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shameless
10-06-2008, 06:30 AM
Okay thanks for your reply..I found the website and as far as looks go I don't think it would be a problem...will have to work a little on my stage show then! :D
The problem is that you may never get to the stage show part of the audition!
Basically first stage of the audition is going there and submitting your details and having a polaroid taken of you topless....Now I know dancers that are absolute stunners, glamour models and what not - yet they have not made it through the first stage of the audition recently.
This fact and seeing some of the girls that work in Browns and the Griffin leads me to believe that looking slightly like an 80's porn star is the look they want (that is half decent boob job, some cellulite, naff extensions, dark lipliner with pale lipstick)...also beware that even if you get in the most amount of shift you get a week is a about 3...
BaileyBennet
10-06-2008, 07:54 AM
hmm okay...
cause that's exactly what i thought..some of the girls on the website are in my opinion only decent looking..
hmm I really want to find a good club in UK....
I'd say personally that the girls at Browns are the most consistently good looking out of any club I've ever been in. Stringfellow's has 8 or 10 real beauties but a good 60% of the girls there would never get a job at Browns. I know some other pub punters say they are too plastic , barbie doll types but whenever I take people who have never been to strip places before to Browns it's always the place that impresses them most.
You would probably get about 5 or 6 shifts a week, quite often working at both pubs on the same day. There are 3 shifts each having 6 to 12 girls on, it's normally busier later in the day { mind you with the city crisis I bet it's quiet at the moment}, the house fee is £20 to £60 depending on the shift, and the jug collections for the stage show will always be considerably more than the fee. There is no commission on private dances which are strictly non touching. It's quite a large place and used to always be very busy especially from about 6pm onwards.
Tyke
shameless
10-06-2008, 09:19 AM
I'd say personally that the girls at Browns are the most consistently good looking out of any club I've ever been in. Stringfellow's has 8 or 10 real beauties but a good 60% of the girls there would never get a job at Browns. I know some other pub punters say they are too plastic , barbie doll types but whenever I take people who have never been to strip places before to Browns it's always the place that impresses them most.
You would probably get about 5 or 6 shifts a week, quite often working at both pubs on the same day. There are 3 shifts each having 6 to 12 girls on, it's normally busier later in the day { mind you with the city crisis I bet it's quiet at the moment}, the house fee is £20 to £60 depending on the shift, and the jug collections for the stage show will always be considerably more than the fee. There is no commission on private dances which are strictly non touching. It's quite a large place and used to always be very busy especially from about 6pm onwards.
Tyke
You're speaking from a customer perspective, I'm speaking from dancers' experiences, some of which are very good friends of mine and thus in my view can be trusted.
Most strip pubs have an appalling standard of girls as these places are considered rough, often located in rough areas with a rough clientele. Thus pretty girls avoid them like the plague. There have been a few girls that normally work in clubs trying to work in strip pubs, and although the jug collections can be a good earner, they very often don't manage many private dances as the standard customer response is "you're way out of my league" AKA "You're too pretty to work here and you don't look like you do a dirty dance".
The reason I think why Browns and the Griffin chose the plastic 80's porn star look is simple, it looks 'dirty' and considering the dancing rules are so squeaky clean - the 'private dance' entails you dancing round a pole while the customer sits 4 feet away! And take into account here that you already go naked on stage, hence why to entice customers to part with more money the management must reckon the full on plastic 80's porn star look is more likely to make that happen.
Apparently getting the 5-6 shifts a week might only happen after you've worked there a while and considered a favorite. New girls never get that amount of shifts. Sometimes you only get cancellations until you've been on the books for a while.
BaileyBennet
10-06-2008, 10:50 PM
Thank you both for your tips...
Well my problem with the girls on the website isn't that they look plastic ...I too look a bit plastic and get "barbie doll" screamde after me everywhere I go...I just didn't think that they were that pretty...
Well I' m gonna email them and see what they say...The jug collection sounds very tempting...
how bad is it in London right now? Is noone making any money??
If you look on www.strip-magazine.com (http://www.strip-magazine.com) at some of the Coverdancers { Chiqui, CZ Sabrina, Tania Amazon etc} they all have worked at clubs but prefered strip pubs and I would not regard any of them as rough. If you look on the front page Ellouise {who has just written the book} worked at Browns for 5 years.
Some of the "80s porn stars" who have worked at Browns over the years include Katheryn Shannon, Alison Brown, Vicky Holloway, Capri Ashby, Dee Aston etc. They have also turned down some very good girls but I suspect that given the restricted number of shifts and fixed numbers of girls a lot of recruitment decisions are affected by whether they actually need any of not. This does not apply to most clubs who will normally take on as many girls as possible to keep the house fee income high.
The girls I knew there all got 5 or 6 shifts a week, you may be right about newbies.
Tyke
SydneyII
10-07-2008, 05:37 AM
Yeah, I have to second Tyke to certain extent, all the girls I've ever spoken to who worked in Browns LOVED it. It was very surprising to me because I too always thought that the pub doesn't really look very nice at all and to be honest even considered dancing there a bit .... degrading. Simply because you can get working class customers being glued to the stage as close to you as possible... I've worked in clubs where you do dance around the pole, but nobody is really THAT bothered... these guys seemed like all they wanted to do was lick you all over.. awful !
But then I was there only about twice (as a customer, never actually danced there) but the point is that although it might not look that great the girls were really enthusiastic about it so there must be something in it. You can never make LOTS of money there BUT on the average you'll most likely earn more than most of the dancers in the clubs.
I haven't worked for a few weeks due to my school but money has been up and down throughout the whole year in London, it's been very volatile after the banks' crisis... Now when Iceland banks are in trouble I expect it to be even worse, I reckon majority of the City boys will get scared now ... but if you work somewhere with more of blue collar customer base you might not get affected as badly.. I don't know. It's been very hard for everyone lately.
You can always get lucky or have a regular customer so it's possible to make great money here, it's just harder and harder to do so even when you work hard. Most of the girls in London are very good hustlers because of the cut-throat competition here so it's not that the girls wouldn't be working, it's only that the money base is being spread over too many clubs and girls working in them.
shameless
10-07-2008, 10:16 AM
If you look on www.strip-magazine.com (http://www.strip-magazine.com) at some of the Coverdancers { Chiqui, CZ Sabrina, Tania Amazon etc} they all have worked at clubs but prefered strip pubs and I would not regard any of them as rough. If you look on the front page Ellouise {who has just written the book} worked at Browns for 5 years.
Some of the "80s porn stars" who have worked at Browns over the years include Katheryn Shannon, Alison Brown, Vicky Holloway, Capri Ashby, Dee Aston etc. They have also turned down some very good girls but I suspect that given the restricted number of shifts and fixed numbers of girls a lot of recruitment decisions are affected by whether they actually need any of not. This does not apply to most clubs who will normally take on as many girls as possible to keep the house fee income high.
The girls I knew there all got 5 or 6 shifts a week, you may be right about newbies.
Tyke
Note best I wrote "most strip pubs have an appalling standard of girls" and as you know there are a few besides Browns and the Griffin so pointing out 4-5 of Browns dancers that looked the part won't make the rest more beautiful...
Anyway most dancers in London will say that they're recruitment process at Browns & the Griffin is a gamble at best but you may be right as to why this is - could be that they turn away stunners when have no shifts and then hire the first best girl that walks through the door when they have! And that's why I wouldn't recommended to any dancer, esoecially one coming all the way from Sweden, to count on being hired.
shameless
10-07-2008, 10:23 AM
Yeah, I have to second Tyke to certain extent, all the girls I've ever spoken to who worked in Browns LOVED it. It was very surprising to me because I too always thought that the pub doesn't really look very nice at all and to be honest even considered dancing there a bit .... degrading. Simply because you can get working class customers being glued to the stage as close to you as possible... I've worked in clubs where you do dance around the pole, but nobody is really THAT bothered... these guys seemed like all they wanted to do was lick you all over.. awful !
But then I was there only about twice (as a customer, never actually danced there) but the point is that although it might not look that great the girls were really enthusiastic about it so there must be something in it. You can never make LOTS of money there BUT on the average you'll most likely earn more than most of the dancers in the clubs.
I haven't worked for a few weeks due to my school but money has been up and down throughout the whole year in London, it's been very volatile after the banks' crisis... Now when Iceland banks are in trouble I expect it to be even worse, I reckon majority of the City boys will get scared now ... but if you work somewhere with more of blue collar customer base you might not get affected as badly.. I don't know. It's been very hard for everyone lately.
You can always get lucky or have a regular customer so it's possible to make great money here, it's just harder and harder to do so even when you work hard. Most of the girls in London are very good hustlers because of the cut-throat competition here so it's not that the girls wouldn't be working, it's only that the money base is being spread over too many clubs and girls working in them.
Of course girls love pubs - there is very, very little customer conversation needed compared to the club scene (and the fees and fines are less!). I have a friend that worked various London pubs for a year as she went back to uni and counldn't do the late nights...anyways when she went back to working in clubs she was relly struggling at first as she wasn't used to using anything beyond "do you want a dance", took her a while to get her hustle and conversational skills back!
Of course girls love pubs - there is very, very little customer conversation needed compared to the club scene (and the fees and fines are less!). I have a friend that worked various London pubs for a year as she went back to uni and counldn't do the late nights...anyways when she went back to working in clubs she was relly struggling at first as she wasn't used to using anything beyond "do you want a dance", took her a while to get her hustle and conversational skills back!
My favourite strip venue is the White Horse {near Browns} where there is no table dancing and the girls I have got to know over the years will sit and talk to me inbetween shows. Compared to the the non stop hustle of Spearmint or Secrets this is a much better system, even at Browns where they do have private dances because there are a lot less girls and a lot more customers hustle is pretty minimal.
Tyke
shameless
10-08-2008, 08:20 AM
My favourite strip venue is the White Horse {near Browns} where there is no table dancing and the girls I have got to know over the years will sit and talk to me inbetween shows. Compared to the the non stop hustle of Spearmint or Secrets this is a much better system, even at Browns where they do have private dances because there are a lot less girls and a lot more customers hustle is pretty minimal.
Tyke
Sure depends what you're into - I can tell "close contact" lap dances and topless stage shows (or fully dressed as in Secrets these day) are not your thing then :-( no worries haha I like a good nude stage show too. My friend who works at the Ye Old Axe is worrying as apparently the White Horse will soon open up their upstairs floor and offer private dances...maybe just a rumour then?!
Btw see my reply as to what some deem "very close contact" lap dancing to be!
http://forum.ukstripclubs.com/showthread.php?t=788
The plan is for the upstairs at the WH to be a seperate Secrets style club while the downstairs will thankfully stay exactly as it is acording to Sue. I like "full contact" lap dances {as in private parties}but not non existent stage shows and mega hustle for non contact dances as per Spearmint etc. Through the strip magazine stuff I write I can get into almost any club in the UK for free and get free drinks in most of them but I hardly ever bother wheras if in London I always go to the WH.
Tyke
shameless
10-09-2008, 02:45 AM
The plan is for the upstairs at the WH to be a seperate Secrets style club while the downstairs will thankfully stay exactly as it is acording to Sue. I like "full contact" lap dances {as in private parties}but not non existent stage shows and mega hustle for non contact dances as per Spearmint etc. Through the strip magazine stuff I write I can get into almost any club in the UK for free and get free drinks in most of them but I hardly ever bother wheras if in London I always go to the WH.
Tyke
I work in Spearmint Rhino in the UK and I do contact dances as in I'm in contact with the customer, the customer does not touch me though of course. Think you must have 'missed' my point about so called full contact lap dances or what you refer to as "private parties", that is "Very close contact" as in having your arsehole rimmed and jerking a guy off has nothing to do with lap dancing much more with the world's oldest profession otherwise known as escorting these days! The fact that it's packaged as lap dancing is irrelevant. And for the record Westminster council has strict licensing rules, most clubs elsewhere have no such rule, so there is def the option to get a real close contact lap dance - as in dancer grinding on customer crotch that doesn't entail a grope fest or exchange of bodily fluids and as such sadly, sooner or later - disease. But if that's your cup of tea too then by all means enjoy!
The ones I go to just involve me touching the girl and non of the body fluids stuff mentioned in Escort{which may or may not be true anyway}. As I understand it the Full Service shows supply condoms but the ones I go to don't go that far. None of the legal clubs I've been to in London involve any contact at all though I have been to ones outside London where the rules are not so strictly enforced, the thing is if I just want to look at a naked girl I much prefer a proper stage show like you get at the WH. I don't really see the point in a pitch dark corner of a club if no contact at all is allowed, hence I don't go in them much.
Tyke
shameless
10-09-2008, 03:49 AM
The ones I go to just involve me touching the girl and non of the body fluids stuff mentioned in Escort{which may or may not be true anyway}. As I understand it the Full Service shows supply condoms but the ones I go to don't go that far. None of the legal clubs I've been to in London involve any contact at all though I have been to ones outside London where the rules are not so strictly enforced, the thing is if I just want to look at a naked girl I much prefer a proper stage show like you get at the WH. I don't really see the point in a pitch dark corner of a club if no contact at all is allowed, hence I don't go in them much.
Tyke
Think you can only get away with 'gently' (no full on boob examination here) touching your dancer in Birmingham. The council rules are bit more lax there, obviously there are seedy places elsewhere in the UK where this and that goes but if you legally want to touch I think it's only possible in Birmingham. Shame you weren't a fly on the wall when a girl that's done quite a few full circle parties detailed the tum of events at one... apparently the article was mild to say the very least, there are girls that do way more incl. unprotected sex for a gram! I've heard a lot of seedy stories but this was just sad. The Full Circle parties used to be good years ago for lap dancers when it was just real lap dances with slight touching from the customer on the menu for £40-50 but then initial interest in these parties went so some clever guy got in girls that started doing more for less...
Did you catch this Monday's Channel 4 Dispatches programe on the seedy side of London's lap dancing scene - surprise surprise - apparently some dancers in Secrets are caught on camera offering after hours work! Any ideas how to get hold of a copy, everyone at work is talking about it and I missed it!
It was repeated on More 4 last night. A lot of it was pretty stupid really the presenter/undercover guy seemed to be in " automatic shock" mode. The 2 girls at Secrets said " Give us £250 and we will meet you at your hotel" so I'm not totally sure they really intended to turn up, it sounded like the old Soho rip off ! The other club featured was Capricorn which is really an old fashioned " Hostess" club and they have involved taking girls back to hotels since the 1960s. The theme was supposedly that the new law had opened things up but all the clubs featured had opened long before the act came into force in 2005.
They quoted the " clubs doubled since the new law " facts which are just straight wrong, in 2004 there were about 220 clubs , now there may just be 300 { mind you Object claimed there were 300 in 2004 !} though at the moment more are closing than opening.
Tyke
SydneyII
10-09-2008, 06:20 AM
I watched the programme too... although some girls did talk about "after hours", the programme was presented so that even a lap dance was an offence because dancers didn't obey the 3ft rule while dancing.
I hate extras and my club is VERY clean and there's no touching whatsoever, but the idea that girls will be dancing 3ft away from the guy is rahter unrealistic (there're way too many girls on the floor for that !).
shameless
10-09-2008, 09:42 AM
Oh so nothing new then...Secrets hires whoever turns up for an audition, incl. girls with no dancer experience that may be escorts looking to cut out the agency and meeting potential customers face to face...as for the Capricorn club I wrote in an earlier post "Blue Angel is similar to the Capricorn club that is a 'hostess'/dancer bar, from what I've heard most girls offer take-aways or apparently there are rooms in the back, all in all best avoided by anyone with serious lap dancing ambitions!"...a bit like the London 'massage parlours' with blacked out windows which most half clever person will quickly figure out is a brothel, maybe dispatches will turn even more sensationalist and do a feature on them!
Sydney - Sorry to hear that your club in London says you have to be three feet away! I doubt that is really is the council rule...Westminster most likely says no part of the dancer's body may touch the customer's, that is welcome to the Windmill and Stringfellows. Secrets' club are outside of Westminster and from working a while in Spearmint on Tottenham Court Road, I know Camden council rules are more relaxed.
SydneyII
10-09-2008, 10:06 AM
I think in my club there's stricly no touching rule either way, the club with 3ft fule was actually one of the Secrets chain which was mentioned on the programme but I also remember that from when I was auditioning for them (left after working there for 1 night though !).
From my experience from most of the clubs, there's stricly no touching written rule, however it get broken quite often in most of the clubs. Are you sure that any form of touching is legally speaking really allowed in SR, I thought most of the clubs have to imposed (at least in the written form) no touching rules (both ways- customer to dancer and vice versa) because otherwise they wouldn't get their licence /:O
shameless
10-09-2008, 12:15 PM
I'm 100% sure that two years ago when I first started at Spearmint on Tottenhamn Court Road I was made to sign a dancer agreement that stipulated that you could touch the customer from the waist up. That is lean on the shoulder, but hardly a blue print for crotch grinding...but then again written and pratices rules differ a lot sometimes.
Sorry to hear about your London situation, I couldn't face working in a London club again where on an average night you get 4 girls for every guy!!!
Bubble
10-09-2008, 03:15 PM
How old is this then? (SR Code of Conduct)
During the performance of a table dance:
a) Customers must be seated in an upright position against the back of the booth with their hands by their sides before a dancer can commence a table dance, customers must remain so seated during the entire dance;
b) For the purpose of constraint, dancers may only touch a customer above the customer's chest with only the dancer's hands;
c) Dancers must not sit on or straddle the customer;
d) Dancers must maintain one shoed foot on the floor at all times and not place their feet on the booth seat;
e) Dancers may not place their knee or knees on the booth seat;
f) Floor work is prohibited and may only be performed whilst performing stage shows on the Club's designated stages;
spartaca
10-09-2008, 04:42 PM
I've just watched the Dispatches documentary ( available here for anyone who missed it: http://www.channel4.com/catchup-player/player.htm?brandId=dispatches-the-hidden-world&contractId=46846&episodeId=1 ) - the usual hysterical scaremongering.
As for legal touching - the short answer is that there isn't any - not even in Birmingham. A dancer may touch a customer only to receive payment with no other body part than hand to hand. Individual local authorities will prescribe at what distance a private dance should take place - some have the 3 feet rule (remember dancing at the Fantasy Lounge in Cardiff and feeling as though i should hand the punter a pair of binoculars every time they paid for a PD!) others the one foot distance rule, others the snooker rule (one foot on the floor at all times) and other variants. But as a commentator on Dispatches pointed out 'Either that was almost prostitution or those dancers were very skilled' well duh!!! Yes, we ARE very skilled that's the point! We can make it seem as though you are about to get a face full of boob or make you believe we are stimulating ourselves when we're actually just totting up quite how much we've taken from you and ensuring you don't get your grubby little mitts on us.
As you can tell i watched and ranted. Suffice to say i will be interested to hear the results of the government review into lapdancing coming soon.
shameless
10-09-2008, 07:51 PM
How old is this then? (SR Code of Conduct)
This is then one, as far as I know it's still place in Spearmint Rhino Tottenham Court Road, ok so touching only above customer's chest not waist as I said. But hardly three feet away still...
shameless
10-09-2008, 08:08 PM
I've just watched the Dispatches documentary ( available here for anyone who missed it: http://www.channel4.com/catchup-player/player.htm?brandId=dispatches-the-hidden-world&contractId=46846&episodeId=1 ) - the usual hysterical scaremongering.
As for legal touching - the short answer is that there isn't any - not even in Birmingham. A dancer may touch a customer only to receive payment with no other body part than hand to hand. Individual local authorities will prescribe at what distance a private dance should take place - some have the 3 feet rule (remember dancing at the Fantasy Lounge in Cardiff and feeling as though i should hand the punter a pair of binoculars every time they paid for a PD!) others the one foot distance rule, others the snooker rule (one foot on the floor at all times) and other variants. But as a commentator on Dispatches pointed out 'Either that was almost prostitution or those dancers were very skilled' well duh!!! Yes, we ARE very skilled that's the point! We can make it seem as though you are about to get a face full of boob or make you believe we are stimulating ourselves when we're actually just totting up quite how much we've taken from you and ensuring you don't get your grubby little mitts on us.
As you can tell i watched and ranted. Suffice to say i will be interested to hear the results of the government review into lapdancing coming soon.
Thanks for link, will watch and rant out loud by the sound of it. This country is weirdly puritan...I really don't get why erotic entertainment is such a big deal...for the review maybe the government should take note and actually talk to a few dancers as opposed to so-called feminists and other politician that most likely never have set foot in a club but like to think that they can speak on our behalf?!
Jezzebelle
10-10-2008, 08:35 AM
(remember dancing at the Fantasy Lounge in Cardiff and feeling as though i should hand the punter a pair of binoculars every time they paid for a PD!)
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You`re not even allowed to bend over in FL now!!!
shameless
10-10-2008, 07:30 PM
The government review whether to classify lap dancing clubs into sex encounter venues is highly influenced by...yep you've guessed it - money! (as opposed to genuine concern about a) exploited strippers b) the demoralising effect on society that we're meant to cause).
If passed all clubs in the UK will need to reapply for a license to operate their business however this license will be around £40,000 more - per club each year!
Ching ching say the councils, especially since most of them put their dough in Icelandic banks that folded...!
spartaca
10-11-2008, 12:07 PM
The government review whether to classify lap dancing clubs into sex encounter venues is highly influenced by...yep you've guessed it - money! (as opposed to genuine concern about a) exploited strippers b) the demoralising effect on society that we're meant to cause).
If passed all clubs in the UK will need to reapply for a license to operate their business however this license will be around £40,000 more - per club each year!
Ching ching say the councils, especially since most of them put their dough in Icelandic banks that folded...!
Yes, and you know how those charges will be recouped, higher fees to the dancers. Seriously - not a good time to be a dancer in the UK. I was thinking of coming out of retirement to get me out of a financial pickle that i'm currently in, but if i do it's going to have to be strictly short term.
The problem really is with the fat that clubs now operate under the Licensing Act 2003 which exempts them from the Local Government Act 1982 previously used to regulate clubs and set rules and conditions. Local Authorities now have less regulatory power so people operate how they like with little recrimination.
I've said before, perhaps what we need is a new wave of puritanism and we can get the art of tease back into strip tease!
shameless
10-11-2008, 08:20 PM
I've said before, perhaps what we need is a new wave of puritanism and we can get the art of tease back into strip tease![/QUOTE]
Nah just get the hookers out the clubs, that'll do for now!!! :-)
Vesper
10-15-2008, 11:53 AM
So now I'm this close getting a gown at ISPlingerie but then started reading posts about London again and I'm not sure anymore if I should even try because everybody keeps saying it's so bad... Makes Melbourne seem like a paradise!
I got looks, dance well (no touching) and I'm good at conversations, but if I'd have to every time "fight" over a custie then I'd probably lose. I can't be a bitch nor do I want to be, dancing should be fun to us too and not an 8-hour catfight!
Maybe I should apply for a waitress or a receptionist, at least that way I wouldn't have to pay ridiculous house fee and go home empty handed -? I hate giving up but don't want to be one of those newbie suckers either.:-\
shameless
10-15-2008, 12:39 PM
Vesper - I'm totally with you, I've danced for about two years, started out in Spearmint Rhino in London but I left the London dancing scene about 8 months ago after having tried most West End and City based clubs. I left as as I'm like you, the hassle was not worth the money and I wasn't about to pretend that I'm a prostitute and much less become one!
I can only recommended holding out or getting more sit-down orientated, I mean forget about the days when you could make money through dances alone, pure graft not dancing skills is what you need now, or...move/work in another town. The UK is still a good place to dance but the cash is in smaller towns with less clubs, less girls and as lap dancing hasn't been overexploited.
spartaca
10-15-2008, 02:53 PM
^to add to the above...
Clubs in the UK don't really have waitresses and tipping doesn't really happen, so you'd be better off getting a waitress job at a normal restaurant.
I'm not even sure the money is there in the towns outside of London in the way it used to be anymore - a chain of clubs called Wildcats has just gone bust - their clubs in Harrowgate, Bristol, Blackpool have closed, one of the clubs in Brighton has closed and more are going to be following suit. Hard times.
shameless
10-15-2008, 03:29 PM
Even smaller towns that the ones mentioned by Spartaca can still be worthwhile I reckon, use 1-2 clubs per 200,000 inhabitants as a guideline and clubs that will have max 30 girls on their busiest shift. Having said that there are areas outside of London where I have friends that still have nights where they clear £400-500, however these clubs are not busy (or even open) 5 days a week so mainly this is only possible to make on Fridays/Saturdays.
All in all, good luck Vesper - don't give in and give up!
Vesper
10-15-2008, 04:34 PM
Just found this article (http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/health/2008/10/09/2008-10-09_sex_addiction_on_the_rise_from_pop_cultu.html)
Could depression be a chance for the strippers?
Like I said in one of my earlier post, luckily I don't need to make a living by stripping, but I do need a job. I'm just wondering that with high house fees how much -if any- I'd have after the shift.
I just really want to dance again, it did heaps good for my self-esteem, opened up my mind and I had so much fun. Someday when I'm old (if I live that long) and looking back, stripping would be one of those things that would make me smirk and say with pride: "goddamn, I had the balls to do it!";)
spartaca
10-16-2008, 05:49 AM
Like Shameless said, there probably are probably more options in towns where there is only one club, although you have to make sure that you get the right towns - in the town where i live there is only one club but it's a very deprived town with not a lot of money and girls don't make much at all ( i don't consider taking home 100 GPB per night to be worth it really). But if you don't have to travel to get there and have low overheads then i guess it's ok if you want the other time benefits etc as opposed to a regular job.
Of course, smaller towns usually have lower house fees - 40/ 50 GBP or so per shift. But do your research - you need a fairly affluent little town with a small club, no more than 20 dancers and you should be ok!
The thing is in London that new clubs keep opening. There is a new one opposite the Ritz called the Mayfair Gentleman's club opened about 2 weeks ago, one called the Kennsington Suite opening in November, Sherberts in the city is to open in November,I have had an enquiry from a nightclub in Camden about converting to a lap dancing club, and the White Horse is opening the upstairs as a club.
A few have closed down { I hear Route 66 the old FYEO Park Royal has shut} but lack of trade for other licensed places is making a lot look at lap dancing.
I still think the pubs are a better bet as they are much cheaper for the customer. The City boys used to use Browns before Stringfellows and SR and I bet in hard times they return !
Tyke
shameless
10-19-2008, 05:56 AM
I still think the pubs are a better bet as they are much cheaper for the customer. The City boys used to use Browns before Stringfellows and SR and I bet in hard times they return !
Cheaper - yes but better for the customer...hmm only if the customer is of the type that likes standing around nursing a pint hoping one of the girls will talk to him.
Still no matter how thriving pubs may become now there is no way I'd work in one. Being nude on stage doing open leg moves in front of 80 blokes knowing that most probably quite reluctantly agreed to contribute with their loose change...nah no matter how I look at it I'd feel cheap.
Also reading the London stripper biography 'Girl in high heels' I was mortified at the amount of abuse the dancer got working in what must be Browns and The Griffin...I mean beer chucked at her, burned with cigarettes and the degrading remarks that seemed to be the order of the day, especially when doing the jug collections. Also getting used to working in strip pubs, you're hardly doing yourself any favours as it seems the routine of dancing round a pole in the private dances means you can hardly keep your balance when you go back working in a normal club and have to do lap dances again, or at least that was happened to the dancer in 'Girl in high heels'.
Ellouise worked at Browns for nearly 5 years so it can't have been that bad ! She fell out with them in the end and I think overstated how badly they look after the girls there. If you read the stuff they actually did used to escort her to the car when she had stalker problems etc I have seen them throw people out who won't contribute the £1 minimum. I have heard lots of girls complain about Wayne and that miserable DJ they have but not that the bouncers won't throw abusive customers out. Although she ended up hating Browns she still says that the White Horse is easily the best place she has ever worked in and she still pops by for a drink odd Friday nights.
We are heading for a downturn but I'm pretty sure Browns which has been open for nearly 40 years will survive.
Tyke