View Full Version : i really like being pretty :)
RoseLeigh
06-20-2008, 10:36 AM
I've often wondered how much intelligence I'd be willing to trade for more attractiveness. Sure, the intellect stays (well, at least until senility kicks in) while the looks fade, but the confidence and self-esteem that would've developed as a result of attractiveness I think would take me further in life than my high-intellect and low self-esteem have taken me. I have a decent job. That's it; that's what I got for all of my studying hard, 4.0 GPA (twice), etc. It hasn't brought me happiness, love, or contentment in life. Yeah, I'd make a trade.
Confidence and self-esteem don't come from being attractive. Plenty of people have confidence and aren't standardly gorgeous. You can be as confident or as self-esteem-y as you want, though it takes work. (Also, you are hot already!;D)
twisterinAZ
06-20-2008, 01:47 PM
Some of it is classical natural selection.
Which piece of information would you like me to validate? I should be able to give you links to something that would work for you. Just let me know.
My post is pretty hard on men -- I doubt Men's Health would run something like that. I've ghosted a couple articles for Bride's Magazine (yeah, they really have articles -- surprised the hell out of me, too) and I'm generally much better with that demographic. ;D
You said that atttractive men are judged to be more intelligent by women ... Where did you find that ?
gingerlee
06-20-2008, 02:56 PM
Maybe it's not as bad as you think- IMO, I never go for "pretty boys" (the joke is they can't look better than me) and I hate a dumb dude. IMO intelligent people just have too much time and motivation to dwell on this issue....& Western culture is so superficial. Many cultures around the world do not place AS HIGH a value on physical beauty.
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+1 on not liking dumb dudes or guys that are cuter than me. I won't even lie, I've dated fat guys, old guys, etc. I don't choose a guy on how hot he is, I do it based on his personality.
CKXXX
06-20-2008, 02:57 PM
+1 on not liking dumb dudes or guys that are cuter than me. I won't even lie, I've dated fat guys, old guys, etc. I don't choose a guy on how hot he is, I do it based on his personality.
Yep...looks fade...stupid is forever. Give me a smart interesting guy over a pretty boy EVERY day!
virgoamm
06-20-2008, 03:14 PM
^^I'm the same way. Personality, sense of humor and someone who is fun, enjoys life and is a goofball like me is number one on my list. Those attributes make a guy so much more attractive in my eyes.
Perry
06-20-2008, 10:03 PM
As best as I can tell, beauty is just a mixture of vitality, health and optimism.
saphire123456
06-20-2008, 10:08 PM
vain-schmain, i really like being pretty too, and attractive people get hired more over ugly people and get paid 12% more, so i'll just stick with pretty, thanks
so i'm with you, Kiki :thumbsup:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/beautiful-people-earn-12-more-than-ugly-bettys-461261.html
CinammonGirl
06-20-2008, 10:23 PM
:yes: Speak it, sister.
I would like to point out not all exceptionally beautiful women are rotten inside. The short story is about how they were raised and whether they needed to use their looks to get by- or not. Every guy wants the sheltered pretty girl- easier to jerk around, arm candy with less headaches.
It's also situational- often the prettiest girl in a random Midwestern town won't measure up to a random beach bunny in Southern California. Different cultures have different standards.
I'm curious..so what would a random beach bunny in South Cali look like? /:O Is there a way to google up how random California girls look?
I haven't been to LA since I was 17, and I only went to a wedding..didn't get to see the town or the people around it.
saphire123456
06-20-2008, 10:38 PM
k i'll bite, this is what i picture as typical california vs small midwestern town
http://www.daisybeach.com/modelpages/mt/sara.jpghttp://www.stpetetimes.com/2005/06/30/images/large/B_1_1b4photog_217591_0630.jpg
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.daisybeach.com/mainthumbs/sarah-lingerieboat2/031.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.daisybeach.com/modelpages/sarah.html&h=150&w=97&sz=8&hl=en&start=53&sig2=qbXMzUzznZ77kUCugKz3Kg&um=1&tbnid=9hSr_wUmMO5pIM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=62&ei=rpFcSILHDqGceqyogN0O&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dblond%2Bbeach%2Bbunny%26start%3D40%26 ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3D DVXA,DVXA:2005-03,DVXA:en%26sa%3DN
tenshigirl25
06-20-2008, 11:19 PM
I'd choose a sense of humour, confidence, great smile etc over just being a pretty face and body. It just seems so shallow and pointless to put looks at the number 1 priority in your life.
Everybody will want to know u for who u are on the surface but once they get to know u, will they want to stick around? probably not..or until the next pretty young girl comes along.
looks are defineltey an importance in the world we live in, i'd be a hypocrite to say otherwise and we all feel good when we look good, we like the attention it brings, we like to receive compliments. it all comes down to having a good balance between both worlds.. don't just focus on 1 and not the other.
i think end of the day, we all know that what really lasts and feels most satisfying is a person who loves us for who we are.
short skirts
06-20-2008, 11:29 PM
Many times the pretty girls turn ugly to me as soon as they speak.............beauty helps people notice you but the rest is all up to your inner self.
miabella
06-21-2008, 01:18 AM
sorry, saphire, but i know a lotta folks who wouldn't consider the girls in those pictures hot at all. which just goes to show how subjective the whole idea of 'pretty' is. there are places they could go where they would not be considered attractive or pretty at all. beauty, especially prettiness, is just not as universal as folks in america like to think it is.
NinaDaisy
06-21-2008, 03:35 AM
Pretty is nice. Smart lasts longer.
Unless you get early-onset Alzheimer's, in which case you're utterly fucked.
msonyxorb
06-21-2008, 03:41 AM
I've often wondered how much intelligence I'd be willing to trade for more attractiveness. Sure, the intellect stays (well, at least until senility kicks in) while the looks fade, but the confidence and self-esteem that would've developed as a result of attractiveness I think would take me further in life than my high-intellect and low self-esteem have taken me. I have a decent job. That's it; that's what I got for all of my studying hard, 4.0 GPA (twice), etc. It hasn't brought me happiness, love, or contentment in life. Yeah, I'd make a trade.
I would too. Being smart doesnt mean shit if you dont know how to use it. Same with talented. Some of the smartest most talented people out there are out of work because they are not social, aggressive, confident, etc, enough to be successful. Being successful in this world is not measured by how smart you are. The most successful people in this world are a bunch of morons, cocky morons at that, they have balls and thats what allows them to get far in life. I also agree that confidence will get you a hell of a lot farther than intelligence, especially if you work for other people.
xdamage
06-21-2008, 03:41 AM
I think it is popular American thinking to think that attractiveness is something purely subjective. Which is not to say there are not exceptions in large groups of people, but so far the scientific studies do show that given large groups, there are consistent signs of attractiveness that cross cultural boundaries. The summary version here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness
I also think it is popular to not want to believe it because then that would mean that attractiveness is in part, genetic luck of the draw, like race, sex, height, other factors, and then life wouldn't be fair, or equal, and many people just don't want to live with the implications of that.
I think many people confuse that in large populations there are always extremes, the exceptions, such as those who are exceptionally short or those who are exceptionally tall. They think "see, someone is 3ft tall so it must mean that there is no such thing as a universal average height!" Or "Look, I know someone that thinks nose hair is a sexual turn on!" This makes absolutely no sense go around through life trying to understand human nature by looking for the exceptions. They exist for sure, but on a big bell curve, they are the rare minority, not the common case.
Of course there are factors that are very much cultural as well, like to tan or not, to have body art or not, styles, fashion, how well we care for ourselves, how lucky we are to live in a culture that has medicine or not (e.g., to treat acne). So individuals can effect their overall appeal rating by conforming to whatever is the popular social trend, and improved care, but even then... it is hard to accept that life is not fair, and some have a better starting point to build on then others, but then where is it written that life is fair?
msonyxorb
06-21-2008, 03:44 AM
Confidence and self-esteem don't come from being attractive. Plenty of people have confidence and aren't standardly gorgeous. You can be as confident or as self-esteem-y as you want, though it takes work. (Also, you are hot already!;D)
true, but if you are told all your life you are ugly it is going to be very hard for you to ever be confident. it is way easy to be confident enough to pursue whatever you want if you are constantly told how great you are and things come easy to you. if things come easy to you you feel like you deserve these things and you wont settle for less than the best. i could compare it to strippers who arent satisfied with a 5 dollar tip and whine and complain till they get at least 20 bucks more. they may be spoiled, annoying, and money hungry, but they are the ones walking out with 1k a night while the humble less confident strippers who dont think they are worth as much are walking out with 100.
msonyxorb
06-21-2008, 03:49 AM
k i'll bite, this is what i picture as typical california vs small midwestern town
http://www.daisybeach.com/modelpages/mt/sara.jpghttp://www.stpetetimes.com/2005/06/30/images/large/B_1_1b4photog_217591_0630.jpg
they look the same to me, one is just more polished and has implants
i will say one thing though, i have livedin big cities my whole life and big cities tend to attract wannabe actors/models so thats probably why the people there are better looking than in small towns. i once went to arizona for a shoot and i was surprised at how unnattractive everyone was. i was even more surprised at how all the waiters and waitresses at the restaurant i ate at were unnattractive. im so used to restaurants being super shallow and only hiring "beautiful people". seriously here in LA, especially if you want to work at a high end restaurant or night club its basically like a casting call and you need to bring a resume AND a headshot.
msonyxorb
06-21-2008, 03:53 AM
I'd choose a sense of humour, confidence, great smile etc over just being a pretty face and body. It just seems so shallow and pointless to put looks at the number 1 priority in your life.
Everybody will want to know u for who u are on the surface but once they get to know u, will they want to stick around? probably not..or until the next pretty young girl comes along.
looks are defineltey an importance in the world we live in, i'd be a hypocrite to say otherwise and we all feel good when we look good, we like the attention it brings, we like to receive compliments. it all comes down to having a good balance between both worlds.. don't just focus on 1 and not the other.
i think end of the day, we all know that what really lasts and feels most satisfying is a person who loves us for who we are.
if you are unnattractive though, people rarely even give you a chance to get to know the real you.
NinaDaisy
06-21-2008, 03:57 AM
Even if you're "pretty" people don't really do that anyway. If they're men odds are they just want to stick something semi-stiff in a moist hole. As someone who was bullied throughout school for being "ugly" then "got hot", I can tell you people are shits regardless. Just in different ways.
Sorry to sound cynical, but I know where I'm coming from on this one.
xdamage
06-21-2008, 03:57 AM
if you are unnattractive though, people rarely even give you a chance to get to know the real you.
By the way if anyone doubts it, on occasion you read about attractive people going under cover, wearing make up, putting on a "fat suit", even wearing facial prosthetics, just to find out what would it be like...
Most of us wouldn't even want to do this, and not just because of the bother of it, but because we know full well what the results will be.
We know we would be treated much the same as we tend to treat others who are not attractive to us. No thanks!
NinaDaisy
06-21-2008, 04:07 AM
As best as I can tell, beauty is just a mixture of vitality, health and optimism.
And happiness is farts made from sunshine.
Sorry sweetie, but as much as I actually do agree with your statement, it won't get a magazine cover, "popularity" or any of the other hallmarks and perks our society links to being "pretty".
Good on ya for trying though.
tenshigirl25
06-21-2008, 06:00 AM
but if you're confident within yourself, ur not gonna care what other ppl think. that is freedom in itself...the ppl that don't give the time of day are just easier to weed out the good from the bad.
u would have to be really grotesque to have ppl not want to approach u. i haven't met or seen too many ppl that are "that" bad. unattractive is something that ppl feel within and radiate outwards.. it's not just a physical thing anymore and ppl are realising this more and more these days.
CinammonGirl
06-21-2008, 10:45 AM
sorry, saphire, but i know a lotta folks who wouldn't consider the girls in those pictures hot at all. which just goes to show how subjective the whole idea of 'pretty' is. there are places they could go where they would not be considered attractive or pretty at all. beauty, especially prettiness, is just not as universal as folks in america like to think it is.
I didn't want to say it, but the two girls look like they're on the same level..Just that the cali girl has huge tits, lol.
thisunrest
06-22-2008, 03:04 AM
Yes,this is "as bad as "you think it is.
Youre going to be one saaaad geriatric!
ludika
06-23-2008, 01:56 PM
I like being pretty as well, but it won't give me and education or a Degree. Nor will it entertain my friends or keep a boyfriend.
saphire123456
06-23-2008, 09:11 PM
I like being pretty as well, but it won't give me and education or a Degree. Nor will it entertain my friends or keep a boyfriend.
hmmm, i dunno, being pretty gave me an education and a degree::)
madmaxine
06-23-2008, 11:37 PM
I don't think men age better than woman at all. It's just more acceptable for a man to have wrinkles. It makes him "distinguished."
I disagree- if I could choose a sex partner rightthisminute (I wish) I would pick a man in his mid to late 30s. Even a well-maintained 40.
The actor Steve Carell is a good example of how age makes him more handsome- when he became popular, he looked too boyish still.
Samba
06-23-2008, 11:46 PM
^^that may be your personal preference, but most men aren't divorcing their wives for woman ten years older than they are.
Santos
06-24-2008, 02:58 PM
I think it is popular American thinking to think that attractiveness is something purely subjective. Which is not to say there are not exceptions in large groups of people, but so far the scientific studies do show that given large groups, there are consistent signs of attractiveness that cross cultural boundaries.
Agree, beauty really isn't subjective. Studies have shown that there is a standard that humans believe to be "attractive". Personally, I believe that standard is fairly wide. But let's face it, there are physically unattractive people out there.
But everyone has aspects that can make him or her beautiful beyond the physical--but some people do received a genetic head start on the outside.
miabella
06-24-2008, 03:03 PM
that's sorta true, but sorta not. as with many 'cross-cultural' studies, they don't cross over to that many cultures, but are happy to universalise from a handful of examples.