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Lysondra
07-02-2008, 07:07 AM
I love how I turned this thread. Before I commented, it was like pigeons in a box of truffles. But totally not like books on a breadboard.

TheTempest
07-02-2008, 07:12 AM
I love how I turned this thread. Before I commented, it was like pigeons in a box of truffles. But totally not like books on a breadboard.

Did I say I missed you yet?

Lysondra
07-02-2008, 07:13 AM
:blush:

But no really, what was this thread about?

UtahMike
07-02-2008, 07:14 AM
The Random Thread returns, with sprinkles and maple syrup.

gingergrl
07-02-2008, 04:56 PM
You get to go in the club. Like entering a nite club you pay the cover and are allowed in. What you do in there is up to you.
If you still have question about what you get ask a manager or owner cause you paid THEM. We pay to enter as well (house fee) and what WE do is work.

gingergrl
07-02-2008, 04:58 PM
Oh wait I know what you get a hot sexy lap dance with the big ole bouncer.
(ewww mental image of the bouncer at my club ugh!!)

Luxurious1
07-02-2008, 05:19 PM
What u need to get is a f-ing clue.

BalletBaby
07-03-2008, 02:06 AM
Hahahahaha. This thread is hilarious.

Sophia_Starina
07-03-2008, 03:40 AM
I think the cover charge buys you some time before you need to start spending more money. I would think that $20/hour is about a minimum that you should be spending in the club--whether on drinks or dancers. So if the cover was $20, I think it entitles you to an hour of time in the club before you really should start spending some more money. If the cover is $10, then you get about 1/2 hour before you really should be spending.


Dunno what clubs you've been going to.... but an hour of my time starts at $500. Plus tip.

CKXXX
07-03-2008, 07:33 AM
Peanut butter on hummingbirds makes pretty gangsters.

thats all I have to say...

Lysondra
07-03-2008, 07:45 AM
This entire thread is an adult version of Mad Libs, really, isn't it?

NewMoon
07-03-2008, 10:30 AM
You know, maximvsv, I actually think this is something that is worth discussion but your arguments are so flawed it's impossible to do that.

NewMoon
07-03-2008, 10:31 AM
Dunno what clubs you've been going to.... but an hour of my time starts at $500. Plus tip. I don't think he means he is paying $20 for one hour of a dancer's time but rather he budgets his spending by the hour. eg. if he's there 7pm-12am he will spend 5 hours x $20 = $100 whether that is 3 songs VIP with one girl or 5 single floor dances from 5 separate girls.

NewMoon
07-03-2008, 10:35 AM
what a moron. are you seriously a four year old
who doesn't understand basic economics?

you are a prime example of why strip clubs
are suffering. if you cannot pay BOTH the club
AND the dancers, then don't go. paying the
club only entitles you to enjoy the building
not the services of the human beings working
IN the building.
Nicely put!

Miniman
07-03-2008, 07:34 PM
So, the question for the dancers is: leaving the drinks/food/parking issues aside, if I pay my $20 at the door, what, exactly, am I supposed to get for my money?

Well as a customer...and not having read the entire thread....

For your $20, you get through the door. Once through the door, you should spend some additional money to keep the club and the girls in business. So my advice, don't go to a club with just $20!

I always budget and plan my trips to the club, because when I go, I want to have a good time and I want the girls who dance for me to have a good time. The budget side sounds strange, but I have a favourite dancer and I want to make sure she does well when I come by. And I also have a rule that if a girl stops and spends time with me (not just a 30 second hi, my name is X. What is your name? Where are you from? Want a dance?), I will buy her a drink and at least one dance (but that is rare. Normally I buy a minimum of two dances).

I mention this simply because there is an opposite side to the question you pose which is "what should the girls expect when you walk through the door?" They are there to earn a living, so it is unfair of anyone to pay a cover charge and then come into a club and not spend anything more.

maximvsv
07-04-2008, 04:00 AM
oh, and btw, maxim, you're the reason that the Philly Stripperfest was cancelled. Nobody wanted to go after you invited yourself.

If you'd have just said so, I'd have not attended.

Mr Hyde
07-10-2008, 11:29 AM
That cover charge is for several reasons-

1-The house has to make money, obviously
2-The house only wants people that can afford a $20 cover charge
3-If you are willing to fork over 20 bucks to get in, the theory is, you have enough money for dances, drinks, etc
4-The club doesn't want people that aren't willing to spend $20 to get in (ie, it keeps the riff-raff out)

haleym
07-10-2008, 01:25 PM
Here's how this entire thread sounded to me:

I once had a cat that was a lot like a bulldozer but it was not like a chimney sweep and more like a set of Venecian blinds in a mansion. But now that we're on the subject, grapes remind me of outdoor sports while stamps are like address books. Did you know that a baseball bat is very similar to the hokey pokey?

Awesomeness.

maximvsv
07-11-2008, 02:47 AM
Mr. Hyde, etc., first, I suspect that you aren't really looking at the words in the question. Maybe this will help?

should (shʊd)
aux.v., Past tense of shall.
Used to express obligation or duty: You should send her a note.
Used to express probability or expectation: They should arrive at noon.
Used to express conditionality or contingency: If she should fall, then so would I.
Used to moderate the directness or bluntness of a statement: I should think he would like to go.
USAGE NOTE Like the rules governing the use of shall and will on which they are based, the traditional rules governing the use of should and would are largely ignored in modern American practice. Either should or would can now be used in the first person to express conditional futurity: If I had known that, I would (or somewhat more formally, should) have answered differently. But in the second and third persons only would is used: If he had known that, he would (not should) have answered differently. Would cannot always be substituted for should, however. Should is used in all three persons in a conditional clause: if I (or you or he) should decide to go. Should is also used in all three persons to express duty or obligation (the equivalent of ought to): I (or you or he) should go. On the other hand, would is used to express volition or promise: I agreed that I would do it. Either would or should is possible as an auxiliary with like, be inclined, be glad, prefer, and related verbs: I would (or should) like to call your attention to an oversight. Here would was acceptable on all levels to a large majority of the Usage Panel in an earlier survey and is more common in American usage than should. • Should have is sometimes incorrectly written should of by writers who have mistaken the source of the spoken contraction should've. See Usage Notes at if, rather, shall.



People seem to think that I used the word "do" instead of "should", so I tried to clarify by using the word "supposed".

sup·posed (sə-pōzd', -pō'zĭd)
adj.
Presumed to be true or real without conclusive evidence.

Intended: medication that is supposed to relieve pain.
Required: He is supposed to go to the store.
Permitted: We are not supposed to smoke here.
Firmly believed; expected: You're supposed to be my friend.

For some reason, that, too, seems to escape most of the responding posters' comprehension for whatever reason. It's not as if the responding dancers aren't capable of comprehending the words in the question. It seems more that the conscious articulation their own expectations is either so alien a concept, or so unusual, that they simply deny that it is what they have been asked.

At this point, I suspect that any further semantics or etymology is only going to either skew what additional relevant responses issue from the dancers queried or inspire further departure from the original question.

Second, responses by non-dancers seems to also inspire further departure from the original question, which, in this forum, is specifically directed to the dancers. Mind you, I wouldn't demand, or even ask, for anyone of any occupation to refrain from posting a response. So far, though, the responses that disregard the words in the question and disregard the context of the forum in which it is presented have only increased the amount of frustration expressed by the responding dancers, which does them a disservice.

Of course, if hummingbirds, breadboards or maple syrup are of such interest to you that you desire to expound upon them, go ahead. It's your forum, too.

Mr Hyde
07-11-2008, 08:27 AM
Mr. Hyde, etc., first, I suspect that you aren't really looking at the words in the question. Maybe this will help?

should (shʊd)
aux.v., Past tense of shall.
Used to express obligation or duty: You should send her a note.
Used to express probability or expectation: They should arrive at noon.
Used to express conditionality or contingency: If she should fall, then so would I.
Used to moderate the directness or bluntness of a statement: I should think he would like to go.
USAGE NOTE Like the rules governing the use of shall and will on which they are based, the traditional rules governing the use of should and would are largely ignored in modern American practice. Either should or would can now be used in the first person to express conditional futurity: If I had known that, I would (or somewhat more formally, should) have answered differently. But in the second and third persons only would is used: If he had known that, he would (not should) have answered differently. Would cannot always be substituted for should, however. Should is used in all three persons in a conditional clause: if I (or you or he) should decide to go. Should is also used in all three persons to express duty or obligation (the equivalent of ought to): I (or you or he) should go. On the other hand, would is used to express volition or promise: I agreed that I would do it. Either would or should is possible as an auxiliary with like, be inclined, be glad, prefer, and related verbs: I would (or should) like to call your attention to an oversight. Here would was acceptable on all levels to a large majority of the Usage Panel in an earlier survey and is more common in American usage than should. • Should have is sometimes incorrectly written should of by writers who have mistaken the source of the spoken contraction should've. See Usage Notes at if, rather, shall.



People seem to think that I used the word "do" instead of "should", so I tried to clarify by using the word "supposed".

sup·posed (sə-pōzd', -pō'zĭd)
adj.
Presumed to be true or real without conclusive evidence.

Intended: medication that is supposed to relieve pain.
Required: He is supposed to go to the store.
Permitted: We are not supposed to smoke here.
Firmly believed; expected: You're supposed to be my friend.

For some reason, that, too, seems to escape most of the responding posters' comprehension for whatever reason. It's not as if the responding dancers aren't capable of comprehending the words in the question. It seems more that the conscious articulation their own expectations is either so alien a concept, or so unusual, that they simply deny that it is what they have been asked.

At this point, I suspect that any further semantics or etymology is only going to either skew what additional relevant responses issue from the dancers queried or inspire further departure from the original question.

Second, responses by non-dancers seems to also inspire further departure from the original question, which, in this forum, is specifically directed to the dancers. Mind you, I wouldn't demand, or even ask, for anyone of any occupation to refrain from posting a response. So far, though, the responses that disregard the words in the question and disregard the context of the forum in which it is presented have only increased the amount of frustration expressed by the responding dancers, which does them a disservice.

Of course, if hummingbirds, breadboards or maple syrup are of such interest to you that you desire to expound upon them, go ahead. It's your forum, too.

OK here's what you SHOULD get for your money...

access to a strip club free of riff-raff.

Do I like cover charges? Hell no, but they exist for a reason.

UtahMike
07-11-2008, 11:10 AM
I keep reading the new posts in this thread, just because there is the possibility that something new and interesting might be posted. Alas...

torchemily
07-12-2008, 04:46 AM
Maximvsv, why don't you tell us what you think you should get for the $20 cover charge--and please, don't tell me what you get out of a movie or car show, & think that, that should relate to a strip club (it just muddles point of the topic). Just be blunt and forward. Example: For a $20 cover charge at a strip club, I should get a chocolate chip cookie and a foot rub!

golden41
07-12-2008, 06:40 AM
Most regular clubs charge admission, not just strip clubs. The dancers dont get any of the money. Think of that 20 as your way of renting a chair out for the night. Im happy my club charges 15-25 because it keeps out the cheapos who just want to sit in our chairs and pass gas all night. Doesnt anybody at the club u visit like u enough to give u 'free admission' coupons?

lastone
07-12-2008, 10:17 AM
Maximvsv, why don't you tell us what you think you should get for the $20 cover charge--and please, don't tell me what you get out of a movie or car show, & think that, that should relate to a strip club (it just muddles point of the topic). Just be blunt and forward. Example: For a $20 cover charge at a strip club, I should get a chocolate chip cookie and a foot rub!


I want a free helium filled balloon -- with a smiley face. Lots of restaurants give those to customers. Why are strip clubs too cheap to do the same?;)

threlayer
07-12-2008, 12:54 PM
I want a pleasant, clean experience with the dancers and staff, as well as other customers that I have to mix with. I will arrive after a shower and hope not to be subjected to too much perfume or BO.

I don't want the door fee too high (say over $10); I don't drink much, but don't expect to pay $5 for a soft drink or juice either. I expect to pay a total of over $100 or possibly more, depending on MY circumstances at the time.

I want the chance to get VIP (private dances) and to talk with the dancer before I choose. I want to have enough time to choose what I want to do and whom I want to do it with without excessive pressure from staff or dancers.

In return I will pay for entertainment at the tip rail, at a table, and/or in the 'rooms.' Almost all my money will go directly towards the dancers, not the club. I do not expect to hve ringing in my ears after I leave. I tip for special service; I don't ask for extras or phone numbers or expect to receive them.

Sorry if I have not contributed to the rant.

Maddie
07-15-2008, 02:00 AM
Bring me some taco bell and wait 30 minutes, and I'll show you what you can expect from just paying the cover charge.

:/

jaizaine
07-15-2008, 06:43 AM
Bring me some taco bell and wait 30 minutes, and I'll show you what you can expect from just paying the cover charge.

:/

I fucking LOVE THIS POST!!!:D

maximvsv
07-17-2008, 12:00 AM
Maximvsv, why don't you tell us what you think you should get for the $20 cover charge

I won't because I want to know the dancers' expectations. That's why I asked them. I already know what I think.

torchemily
07-17-2008, 03:22 AM
Maximvsv, the dancers already told you. And to be blunt, you don't deserve anything from the dancers for a $20 cover charge. That cover allows you in the club, and the ability to stare at naked (or half naked) girls. But if you want the girls' attention, it'll cost you more than a cover charge that they never see. Why do you think you deserve more than that? You do realize that we make our money by tips only, right? Why would you think a dancer has "expectations" of what YOU should get? In an addition (and I'm not trying to upset you), you do realize that your question that you've been repeating is very offensive. And based on your "creative writing" skills, I think I know what your expectations are. If you'd like to clarify, I'd greatly appreciate that, because right now I am assuming you mean something not so nice...

lastone
07-17-2008, 05:51 AM
I won't because I want to know the dancers' expectations. That's why I asked them. I already know what I think.


Maxim,

This post has gone for weeks. There have been over 200 replies. How many dancers have to tell you the same thing before you "know the dancers' expectations?" Is there a point you want to make? You haven't made it. Do you want them to confess that want money when they dance? We already know that. As they used to say on SNL, "General Franco is still dead."

Jenny
07-17-2008, 06:00 AM
I think the point Maxim is trying to make is that the customer, by paying the cover, has already paid for "something" and that something is the right to sit in the bar, watch the stage and not spend any more money; a claim he is buttressing by the fact that customers are not generally ejected for not buying dances or tipping the dancers.

This is not factually accurate in any bar I've worked in; cover or no, if you do not patronize the bar, you are ejected. There is no cover at the door of my bar, but there is a VIP cover charge; and while you have to pay for access to the VIP you are only allowed to use that access as long as you are spending money on other things. That is - you are not allowed to just hang out up there. Some girls have a different experience and believe that paying the cover does entitle him to "sit in the bar" (although it is certainly not always the case). It seems to be universally accepted that whether one can actually "get away with it" that it is pretty anti-social to enjoy a service that the provider is expecting to get paid for for free.

Is this about an accurate summation? Have I left anything out?

maximvsv
07-18-2008, 01:58 AM
You're still having trouble with the question?


Maximvsv, the dancers already told you.

Actually, it's exactly the opposite. Tempest started to. The rest were either along the lines of "you don't get anything from me" or "you already know". And while expressing the negative at least stays on topic, the "you already know" one means that the person posting didn't actually understand the question.



And to be blunt, you don't deserve anything from the dancers for a $20 cover charge. That cover allows you in the club, and the ability to stare at naked (or half naked) girls. But if you want the girls' attention, it'll cost you more than a cover charge that they never see.

Close, but it strays off topic toward the end of this passage. Deserve/don't deserve is at least related. "in the club" is precisely the kind of vaguery that the question was parsed to define. Here's the Google link (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=%22in+the+club%22&btnG=Search) to the 6,400,00 references they could find.


Why do you think you deserve more than that?

Back to "deserve", again. And, suddenly it's about my thoughts. I already know what I think. "Deserve's got nothing to do with it." And my thoughts are not the topic at hand.


You do realize that we make our money by tips only, right? Why would you think a dancer has "expectations" of what YOU should get?

Because the initial quote was a question about the changes in customer behavior.



In an addition (and I'm not trying to upset you), you do realize that your question that you've been repeating is very offensive.

No, it isn't. Try asking it of anyone in a line at a grocery store or at a local government meeting or in a bicycle shop. Not only will they not be offended, they may actually try giving you an answer.


And based on your "creative writing" skills, I think I know what your expectations are. If you'd like to clarify, I'd greatly appreciate that, because right now I am assuming you mean something not so nice...

Back to the "you already know" one.


Maxim,

This post has gone for weeks. There have been over 200 replies. How many dancers have to tell you the same thing before you "know the dancers' expectations?"

"The same thing"? For people with 100,000+ word vocabularies, including all manner of expressions of quantity, distance, temperature, duration, hue, association, location, bearing, degree, order and even aroma, "the same thing" has been only vague or off topic entirely.


Is there a point you want to make? You haven't made it. Do you want them to confess that want money when they dance? We already know that. As they used to say on SNL, "General Franco is still dead."

It's a conversation. If someone actually answers the question, who knows how it might turn out. Your idea about confessions of what people want to receive money for could be an interesting subject. You might consider starting that one, yourself.

maximvsv
07-18-2008, 02:12 AM
Is this about an accurate summation? Have I left anything out?

I'd say that it's more a summation of Yekhefah's complaint about customer behavior than an expression of your perspective.

bem401
07-18-2008, 05:12 AM
This is not factually accurate in any bar I've worked in; cover or no, if you do not patronize the bar, you are ejected.

I don't want to jump too far into this thread because at this point we are pretty much just beating a dead horse, but I've only witnessed people being forced to spend money when there was no cover charge in effect, and even then, only if the non-spender was somehow objectionable. I still don't get what fun it would be to drop your $20 to get in the door and then spend nothing else.

TheTempest
07-18-2008, 10:17 AM
I don't even remember what I said at this point. But I would like to hear what the OP thinks he should get for his money?

torchemily
07-19-2008, 04:09 PM
You're still having trouble with the question?
then you need to rephrase it. Your "creative writing" skills do not help w/clarity; there for, they are not good writing skills. I realize you get a kick out of no one understanding you, but if you really want your question answered, you have to be clear.



, it's exactly the opposite. Tempest started to. The rest were either along the lines of "you don't get anything from me" or "you already know". And while expressing the negative at least stays on topic, the "you already know" one means that the person posting didn't actually understand the question.
Then rephrase it...




Close, but it strays off topic toward the end of this passage. Deserve/don't deserve is at least related. "in the club" is precisely the kind of vaguery that the question was parsed to define. Here's the Google to the 6,400,00 references they could find.
You need that kind of "vaguery defined?" Are you new to strip clubs? Don't give me that, you know better. I know you're not that stupid.




Back to "deserve", again. And, suddenly it's about my thoughts. I already know what I think. "Deserve's got nothing to do with it." And my thoughts are not the topic at hand.
If it's not about your thoughts, then don't ask "what I'M supposed..." Ask what a CUSTOMER. "I'M" refers to you, meaning your thoughts. And because non of our answers are the answer YOU want, that makes this question about YOU.



the initial quote was a question about the changes in customer behavior.
Honestly, I don't know why you even quoted him. If your question is about customer behavior & what you should get for your money---your connection was not clear. Is what you were trying to get at similar to what Jenny wrote? Few clubs eject you if you don't spend more $, most don't. IMO I think it's up to the girls to get the guys to spend more. Not everyone walks in there feeling generous; but we convince them.




No, it isn't. Try asking it of anyone in a line at a grocery store or at a local government meeting or in a bicycle shop. Not only will they not be offended, they may actually try giving you an answer.
Allow me to put it this way; If I buy coffee & I ask what I'm supposed to get for my $, & the answer was coffee, & I kept saying "no, what am I supposed to get for my $," This could refer me to getting more caffeine, more cream, more sugar (however you like your coffee ;D ). With our business, when a guy asks "no, what am I supposed to get for my $" they are not referring to something as trivial as coffee, or @ a bicycle shop. They are typically asking for extras. And when they don't accept our answer of what their money will get them, it becomes insulting. I'm sure you know why.




"The same thing"? For people with 100,000+ word vocabularies, including all manner of expressions of quantity, distance, temperature, duration, hue, association, location, bearing, degree, order and even aroma, "the same thing" has been only vague or off topic entirely.
Then clarify. I really am not trying to give you the "run around." I really do what to understand what you are getting at. Every time me or the other girls attempt to answer you, you get upset and insult us. Then when we try to ask you to rephrase, clarify, or maybe give us your answer so we could understand better, you refuse. I don't know, maybe you don't really want an answer or maybe you're just playing a game... I just think that if you were really interested in getting an answer you would clarify, or tell us what you think.


Its a conversation. If someone actually answers the question, who knows how it might turn out. Your idea about confessions of what people want to receive money for could be an interesting subject. You might consider starting that one, yourself.
Darlin' you just did...
As for me, Maxivsv, I really look forward to your response, however I don't know if I'll reply again. Unfortunately, I don't think you're really interested in the answer...:(

Elvia
07-19-2008, 04:31 PM
OMG. You still don't think you've gotten an answer? I really can not think of a way this can be dumbed down for you any further...

YOU GET TO GO INSIDE THE CLUB.

And I am NOT the first person to have told you this. You have your answer. That is all. And yet you persist. Why exactly do you not understand that? In exchange for your cover charge, the bouncer will step aside, and you will be allowed to enter the establishment.

Jesus Christ, You make me want to bang my head against the wall. Can you PLEASE explain why this answer is unsatisfactory to you?

doc-catfish
07-19-2008, 06:18 PM
:sing: :drum: :tube:
Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de da
:headphone