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britt244
07-03-2008, 10:20 AM
The arrows were for me, I'm sure, since I was offering encouragement to the OP. Diet is not a one-fits-all thing--individuals have different dietary needs, and what works for one person won't work for another. Some people, especially small-framed/short females, simply do not need anywhere near as many calories as what is widely believed and touted for most people.

Since the OP has lived in her body day in and day out for 20-some years, and all we have to go on is a single post on the internet...she obviously knows how her body works better than any of us. Maybe she is starving herself and in denial about it, or maybe she just knows better than a bunch of strangers how her body functions, what it needs and what is an acceptable diet plan for HER. So IMHO it's benefit-of-the-doubt time. :yes:

to be fair, if she knows better than a bunch of strangers, she shouldnt have posted for input.

and VP, you know i love you girl! we have a lot in common and i like you a whole heck of a lot. i'm just trying to give advice coming from someone who has been there, not trying to sound preachy or yell at you or anything.

britt244
07-03-2008, 10:21 AM
Her set plan was 600, plus wine each night which would raise her calorie count. Any other food that she is planning on eating would also raise it. It would be nice to be able to just write down what one wants it eat and anything extra doesn't count.

wine each night. thats absolutely RIDICULOUS. anyone who is THAT concerned about losing weight that they'd set a plan of 600 cals a day needs to cut out drinking ENTIRELY.

iseestars
07-03-2008, 10:27 AM
wine each night. thats absolutely RIDICULOUS. anyone who is THAT concerned about losing weight that they'd set a plan of 600 cals a day needs to cut out drinking ENTIRELY.

I dunno, I don't feel like two glasses of wine is a lot while working and I've managed to lose weight and not give up drinking. I doubt she is going to be downing them. There are things that everyone doesn't want to give up when dieting. She gives up some and keeps one thing that she likes.

britt244
07-03-2008, 10:43 AM
I dunno, I don't feel like two glasses of wine is a lot while working and I've managed to lose weight and not give up drinking. I doubt she is going to be downing them. There are things that everyone doesn't want to give up when dieting. She gives up some and keeps one thing that she likes.

all i'm saying is that if you are willing to only feed your body 600 cals per day, and assuming that she is not medically the same as you are, where you have a limited amt you can eat, you shouldnt be drinking. if she was THAT concerned about losing weight, i feel like drinking should be the first thing to go. just my opinion...

Lysondra
07-03-2008, 10:44 AM
The number of calories you eat mean a whoooooole lot less than the type of foods you're eating. A lot or a little, eating these types of foods for any length of time is very harmful.

jasmine
07-03-2008, 10:53 AM
The number of calories you eat mean a whoooooole lot less than the type of foods you're eating. A lot or a little, eating these types of foods for any length of time is very harmful.

The Ramen is bad for you, but the rest is pretty healthy. The hot dogs are WAY over processed, but they are lean protein. What is really bad about it besides that? Probably needs to work a slice of whole grain bread (low carb is awesome) in there somewhere, and I'd add a serving of fat-free dairy, but lots of people aren't into dairy. I agree that the extra 200 cals shouldn't really be alcohol, but everyone has some vice they won't give up.

I mean is everyone here telling me that they eat absolutely NOTHING processed or salty? Cause I'll eat my goddamn shoe if that's true.

ETA - I'm really not trying to be argumentative here, but as a recovering ED it is very frustrating to hear the unending criticisms of anyone who doesn't eat perfectly healthy 24/7. Also, I've noticed that no one has responded to posts stating that a Dr. has even said that we are not crazy in our belief that eating 1500 cals a day isn't the right diet for everyone.

iseestars
07-03-2008, 10:56 AM
all i'm saying is that if you are willing to only feed your body 600 cals per day, and assuming that she is not medically the same as you are, where you have a limited amt you can eat, you shouldnt be drinking. if she was THAT concerned about losing weight, i feel like drinking should be the first thing to go. just my opinion...


Honestly, if she was going from 2000 calories to 600 and still drinking, then I would agree but in my opinion and from what I've read from the OP in past forums, she's an intelligent girl and doesn't want to harm herself and I have a feeling that she is going to end up eating more than 600 calories a day because her body is going to tell her to. That's why in my original post to her in this forum, I told her that if she gets hungry, to keep eating things like veggies and she did say that she was planning on it. Like, I don't think she would let herself get lightheaded and weak just to try to stick to 600 calories because that was her original plan. I guess with eating habits, I have just been there and done that so many times that a lot of times with myself, I have wrote down what I want to eat and always end up eating more so I saw myself in what she was doing.

Lysondra
07-03-2008, 10:56 AM
The soups are prepackaged and have a high sodium rate as well. The hotdogs are super processed and the ramen is cardboard with salt. The only things she has that are healthy are the tuna and some vegetables that she is hardly eating any of in comparison to the processed foods.

I'd feel slightly better if she ate bigger salads instead of smaller cardboard packages and canned foods.

Casual Observer
07-03-2008, 07:02 PM
I dunno, I don't feel like two glasses of wine is a lot while working and I've managed to lose weight and not give up drinking. I doubt she is going to be downing them. There are things that everyone doesn't want to give up when dieting. She gives up some and keeps one thing that she likes.

Huh?

Whether or not she's "downing" them becomes irrelevant in the ridiculous scheme of a 600-calorie diet. Alcohol not metabolized becomes triglycerides...also known as fat. When you deprive your body of sufficient caloric intake, it decreases your basal metabolic rate while exercise increases your BMR. As you age, your BMR drops naturally if you don't do anything to increase it. 600 calories a day is a sure way to screw up one's metabolism--and once you've done that, it's not hard to start down the road of yo-yo weight gain/loss and diabetes.

People need to call a spade a spade and recognize that no one on this board does anyone else a service by recommending or supporting pursuit of patently unhealthy dietary behaviors.

msonyxorb
07-04-2008, 02:03 AM
I dunno, I don't feel like two glasses of wine is a lot while working and I've managed to lose weight and not give up drinking. I doubt she is going to be downing them. There are things that everyone doesn't want to give up when dieting. She gives up some and keeps one thing that she likes.
well thats why you gain weight so easily only eating 1000 cals a day.
i had a feeling your food choices must suck, and this confirms it.
you clearly think more about calories than actual nutrients.

no.speak
07-04-2008, 01:29 PM
Campbell's soup is SHIT for you. Throw it out and buy some Amy's.

no.speak
07-04-2008, 01:32 PM
http://www.nutristrategy.com/nutritioninfo2.htm

Make sure you get enough vitamins and minerals^. You should look through above link.

You can get away with 1200 calories a day when you eat REAL food. Your plan is too drastic and even if it does work, your hair and skin will look like shit.

fancygirl
07-04-2008, 01:40 PM
on the logical side-- your body isn't going to support this because that's a lot of fiber--
from what I remember, every gram of fiber you eat takes seven calories to burn.

so if you're already starving yourself at 600 calories (I agree, 1000 is the very least, but really you should be at 1200...and even then it's smarter to continue eating as you are, work out, and then dip lower on calories when your body plateaus from working out)
and feeding yourself a ton of fiber your body is working WAY WAY WAY past that 600 calories.

Great for weight loss but if you're not working out it's going to go for your muscle mass first.

you need to be working out. you need to be doing weight training.

even the master cleanse which is a cleanse first, and a weight loss aid second (or even third behind "mental adjustment about food" has people aim for 1000-1200 calories or more.)

iseestars
07-04-2008, 02:06 PM
well thats why you gain weight so easily only eating 1000 cals a day.
i had a feeling your food choices must suck, and this confirms it.
you clearly think more about calories than actual nutrients.


I think I'll trust my doctors on this one.

UltraViolet
07-04-2008, 02:26 PM
If you're going to trust any kind of doctor, I hope it's a nutritionist or a registered dietitian. They are required to take regular competency exams on dieting strategies and nutrition (because new information is being discovered every day). I really hesitate to believe that somebody like your family doctor is doing that in this specific area.

ColetteCalahan
07-04-2008, 02:34 PM
If I eat over 1000 calories a day, I gain weight. Last summer, most days I kept my calories lower than 1000 and was pretty active and actually built up a six pack and got stronger arm muscles. Everyone is different.

you're talking for yourself. don't talk for OP.

MOST people have a higher metabolism than this and can take in more calories without gaining weight. Please don't keep posting up what may be true for you but is NOT true for the majority of women.

iseestars
07-04-2008, 02:42 PM
you're talking for yourself. don't talk for OP.

MOST people have a higher metabolism than this and can take in more calories without gaining weight. Please don't keep posting up what may be true for you but is NOT true for the majority of women.

I was posting in response that any diet of 800 is unhealthy.

Sveta
07-04-2008, 02:49 PM
I was posting in response that any diet of 800 is unhealthy.

That's what makes me go :banghead: too. For the 3847523495th time, what's right for one person isn't going to work for another. I've also had a nutritionist tell me that ~1000 calories is what I should be aiming for. Caloric needs differ depending on frame size, height, body composition, activity level, etc, etc, etc. The OP is also short and small-framed, so while 800 calories may sound like shock value or anorexia to someone whose needs are different, it could be perfectly fine for her. And I find it unbelievable that some people are still arguing with someone after she's already said her doctor told her her calorie intake was fine.

UltraViolet
07-04-2008, 02:50 PM
....And others were posting that for the majority of people, it IS unhealthy. You're in that minority that it's OK for? Great.

ahmeerah
07-04-2008, 03:23 PM
Lots of great suggestions and truthful advice from everyone!

Just eat protein (poultry, fish), lots of veggies and water and exercise. Keep the food reala nd whole and you'll drop the weight quickly. And if you want to have pretty skin (amongst other things), you need some fat. At the very least take a fat food supplement like cocnut oil and/or cod liver oil.

Lexi
07-04-2008, 07:08 PM
^^^I don't think that's fair to say when you obviously didn't even read my posts. For me, it's unhealthy to eat over 1000 calories. I do not want to be overweight and always feeling bad and sick because some people cannot grasp the fact that everyone's bodies work differently. The OP wanted to lose weight, so she is cutting back calories. She is still eating throughout the day and already said that if she feel hungry, she is going to eat. I don't get where that is being anorexic or unhealthy. Whenever I lose track of what I've been eating and gain, I always make a list of what I'm going to eat thoughout the day much lower than my set calories because I know I'm going to eat more and want to be able to compensate for it.

You (specifically) gain weight if you eat over 1000 cals right? Is this how its always been, or did you yo-yo diet before and this is the result? There is a big difference and that's why I am asking.

Lexi
07-04-2008, 07:10 PM
The soups are prepackaged and have a high sodium rate as well. The hotdogs are super processed and the ramen is cardboard with salt. The only things she has that are healthy are the tuna and some vegetables that she is hardly eating any of in comparison to the processed foods.

I'd feel slightly better if she ate bigger salads instead of smaller cardboard packages and canned foods.


Exactly.

Ramen has 1000-1500 worth of sodium in it. That alone can aid one in gaining 5lbs of water weight almost overnight.

thechaosfairy
07-04-2008, 11:08 PM
Not to mention that overly packaged/preserved foods can trigger starvation mechanisms *especially* if you're eating a low-calorie diet. Look at it from an evolutionary perspective. What do you think we used to eat in the long winters? Do you think that modality tells our bodies to lose weight?

Everyone has a normal caloric intake and it's different for many people. I come out somewhere between 1500-2200 calories usually depending on activity level. But reducing this dramatically for a while didn't cause me to reach a smaller size than I'm at now.

The other day I danced pretty hard (me and one other girl, so half a shift on stage) and ate about two normal meals -- a slice of gourmet pizza in the morning, sushi in the evening -- plus a beer and a scone, which are usually pretty high-calorie. I literally woke up in the middle of the night hungry because I was burning off energy like mad from my intensive day. Which makes sense: looking at a calorie calculator, I burned about 700 calories dancing, probably about 200 more walking around the floor and then 300 more because I walked halfway to/from work, uphill and downhill with my bags -- which means, when you consider that all of this took about 6.5 hours and then I had another six hours of burning at resting rate, I was literally *way* down.

Guys, remember this latter part. At a NORMAL metabolic level, you burn 100 calories per hour sitting and talking (http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/activity/185.html) 130/hour walking around the house, 88/hour reading, 150/hour shopping, 122/hour typing, and 60-70 per hour sleeping or watching television.

That means that if you *do nothing of any effort*, and your metabolism is healthy, you should be burning about 2000 calories daily. Assuming you're a dancer, you should be burning more than that. Even if you're at a lower body weight than average, which makes intake and output lower, you should probably still be at at least 1500.

If you aren't, it may be a sign of various things, including thyroid problems or damage done by crash dieting. A doctor or a natural practitioner may be able to advise you. There are solutions for these things, though they're sometimes difficult to find.

I read -- was it here, or somewhere else? -- that the most reliable way to keep weight off is to sustain a calorie deficit of no more than 20%. Any more than that, and most bodies will assume you are hibernating for the winter and build up the fat layer accordingly. We are optimized for surviving!

Doctors can unfortunately be as ill-informed as anyone else about this. The "party line" in med school is still that fat is caused by laziness, when that's empirically disproven. One of the people I know who has the *most* trouble with her weight -- as in, she generally weighs over 250 -- got that way because she did a lot of damage to her metabolism with anorexia and drugs. She eats like a bird. The only way she has ever managed success with weight loss has been by upping her exercise and eating normally to well.

Brooklynn06
07-04-2008, 11:25 PM
I'm shorter than you and weigh significantly more. This thread made me feel sad. :(

A number doesn't tell you how fat you are. You weren't any thinner 3 seconds before you got on the scale and you weren't any fatter the second it weighed you.

People should just throw out their scales. When it comes to health and size, they fucking tell you NOTHING.

Ever thought about eating more and working out more? Much healthier in the long run.


Thank you!!! I totally agree. To the OP, you would probably think that I'm fat by the numbers: I'm 5'4" and about 133. Funny thing is, when people try to guess they are usually 10-20 lbs off; so it's obvious that I don't look like I weigh THAT much.

That being said, I understand that loosing even a few lbs can make you feel better about yourself so I wish you luck in your diet.

VegasPrincess
07-05-2008, 02:13 PM
Hello everyone!

*lol britt I love you too I didn't think you were yelling at me, BTW*

I just wanted to say thank you ALL for your advice I totally appreciate it! When I started this thread, I was just sharing a diet plan that works for me personally....This was not supposed to be pro-ana plan or anything! It was not anything but a thread inspired by that crash diet thread. I guess I used poor judgement when starting it! The reason that I included a lot of not-the-best foods is I am pretty broke right now and keeping groceries to the minimum. I ended up doing a diet similar to what I originally posted, but I was hungry so now I am in the apx 1000 calorie a day range.....Thanks again for everything everybody, I did read the thread and took everything into consideration and really am making sure to watch my sodium content. I'm happy to report I'm down to 123 and when I get down to 120 I will bump up the calories to 1200 until I get down to my goal weight, 112 or so, which I'm sure will take me a couple months to get to.

britt244
07-05-2008, 02:17 PM
^ no way! if youre eating healthy and working out you can do that in a month! :)

Emily
07-05-2008, 02:52 PM
There is a documentary called Super Slim Me where a girl ate 500 calories for 8 weeks

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6335077.stm (or you can watch it on youtube)

she lost 17 lbs. One could lose that eating a 1200-1500 calories a day....so it's like, why bother starving?

VegasPrincess
07-05-2008, 02:58 PM
^ no way! if youre eating healthy and working out you can do that in a month! :)

I hope so!!! That would make me the happiest bitch on Earth lol :)


There is a documentary called Super Slim Me where a girl ate 500 calories for 8 weeks

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6335077.stm (or you can watch it on youtube)

she lost 17 lbs. One could lose that eating a 1200-1500 calories a day....so it's like, why bother starving?

I TOTALLY agree with you, one hundred percent. Unfortunately, my metabolism is pretty fucked up so for me, I would maintain my current weight eating about 1500 calories a day. When I go towards th 2000 range I gain like mad, which is what I did the past couple weeks and gained six pounds prior to starting my diet :( I've spent the last three years trying to repair the damage I did to my metabolism, and unfortunately it just hasn't happened and it's something I will have to live with for the rest of my life. If I go down to 1200 cals/day I will loose about one pound or so a week, at least in the past that has been my experience.

britt244
07-05-2008, 03:06 PM
^ just remember that in order to fix your metabolism you might just have to deal with that for a while. sorry to sound like a broken record, but the best way to raise your metabolism is by eating healthy (and an appropriate amount of calories - whatever you feel that is for you, but maybe talking it over with your dr or a nutritionist, even one session with a trainer, would help put things into perspective) and exercise. it isn't an overnight process and it won't happen right away. but if you want to fix it for the long term, you may have to deal with not losing as fast as you want and looking exactly how you want for right now. i mean, i know you say you've spent 3 years trying, but what were you doing? and was it consistant and long term? it's hard not to get frustrated when it doesnt work right away but you have to stick with it.

i know that doesn't sound reassuring or pleasant, but you REALLY have to look to the long term when it comes to a slow metabolism. i've been there. i know we're different people and one thing that works for me may not work for you etc - but that's kinda the only safe, healthy way to speed up your metabolism (that i know of).

also, changing up your exercise is important, too. never let your body get used to it. always keep your muscles guessing and you'll see the best results.

Emily
07-05-2008, 03:29 PM
just out of curiosity, are all the women here who claim they need 1000-12000ish calories a day to maintain former crash dieters?

I'm on a 1600 calorie a day diet now and when I do this , I typically lose weight at a rate of about 2 lbs per week. I cannot fathom gaining on this, but then I've never really starved myself.

I'm genuinely curious about this. I've actually didn't realize it was so common for women to require so few calories. I can't all be a height thing (I'm 5'9" and fairly active, btw.)

mollyzmoon
07-05-2008, 04:44 PM
^^I agree...But I'm kind of tall too. I've been sick with no appetite for the last month, and I lost ten pounds...and yet even still, I doubt I've been eating less than 1300 calories a day, on average. And I've been lying around like a narcoleptic walrus.

When I'm running and training, I can easily lose weight eating 1500 calories a day. I do have a busy job at the restaurant, plus dancing. Still. I just don't know why you'd choose to starve when you don't have to...it's miserable being hungry all the time!

I don't want to sound skeptical or anything...but 800 calories is very little. 600 is miniscule. I know when I was weight-watching for wrestling, I was so diligent to learn about calories. I'm sure none of you are ignorant about how many calories are in what you're eating, but I'm amazed to think of people eating less than 1000 actual, honest to god, calories a day. Teeny tiny semi-anorexic ballerinas eat 1000 calories a day. And they weigh like 100 pounds!

shasta
07-05-2008, 05:28 PM
I have never been a crash dieter. I eat more than 1500 calories everyday. I am 30. I am super active. I am interested in knowing how to change a metabolism that has been fucked up, though. I have friends, coworkers, who at very young ages deal with these problems. They are usually the ones who refuse to clean up their diets.

iseestars
07-05-2008, 05:56 PM
just out of curiosity, are all the women here who claim they need 1000-12000ish calories a day to maintain former crash dieters?


Someone else asked about this too since I usually eat less than 1000 calories. I've never crashed diet. My diet had generally been the same my whole life. It was never the healthiest diet but I also didn't eat junk everyday. Maybe like an average teenage diet. I was always pretty thin in high school - a little bit of a belly, but not bad and then when I was 20, I started gaining weight. Not too bad though (I got up to 140), and my mom and I did Weight Watchers together and I just started writing down what I wrote and lost it fairly fast. Before WW, I would jog everyday and even did boxing, kicking boxing, and martial arts for a few months and just excerise alone didn't change my body. Even though my doctors knew about this, it's not like I am on a medically approved plan. They said everything I was doing was healthy and that was it. A lot of my high school friends who kept up their diet that they had in high school, got pretty fat and it was about the same thing I ate. I eat small portions throughout the day and never go hungry. I have read so many different opinions on how many calories that I need so I do what works for me and makes me feel good. I read on one site that someone of my height and weight that I would want to maintain, needs 2500 calories a day and there is just no way I could ever see myself eating so much.

britt244
07-06-2008, 02:08 AM
^ to me, it sounds like youre just.. i dont know how to say this without sounding funny.. not meant to be the weight you want to be. like your body isnt SUPPOSED to be the way you want it to be.

fancygirl
07-06-2008, 02:59 AM
There is a documentary called Super Slim Me where a girl ate 500 calories for 8 weeks

(or you can watch it on youtube)

she lost 17 lbs. One could lose that eating a 1200-1500 calories a day....so it's like, why bother starving?


in sixteen days of doing mastercleanse I lost 15 pounds...actually by day 13 I lost 15 pounds and then gained two back (oddly) during another two days of mastercleanse.

and I'm still at minus oh--6-9 depending on how I'm eating.

that seems ridiculous that she only lost 17 unless she was already slender to begin with.

msonyxorb
07-06-2008, 04:14 AM
....And others were posting that for the majority of people, it IS unhealthy. You're in that minority that it's OK for? Great.
not even that, what worries me is that this girl thinks its okay for 1/3 of your calories to come from alcohol. its not about calories, its about what foods you are eating, and you are not eating healthy if almost half of your caloric intake is coming from a drug.

iseestars
07-06-2008, 06:02 AM
^ to me, it sounds like youre just.. i dont know how to say this without sounding funny.. not meant to be the weight you want to be. like your body isnt SUPPOSED to be the way you want it to be.

Eating the way I do makes me feel the best physically. I used to get sick more often and would drag really bad throughout the day. I would also get lightheaded if I got hungry. Now, I just get hungry and if for whatever reason, it takes me a while to get food, then it takes a while to get weak. I just get hungry first. I've never heard anything bad about the way I eat until this thread.

Vixen2002
07-06-2008, 11:25 AM
This was kind of inspired by the Crash Diet thread, and partly inspired by the fact that I got on the scale today and was HORRIFIED to see that I am sadly officially disgustingly fat. I'm up to 126,my heighest weight ever... (I'm only 5'2")

UGGHH. And my jeans are getting tight, I will be FUCKED if I have to buy a bigger size.

So, bought all the goodies at the store today, and I am committing to at least trying it for two weeks and see what happens...

*disclaimer, I know this isn't healthy, but oh well, I'm giving it a shot anyway*

So, I'm going to try to do about 600 calories a day with food, more if I am really hungry. Also, I like to have a glass of wine or two when I'm either at work or at home on NF to loosen up. So I'm allowing 200 calories for that as well.

I bought:

Carrotts
Celery
Lettuce
Tomatoes
Cucumbers
Tuna
Fat Free Hot Dogs
Cambells Light Soup
Lipon cup of soup
EggBeaters
Ramen
Light Protien Shakes

Basically, I'm going to try to eat 6 meals a day, ranging from 50-200 calories in each meal.

For instance, sample day

Wake Up: have coffee and go for a quick run
Breakfast: 3 servings of eggwhites (105 calories)

Snack: 8 carrot sticks with mustard (40 calories)

Lunch: Tuna with hot sauce (90 calories)

Snack: Small salad with FF dressing (60 calories)

Dinner: Ramen noodles, half of the noodles only (190 calories)

Snack: Protien Shake (90 calories)


So, that's like 585. Let's say that I go to work and have to glasses of wine, it puts it at about 750, which is a LOT less than I've been eating lately, let me tell you (I've probably been at around 2000)


I'm standing up in a wedding on July 19th and I will be fucked if I look like a sausage in my dress *shudders*
I'd ditch the ramen noodles in the evening. it's loaded with salt and simple carbohydrates. Really ramen noodles are just junk food.

RoseLeigh
07-06-2008, 12:11 PM
I'm genuinely curious about this. I've actually didn't realize it was so common for women to require so few calories. I can't all be a height thing (I'm 5'9" and fairly active, btw.)

No, I'm short and weight 105 or something and I eat like a horse. Well, a grazing, small snacks all day horse. I think I'd die at under 1000 calories. I'm sure I eat at least 1500 a day.

Lysondra
07-06-2008, 09:13 PM
I'm short and I'd say I eat a fuckton of food. Maybe 2500 calories. I'm high energy though.

msonyxorb
07-07-2008, 03:46 AM
Eating the way I do makes me feel the best physically. I used to get sick more often and would drag really bad throughout the day. I would also get lightheaded if I got hungry. Now, I just get hungry and if for whatever reason, it takes me a while to get food, then it takes a while to get weak. I just get hungry first. I've never heard anything bad about the way I eat until this thread.


my guess is the reason you felt bad before was the food you were eating before was junk. thats why you felt tired and sick all the time
im guessing eating less means you cut down on some of the junk and replaced it with alcohol, so you feel better but youre still not healthy.

iseestars
07-07-2008, 06:14 AM
my guess is the reason you felt bad before was the food you were eating before was junk. thats why you felt tired and sick all the time
im guessing eating less means you cut down on some of the junk and replaced it with alcohol, so you feel better but youre still not healthy.

Can you please stay out of my diet? I've been ignoring your other posts because you are looking for drama and aren't really reading what I've been saying and I'm not going to sit here and repeat myself for 10 pages. My doctors know my diet and know how much alcohol I drink. You don't. I would think if I was that much of an alcoholic, I would still feel like crap but apparently, I am very healthy. If you can't accept that someone could be different than you, well, then I don't know what to tell you.

jasmine
07-07-2008, 06:15 AM
just out of curiosity, are all the women here who claim they need 1000-12000ish calories a day to maintain former crash dieters?

I'm on a 1600 calorie a day diet now and when I do this , I typically lose weight at a rate of about 2 lbs per week. I cannot fathom gaining on this, but then I've never really starved myself.

I'm genuinely curious about this. I've actually didn't realize it was so common for women to require so few calories. I can't all be a height thing (I'm 5'9" and fairly active, btw.)

It isn't. I have a friend just a bit taller and this used to confuse her until she noticed the differences in body mass, not just height.

The average woman your height is nearly a foot taller than me, and if I was a short stubby little thing, then I could probably eat a similar amount of cals. However, her arms are probably 6 in longer than mine, my feet are 8 in long and most adult shoes are soooo big around I'm swimming in them. I can wear a 4 yr olds hat size, my shoulders are only about 13 or 14 in wide, my hands are about half the size of most womens (my ring size goes from a 3 to a 4 depending on my weight). Everything is smaller, tiny women aren't just shorter versions of taller women.


To Roseleigh - You may actually eat less than you think. I used to think my cal intake was much higher than it actually is. It's why I'm pretty confident that I'm eating enough for my body. I didn't realize how little I actually ate until my office went on a strict diet and they were weighing everything out on the letter scales. (I had been ED recovered, eating healthy & working out for several yrs. I had gained 15lbs or so and lost it gradually, so I'm pretty sure my metabolism had returned to normal.)

I was trying to drop a 3-4 lbs before our wedding so I participated to. I though I probably ate 2000-2500 a day at the time. NOOOOO!

I would get what I considered a serving of Baguette, or fruit, or meat (at the time I was eating chicken) and never bothered to measure, because I ate VERY healthy and was happy with my weight and could barely finish my meals anyway.

Well, once they insisted I measure too since my wedding inspired everyones diet, we noticed my portion estimates were WAY off. MY 4-5 oz of chicken breast was actually less than 2 oz, bread was the same.... EVERYTHING was. I was eating until I was full. Sometimes even a little beyond being full, but not to being stuffed. I just ate a lot of healthy food, veggies, fruits, whole grain bread, lots of veggie meat substitutes. Instead of a diet until this point, if I noticed I had gained 5 lbs during the holidays or something, instead of dieting, I went on my non-diet. I layed out a bunch of healthy food for the day which I HAD to eat. After that I could have whatever else I wanted. Worked perfectly every time.

RoseLeigh
07-07-2008, 03:09 PM
^You might be right. I always eat till I'm full (which is quick, so I eat constantly), but they might be smaller portions. We are tiny peoples. I'm not tiny framed, more like medium, but yeah, I've never weighed my food or anything.

msonyxorb
07-07-2008, 07:43 PM
Can you please stay out of my diet? I've been ignoring your other posts because you are looking for drama and aren't really reading what I've been saying and I'm not going to sit here and repeat myself for 10 pages. My doctors know my diet and know how much alcohol I drink. You don't. I would think if I was that much of an alcoholic, I would still feel like crap but apparently, I am very healthy. If you can't accept that someone could be different than you, well, then I don't know what to tell you.
right, and like someone else said, not all drs are nutritionists and many of them have unhealthy diets themselves. your link is right on your signature, its pretty obvious you are not on a healthy diet, and it looks like your metabolism is probably dead if you eat so little and look average weight.

pennygirl
07-12-2008, 01:07 PM
There are healthy people that just live off of fruits and vegetables and small amounts of nuts, fish, meat, bread .. the other things and look really good

I personally wouldnt worry over calories.. even though math seems to dictate in the end that is what drops weight

Just fill up on raw fruits and veggies.. and do tiny portions of all the other stuff throughout the day

or keep to what you are doing but throw in a higher calorie day to wiggle the metabolism around..

i think if you get quality calories you cant go wrong

green drinks and smoothies are easy ways to get mega doses of vitamins with small calories
lots of fruits and vegetables and light watery foods.. then small amounts of dense foods is what I am doing these days.. i still do coffee all the time..blah
but there were a coupe days I lived off watermelon and felt great

just do what makes you feel good.. we really don't need alot of food to be healthy just the right ones and lots of good water