View Full Version : What should you get for your money?
Everyman
06-13-2008, 05:56 PM
I'm not pretending anything. I'm asking you to spell it out. "Enter the club" is simply too general. What does "enter" mean there?
Are you saying you've never heard of a bar COVER CHARGE? Forget nudie bars -- thousands of just bars across the country charge you to get in (especially on a weekend night). And what do you get for that? Just IN. Or that strange word, to "enter". Not drinks. Not food. In.
Other examples besides the renaissance fairs, boat shows, etc.:
Warehouse clubs -- Sam's or Costco -- have a membership fee. What do you get for it? IN. That's it.
There's a HUGE flea market outside Augusta, GA (the biggest in the country, I think). Charges $7 to get in. What do you get for it? IN. That's it.
The Royal American Barbecue contest in Kansas City charges like $10 to get in. And you don't get 1 bite of barbecue for that. Just IN. You have to pay for the barbecue.
Anything cracking that skull yet?
Yekhefah
06-13-2008, 06:17 PM
Cover charge is for the club. You can sit in the club on their chairs and enjoy the roof over your head. It doesn't get you any drinks from the bar, and it doesn't take care of the dancers for you if the dancers aren't paid by the club. Cover charge is only part of the experience because without the dancers, there would be no club, and you still have to pay the dancers for the entertainment they provide.
When you go to the movies, everyone involved (cast, crew, theater staff, etc.) has been paid already. It's not like the strip club because you still bear the responsibility of paying for the entertainment.
carmen_b
06-13-2008, 09:27 PM
^ We have given this dude way too much of our time already. I'm afraid to ask this and donate more time to this lost cause ..... but ..... here it goes:
What do you expect from your $20 ?
Perhaps that will solve the mystery of why you are not seeming to " get " the concept of a cover charge .
RoseLeigh
06-13-2008, 10:46 PM
^^ I highly suspect someone felt slighted at a certain well know PA club and has decided to take it out here.
made_of_sequins
06-14-2008, 12:27 AM
^^ I highly suspect someone felt slighted at a certain well know PA club and has decided to take it out here.
I gave him a lapdance way back when I was there. :P I don't know why that amuses me, but it does!
i.breathe.in
06-14-2008, 12:38 AM
ever talk to a brick wall? i think thats what this whole thread has been. i dont thnk anyone could have said it more blunt easy and simpler then all he replies here, and its still a lost cause. :P
TheTempest
06-14-2008, 12:48 AM
See, specifics aren't so difficult. So, a seat for some unspecified period of time, not next to the stage and with no guaranteed show or specific field of view. Anything else?
We are not under any obligation to be nice to you. If you're not a customer to us, I don't see a need for customer relations. You could potentially be taking up a seat that someone else could have paid their 20 bucks for who IS utilizing the services offered. So... we consider you to be taking up precious space.
LadyM
06-14-2008, 01:01 AM
I was browsing through other threads and ran across Yekhefah's about when it became acceptable to go to a strip club and just hang out.
I can understand the frustration of having a bunch of people in the room who aren't buying. Who wants to be any place where the potential customers windowshop but don't buy? There is a flip side to it, though.
Even on the weekdays, a bunch of these clubs charge $20 or more just to walk through the door. A beer you could get any place else for $3 is $6-7. A single mixed drink costs more than the bottle would if you made your own.
If I pay $10 at a movie theater, I don't have to buy the $5 soda or a $6 hot dog, I can go, find a seat, and watch the whole movie.
So, the question for the dancers is: leaving the drinks/food/parking issues aside, if I pay my $20 at the door, what, exactly, am I supposed to get for my money?
You get the dubious honor of becoming the poster child for bad customers and everything that has started declining on the customer's end of this business. Here's your sign.
maximvsv
06-14-2008, 01:16 AM
Sorry to leave things unattended.
I have no idea what you are talking about here. Of course the club has the right to eject you after you pay the cover - whether after one second, one minute or one hour. That is the way that private premises work. Clubs generally don't randomly eject people because - why would they? But if you paid the cover, walked in and (for example) refused to remove your hat - you would be asked to leave. If you paid the cover, walked in and urinated on the floor - you would be asked to leave. Etc. Paying the cover isn't a leasehold. They can still kick you out.
What makes you say this? Have you actually looked up the regulations for Ontario?
Ontario? No, but now that you mentioned it, I think that I may.
There are plenty of reasons why someone with a business could have a reason to pick a person out to remove from the business. That's not the point, either.
Say that you've done nothing else. You have only paid your admission fee and taken that one step and nothing else, not one thing more, have you received what you are supposed to receive? Sure, if you are then turned away, you may have your evening's plans frustrated. It may interfere with your social life or any other number of things. Maybe you'd want the money back; maybe you wouldn't. However, you have, at that point, handed over $20. In addition to all of the other myriad things that you could experience, are you supposed to believe that you have received all that your money entitled you to if you are turned away after that first one-quarter second?
See, that's the question. What is it supposed to get you?
I can understand the whole "Since I didn't get anything from the money at the door, you shouldn't get anything for paying it" perspective, and if that's your conclusion, fine. But if that's what you mean, then say so. Often enough, it comes across that way. However, if that $20 is supposed to get you even one thing--even one--what, exactly, is it?
Tempest is the only dancer who's tried to articulate it, though through a description of what it is not supposed to get you, but even she leaves part of it to generality.
Yekhefah sounds like she's on the verge of coming to a conclusion on it.
RebeccaSolidarity
06-14-2008, 02:37 AM
Ummm.
What with the hey now?
Son, you are out of your god damned head.
thisunrest
06-14-2008, 03:16 AM
I'm not pretending anything. I'm asking you to spell it out. "Enter the club" is simply too general. What does "enter" mean there?
Stop trying to play "smart and condescending."
"What does "enter" mean there?"...Seriousley?
It means you go in the fucking door...Jesus.:banghead:
Brendita
06-14-2008, 04:03 AM
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Jenny
06-14-2008, 04:14 AM
There are plenty of reasons why someone with a business could have a reason to pick a person out to remove from the business. That's not the point, either.
Of course it is - you brought up being ejected a quarter second after paying $20 cover. I pointed out that, certainly they are allowed to eject you and pointed out some circumstances in which they are likely to. The fact that bars do not randomly kick people out is a business decision, not a contractual obligation. If you buy a drink, they can throw you out before you drink it as well.
Say that you've done nothing else. You have only paid your admission fee and taken that one step and nothing else, not one thing more, have you received what you are supposed to receive?
I'm sorry, are you standing in the doorway in this silly construction? Because they would probably ask you to move. Yes. That is what you are "supposed" to receive. You are not entitled to a seat - if all the seats are taken you have to stand. You are not entitled to remain without buying drinks - in most places I've worked you'd be asked to leave if you didn't buy from the bar. You are entitled to do nothing more than enter the bar in order to spend more money. Yes. That is exactly what you are supposed to receive. The ability to buy drinks and dances in this particular bar. If you find that unfair - you are taking it up with the wrong people.
Sure, if you are then turned away, you may have your evening's plans frustrated. It may interfere with your social life or any other number of things. Maybe you'd want the money back; maybe you wouldn't. However, you have, at that point, handed over $20. In addition to all of the other myriad things that you could experience, are you supposed to believe that you have received all that your money entitled you to if you are turned away after that first one-quarter second?
Yes. Would you feel hard done by? Sure - same as if you ordered a drink in a non-strip-non-cover-bar and were ejected 3 seconds after you paid for no reason you can see. You would feel that you were treated unfairly and probably not go back. Which is why clubs don't tend to randomly eject people, but instead only eject those who are causing some problem. But yes - you have received everything you are meant to receive.
See, that's the question. What is it supposed to get you?
I don't think it gets more clear than "it gets you in the door". I get that you find the answer unfair. That doesn't mean it isn't the answer.
I can understand the whole "Since I didn't get anything from the money at the door, you shouldn't get anything for paying it" perspective, and if that's your conclusion, fine. But if that's what you mean, then say so. Often enough, it comes across that way. However, if that $20 is supposed to get you even one thing--even one--what, exactly, is it?
It's not just a matter of whether we "get anything." It's a matter of the whole club system. You are still expected to buy drinks - you don't have to buy alcohol, but you have to buy something. You still have to tip your waitress or bartender. And yes, you still have to compensate the dancers you are watching. The cover charge gets you the privilege of paying all these other people; it is not a substitute for it. That is what the cover charge is for. To walk in the door. To take that one step and then spend yet more money. That is all. That is what you get. Entrance. That's all. In the door. Nothing more. Nothing at all. Just that.
Casual Observer
06-14-2008, 04:17 AM
Wow...new levels of obtuseness have been reached with this thread, and we're collectively stupider as a result.
What did we get from that?
Everyman
06-14-2008, 06:43 AM
ever talk to a brick wall? i think thats what this whole thread has been. i dont thnk anyone could have said it more blunt easy and simpler then all he replies here, and its still a lost cause. :P
I think he just wants someone to say, "yes, for $20, you get to look at me naked, and you don't have to spend any more." Then he will feel like he won.
OP, you can look at me naked for $20. But, I have a feeling you'd want your money back, and then want me to pay YOU $20 just for the trauma.
Dance Fan
06-14-2008, 07:32 AM
It's like this, and you already know it, I suspect.
Management charges a cover charge because they can. People will pay it, and they will make money. They provide practically nothing for that cover charge because they can get away with doing that.
Sure guys would rather spend that twenty bucks on a lap dance, but if they don't pay the twenty bucks for the cover, they don't get to buy ANY lap dances.
Why does management charge the dancers a house fee? Because they CAN. What do the dancers get out of that? The opportunity to dance naked on stage and in laps in the hope of making enough money to turn a profit at the end of the night, after that house fee and various tipouts.
What can you do about it? Nothing. Except stay home or go somewhere that doesn't charge a cover charge, and accept the quality of entertainment that you find there.
You are arguing with the wrong people, anyway. Go take your analogies to movie theatres, rennaisance faires, and auto shows to the managers. I am sure they will listen politely to everything you have to say, and then they will realize the unfarness of their practices and do away with the cover charges.
Along with Everyman's answer just below UtahMike's doesn't this really answer it?
RoseLeigh
06-14-2008, 09:28 AM
I think he just wants someone to say, "yes, for $20, you get to look at me naked, and you don't have to spend any more." Then he will feel like he won.
OP, you can look at me naked for $20. But, I have a feeling you'd want your money back, and then want me to pay YOU $20 just for the trauma.
Never thought I'd be agreeing with you E-man, but I think you've hit the nail on the head.
TheTempest
06-14-2008, 10:21 AM
I think he just wants someone to say, "yes, for $20, you get to look at me naked, and you don't have to spend any more." Then he will feel like he won.
OP, you can look at me naked for $20. But, I have a feeling you'd want your money back, and then want me to pay YOU $20 just for the trauma.
Well, that's not true. I'm all for lying to customers when they're actually in the club but it's more fun.
lastone
06-14-2008, 10:25 AM
Maximvsv,
A lot of people have been hard on you, but some of my best SC experiences have come when my favorite is on stage the only other custies sitting at her stage feel like you do. When she gets on stage, I put down a sizable tip. You guys are relieved because you think you will get a good show and not pay anything for it. You're finally going to get your money's worth from your cover charge.
She begins her set with all the graceful, sexy moves that made her my favorite in the first place. She sees what is happening, and she smiles at me, because she knows she is going to act out one of my favorite fantasies. She comes up to me and kneels down, smiling. She will not turn her head from me for the rest of her time on stage. She knows if you part with your wrinkled $1 bill, I'll see it and tell her, because she has to dance close to you if you do. But by now she hopes you won't, because I'm going to tip extra. She'll make more money if you hang on to your precious change. So save your money. We're doing fine. Really. She wants you to enjoy her show for free. Trust me on this.
She now leans forward, so I can stare hungerly down her cleavage. You get the fantasy of hoping she will soon do that for you. I get the reality of knowing she won't. Since she knows I enjoy partial nudity even more that full, she won't take off her top. She'll pull it down just enough so I can see her breasts, but no one else can. She'll lean forward and whisper hotly in my ear, telling me all the naughty things she is going to do to me in the lap dance area. You get the fantasy of hoping she will come over and do the same thing for you. I get the reality of knowing she won't.
When her set is over, she can leave her stage right away. She's already dressed, and she doesn't have to walk all over the stage gathering tips, since the pile I gave her is right in front of her. She scoops it up, including the $10 I gave her, and stuffs it into her purse. She gets off the stage, kisses me on the cheek and gives me a big hug. Then she grabs my hand and drags me to the lap dance area, where she gives me some super hot dances. You get to watch us leave, without paying one cent.
So everyone is happy.
yoda57us
06-14-2008, 10:27 AM
To me there is nothing in the world more boring than going to a strip club when you don't have the money to spend on the dancers. Honestly, if a $20 cover charge has put you in a financial situation that makes it impossible for you to tip at the stage or buy dances than you probably should not be in the club in the first place.
made_of_sequins
06-14-2008, 11:23 AM
OP, you can look at me naked for $20. But, I have a feeling you'd want your money back, and then want me to pay YOU $20 just for the trauma.
aha...so that means we probably would want to see you naked. Because the guys who make jokes about how no one would want them to take their clothes off, are almost always the hot ones that I totally would want to see naked. ;) The ones who think they're hot...usually aren't.
yeah yeah, I'm threadjacking. But really, with such a thick-headed OP, what more is there to say on the original topic? ::)
CKXXX
06-14-2008, 11:35 AM
and this thread didnt get closed why??? oh wait...i know..wrong people fighting
jaizaine
06-14-2008, 11:40 AM
I understand that you want to make money, too, but that is not the issue.
Yes it is the issue. We don't get a cut of your $20 door fee so we don't care WE SIMPLY DONT CARE what u r getting for your money.
The door fee is just for access to the club to stop random perves with no intention of spending money from coming in. It is also one of the clubs way of making a profit.
We are independent contractors. If you watch the stage shows for free and don't tip we are entertaining you for free.
If you don't have at least a little bit to spend on tipping then u have no place being in there.
I think I understand what u r trying to get at - you don't accept that there is an entry charge and you want us to say well you get to look at naked women on stage and it's then up to you if you want to spend any more money. That is one way you can do it certainly many cheap skates do. We don't appreciate this type of person and they are known as a patron rather than a customer. The club might be happy to have you there for the sake of numbers but the dancers do not get anything out of this. In fact you probably just waste our time all night.
What you get out of your strip club visit is mostly up to you. If you pay the entry fee and do not spend another dollar in the venue then I suspect your visit won't be a pleasant one.
Everyman
06-14-2008, 11:41 AM
aha...so that means we probably would want to see you naked. Because the guys who make jokes about how no one would want them to take their clothes off, are almost always the hot ones that I totally would want to see naked. ;) The ones who think they're hot...usually aren't.
yeah yeah, I'm threadjacking. But really, with such a thick-headed OP, what more is there to say on the original topic? ::)
Uh.....yeah, I didn't want to say anything, but you're EXACTLY right.
(And it's a good thing we will never meet anywhere but cyberspace.)
Yekhefah
06-14-2008, 11:41 AM
Lastone, I do that too. :D
Oh, and I'm not "near" a conclusion. You asked a stupid question and I answered it with more respect than it deserved. Please, in the future, stay home and spend your $20 on a case of beer and a Pay-Per-View porno (though you'd be more likely to download it for free online).
Jenny
06-14-2008, 11:59 AM
and this thread didnt get closed why??? oh wait...i know..wrong people fighting
The thread didn't get closed because I didn't think that the "fighting" was overpowering the discussion. And, of course, we don't normally shut down threads because we think someone might have asked a dumb question. If you have a problem with any particular post, please report it and we will evaluate it that way rather than by derailing the discussion.
Thank you.
Jenny.
Jenny
06-14-2008, 12:00 PM
However, that said - my friends, do try to keep it civil.
made_of_sequins
06-14-2008, 12:43 PM
But definitely not always.
Trust me on this.
Some of us are only mildly delusional, not completely certifiable. ;)
OK, now I'm curious, and I require shirtless pictures of both Pan Dah and Everyman. }:D
CKXXX
06-14-2008, 02:38 PM
The thread didn't get closed because I didn't think that the "fighting" was overpowering the discussion. And, of course, we don't normally shut down threads because we think someone might have asked a dumb question. If you have a problem with any particular post, please report it and we will evaluate it that way rather than by derailing the discussion.
Thank you.
Jenny.
It's been insulting and going around in circles..MUCH worse then other threads that have been locked because of misbehaving in the past.
I'm not complaining..merely making an observation. Carry on.
Jenny
06-14-2008, 03:40 PM
Thank you CK. In the future if you have an issue with a thread please use the "report post" function. It will be much easier for all of us to see your point of view if it does not seem to have what you might call other motivations.
bem401
06-14-2008, 07:01 PM
The cover charge entitles you to enter the club and view the festivities from afar. You get no beverages and no interaction with the girls. You probably can't sit stageside either. Most guys who visit the clubs would not understand why you would visit given those constraints and the girls will think you a douchebag, but you would be getting exactly what the management determines you get for the cost of admission. Its possible the club might also have a drink minimum but usually those don't occur with a cover in place. Peop[e can complaqin all they want about how useless such guys are and I tend to agree but they are fixtures in SC's and will be for the forseeable future. The club determines whether they should be there or not and as long as the club can get 50 of these guys a day to spend $20 and nothing more, that puts over $350K in the owner's pocket in the course of a year and no matter how useless you may be to dancers and other patrons, you are very useful to the owner and its only his opinion that matters.
Jeska
06-14-2008, 07:23 PM
If I pay $10 at a movie theater, I don't have to buy the $5 soda or a $6 hot dog, I can go, find a seat, and watch the whole movie.
This would be a good example, if strippers didn't ALSO pay to walk in the door like you did.
Seriously, someone here should type up a quick and clever informative letter that us dancers can print out, bring to work and hand out to all the cheap ass losers every night to save us the waste of time and energy of explaining it to them.
cinammonkisses
06-14-2008, 07:39 PM
Seriously, someone here should type up a quick and clever informative letter that us dancers can print out, bring to work and hand out to all the cheap ass losers every night to save us the waste of time and energy of explaining it to them.
Ooooh good idea! And put them on every table in the club! I love this idea!!!!
miabella
06-14-2008, 09:49 PM
it's been done. customers cheerily ignore it.
polo99
06-14-2008, 11:20 PM
For me its simple...
20 bucks gets me to watch nude girls...
other services are provided for extra money
but just like at a movie, the $20 fee gets me to watch the show.
movie ticket-gets you the right to watch the show
strip club entrance fee- get you the right to watch the show
the show= girls dancing
20 bucks= the RIGHT to get to watch girls dancing
Yekhefah
06-14-2008, 11:22 PM
It's called earning a living, babe. Your $20 does NOT entitle you to steal from me, and when you watch my show without paying ME, then you are stealing from me. You're right, it's very simple.
TheTempest
06-14-2008, 11:23 PM
For me its simple...
20 bucks gets me to watch nude girls...
other services are provided for extra money
but just like at a movie, the $20 fee gets me to watch the show.
movie ticket-gets you the right to watch the show
strip club entrance fee- get you the right to watch the show
the show= girls dancing
20 bucks= the RIGHT to get to watch girls dancing
You didn't read any of the other posts, did you? Why should you have the right to watch us dance if you haven't paid us for it?
polo99
06-14-2008, 11:35 PM
But I actually did pay for it. You guys aren't getting this, its way too simple!!
ok here is an alternative
Here at SF they have a club called Lusty lady.
The way it works is that the girls dance on stage, but the stage is covered by booths and "screens". So the custy have to go in the booth, and the screen only goes up if the customer inserts a dollar. then after about 45-60 sec, the screen goes down. And the customer does this until he/she feels like it. So basically the custy can only see the girls dancing, if he pays for the time. There is no cover charge to get in. Its kind of like a peep show. The lusty lady is partially owned by all the dancers that work there. Co-op they call it or something like that.
Would this be better for you ladies?
polo99
06-14-2008, 11:44 PM
So that you guys wont start jumping on me,ill give tell you this
every custy that is in the front row should be tipping. Even if its 1-2 bucks a song
I tip every time im in the front row, believe me or not. And the club i go to is big enough so that if you sit way in the back, you cant see anything good. So yeah, custys should tip because you guys are working on tips.
Yekhefah
06-14-2008, 11:45 PM
The dancers are being paid at the Lusty Lady. At the strip club, the dancer has not been paid for her services until YOU pay her. You have a moral and ethical obligation to pay the dancer for services rendered, because she isn't up there getting naked just because she has nothing better to do. She's at WORK, and she's there to earn a living. Your $20 cover charge means absolutely nothing to the dancers because we don't see a penny of it. You still have to tip for the show once you're in the club.
polo99
06-14-2008, 11:51 PM
Well i think that instead of naggin on the custys
nag on the CLUB
it is the CLUBS fault!!!!
Just like at the movies, a part of the money you payed for the ticket goes to the movie. But since non of the cover goes to you, i agree you shouldnt work for free. Its not the custys fault, but the system, the club that is really taking your money. When there is a girl dancing on stage, and there are hardly any tippers, i do put in at least 2-3 bucks/song, because i know that she isnt working for nothing.
Biggieman
06-14-2008, 11:55 PM
I'm not pretending anything. I'm asking you to spell it out. "Enter the club" is simply too general. What does "enter" mean there?
LOL. So do you ask the doorperson that when you pay the cover charge? You give them $20 and say, "Now what am I supposed to do?"
Do you ask the doorperson, "What precisely does this get me?" No, you don't. Because you already know it merely allows your goofy behind in the club.
This is right up there with Bill Clinton asking for the definition of "is." Stop playing stupid.
The longer this thread goes on, the more it would appear he's not playing.
Puts on moderator hat:
Okay, everyone, let's remember what we learned in kindergarten - there are no stupid questions.
I think maxim has proven that theory wrong.
To paraphrase from one of those movies you saw (where you of course didn't buy a drink or a hot dog or anything else),
Maxim, what you've just said are some of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent responses were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Yekhefah
06-14-2008, 11:57 PM
Like I've ALREADY said in this thread (you should really read the thread before posting here)...
When you go to the movies, the cast has been paid. The crew has been paid. The distributors and other hundreds of people involved in the film have been paid. The kid who sold you your ticket is getting a paycheck. Your movie ticket covers those costs. In the strip club, your cover charge does NOT cover all associated costs. YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY THE DANCERS. Passing off your responsibility on the club and the "system" is bullshit and you know it.
And really, if $2 means that much to you, then you probably ought to just stay home.
polo99
06-15-2008, 12:03 AM
Ok, tell me this. If the CLUB payed you $15 of the $20, would we still be having this discussion?
polo99
06-15-2008, 12:06 AM
If the answer is no, then why do you think its BS the whole "system" thing?
TheTempest
06-15-2008, 12:07 AM
Well i think that instead of naggin on the custys
nag on the CLUB
it is the CLUBS fault!!!!
Just like at the movies, a part of the money you payed for the ticket goes to the movie. But since non of the cover goes to you, i agree you shouldnt work for free. Its not the custys fault, but the system, the club that is really taking your money. When there is a girl dancing on stage, and there are hardly any tippers, i do put in at least 2-3 bucks/song, because i know that she isnt working for nothing.'
I wish I thought you were kidding, but I really think you believe what you're saying. We pay the club to work there. They take a cut of our dances (at certain clubs). And we're supposed to "nag the club"? They'll tell us we aren't welcome to dance there anymore. We don't have the same rights as employees and they don't have to let us work there.
But you think it's OK to tip when there's no one else tipping, so essentially the other times you don't tip you're oogling a girl on someone else's dime. Your door fee does not go to us, does not purchase our services, and while that doesn't stop you from seeing us naked... don't expect a full out show for you if you give us $0.
Nope, i wont stay at home because for $20, i get to watch lots of girls dancing.
And you get lots of girls pissed at you!
TheTempest
06-15-2008, 12:14 AM
Ok, tell me this. If the CLUB payed you $15 of the $20, would we still be having this discussion?
No, we might not. But it would also make us employees and change everything about the job.
And, of course, they DON'T pay us to work there. So... what, we're supposed to fight the system? It'd be insanely easier if guys like you just stopped being cheap and paid us for our services instead of assuming that paying the place we pay to work should somehow make us bow at your feet.
THANK YOU FOR PAYING SOMEONE OTHER THAN ME TO SEE ME NAKED!
polo99
06-15-2008, 12:14 AM
ok-
I DO TIP every time i sit in the front row.
I give tips if the girls does a good Lap dance.
Believe it or not.
jaizaine
06-15-2008, 12:59 AM
^^
I think u mean in your earlier post that by paying the entry you can observe the stage from a distance?
As long as u are not sitting at the stage (tipping rail) then I think this is ok.
BUT I qualify that with the argument that the strip club relies on the majority of people spending money on alcohol and dances as well for the system to work. So while I agree that you are able to view naked women on stage from a distance for paying your entry fee, that you should be considering who you would like a dance from and then get lap dances from one or more ladies.
polo99
06-15-2008, 01:08 AM
Yeah the thing about a strip club
is that you cant have any kind of fun
without paying more than the $20 dollar cover charge.
I always buy at least 1 or 2 LD's