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sexyi86
06-21-2008, 07:03 AM
I think that this thread is being taken off topic. The way I understood, the OP has no problem with stripping and her beliefs, just that she has a harder time relating to the men on the level they expect.
Yes yes guenevere. I have no problem with my beliefs, stripping, or working in a sex industry. I just have a problem RELATING to the environment because I have zero experience

Jenny
06-21-2008, 07:19 AM
stripping for money pretty directly conflicts with a Christian life. you're actively encouraging others to sin, which is, well, not Christian. How about judging strangers on message boards and telling them that can't love god because they aren't moral enough for you?

I seriously heart you mia, I really do, but gawd - this is kind of nutty. If she were Catholic and went to confession and told them that she was a stripper - would they tell her should quit? Yes. Would they tell her that she's not a real Catholic until she quits? I think maybe not.

Electrum
06-21-2008, 07:48 AM
I didn't read all of the posts because the thread has digressed to Christian bashing again, but I can relate to you! Not about the sex part LOL, but I consider myself a Gnostic Christian. Everybody sins, big deal? And since I'm Gnostic, I don't have to believe in the gospels or Bible as a literal or factual truth. I recognize a parable when I read one!

Anyhoo, I don't think it's weird at all. What's the difference between "sinning" at work and "sinning" anywhere else. We all choose to sin in some ways. Sin is more about "missing the mark" than it is about doing something that some sky wizard is going to punish you for.

So yeah, I can definitely relate. I love talking about religion. Some guys love the topic in the club. I've gotten dances from a Catholic on a Sunday evening, and I've listened to advice from a Satanist. It's one of my favorite conversations but I have to choose the men carefully. When I do find one who enjoys a conversation about religion I almost always get dances.

MixedBabe88
06-22-2008, 01:31 PM
I didn't read all of the posts because the thread has digressed to Christian bashing again, but I can relate to you! Not about the sex part LOL, but I consider myself a Gnostic Christian. Everybody sins, big deal? And since I'm Gnostic, I don't have to believe in the gospels or Bible as a literal or factual truth. I recognize a parable when I read one!

Anyhoo, I don't think it's weird at all. What's the difference between "sinning" at work and "sinning" anywhere else. We all choose to sin in some ways. Sin is more about "missing the mark" than it is about doing something that some sky wizard is going to punish you for.

So yeah, I can definitely relate. I love talking about religion. Some guys love the topic in the club. I've gotten dances from a Catholic on a Sunday evening, and I've listened to advice from a Satanist. It's one of my favorite conversations but I have to choose the men carefully. When I do find one who enjoys a conversation about religion I almost always get dances.

I know, I think some people think all Christians are self righteous asshats?
Not so.

Hell if stripping isn't moral neither is being a lawyer, and a list of many other jobs.

Corgan
06-22-2008, 01:41 PM
isn't the christian god all forgiving anyway?? doesn't god know what you're going to do before you do it? that's just what some christians have told me, so, i think you'll be ok stripping... it's not against the 10 commandments. thou shalt not strip... hahahahahah!

Joplin
06-22-2008, 02:45 PM
I didn't read the posts here but EVERY SINGLE NIGHT I get asked what church I go to by older men. they love to talk to me about church. I don't believe in god but I pretend like I do when I'm at the club.

Maybe it's just me, but being christen isn't bad where I'm at. Hell I wish I knew more about it, I'd probably really rake in the dough.

RoseLeigh
06-22-2008, 02:48 PM
I didn't read the posts here but EVERY SINGLE NIGHT I get asked what church I go to by older men. they love to talk to me about church. I don't believe in god but I pretend like I do when I'm at the club.

Maybe it's just me, but being christen isn't bad where I'm at. Hell I wish I knew more about it, I'd probably really rake in the dough.

OMG I want to come to your club! /end threadjack

virgoamm
06-22-2008, 02:50 PM
In Austin? That's so weird! It's such a hip, artsy city and has a really high percentage of educated, worldly and open-mined people. Wow.

Threadjack: How are your bewbies healing? I demand more pics, lol. :)

virgoamm
06-22-2008, 02:51 PM
Hehe Roseleigh we both threadjacked at the same time! But yeah, I guess this counts as another blatant threadjack. Whoops. :P

swaly
06-22-2008, 04:00 PM
I'm not yet a dancer though I'm really, really close, and I'm not a virgin, though I'm really, really close; I don't think it's weird or problematic.

Dottie Rebel
06-22-2008, 05:21 PM
^^Oh, jesus. ::)

WHY?

ETA: Dammit. That was in response to a deleted post!

Electrum
06-23-2008, 08:31 AM
I didn't read the posts here but EVERY SINGLE NIGHT I get asked what church I go to by older men. they love to talk to me about church. I don't believe in god but I pretend like I do when I'm at the club.

Maybe it's just me, but being christen isn't bad where I'm at. Hell I wish I knew more about it, I'd probably really rake in the dough.

That's just too funny. I get the same thing with some older guys. As soon as I mention church their eyes light up. It's craziness lol!

veronicachick
06-23-2008, 09:26 AM
being a stripper means being this fantasy... it probli is harder for you to relate since you have never had sex but it's not impossible to understand. I have only been with one guy and when customers tell me how much they love sex and all that... I pretend like I do too even though I seriously haven't gotten laid in over 2 months. Our job calls for alot of pretending. alot.

ViolaStrings
06-23-2008, 09:36 AM
I'm on the same page as Miabella. I'm not Christian, but I was raised Orthodox, and I am damn sure that stripping is not ok if you're a Christian.

ViolaStrings
06-23-2008, 09:39 AM
isn't the christian god all forgiving anyway?? doesn't god know what you're going to do before you do it? that's just what some christians have told me, so, i think you'll be ok stripping... it's not against the 10 commandments. thou shalt not strip... hahahahahah!


"He" is, but as soon as you realize what you're doing is wrong, you're supposed to stop, admit you're wrong, and try your best not to do it again.

i.breathe.in
06-23-2008, 09:43 AM
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ps: i find it odd that amish has yahoo groups lol.

ViolaStrings
06-23-2008, 09:48 AM
^ are you still pissed off about this gowns in Ohio crap? Gosh.

Everyone is saying how it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that stripping is wrong. Can anyone point out anywhere in the Bible that it might be OK?

I seriously think people who are Christians and strippers are deluding themselves. Our job is seriously not compatible with a Christian lifestyle, and their God would not be ok with it. I don't think you could walk in ANY church and tell people what you do and they would agree that it's OK. He'd probably forgive you, but aren't you supposed to try to do your best to avoid sin? Not just do it and feel bad about it, or do it and try to justify it?

i.breathe.in
06-23-2008, 09:52 AM
^ are you still pissed off about this gowns in Ohio crap? Gosh.

Everyone is saying how it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that stripping is wrong. Can anyone point out anywhere in the Bible that it might be OK?

I seriously think people who are Christians and strippers are deluding themselves. Our job is seriously not compatible with a Christian lifestyle, and their God would not be ok with it. I don't think you could walk in ANY church and tell people what you do and they would agree that it's OK. He'd probably forgive you, but aren't you supposed to try to do your best to avoid sin? Not just do it and feel bad about it, or do it and try to justify it?

what is a christian lifestyle to you, is not to someone else. i can gaurentee you if you went to a unitarian church you would not be judged or looked down on for dancing.

i was not even directing this post to you exclusively.

RoseLeigh
06-23-2008, 10:14 AM
what is a christian lifestyle to you, is not to someone else. i can gaurentee you if you went to a unitarian church you would not be judged or looked down on for dancing.

i was not even directing this post to you exclusively.

I have to agree w/ ibi-there are so many forms of Christianity, many of which don't try to enforce ANY lifestyle in particular. Some are actually more concerned with the actual worship of their lord and not micromanaging people's lives.

SnakeBabe
06-23-2008, 10:46 AM
...Everyone is saying how it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that stripping is wrong. Can anyone point out anywhere in the Bible that it might be OK?...

In the Song of Solomon starting in Chapter 6 it tells of one example when a woman is wearing only shoes. She is dancing for her man in the presence of other people.
They request she turn around so they can see her front too.
No one was corrected in this passage as doing wrong for looking at her nakedness.

As for laws, it’s unusual to see a “Law” saying you CAN do something like strip because laws are often written to prohibit activities.
For example you won’t see a law that says:
you CAN drive with the windows down on your car.
It is just assumed you can unless there is a law prohibiting it. There are many example of public nudity that God never says a word about so many Christians believe it’s permissible.

Perhaps some further study in the scriptures will help the OP with her concerns.

I hope that helps.
Hugs and Hissessss,
Maria

SnakeBabe
06-23-2008, 11:18 AM
... you're actively encouraging others to sin, which is, well, not Christian. ....

There are Christians that believe the bible teaches sex is good because there are so many references where God says nothing about multiple wives, prostitution and concubines. Sex itself is not a sin. It is how sex is delivered that can make it a sin.
Rape
Adultery (the real definition of adultery)
Incest
In pagan worship
Pedophilia
These are examples of sex being sinful but not between consenting adults

Hugs and Hissessss,
Maria

Pretty_Penny
06-23-2008, 11:34 AM
i think it's extremely hypocritical, but then again... i think the majority of christians are.

*shrug* whatever makes you happy.

SnakeBabe
06-23-2008, 12:26 PM
I agree it can look that way but searching the scriptures for the truth is what a Christian does. She is just learning and growing. Believers often make mistakes in their growth that can look like hypocrisy to those outside but it’s expected. We all make mistakes. I think its great she is posting and searching for answers. It’s better than just continuing on in misery.
Hugs and Hissessss,
Maria

ahmeerah
06-23-2008, 12:37 PM
There are Christians that believe the bible teaches sex is good because there are so many references where God says nothing about multiple wives, prostitution and concubines. Sex itself is not a sin. It is how sex is delivered that can make it a sin.
Rape
Adultery (the real definition of adultery)
Incest
In pagan worship
Pedophilia
These are examples of sex being sinful but not between consenting adults


The Bible talks about sexual activity as positive when it's between one man and one woman actually. There are several references about men having several wives, prostitution -- I recall nothing of concubines though. Prostitution wasn't called a "sin" but it wasn't looked highly upon. The disciples/Jesus had dealings or verbal interactions with prostitutes -- they were friendly with them but there was no mention of them having sex with them.

But, I don't feel the Bible is the "Word of God" really anyways. But I studied it for years and years.

RoseLeigh
06-23-2008, 01:07 PM
^^There's lots of concubines. Solomon had a ton. Someone's wife 'gave' them a slave to have babies with (Abraham?). Rahab the prostitute became a wife of one of the prophets. Lots of non-monogamy and lots of monogamy-ish. That sort of thing wasn't considered a sin for a long time.

i.breathe.in
06-23-2008, 01:10 PM
^^There's lots of concubines. Solomon had a ton. Someone's wife 'gave' them a slave to have babies with (Abraham?). Rahab the prostitute became a wife of one of the prophets. Lots of non-monogamy and lots of monogamy-ish. That sort of thing wasn't considered a sin for a long time.

not to mention theres sodomy and incest in the bible.

i dont know how people can take that work litterally. its a great read but i do not think it is the word of god. i think anyone that professes to know it all about god is not a "good christian". that is why though i believe in god, i refuse to call myself a christian.

SnakeBabe
06-23-2008, 01:13 PM
The Bible talks about sexual activity as positive when it's between one man and one woman actually. ....

I dunno…

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David and Solomon, and many bible heroes had multiple wives and concubines.
Abraham gave his wife, Sarah, up to have sex with other kings 2 different times and that was not sin. God even gave him more wealth after this. No condemnation was given.
As for David’s adultery,
God told David that instead of stealing another mans wife and killing him that he should have prayed and God would have given him as many women as he wanted but it was only wrong if he took another man by stealing his wife without permission. This gives me the impression that God is not concerned with how many women you have as long as you are not stealing other mans wife.

As for Solomon, God called him the wisest of all and he had 300 concubines and 700 wives. The only reprimand he got from God was by bringing in wives from other religions.

Sorry, I don’t see this as one man and one woman.

SnakeBabe
06-23-2008, 01:15 PM
.... That sort of thing wasn't considered a sin for a long time.

Anyone got any scripture where it did become sin?

ahmeerah
06-23-2008, 01:20 PM
I dunno…

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David and Solomon, and many bible heroes had multiple wives and concubines.
Abraham gave his wife, Sarah, up to have sex with other kings 2 different times and that was not sin. God even gave him more wealth after this. No condemnation was given.
As for David’s adultery,
God told David that instead of stealing another mans wife and killing him that he should have prayed and God would have given him as many women as he wanted but it was only wrong if he took another man by stealing his wife without permission. This gives me the impression that God is not concerned with how many women you have as long as you are not stealing other mans wife.

As for Solomon, God called him the wisest of all and he had 300 concubines and 700 wives. The only reprimand he got from God was by bringing in wives from other religions.

Sorry, I don’t see this as one man and one woman.

Yeah, I believe I mentioned the multiple wives thing in my post. Basically the Bible didn't say anything positive about orgies. I guess I should've been clearer. I couldn't remember what concubines were so, I left that out and didn't say yay or nay about them.

SnakeBabe
06-23-2008, 01:23 PM
...-- I recall nothing of concubines though. ...... But I studied it for years and years.

None?
Just a brief search and I got these


1. Genesis 25:6
But while he was still living, he gave gifts to the sons of his concubines and sent them away from his son Isaac to the land of the east.

2. 2 Samuel 5:13
After he left Hebron, David took more concubines and wives in Jerusalem, and more sons and daughters were born to him.

3. 2 Samuel 15:16
The king set out, with his entire household following him; but he left ten concubines to take care of the palace.

4. 2 Samuel 16:22
So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof, and he lay with his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel.

5. 2 Samuel 19:5
Then Joab went into the house to the king and said, "Today you have humiliated all your men, who have just saved your life and the lives of your sons and daughters and the lives of your wives and concubines.

6. 2 Samuel 20:3
When David returned to his palace in Jerusalem, he took the ten concubines he had left to take care of the palace and put them in a house under guard.

7. 1 Kings 11:3
He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray.

8. 1 Chronicles 3:9
All these were the sons of David, besides his sons by his concubines. And Tamar was their sister. The Kings of Judah

SnakeBabe
06-23-2008, 01:28 PM
Yeah, I believe I mentioned the multiple wives thing in my post. Basically the Bible didn't say anything positive about orgies. I guess I should've been clearer.

I don’t see it saying anything negative either. I can only guess that if God allows a guy to have 1000 sex partners he probably didn’t boink them one at a time. I imagine a few threesomes happening...…or foursomes...…or Hundred-somes ;D

I do think I remembered some orgies being wrong when it involved forced sex and idol worship but it was not the sex act that was wrong.

StarryEyes
06-23-2008, 01:36 PM
I can't relate, but good for you for sticking to your values and beliefs.

You are performing as an entertainer...you're acting. It's like being in a movie. The customers don't have to know anything about your personal life. Just keep doing what you are doing and provide the fantasy. That is what they are supposed to be there for.

And for what it's worth, I do not feel God is against stripping, as long as you remain kind and respectful to others, then it's all good.

I will even go so far as to say that I learned during my NDE that i was SUPPOSED to be a stripper, that it had a purpose, and that my angels guided me into doing it. I seriously doubt that God would guide me into doing something wrong or bad. And it turned out to be one of the best things I could have chosen to do.

RoseLeigh
06-23-2008, 02:10 PM
Anyone got any scripture where it did become sin?

I can't find it exactly. I could be very off here, but I could imagine the one spouse thing MIGHT have had something to do with the Roman Empire looking badly on concubines and outlawing multiples wives? Since that whole area became part of the Roman Empire in the second century, I believe. A less religious answer, but tribes/cities/etc in the Near East seemed to be okay with multiple partners until they became officially Roman.

ahmeerah
06-23-2008, 02:26 PM
None?
Just a brief search and I got these


1. Genesis 25:6
But while he was still living, he gave gifts to the sons of his concubines and sent them away from his son Isaac to the land of the east.

2. 2 Samuel 5:13
After he left Hebron, David took more concubines and wives in Jerusalem, and more sons and daughters were born to him.

3. 2 Samuel 15:16
The king set out, with his entire household following him; but he left ten concubines to take care of the palace.

4. 2 Samuel 16:22
So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof, and he lay with his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel.

5. 2 Samuel 19:5
Then Joab went into the house to the king and said, "Today you have humiliated all your men, who have just saved your life and the lives of your sons and daughters and the lives of your wives and concubines.

6. 2 Samuel 20:3
When David returned to his palace in Jerusalem, he took the ten concubines he had left to take care of the palace and put them in a house under guard.

7. 1 Kings 11:3
He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray.

8. 1 Chronicles 3:9
All these were the sons of David, besides his sons by his concubines. And Tamar was their sister. The Kings of Judah

Forgive me for not remembering the "concubines" word during my studies. It really wasn't important to me. I didn't say concubines weren't in there in my original post. I was saying I couldn't recall any mention of them. I never said they weren't in there. I don't even know what concubine is (as I said a little while ago). Give me a break on the concubine thing, k?

RoseLeigh
06-23-2008, 02:30 PM
^^Not hassling you, I swear. A concubine is a woman that a man takes as a sex partner, who often lives with him and his legal wives (but not always). She may be of lower social status (a slave, a non-citizen, a former prostitute) and therefore un-marriageable. Like harem women or a mistress.

Lady Xplicit18
06-23-2008, 04:09 PM
i think it's extremely hypocritical, but then again... i think the majority of christians are.





I totally agree with you PP.

ViolaStrings
06-23-2008, 04:58 PM
^ fo sure

Corgan
06-23-2008, 05:31 PM
don't they all guen? ;)

ViolaStrings
06-23-2008, 05:43 PM
Seriously. Everything has to turn into a fucking argument.

I am guilty of participating. It's just too easy with the title of this thread.

Samba
06-23-2008, 06:07 PM
Yes yes guenevere. I have no problem with my beliefs, stripping, or working in a sex industry. I just have a problem RELATING to the environment because I have zero experience

What was this thread about, again? Oh yeah....

Pretty_Penny
06-23-2008, 07:42 PM
don't get me wrong, i'm actually GLAD most christians are hypocritical. i'm thankful more of them don't follow the scripture to a T. it's a pretty homopobic and sexist book. it's full of "acceptable" rape and violence against women.

and yes, i've read the whole thing. i actually still have a good portion of it memorized.

Widget
06-23-2008, 07:49 PM
I would think with all the judging that is done of dancers, dancers would be the last to judge, even if the OP lady makes no sense. Obviously, we can't just do whatever we want, I think most people would laugh at the idea of Jeffrey Dalmer saying he was a Christian while he was killing and eating people, but then again, those folks in Joshua killing all the women and children weren't too nice either, so I think the whole conversation makes no sense, but it is entertaining. Despite this, dancing nude is not eating people, so unless someone thinks dancing nude will bring about harm to people, why should Jesus, and if they think dancing is harmful to people and still do it, then doesn't that make you evil, or at least a sociopath, or could you be one of the crazies who think something is harmful to people but not wrong, or not harmful but still wrong? Good, evil, crazy, there's a whole continuum and it all gets mushy in the middle.

Elusive21
06-23-2008, 08:04 PM
It depends on what sort of Christian you are to be honest.

(Warning: I am about to go down the Catholic versus Orthodox versus Protestant road right about now)

Christian faith as it is practiced here in the United States is for the most part not much more than a folk religion. It has no foundation in the historic practices of the churches and was in fact born from a rejection of the church. To put things in simple terms: people got frustrated with all the churches so they picked up their King James Bibles and their lack of any real education concerning the faith and walked out to go form their own religious practices. This is fine and alright for those people who practice any of these Christian religions but there are some core problems as well.

For one the people who practice them are separated from the historic lineage that is the religion. Christianity is not just a religion that sprung up when some political activist named Jesus was nailed up to a tree. It is the continuation of a religious tradition stretching back through Roman Mithraism and Zoroastrianism and Judaism and several other faiths beside which are older and unnamed. It is the preservation of these sacraments - the baptism and the eucharist and so forth - which are even older than the religion itself. To remove oneself from that lineal history is to separate oneself from the ever evolving cultural context of the faith.

What this ends up causing is a whole bunch of little splinter churches who fight all the time and cannot agree with one another because their understanding of the Bible is not actually based upon the true foundations of the church. It is based upon their feelings and their feelings are derived not from the divine but from how and where they were socialized. This is why American Christianity is filled with so many divisive religious sects who are in constant argument with one another over the simplest little things. This is also why the American Christian sects which were actually started by people who were actually educated in religion and religious doctrine remain peaceful and for the mosts part without judgement concerning issues like these. Meanwhile the Catholic and Orthodox churches provide strippers and prostitutes and others who work in the adult industry with a saint (!!Santa Claus!!) who looks after us and watches over us whether we decide to change our ways or not because after several thousand years they know that the sin - if you believe in such a thing as mortal and venal sin - is in the taking and not in the temptation. It is this divisive and holier than thou must repent attitude which is spoken against with very firm words in the first and second books of Clemens in fact.

I am not Catholic so I am not speaking on behalf of the churches for that reason. In fact I believe that for the most part the Catholic church has a long history of irresponsible behavior which I cannot support. I am Gnostic and though that is similar in many respects to Catholicism there are enough differences that Pope Benedict once referred to the Gnostics as the single greatest threat facing Catholicism in the modern era. But our church is part of the same historic lineage as that the Catholic and Orthodox churches share and so I kind of need to say something on that account when someone comes in claiming that Jesus Christ himself may as well have condemned all strippers, ignoring the fact that many who were in his congregation were prostitutes and that none of them are ever asked to repent for the paths their lives have followed.
You are only a hypocrite if you act contrary to that which you believe to be true, and if you do in your most genuine heart believe that stripping is wrong then you should quit. But if after some soul searching you come to find that the wrongness of dancing is not something you believe in and it remains something you enjoy then stick with it. Remember that the Bible is not one book and that it is a text which is intended for debate. This is where all those famous contradictions that everyone loves to point out come from. It is several books written by several different authors and, until the major churches decided that debate was inconvenient, the words of those authors were debated time and time again so that people could make their own decisions concerning their faith and doctrine while still remaining members of a single communion.

In other words you are almost certainly good and probably not the hypocrite whom you believe yourself to be. Just maintain a commitment to knowing yourself while cultivating the divine gift within you and let the folk Christians spread their prejudice, willful ignorance, and servitude elsewhere.


THANK YOU! So many people seem not to understand this.

nicole84
06-25-2008, 08:42 PM
1) miabella...it's people with attitudes like yours that make me oh so glad I'm not religious. well, not even spiritual, I;m athiest, after trying judaism and christianity.

2) to answer the OP. A club is a sexually charged place. that said though, you can move the conversation away from your personal life. Just turn it back on the custy and keep him talking way more than you.

3) To repeat what others have said....getting into stripping to get attention or to try and make yourself feel better about yourself sounds like a bad move. Too many guys out there will try to prey on you. Do what you think is best, but be careful, ok? :)

StarryEyes
06-26-2008, 12:38 AM
Yeah. If guys pick up on your insecurities, you're toast.

Go in with confidence and be ready to bank.

VegasPrincess
06-26-2008, 01:01 AM
It just makes me really sad that people feel disconnected with religion bc so many people are fucking wierd and fake about it.

I firmly belive that any "religous" person who uses their religion to put other people down is just trying to feel better about themselves. CHURCH IS FOR EVERYONE.

BTW my priest knows I dance and is fine with it. So there haha!! (lol)

sexyi86
06-26-2008, 09:27 AM
BTW my priest knows I dance and is fine with it. So there haha!! (lol)
Ohhh that is awesome!! :)

Electrum
06-26-2008, 11:15 AM
It just makes me really sad that people feel disconnected with religion bc so many people are fucking wierd and fake about it.

I firmly belive that any "religous" person who uses their religion to put other people down is just trying to feel better about themselves. CHURCH IS FOR EVERYONE.

BTW my priest knows I dance and is fine with it. So there haha!! (lol)

One of the first things my priest told me is that I don't need the Bible or a Church to be a Christian.... :P ;) I have yet to bring up the dancing, though. And honestly I don't care what they think. If dancing is an issue with God, which I don't believe it is, I'm sure it's just between me and God. Not a book written by man, an institution, or "believers."

i.breathe.in
06-26-2008, 11:15 AM
One of the first things my priest told me is that I don't need the Bible or a Church to be a Christian.... :P ;)


that is awesome...so contrary to most of the crap you hear.

Electrum
06-26-2008, 11:21 AM
^^ Definitely. I'm lucky because my priest is so open minded. He even mentioned quotes from the gospel of St. Thomas which isn't included in the Bible. I'm sure the majority of Christianity is still... the way it is... but I have hope that at least some Christians are becoming more tolerant, understanding, and peaceful. You know, they way they should be! hehe.