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cutey5032
06-30-2008, 09:41 AM
+1 for the classy stripper rant. All that shit attracts is some PL who is gonna try and whiteknight you. UGH. I will appear sane, as in, I won't go around boasting about a recent arrest or barfight I got into. But thats about where all my class ends.::)

While I think the whole pretending to have an orgasm thing is a little over-the-top, I see where they're coming from. I do something similar to Yek during my dances. I'll compliment the guy on how sexy I think he is "Wow, you smell sooo good" or something. I always wink and make sexy faces, but I try to make it believable. I don't moan excessively or anything corny like that. They believe it, so it works!!

ViolaStrings
06-30-2008, 11:31 AM
I have had three different dancers orgasm with me over the years. How do I know? Well cold sweaty skin, shaking, moaning, heavy breathing - all can be faked although I think I can tell the difference. What cannot be faked is that they sat with me for the rest of the night and did not ask for any additional money. Great conversation and a different attitude than, just another customer. Of course I tipped well, but money is the ultimate motivation ( stripping is a job after all) so that is the best indicator.

LMAO riiiiiiight

cinammonkisses
06-30-2008, 12:32 PM
I have had three different dancers orgasm with me over the years. How do I know? Well cold sweaty skin, shaking, moaning, heavy breathing - all can be faked although I think I can tell the difference. What cannot be faked is that they sat with me for the rest of the night and did not ask for any additional money. Great conversation and a different attitude than, just another customer. Of course I tipped well, but money is the ultimate motivation ( stripping is a job after all) so that is the best indicator.


HMMM FYI maybe they are anemic (like me) I get cold..and plus most dancers sweat if they've been doing a ton of dances..that, on top of the cold ass a/c of course they will have cold, sweaty skin.

noelle
06-30-2008, 02:35 PM
Yeah, I am always cold from the AC but sweaty if I've been dancing hard enough. I also shake a bit if I'm either not warmed up enough at the beginning of the night, or tired because it's the end of the night. So guys always think I am either on drugs or sooo turned on... ::)

golden41
06-30-2008, 06:02 PM
What cannot be faked is that they sat with me for the rest of the night and did not ask for any additional money.


sorry thats not gonna happen with any of us:D

and most women get warm skin when they cum, at least I do. Very warm and glowing, usually my chest gets red when I orgasm.

Adelina
06-30-2008, 06:26 PM
Personally, I don't want to give the customers the pleasure of thinking they made me horny. First of all, they don't, and second if he believed he made me come, who says he can't decide now maybe it's his turn. No, thank you.

ViolaStrings
06-30-2008, 07:12 PM
^ you must really know how to make a dude feel special.

iseestars
06-30-2008, 07:41 PM
Personally, I don't want to give the customers the pleasure of thinking they made me horny. First of all, they don't, and second if he believed he made me come, who says he can't decide now maybe it's his turn. No, thank you.

Sounds like you might be in the wrong business. We are supposed to provide a fantasy and honestly, if I'm getting paid, I'll say whatever he wants to hear...I won't do whatever he wants but I'll play up to his fantasy. If I was a customer, I would never get a lapdance from you. I've also never had a guy decide "it was his turn" to cum. They always have me just sit there next to them after I "cum" and relax and maybe sit back there for a few more songs. I don't think it's fair when you have never used this techinque to bash it and say what goes wrong with it.

SuzieQ523
06-30-2008, 07:46 PM
I have had three different dancers orgasm with me over the years. How do I know? Well cold sweaty skin, shaking, moaning, heavy breathing - all can be faked although I think I can tell the difference. What cannot be faked is that they sat with me for the rest of the night and did not ask for any additional money. Great conversation and a different attitude than, just another customer. Of course I tipped well, but money is the ultimate motivation ( stripping is a job after all) so that is the best indicator.


:loco:

Lysondra
06-30-2008, 07:54 PM
When men go to a strip club they want to think that Miss Janey there is a stripper secretly and nobody knows but she has so much fun and it's such a turn on that it makes her eager to entertain someone for money because it's HOT.

They don't want wife with three kids just paying the bills with asscat face or deep dirty whore who fucks everyone loudly... strip clubs are about fun and enjoyment and, shockingly, making a girl happy. When I go to a club, nothing is a better turn on and makes my pockets empty than a woman ENJOYING herself and being a little 'minx'. Having fun and then giggling and going, "Oh I never act this free in public, heehee!"

A man wants to feel big and masculine - and making Miss Shy open up into a happy flirty party girl who thinks being naked is hot and sexy and it turns her on (with or without contact, it's ALL personality baby) makes him feel like a man.

saphire123456
06-30-2008, 08:14 PM
When men go to a strip club they want to think that Miss Janey there is a stripper secretly and nobody knows but she has so much fun and it's such a turn on that it makes her eager to entertain someone for money because it's HOT.

They don't want wife with three kids just paying the bills with asscat face or deep dirty whore who fucks everyone loudly... strip clubs are about fun and enjoyment and, shockingly, making a girl happy. When I go to a club, nothing is a better turn on and makes my pockets empty than a woman ENJOYING herself and being a little 'minx'. Having fun and then giggling and going, "Oh I never act this free in public, heehee!"

A man wants to feel big and masculine - and making Miss Shy open up into a happy flirty party girl who thinks being naked is hot and sexy and it turns her on (with or without contact, it's ALL personality baby) makes him feel like a man.

yup, makes them feel special...;)

Oksana23
06-30-2008, 09:13 PM
Hell, I very nearly DID have an orgasm once because this ugly old fat dude had a really soft shirt on....

whoa, that account just made me a throw up in my mouth a little...tmi? lol

I have gotten to the point where I no longer even approach, or dance, for men I couldn't actually see myself hooking up with on some level.(thank god I dance at an upscale club, with a lot of surprisingly(sp?) attractive custies)Obviously, I try to remain as openminded as I can for financial reasons, but this does generally cut out all the ugly old fat dudes! I just leave them for someone else.(Also men with beards, or wearing shorts, personal preference)

Here is a trick to find out if the custy is even open to the idea of getting his dancer off , since not all are. Towards the end of their 1st dance, ask if them if they like it when their dancer moans in their ear a little "like this *soft moan*" check their body language, if they tense, or act even slighty uncomfortable or shy, abort mission, giggle and try a different tactic. They are keen to idea if they react positively(sp?), so moan a little, than just keep turning it up a notch with each additional song. Men are dense, so at some point I bluntly tell them "wow, you're really starting to make me hot back here" or something along those lines. Then drop hints they could possibly "get you off" but you have "to be professional". The custy will usually then make it his mission to have his naughty little dancer get herself off, even though she's supposed to be professional. This also makes it seem like you don't do this with every guy. If you dance for buddies or guys in a group, don't fake an orgasm for more than one of them, save it for the one who has the money. good luck!

Adelina
06-30-2008, 09:15 PM
We might be speaking about different things with some of you. Of course, a man wants to feel special and the dancer who can make him feel that way will be popular. However, I thought the subject of this conversation was how to increase earnings by faking an orgasm at the club. There is a difference between enjoying a dance and the man's company and having a fake orgasm, isn't there.

hehehaha
07-01-2008, 08:48 AM
girls, i did not get it. how can u have orgasm during lab dancing? i know you can touch yourself. but not down there, r u?
i assume you can touch yourself everywhere on the body, but i ll charge at least double the money for a masturbate show.

Yekhefah
07-01-2008, 08:56 AM
I don't think anyone doing this is masturbating. I know I'm not. Some of us are pretty wired; I can have an orgasm without touching my genitals at all if I'm aroused enough.

Lysondra
07-01-2008, 09:00 AM
Orgasms are in the mind, not body. That sure as hell took me awhile to figure out.

princessparis
07-01-2008, 09:03 AM
We might be speaking about different things with some of you. Of course, a man wants to feel special and the dancer who can make him feel that way will be popular. However, I thought the subject of this conversation was how to increase earnings by faking an orgasm at the club. There is a difference between enjoying a dance and the man's company and having a fake orgasm, isn't there.

^^ There is, and faking it is just taking "enjoying the dance" to a higher level.

This is a bold statement that i'm about to make but here goes anyways.

Any girl who:
1. Doesn't know how to act
2. Doesn't know how to act WELL -> as in making it seem REAL
3. Doesn't want to act cause she thinks it's "fake"
4. Won't act cause she's to afraid to
5. Doesn't act cause she's tried to before and was so bad at it that she had a customer see through it so she won't try it again...

.... That girl is NOT reaching her full earning potential

Acting takes practice just like anything. Some people have been doing it in social situations for YEARS before they set foot in a strip club... my guess is that you've done it too.... you know like when you lied to your parents and said you were going to a friends house to spend the night :)... you had to make it seem like you really were going to go to your friends house otherwise you probably wouldn't have gotten away with it. You just have to figure out how to use the same technique with customers in the club!

Guys go to a strip club for either 1. Feminine acceptance, 2. Erotic entertainment or 3. Both.... usually for #3 though. But this is the thing... they want to "know" that what they are seeing is real. They don't want to think it's a trick. Can you imagine a magician doing a trick and and just spoiling the illusion the whole time by not properly concealing his trick cards or letting props haphazardly fall out of his hidden pockets.... He wouldn't be much of a magician because the illusion would obviously be fake!

That is the #1 most important thing to a guy: is that it's REAL. But thats the thing... it doesn't HAVE to be real. Girls can still make money by providing guys with what IS real... but girls can make A LOT MORE by making what isn't real - REAL through VERY GOOD acting.

As for how far you take it well... like I said guys come to the club for 3 reasons. The more you provide those things: feminine acceptance and erotic entertainment - In proportion to what the individual customer wants - the BETTER... as long as to the customer it seems REAL.

And thats my take on it..... sorry it's so long

My advice: pick up a few books on acting or creating illusions. One of my favorites: Magic and Showmanship by Nelms. It's for magicians, but it'll teach you how to create an illusion (aka something that isn't real but seems like it is) and it'll teach you how to create an entertaining routine (i've used it to stage my private shows and stage sets) Another one is Win the Crowd by Cohen.

britneyireland
07-01-2008, 04:11 PM
I've never acted that way, and to be perfectly honest I DON'T WANT to attract the type of customer that wants me to act that way. I prefer the lonely types that need a hug and someone to tell their sad story to. There's one every night.

Silky
07-01-2008, 04:30 PM
just want to add that i dont see anything wrong with a sexy subtle moan as part of a lapdance....even if the customer knows its fake . It is still a sexy addition to the show and better than watching a webcam girl fake by his computer.

princessparis
07-01-2008, 11:06 PM
I've never acted that way, and to be perfectly honest I DON'T WANT to attract the type of customer that wants me to act that way. I prefer the lonely types that need a hug and someone to tell their sad story to. There's one every night.

... Are you a top earner in your club?

... And is there anything wrong with a girl if she doesn't MIND attracting customers that want "erotic entertainment" to make more money than she could make if she just went for the lonely types? I mean i think MOST of us would prefer to go for the lonely types... but if we all DID then there would be all these horny guys with a shit load of money and no one to spend it on!!!

More power to you if your happy living off of what you can get out of the "talkers" but I'd prefer to max out my earning potential which often means expanding my customer base. Yeah sure, we all have a certain "niche" client that we attract most... but there's a reason that starbucks and walmart are corporate giants... it's because they can cater to a HUGE variety of customers! If you drink coffee you will probably find yourself at a starbucks at some point and if you don't mind taking advantage of sweat shop laborers then you will probably find yourself at a walmart :)

Point being... when you limit what clients you'll cater to you limit your earning potential. Supply and demand... When there are more clients to demand your services you can potentially ask for higher prices (or make customers wait, or whatever...) ... after all your time is a very limited resource!!! So while your sitting there getting $10 for every drink some poor sap buys you while you listen to his sob stories I'll be in the champagne room getting $100 tips making a guy think that "all this dancing is getting me wet" and that "I loovvveeee dancing for him so much that I oOoOOOooooooooOOO!!!" And I'll have a couple regulars sitting outside waiting to get private shows from me after i'm done.

Another thing about demand... it's a psychological thing too... when guys see how much other guys want your time... they want your time even more! This is a huge trick the video game companies play on us every year at christmas. They purposefully under-stock Wii's and PS3's because they know that the fight to get one is part of the hype... it increases demand. I could go into a long peice on how you can use this in stripping but for now i''l leave it as just something to think about. Point being: wider customer base (i.e. being able to entertain the lonely guys AND the horny ones) = more $$$ (or earning POTENTIAL)

If you don't want to then fine, good for you, but i'd bet that you could make more money if you did. And just so you know, the way you worded your statement sounded very derrogetory to girls that will work with customers that are looking for "erotic entertainment" (even though they're not even giving extras!!!!!). I can understand that you want to offer your support to girls who don't want to do that, but you should really consider how it came off to the girls who don't mind working with those types of clients.

princessparis
07-01-2008, 11:16 PM
just want to add that i dont see anything wrong with a sexy subtle moan as part of a lapdance....even if the customer knows its fake . It is still a sexy addition to the show and better than watching a webcam girl fake by his computer.

It's true... it's just like fake compliments! Swear to god! ->>> http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113205

Adelina
07-01-2008, 11:37 PM
A dancer who is NOT comfortable with acting overly sexual will not be making more money trying to be who she is not. What's the point of telling those of us who attract different type of customer that we are in the wrong business. If you can make more by moaning and "coming", more power to you. I'd rather deal with the guys who are into other things. Not every customer comes to the club for a sexual experience.
BTW, the lonely guy usually is a bigger spender that the guy who is impressed if you "come", imho.;)

Chrissy68
07-01-2008, 11:40 PM
Yek is dead on. I also did a long string once with a guy doing exactly what yek wrote. I called him (after that) Dan the 24 couch dance man, behind his back to Emily.

Grinding hard is never the way to get long strings of repeat dances. Mimicking your actual passionate orgasms, however, is the way.

Corgan
07-01-2008, 11:54 PM
this thread had some posts in here that made me lol.

jaizaine
07-02-2008, 12:24 AM
I had a weird experience once where I was dancing for this guy on his bucks night and was not grinding and I became extremely turned on and so did he and he was moaning and that was getting me even hotter!! Very unusual tho.

Then I have this regular who I used to get super wet when I danced for him. That was psychological tho.

I couldnt fake it tho. I would be too self conscious that it looked really fake. I breathe in their ears and sometimes do a little groan but i couldnt fake a whole orgasm.

princessparis
07-02-2008, 02:23 AM
A dancer who is NOT comfortable with acting overly sexual will not be making more money trying to be who she is not.[quote]

Yeah but she could make more money if she was comfortable with it -> Wider customer base = more demand = more sales. Just cause she does it for one guy doesn't mean she has to do it with every guy. You have to be able to read your client to see what he wants

[Quote] What's the point of telling those of us who attract different type of customer that we are in the wrong business.

Who said that?


If you can make more by moaning and "coming", more power to you. I'd rather deal with the guys who are into other things. Not every customer comes to the club for a sexual experience.
BTW, the lonely guy usually is a bigger spender that the guy who is impressed if you "come", imho.;)

your not getting it. It's not a matter of CHOOSING one customer or the other, it's about the power to cater to BOTH... Thats how top earners do it... if you were curious. No shit not every customer comes for a sexual experience... if you had read my previous post you would have read that customers come to the club for 3 reasons and i'll repeat them for you here: 1. "erotic entertainment" 2. Feminine acceptance(company) 3. a mix of the first two. I think that guys that come in for one reason are just as likely to have just as much money as a guy that comes in for another reason... it's just how you hustle that's key. You can make just as much money off a lonely guy if you know how to get money off a lonely guy and you can get just as much money off a horny guy if you know how to get money off a horny guy (although i think a horny guy gives up his money a little easier once you get his hormones pumping...)

But just in case you guys were curious... what i've been calling erotic entertainment is like crack to men. When they get turned on and those hormones pumping - testosterone and adrenilline - their higher functioning brain gets shut down and their lower level brain turns on.... THATS how the top earners do it. You get a guy into that state and he is so easily manipulated it's beautiful.

Here's the real key: find the guy with the money and then get him in whatever state he needs to be in to fork over the cash. Getting them revvved up with crazy hormones works WELL... but not on all guys... but on most.... it's a sad truth the male species is mostly after one thing (proliferating their genes)... it's a socio-biological trait is so apart of who they are that you CAN NOT deny it, as much as we women are predisposed to do so. any ways... you should read "The Red Queen" It's about how sex has shaped human evoloution... i really should just write a thread on it already.

The key to the key: Being able to read your customer AND being able to give them what they want. Sure there are guys with money that come into the club looking for someone to talk to. I can make money off of them super easily. But let's say there is a night where the club is full of horny bastards... well if i can cater to them and you can't well... guess who is going to make the $$. And as you can see in the overall scheme of things the girl that can cater to both types of clients will in the long run end up making more money than the girl who can cater to just one. It is totally your choice whether or not you'd like to limit yourself to one type of client... you can definitely still make money but you can be a top earner if you don't limit yourself. No top earner limits herself to one type of client. I doubt you will find many exceptions to that rule (although i aknowledge that there may be some)

I'm really just trying to help you understand the logic behind why top earners are top earners through well known economic, psychological, biological and business facts. Do what you want but this is about what makes top earners top earners. And the truth is that realisticly faking an orgasm is one of a top-earners best tricks in her book... but trust me... there are a few more where that came from.

cinammonkisses
07-02-2008, 07:49 AM
... Are you a top earner in your club?

... And is there anything wrong with a girl if she doesn't MIND attracting customers that want "erotic entertainment" to make more money than she could make if she just went for the lonely types? I mean i think MOST of us would prefer to go for the lonely types... but if we all DID then there would be all these horny guys with a shit load of money and no one to spend it on!!!
.

Yea, I think she is...She's the SUPERSTRIPPPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D


http://blog.myspace.com/AZAVALON

ediblecrayonz
07-02-2008, 07:56 AM
Aren't the three biggest tips here in the hustle hut:
1. Smile
2. Make eye contact
3. Look like you're enjoying it

What better way to make the customer think you're enjoying it than to moan a little. What do you do in bed, just lay there with a big smile plastered on your face the entire time? I find making faces works really well too. Especially if you look like you can't control your expression because you're in so much ecstacy.

Look straight into the custie's eyes like you don't want to look away, shudder a little and open your mouth slightly and close your eyes, then roll your head back and arch your spine, open your mouth more or bite your lip, then let out a little moan. Look at the customer again and shake it off a little. Tell him something along the lines of "I am getting way too worked up." Also a good point to sell the CR.

cinammonkisses
07-02-2008, 08:04 AM
Aren't the three biggest tips here in the hustle hut:
1. Smile
2. Make eye contact
3. Look like you're enjoying it

What better way to make the customer think you're enjoying it than to moan a little. What do you do in bed, just lay there with a big smile plastered on your face the entire time? I find making faces works really well too. Especially if you look like you can't control your expression because you're in so much ecstacy.



Of course look/act like your enjoying it but come on! Deep breathing, sighing, an innocent moan is one thing..but some what I'm reading gives me the impression they are sounding like they are about to cum on the guys lap. :-X

iseestars
07-02-2008, 09:33 AM
I told her that she might be in the wrong business but not because she attracts a certain kind of customer but because one of her posts made it seem like she didn't want the customer to know that she was enjoying herself with him. If someone doesn't want to pretend to get off on a lapdance or doesn't feel comfortable with it, then of course they shouldn't do it but every dancer should at least make the customer feel like he is at least wanted and liked. The techinque should only be used by girls who feel alright with it, if every girl did it, then I would need a new gimmick! There are a lot of techinques out there that some girls use and some girls don't but I feel just because I use a different kind of techinque than other girls, doesn't make it wrong. I actually got started on faking an orgasm because the guy I was lapdancing has a wife who wouldn't even touch him and all he wanted to do was please her and was feeling inadequate. Him, being able to "please" me, really made his day and boosted his self esteem and he took care of me money wise and has been a good customer ever since.

Otoki
07-02-2008, 09:54 AM
I would piss myself laughing if I tried that. I figure my job is ridiculous enough as it is. I'm a horrible actress, and the guys who get lots of dances from me are the ones who like chicks who make jokes.

I'm sure this works, though. I just don't have the right personality for it.

msonyxorb
07-02-2008, 06:52 PM
These women are not the hottest girls at my club, but they consistently do more than 23 dances a night, whereas the next runners up (such as myself) do maybe 17 on a good night. I asked what they do...and apparently what makes them so consistently popular is they pretend that grinding on a guy is getting them off and they fake orgasms. They were so surprised that I don't do that. I think that their acting skills have all these guys convinced that theyre getting these dancers off in vip with their mere boners. No wonder theyre so popular! LOL!

i hear about girls doing this but i would worry that this would
1- freak some customers out
2- would make the customer feel so good about himself that he would feel that he shouldnt need to pay if the girl is enjoying herself so much, she should actually be paying him, and thus decides to stop buying dances and instead insist on getting her phone number so they can finish it off the "right" way since he clearly turns her on sooo much

too risky for me to ever try

msonyxorb
07-02-2008, 07:33 PM
But just in case you guys were curious... what i've been calling erotic entertainment is like crack to men. When they get turned on and those hormones pumping - testosterone and adrenilline - their higher functioning brain gets shut down and their lower level brain turns on.... THATS how the top earners do it. You get a guy into that state and he is so easily manipulated it's beautiful.



guys in that state can also get very very aggressive and dangerous though...if a guy thinks you are turned on he feels he has the right to be more grabby, licky, or even pull his dick out.
youre lucky if you can manage the slutty turned on act and not get molested

Adelina
07-02-2008, 07:57 PM
the highers earners I've seen DO NOT grind, moan or "come". They find a special connection with the customer and get the guy so interested in seing the dancer again, that he'll continue returning to the club and paying the girl hourly. And these dancers do not meet customers outside of the club, either. These girls don't act freaky or nasty, they are smart. That's what I call a talent.

princessparis
07-03-2008, 12:42 AM
guys in that state can also get very very aggressive and dangerous though...if a guy thinks you are turned on he feels he has the right to be more grabby, licky, or even pull his dick out.
youre lucky if you can manage the slutty turned on act and not get molested

This is true, but all guys are different.. and not all guys are like this just like how not all guys want you "get turned on" But it can be an art form to maintain a level of sanity with some men... and it's true that some men just can't control themselves, but thats what security is for. One of the very first things my very first boss taught me was to always keep your eyes on theirs not only to build eye contact, but because when someone is about to touch something %99 of the time they look at it before they go for it... anyways point being, if your concious enough of what your doing you greatly reduce your chances of anything happening to you. But fuck, your a stripper... your not working at Macy's. There will always be a higher level of risk working at a strip club. But, if you take responsibility for keeping yourself as safe as possible you greatly reduce your chances of something happening to you. Awareness is key



the highers earners I've seen DO NOT grind, moan or "come". They find a special connection with the customer and get the guy so interested in seing the dancer again, that he'll continue returning to the club and paying the girl hourly. And these dancers do not meet customers outside of the club, either. These girls don't act freaky or nasty, they are smart. That's what I call a talent.

When I'm with a custie and there are other people around i act differently then when there aren't people around. I DO NOT grind (the clubs i've worked at in Hawaii are no-contact) and I don't moan loudly - i'm rather discreet when I do it at all. But that's how i pull it off and make it more "real". (well actually i'm on hiatus right now due to being 8 months pregnant) But perhaps they are and are just discreet about it. maybe you should ASK them instead of assuming that they don't. A lot of shit goes down in strip clubs that very few people know about because discretion is the name of the game. I bet not one of us knows half the crazy shit that goes on in our clubs right under our noses... unless your really really nosy. I always preferred to mind my own business. ;D

As for acting freaky and nasty... just cause you act like your getting off doesn't mean that you have to be freaky and nasty. I always played the part of a very cute sweet girl... so when i did show a little discreet kink it made it even kinkier! You should read The Art of Seduction by Greene. It's called "sending mixed signals" it creates like a mystery almost when there are two sides of you that seem to be totally opposite like innocence or sophistication vs. kinkiness. It's like a psychological vortex that draws people in. If you were just freaky and nasty well, that would be rather boring... it doesn't take a lot of effort to be that way, and a lot of men either have no respect for or can really be turned off by slutty girls.

And if i may quote again you said "These girls don't act freaky or nasty, they are smart. That's what I call a talent." So i'll take it that you are insinuating that other girls and I are not smart because we know how to use acting skills to cater to certain customers desires for some kinky entertainment... which can lead to making a lot of money. I wonder how many people would agree with you... maybe we should take a poll. Oh and BTW, there is no s after 'higher' in The Higher Earners. If your going to make a statement about certain girls like yourself being smarter than others you should probably look over your spelling...

BTW... how long have you been dancing for adelina? And just what advice do the top earners in your club have to give since they are such delightfully clean cut dancers?

princessparis
07-03-2008, 01:11 AM
I told her that she might be in the wrong business but not because she attracts a certain kind of customer but because one of her posts made it seem like she didn't want the customer to know that she was enjoying herself with him. If someone doesn't want to pretend to get off on a lapdance or doesn't feel comfortable with it, then of course they shouldn't do it but every dancer should at least make the customer feel like he is at least wanted and liked. The techinque should only be used by girls who feel alright with it, if every girl did it, then I would need a new gimmick! There are a lot of techinques out there that some girls use and some girls don't but I feel just because I use a different kind of techinque than other girls, doesn't make it wrong. I actually got started on faking an orgasm because the guy I was lapdancing has a wife who wouldn't even touch him and all he wanted to do was please her and was feeling inadequate. Him, being able to "please" me, really made his day and boosted his self esteem and he took care of me money wise and has been a good customer ever since.

I'm in total agreement. lol, but let her stick it out as a stripper and let her not make as much $$ as those of us that will make a custie feel accepted and (like the guy you described) adequate. Men need that, they need to feel like they are sexually attractive and wanted and not all of them get it in the outside world.

And it's true, if every girl felt comfortable doing it then the girls that did feel comfortable doing it wouldn't make as much as they do. I just hate to see the girls that don't feel comfortable doing it put up their malarkey on here discouraging girls looking for tips on to how to make make more money from doing it because it does work. I mean obviously you get it, Chrissy gets it, a lot of very smart girls get it!... and for those that don't get it / can't get it then that's their loss eh? :-\

Gwennnnnn
07-03-2008, 07:32 AM
I don't pretend to have orgasms, but sometimes I moan/make sex noises into customer's ears... They looove it and its fun, too!!

:angel:

iseestars
07-03-2008, 08:04 AM
the highers earners I've seen DO NOT grind, moan or "come". They find a special connection with the customer and get the guy so interested in seing the dancer again, that he'll continue returning to the club and paying the girl hourly. And these dancers do not meet customers outside of the club, either. These girls don't act freaky or nasty, they are smart. That's what I call a talent.

I don't get how being smart has anything to do with it because your high earners (and I'm betting in a low contact club) have a different hustling techinque. I would love to be able just to talk to guys and get paid for it and barely dancing, but that is not going to fly where I'm working. I haven't met anyone down here in the clubs that doesn't make their money off dancing and I have to compete and I do something that I don't mind doing and isn't illegal.

Mily
07-03-2008, 01:10 PM
Uh... Ehrm... No. /:O

cortana
07-03-2008, 05:24 PM
I know there is a heated debated going on, but I'd just like to say that I (sort of) tried this approach last night. I was dancing for this guy and I was doing the normal sensual dance routine I do, and he thought I was getting turned on. So I pretended I was for awhile, but chickened out and didn't do the fake orgasm thing :) ....But he bought more dances because I was "turned on," and if I wouldn've chickened out on the whole bit, I would have gotten more.

I don't feel any less classy though...


*edit* I'd also like to add that I did nothing different from my usual dances except for confim that I was turned on when he asked if I was. I also said things like "but don't tell anyone, it's a secret..." He ate it up.

bebewood
07-03-2008, 07:19 PM
Men need that, they need to feel like they are sexually attractive and wanted and not all of them get it in the outside world.


There is a reason for this...

princessparis
07-03-2008, 08:55 PM
I know there is a heated debated going on, but I'd just like to say that I (sort of) tried this approach last night. I was dancing for this guy and I was doing the normal sensual dance routine I do, and he thought I was getting turned on. So I pretended I was for awhile, but chickened out and didn't do the fake orgasm thing :) ....But he bought more dances because I was "turned on," and if I wouldn've chickened out on the whole bit, I would have gotten more.

I don't feel any less classy though...


*edit* I'd also like to add that I did nothing different from my usual dances except for confim that I was turned on when he asked if I was. I also said things like "but don't tell anyone, it's a secret..." He ate it up.

the whole "don't tell anyone it's a secret" thing... that's brilliant thats part of what I was talking about when I was talking about being discreet. Guys love it. I'm happy for you that you had the courage to try something so bold :D Would you try it on a few other customers too and tell us how it goes? Do you think you got more dances than if you hadn't acted turned on?


There is a reason for this...

lol, yeah, i know.... :laughing: on one hand i feel bad for taking advantage of it... but on the other hand i feel ok about it cause i'm providing them something that they don't know how to get on their own... as long as they're not too disgusting or rude :P

Adelina
07-03-2008, 09:36 PM
telling a guy he turns you on and pretending you just had an orgasm are not quite the same, isn't it.

bebewood
07-03-2008, 09:39 PM
the whole "don't tell anyone it's a secret" thing... that's brilliant thats part of what I was talking about when I was talking about being discreet. Guys love it. I'm happy for you that you had the courage to try something so bold :D Would you try it on a few other customers too and tell us how it goes? Do you think you got more dances than if you hadn't acted turned on?



lol, yeah, i know.... :laughing: on one hand i feel bad for taking advantage of it... but on the other hand i feel ok about it cause i'm providing them something that they don't know how to get on their own... as long as they're not too disgusting or rude :P

I once had a custie like this. He kept complaining both times i saw him at the club how he doesn't know how to touch a woman to make her feel good and stuff. I guess i could have pretended i enjoyed how he touched me (he kept trying to stroke me and massage me) but i was just too grossed out to do it. I dont want him to become delusional. The second time I saw him he kept asking if i was attracted to him and stuff too. Omg, acting a little is one thing, but flat out lying...I can't do it. I dont want this guy going around thinking some 22 year old stripper is actually attracted to him. He should be concentrating on women his own age and in his own looks spectrum.

Perry
07-03-2008, 09:57 PM
Dude! I totally had a guy ask me to cum during a dance the other day! He promised not to touch me, just wanted to watch, blah, blah. And I was a bit tipsy I guess because I looked him straight in the face and said, "Why? I'm just gonna fake it!"

Poor bastard said he loved my honesty and bought a bunch of dances knowing damn well I wasn't getting off. I wasn't even touching the puss! If they really want to beleive, then they will I guess. :shrug:

AlexxaHex
07-03-2008, 10:07 PM
Done it, and banked off of it. I don't consider this an "extra". Everyone's clothes are on. There are cameras. I make it seem dirty when it really isn't. I make everyone else in the room disappear. It's all mental. THAT is an art.

I have a guy who comes in and tips very well and does not try to do anything out of line with me. At the end of 7 or 8 dances, I pretend to have an orgasm. And he tips very well afterwards.
I'll do a lot to hold a guy's attention. Part of what keeps ME interested in dancing is this kind of stuff - acting. I'll tell you that I'm the ghost of Marie Antoinette if it means you'll keep getting dances.

princessparis
07-04-2008, 12:32 AM
I once had a custie like this. He kept complaining both times i saw him at the club how he doesn't know how to touch a woman to make her feel good and stuff. I guess i could have pretended i enjoyed how he touched me (he kept trying to stroke me and massage me) but i was just too grossed out to do it. I dont want him to become delusional. The second time I saw him he kept asking if i was attracted to him and stuff too. Omg, acting a little is one thing, but flat out lying...I can't do it. I dont want this guy going around thinking some 22 year old stripper is actually attracted to him. He should be concentrating on women his own age and in his own looks spectrum.

Yeah that would fall under the too disgusting category for me too.... You gotta know when to draw the line when it comes to what kind of customers you will work with. lol.... I would've told him "that we're really not allowed to touch customers in this club".... doubt that would've made a difference tho... those kind of guys usually don't care... i know the type bllleccchhchchchchchchchchchc :yuck:

princessparis
07-04-2008, 01:04 AM
telling a guy he turns you on and pretending you just had an orgasm are not quite the same, isn't it.

No they're not the same, because both are are different levels of the same concept. Pretending that you've had an orgasm is just taking "getting turned on" a bit farther. I'd say the levels are stratified something like this: smiling at a guy, flirting with a guy, overtly flirting with a guy, dancing or moving sexily for a guy, taking your clothes off for a guy, dancing and moving sexily while naked for a guy, telling a guy your turned on, acting that your turned on for a guy, acting like your getting turned on for a guy, acting like your getting off for a guy, actually getting off for a guy, having sexual relations with a guy, getting off during sexual relations with a guy.

But seeing as how we are strippers and not prostys we can only go so far... (well most of us are at least - i have no hate to the prostys either... they do things i wouldn't do just like how there are girls that wouldn't do things that i do... but the truth of the matter is that prostys can make more money than me by taking it further than i do - just like i can usually make more money than the girls that wont fake an O because i take it further) and acting like we are getting off is usually the farthest we can take it.

If you can actually get off from dancing then good for you damn it. I spent a lot of money on my vibrator to do the same thing that you could be getting paid for.... lol. but when money is the end goal actually getting off isn't necessary and not always possible. Just acting is good enough to take it to the crescendo lol the "climax" if you will (lmao no pun intended)

You get what I mean? everything we do as strippers is showing varying interest levels for a guy from the time we smile at them to the time they see us move our hips and make eye contact... we are showing different degrees of interest. taking it to the point of pretending to get off is just taking it further than you already are by taking your clothes off.

So yeah, it's not quite the same... just like i could argue that taking your clothes off and telling a guy that your turned on is not quite the same. But it doesn't make it any worse to take that extra step farther if it's legal and your comfortable with it. I mean there are girls that work at hooters that would look down on you for actually taking your clothes off but the truth is that they are doing something very similar to you to make money (getting guys turned on), they just haven't taken the concept as far as you have.

BTW adelina you never answered my questions from my last post

And I'd like to remind you that the best way to pull off the fake O is to be innocent or classy about it and discreet. Good Luck ;D

OMG i need to stop posting in this thread already! lol

ViolaStrings
07-04-2008, 08:50 AM
Oh jeez. Even though I engaged in the debate about this, I think we should all just agree that this is a good tip for certain girls dancing for certain guys and thank the OP for starting the conversation. The debate about what the appropriate level of class for a stripper is tired.

Leona_Anne
07-04-2008, 01:09 PM
At my last club, our LDs were full contact and I would do that frequently to be top earner.

at my current club, we can't have any contact, so I found that wiggling about on stage, as if you were masturbating and getting off, works real well. I've brought home bank every night - at least $100 more than my best night at my last club!