls who are most able to leave will leave.
That said - I'm interested in the $100 a night thing. Why? I've seen girls do it - I've seen girls come into work for weeks losing money or averaging maybe the cost of a pack of smokes. I remember when I was in the states one girl quit to go work at Petsmart for $9 an hour and was making more money. I don't judge her, and obviously it was a good move. I mean she's not a bad person because she couldn't make money stripping, I just wonder why she hung on so long. Anyone who has that experience want to comment? I don't want to make anyone feel bad about the money they make, I just really never understood it.
not that i'm "that bad" but i do make considerably less than what at least 1/2 the girls on here talk about. i'm a "top earner" when business is good, but in a low contact club in a high contact city.
i would say i average (when you total it out over a year) about 25.00 an hour. even if i work 25 hours a week (which i frequently have to do because of school or internships) i'm still pulling at least as much or more than i was teaching full and often overtime.
would i love to make 500+ a shift? of course... but i don't think it's possible anymore in this city. not consistantly and/or without compromising myself anyway.
as far as what keeps girls going when they're breaking even/losing money? i'm not sure really. i've been in that boat a few times during the last month. every single girl at my club -and- (trust me i know) other clubs around here has. i suppose just figuring "it can't stay terrible forever" has us hoping.
it's so up and down right now. one day last week i left with 40 dollars and the day after i left with 300 .... i'm just trying to work as much as possible to try and even it out. *shrug*
miabella
06-15-2008, 06:59 PM
for a lot of girls, if they make 500 once in the month, they are a top earner who makes 500 a shift. that they showed up 12 other times that month and made 20 dollars each time just gets explained away as bad customers, slow season/week, dirty girls giving up too much for cheap, etc.
also, there are plenty of girls who will just sit at home watching tv and figure they might as well come in and work in that case, even if they don't make much for the shift.
then you factor in the girls who see the job as free drinks/drugs and any money they get is a bonus, and it starts to not be surprising that customers forget their own 'spending money' function.
Pretty_Penny
06-15-2008, 09:25 PM
for a lot of girls, if they make 500 once in the month, they are a top earner who makes 500 a shift. that they showed up 12 other times that month and made 20 dollars each time just gets explained away as bad customers, slow season/week, dirty girls giving up too much for cheap, etc.
also, there are plenty of girls who will just sit at home watching tv and figure they might as well come in and work in that case, even if they don't make much for the shift.
then you factor in the girls who see the job as free drinks/drugs and any money they get is a bonus, and it starts to not be surprising that customers forget their own 'spending money' function.
just INCASE that was directed toward my post directly before yours, i am saying that my overall average is amongst the top on my shift. i clearly explained that.
you know, just incase. also, saying i'm a top earner doesn't mean i think i have nothing to learn or that i think i'm "better than" or "hotter than" other people. it's just simply the truth about the average. it just means i know how to make sales. plain and simple. the only exception would be girls who come in, do extras and BANK, and then get fired within a week.
do i blame not making money on lack of customers? fuck yeah i do. when i can point out at least 5 shifts i worked in the last 3 weeks where the total customer count is at least HALF the total dancer count... of COURSE that's going to effect money.
when 1/2 the girls working are leaving with less than 50 bucks, you can't chalk it up to them all being "lazy" or whatever.
miabella
06-15-2008, 09:37 PM
nah, it wasn't directed at you, it was more general.
suprgrl22
06-15-2008, 10:03 PM
I always made it a point to tell guys off if they said they were broke or had to money. I also used the line that it was like looking at the menu and not ordering.
Lol. I never started to walk them out the door though. That's hilarious. A few times i told bouncers that some asshole had touched my ass so that they would get kicked out.
One of the most fun parts of my job is telling off those douche bags who try that shit.
Oh yeah, and pray that your not sitting at the stage without a dollar when its my turn to go up. B/c I have told both girls and guys to leave. I would do my little dance, hold out my garter for my dollar and when they said they didn't have it, I would say then you need to get away from the fucking stage b/c I don't work for free. The girls are the ones who get more offended by this, but they still would leave. Then if the guy didn't leave I would go to the stage bouncer and point directly at the guy and tell on him for not tipping. Then they wished they had gotten up on their own, b/c at that point the bouncer "helped" them up.
MysteriousMisty
06-17-2008, 09:28 AM
I haven't read through all the posts but I personally don't believe every guy who claims he can only afford to drink. I think they use the "I don't have money" as an excuse not to buy a dance. Every guy that walks into a strip club has enough money for both a drink and a dance or more. You just have to know how to get him to give it to you. One day I was sitting at the bar and said hi to a guy who walked up. We made small talk, he said he didn't have a lot of money but we wound up in VIP and I made a quick $100.
Sometimes when guys claim not to have money, it's because they're really waiting for thier favorite dancer or something. I agree, a guy should be ashamed of himself for coming into a strip club if he's broke. I embarassed the hell out of a guy who claimed he had spent all his money and then bought a dance from a non ethnic girl shortly after I walked away. I let them know that if they think they're man enough to walk into a strip club, then be man enough to simply say "no thank you" instead of being a pussy by trying to feed me bull shit."
Julie.t
06-17-2008, 11:13 AM
I can remember dancing to a full stage, and by the end of the first song I had not ONE DOLLAR.
I leaned over to one guy right near the pole, and said:
"I know, it's a bit of a scam... you had to pay $10 to get in, and $10 for two itty-bitty coca-colas... "
he replied by very dramatically pulling a dollar out of his wad of singles that was in his lap and giving me precisely one dollar.
His friends laughed, in their jerkish guy-pat-on-the-back-you-showed-the-stripper way.
I thought for a second, picked up the dollar and ripped it in half.
"You obviously need this much more than I do... so much more that I'll even get you a piece of tape to put it back together."
And I took my still fully clothed self to the other end of the stage, where the guys decided to start tipping...
Sounds like it's gotten worse... who are these girls that sit with them forever???
cinammonkisses
06-17-2008, 04:54 PM
who are these girls that sit with them forever???
The ones we all ee constantly in the back bitching about how shitty it is out "there"...
I'm to the point where I'm gonna post messages from SW on the dressing room walls for them to take notice to. Hell, I may even print it on Neon paper to get their full attention.
holiday
06-17-2008, 05:15 PM
it is when you consider expenses. most people who make 12.50 an hour do not put anywhere near as much money as we do into shoes/make-up/clothes/etc. also, add the physical amount of work (for those of us who actually -work-) and 12.50 an hour doesn't compare to jobs that pay a little less without the labor and expenses (not to mention lack of insurance/benefits).
I don't think so. I know the girls that are making 12.50 an hour at my club aren't paying taxes on it. That right there makes the job a whole lot better for them that 12.50 an hour at a straight job.
My club is FILLED with dancers who make less than $100 a shift, a lot of them are there because of boyfriends, a lot of them sell drugs in the club and do a lot of drugs and drink a lot. And i'm sure once in a while they have a $400 shift and that sort of keeps them around.
There is a list though that has all of the back house fees of dancers that haven't made enough to pay, it's crazy long.
Julie.t
06-17-2008, 07:22 PM
^ I like the neon paper idea... :highfive:
I don't know what's worse - sitting in the DR complaining there's no money, or seeing a bunch of bored dancers in the club because there is no money...
When I waitressed I used to ask the men if they saw a girl that they liked, then I'd drag her butt out of the DR, and most of the time they'd sell a dance or three. ;D
cinammonkisses
06-17-2008, 07:58 PM
When I waitressed I used to ask the men if they saw a girl that they liked, then I'd drag her butt out of the DR, and most of the time they'd sell a dance or three. ;D
I like that approach. I think if I were ever a SC waitress, I'd help the girls out who hooked me up like that. I HOPE they tipped you for that...
Julie.t
06-17-2008, 08:13 PM
I like that approach. I think if I were ever a SC waitress, I'd help the girls out who hooked me up like that. I HOPE they tipped you for that...
They did, and if it was that slow then I wouldn't take the tip... after all, I started waitressing because the waitresses at our club made more than the dancers.
One night there was a total of 17 custies all night, and the five girls who stuck it out to the end made bank on these drunk tourists... you never know what could walk through the door.
Having some form of positive reinforcement of ways to make money is a killer idea... you should make those posters... shifts are just too darn long to keep positive for the whole shift and remember "hey, wait! I'm supposed to be making money!". Then you won't have to keep telling the newbies - you can point!;D
I've noticed as we are having a harder time making $ in this economy-so are the clubs. All they care about is their door fee and their house fee. One club in Danbury ,CT in particular. There was always 2x more dancers than customers. (house fee) and a $10 door charge. And every night was 2 for 1's every hour on the hour. I was routinely making that $100 or less. Why did I stay so long? I was always hoping for the turn around. It's a beautiful club. But for whatever reason it sucked. I also know of extras going on that I wasn't into. So add to the few custies that were there - x amount were going to their fav tit sucking girl and less $ for everyone else.
Yekhefah
06-29-2008, 10:54 PM
A corollary to this phenomenon...
Remember when going to jail was something you were ashamed of? If you went to jail, your reputation was damaged irreparably and you never wanted anyone to know about it, and you certainly didn't bring it up in conversation with people you just met?
Yeah. Those days are over. It's like every day I get some customer who just casually strikes up a conversation of his jail term and the conditions of his parole. When did THAT happen? And what the hell do you say to that kind of thing - congratulations? Ask them whether they were the girlfriend? What?