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PaigeDWinter
07-06-2008, 09:57 PM
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Mr Hyde
07-06-2008, 09:57 PM
ViolaStrings...

Any woman who would strip for a living has no sense of self-worth, is likely a whore, and debases herself be taking her clothes off for men who wave a dollar their way.

OK....see any comparisions to your feelings about porn stars?

(for any one who doesn't get this....these are not my feelings about strippers....just making a point)

ViolaStrings
07-06-2008, 09:58 PM
Are you aware some people DO like facials and DO respect themselves? Are you aware the reason the prices are different is because ANY woman can masturbate but I'd love to see ANY woman anally fist themselves.

Would most people have ever thought to come on a woman's face if it weren't for porn? I would wager that a small minority of women actually enjoy facials, and those who do probably only do because we are conditioned to behave that way to please our men because we are saturated in pornography.

These are just my opinions, and I'm on this board to interact with people. It seems lately that the second that you have a different opinion than everybody else you get flamed and shunned. God forbid you not be ok with vicious woman-abusing pornography. You must be an awful person.

Lysondra
07-06-2008, 10:00 PM
Would most people have ever thought to come on a woman's face if it weren't for porn? I would wager that a small minority of women actually enjoy facials, and those who do probably only do because we are conditioned to behave that way to please our men because we are saturated in pornography.

These are just my opinions, and I'm on this board to interact with people. It seems lately that the second that you have a different opinion than everybody else you get flamed and shunned. God forbid you not be ok with vicious woman-abusing pornography. You must be an awful person.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

Corgan
07-06-2008, 10:01 PM
i second the
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

and lys it's okay. the internet makes it hard to read feeling behind words.

LadyLuck
07-06-2008, 10:05 PM
Pfft. I think porn is a good thing for women who really want to do it. I don't think it's disrespectful or degrading. I love it when i get a facial. My boyfriend loves me and respects me and he cums on my face. What's wrong with that?

Curious and please feel free to tell me to mind my own biz if you want but I have always wondered if the turn on with getting a facial is mostly about being happy/hot that the guy enjoys doing it so much?

It's not that I am a prude but just been married a long time and we do what we do and like it but a facial has never been part of it the deal. We have different kinks :)

ViolaStrings
07-06-2008, 10:05 PM
ViolaStrings...

Any woman who would strip for a living has no sense of self-worth, is likely a whore, and debases herself be taking her clothes off for men who wave a dollar their way.

OK....see any comparisions to your feelings about porn stars?

(for any one who doesn't get this....these are not my feelings about strippers....just making a point)

As I get older, I am less and less ok with stripping and see that I didn't become a stripper because I wanted to, I became a stripper because I HAD to. Now I am financially trapped until I finish school, and in hindsight I see that if I had more options money-wise I never would have done it. I know I'm going to get flamed for saying something other than what everyone else believes. It's the stripperweb way. I don't think many people willingly become strippers, at least they don't consciously acknowledge they are unwilling. I think most of us would flip burgers or make coffee or work at an office if it was the same money, had the same flexibility, and required no training. I think we all justify it because it makes us sleep better at night and less ashamed/guilty.

In a perfect world, women who liked stripping would do it for free because they wanted to and it was a celebration of the body and a beautiful expression of sexuality, not because it was the only way they could take care of themselves.

I know this is totally off the thread, but this is in part a response to the question of "why is humiliation or something unsafe a turn on?".

gingerlee
07-06-2008, 10:06 PM
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

I'm quoting you since it's easier than typing it all out on my own.

I'm not even gonna touch some of the stuff in this thread. I just know that my self esteem is ok, I've never done anything I didn't want to do, and I can look at myself in the mirror and feel fine. And while I don't do some of the things that are considered 'extreme', chicks that do are fine by me. Everybody has a point where they draw the line, and it's a personal thing. Who am I to judge other chicks in the sex industry?

Jenny
07-06-2008, 10:07 PM
Think about "facials" - would any man do that to a woman he respected or cared about? The woman receives no pleasure from it, the opposite actually. It's to humiliate and dominate her. Stuff like this is like consensual rape - horrible things some women have been conditioned to think they want (money or no money involved). No self respecting person would engage in these activities...
I do. Receive pleasure from it. And I'm pretty sure I have self-respect, and for that matter the respect of my partners. And while I sometimes feel dominated I don't ever feel humiliated, and the guys I see would be incredibly distressed if I did. As for "conditioning" - I mean, we've been conditioned to think a lot of things. I don't see this as a particularly egregious example, being safe, hygenic, consensual and all that other stuff that we think is good about sex. I would personally view "consensual rape" as something involving fraud or extortion; not just a practice that someone else finds unpalatable.


The feminist in me comes out sometimes, and I am at odds with porn and this industry in general. I actually often completely disagree with our industry, but I justify it by telling myself "I'm using it to get through school". It's all unhealthy. There. I said it. I think this is all unhealthy.
That's fair enough. I'm sure most of agree at least sometimes. But critiquing the sex trade is a far cry from what you were doing before. We don't need to re-open everything that was said, but what you've said here gives people a lot of room to understand you, even if they disagree. Something I would point out about "NHI" though - Lily Burana was critical of it. Not endorsing it. She certainly wasn't saying "thank god they were prostitutes and not strippers".

ViolaStrings
07-06-2008, 10:08 PM
^ no, I was HORRIFIED by the NHI thing. I think Namoi Wolf said something along the lines of "woman can either choose to have respect and protection (by society) and no freedom, or freedom but no respect or protection".

madmaxine
07-06-2008, 10:09 PM
Think about "facials" - would any man do that to a woman he respected or cared about? The woman receives no pleasure from it, the opposite actually. It's to humiliate and dominate her.

I remember reading in "Strip City" by Lily Burana that prostitute deaths in one city at one time were classified as "NHI" crimes - no humans involved. I am sure strippers would get the same treatment.

The feminist in me comes out sometimes, and I am at odds with porn and this industry in general. I actually often completely disagree with our industry, but I justify it by telling myself "I'm using it to get through school". It's all unhealthy. There. I said it. I think this is all unhealthy.

I have to disagree. I enjoy rough sex. This does not diminish me out of the bedroom, in fact, it makes me feel more powerful and feminine. It's psychology.

I also read "Strip City"- the "NHI" classification is disgusting, but illegal immigrants and impoverished Americans are given "NHI" treatment as well in case of their untimely deaths (see: annual death rates of border crossers and Hurricane Katrina.) The issue with women in the sex industry is a particular "stigma" that comes from Westernized culture. In some foreign countries, sex workers are just another class of person.

I love what I do & it's not all perfect but no job is. My favorite thing to tell sex industry haters is- talk to a burned-out cop or paramedic and see what their occupation did to them for a terrible pay scale and long-lost good intentions.....I feel like a lucky girl having stumbled into the sex biz. It wasn't planned, but it was a good thing.

EDIT TO ADD- I fucking BELLOWED at Paige's thread off-track pic!!!! HAHA!!

PaigeDWinter
07-06-2008, 10:10 PM
So yeah, how about that ORIGINAL TOPIC?

CKXXX
07-06-2008, 10:10 PM
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
I second that...or is it thirded now??Some people dont know when to effing stop.

ViolaStrings
07-06-2008, 10:10 PM
^ god forbid a conversation branches out.

TheSexKitten
07-06-2008, 10:13 PM
Think about "facials" - would any man do that to a woman he respected or cared about? The woman receives no pleasure from it, the opposite actually.

Oh well now that's no fun... }:D Facials are so vanilla anyway.

Budai
07-06-2008, 10:15 PM
So yeah, how about that ORIGINAL TOPIC?


i'm watching porn sometimes and i really don't know why some of these girls get cast.

for instance... i LOVE this clusterfuck dvd i have. tory lane gets me off allll the time, she's so raunch!!! but then, on the same dvd, there's cindy crawford. not THE cindy c, the porno cindy c. she puts no effort into it. she lays there and gets fucked.

boo.

^ Oh, this one?

Well, after thoroughly researching their Eskimoporn.com links, I agree with Corgan (rhymes with "organ" ;)) that Tory Lane seems more "into" her scenes than Cindy Crawford does...

Golden_Rule
07-06-2008, 10:16 PM
Would most people have ever thought to come on a woman's face if it weren't for porn?

There is relatively little one human being can do to another, sexually or otherwise, that is new or innovative. It has literally ALL been done before.

I should point out that simply the fact you may not have known this to be so until it was pointed out to you isn't evidence of its nonexistence, but your possible general lack of "worldliness".

That said I do think porn, in general, is rather boring fare. Actors and actresses stiffer than the Viagra enhanced male members that take up 3/5s of the screen real estate and less satisfying to the senses than plain rice cakes.

I did find gonzo porn interesting for a bit. Real people showing real emotion mixed with real, sometimes incredibly awkward, sometimes funny, sex - and isn't real sex sometimes just that. Then it became a caricature of itself and that faded too.

Just nothing particularly interesting, and certainly little erotic, about it.


These are just my opinions, and I'm on this board to interact with people. It seems lately that the second that you have a different opinion than everybody else you get flamed and shunned. You must be an awful person.

I'm wondering how this works out for you? I've earnestly and honestly proclaimed the same thing myself and been shot down in flames. :)

LadyLuck
07-06-2008, 10:16 PM
To be honest i don't know exactly why i like facials. It somethings different i guess, it feels interesting. When i'm turned on my face/neck is super sensitive i can orgasm from being kissed or breathed on so i guess the way it feels when the cum is going on me and is on me is nice. I'm a weirdo lol. I'd rather have my face area breathed on than be fingered! Sorry probably TMI.

Not TMI at all considering I asked and thank you for being willing to answer such a personal question. Btw, I think it is so lovely that you get such pleasure from your neck area. That must be awesome. You can actually have sex in public and have it not be illegal! What a gift :)

Corgan
07-06-2008, 10:17 PM
i like katsumi too... i'm not really into asian women but i like her. :D she was the first DP i ever saw.

i.breathe.in
07-06-2008, 10:18 PM
uh i like facials.....

gingerlee
07-06-2008, 10:18 PM
Is it awful that I just keep refreshing the page over and over? It's not even because I want to say something...I just can't look away.

Lysondra
07-06-2008, 10:19 PM
I don't even like certain people in porn. I just like porn. I tend to look up gangbangs and stuffs. :D Better odds.

madmaxine
07-06-2008, 10:20 PM
So yeah, how about that ORIGINAL TOPIC?

:P It's a clusterfuck of Stripper ADD! It's all FUBAR!!!:P


Back on topic- this is so stupid, but I saw a thumbnail of a girl in a porn who bleached her hair platinum blonde BUT her eyebrows were still black...and BUSHY!!!! She looked so strange. Doggy style, O-face,...with Groucho Marx eyebrows. NO fucking joke.

Corgan
07-06-2008, 10:20 PM
i love gangabangs.

Jenny
07-06-2008, 10:21 PM
^ no, I was HORRIFIED by the NHI thing. I think Namoi Wolf said something along the lines of "woman can either choose to have respect and protection (by society) and no freedom, or freedom but no respect or protection".
A lot of writers have said that, or something similar... but they are critical of that as well. They aren't saying "those subhuman porn stars should be treated, and by extension talked about, like trash and we should all revel in our superior human status."

I would agree that porn has tended to glamorize female humiliation and has embraced misogyny and male dominance and undermined female pleasure. I don't know that means that I'm being humiliated or "consensually raped" when a guy comes on my face; moreover I don't think the remedy is to demonize porn actresses or declare them to be subhuman, or asserting a morality scale on which they are at the bottom. That thinking reinforces what Wolf was concerned about, it doesn't repair it. Also consider - the fact that you realize things about yourself and your own history doesn't really give you standing or position to realize things about everyone's history. I mean, you wouldn't much like it if I said "I realize that I started dancing to empower my own sexuality, and you just don't realize yet that you did too." I mean, that is not why I started dancing, but the attitude of "I realized this and eventually you will come to the same realization" is unbearably condescending and also just not true. I have a complicated relationship with stripping. I mean, overall I can't wait to quit, but not everything about it has been bad.

Budai
07-06-2008, 10:25 PM
In high school i didn't realize what was happening all the time and when friends would tickle my neck, or whisper in my ears it could be a weird situation! But yes, now that i understand what's going on it's great!

^ Are you familiar with Erykah Badu's song, "Kiss Me On My Neck"?

madmaxine
07-06-2008, 10:25 PM
This whole thread reminded me of one of the cooler porn intros I ever saw- a Mongolian porn star was talking to the cameraman via interpreter & he was going on and on about sex, using crude language. Because she didn't speak English and she wasn't ashamed of herself, she has this look on her face through the whole segment that's like "Duh, you stupid man." I'll have to look for that clip again (I didn't watch all of it, I just found it entertaining- she reminded me of this Korean hooker I knew on Guam.)

LadyLuck
07-06-2008, 10:29 PM
I would agree that porn has tended to glamorize female humiliation and has embraced misogyny and male dominance and undermined female pleasure.

I agree about that too. And because so many other women feel the same there is now a genre of chic friendly porn with pretty clothes and even half decent acting in it as well. I know it's a small niche but it's an example of "girl power" - even in porn!

Darcy Foxx
07-06-2008, 10:32 PM
i fucking love facials. like i seriously fucking love them. they are one of my favourite things to do in the bedroom. facials are fucking HOT.

and that is all i have to say.

saphire123456
07-06-2008, 10:33 PM
A lot of writers have said that, or something similar... but they are critical of that as well. They aren't saying "those subhuman porn stars should be treated, and by extension talked about, like trash and we should all revel in our superior human status."

I would agree that porn has tended to glamorize female humiliation and has embraced misogyny and male dominance and undermined female pleasure. I don't know that means that I'm being humiliated or "consensually raped" when a guy comes on my face; moreover I don't think the remedy is to demonize porn actresses or declare them to be subhuman, or asserting a morality scale on which they are at the bottom. That thinking reinforces what Wolf was concerned about, it doesn't repair it. Also consider - the fact that you realize things about yourself and your own history doesn't really give you standing or position to realize things about everyone's history. I mean, you wouldn't much like it if I said "I realize that I started dancing to empower my own sexuality, and you just don't realize yet that you did too." I mean, that is not why I started dancing, but the attitude of "I realized this and eventually you will come to the same realization" is unbearably condescending and also just not true. I have a complicated relationship with stripping. I mean, overall I can't wait to quit, but not everything about it has been bad.

Absolutely. I'm sorry you feel this way, Viola, but I choose to strip. And yes I have a college education, and I could make similar money doing smthg else.(A lot more hours though) I think its rather presumptious of you to pity the poor souls of those of us who "don't consciously acknowledge they are unwilling".. So I guess that would also make me less "mature" and "greedy"...oy vey

CKXXX
07-06-2008, 10:33 PM
^ god forbid a conversation branches out.
god forbid we keep the thread clean AS ASKED.

Budai
07-06-2008, 10:40 PM
This whole thread reminded me of one of the cooler porn intros I ever saw- a Mongolian porn star was talking to the cameraman via interpreter & he was going on and on about sex, using crude language. Because she didn't speak English and she wasn't ashamed of herself, she has this look on her face through the whole segment that's like "Duh, you stupid man."

You've triggered a memory, MM...

^ I carpooled about 200 miles in heavy L.A./O.C. County traffic with porn actress/director Vanessa Blue a couple of years ago. She told me that she really enjoyed performing/shooting in Europe with guys who didn't speak any English at all "because it kept the sex pure."

At the time, Vanessa had recently done her first DP with 2 Eurostuds who didn't speak any English. After sucking and stroking those guys to completion for the money shot facial, she started bopping their dicks together and singing "You guys are gaaay! You guys are gaaay!" It amused her immensely that they had no clue about what she was singing...

madmaxine
07-06-2008, 10:57 PM
You've triggered a memory, MM...

^ I carpooled about 200 miles in heavy L.A./O.C. County traffic with porn actress/director Vanessa Blue a couple of years ago. She told me that she really enjoyed performing/shooting in Europe with guys who didn't speak any English at all "because it kept the sex pure."

At the time, Vanessa had recently done her first DP with 2 Eurostuds who didn't speak any English. After sucking and stroking those guys to completion for the money shot facial, she started bopping their dicks together and singing "You guys are gaaay! You guys are gaaay!" It amused her immensely that they had no clue about what she was singing...

;D Yep, & come to think of it....I have had great sex with foreign-born men because they were raised in places where sex wasn't freighted with shame and awkwardness. (& Every Eastern European man has been sooooo rough in bed....Soviet Sex will CRUUUUUUSH you. :P )

SnakeBabe
07-06-2008, 10:59 PM
uh i like facials.....

Me too ;D

Perry
07-06-2008, 11:03 PM
I'm not sure if this is OT, but some girlfriends and I have Anime Porn Mondays. It started out as just curiousity over a Japanese DVD, but then we got sucked into the crazy ass story.

Our hero must rape all the princesses to save the world!!

But the girls always sound like they're in pain - even when they're into it. I've noticed that in some real porn, too and I have to fast forward. I strongly dislike sharp, painfull yelps. Are they having sex, or getting paper cuts??

UtahMike
07-06-2008, 11:06 PM
My main complaint about porn is not the acting, but the soundtracks. I usually watch Internet porn with the sound off because the passionate moaning is never in sync with the mouth movements, and the slapping sounds are never in sync with the copulation. Also, I do not find pleasure in hearing the director/cameraman give instruction to the performer(s), especially if it is in a language I do not understand.

One thing I like about Internet porn over video porn is that you can fast forward over the parts you don't appreciate. Like if there are 25 minutes of blow job before the final three minutes of fucking, you can skip over 22 minutes of the blow job.

Pretty_Penny
07-06-2008, 11:07 PM
i've heard quite a few males (friends, in group conversations) say that they love a woman enjoying a facial because it makes them feel like she's really into sex and isn't "disgusted" by their semen. actually, in general, most men dislike feeling like they're doing something "wrong" sexually. so, it's a turn on for a lot of guys, not because they like dominating or humiliating the woman, but because it makes them feel like she's really into it.

i mean, would you say it was humiliating/dominating for a girl to cum all over a guys face while he's going down on her? or that the guy is subjecting himself to trauma if he likes it because he's been "conditioned" to?

i'm sure that there ARE men who do it because THEY think it's humiliating/dominating.... but i don't think they are the majority.

that being said, i'm -personally- not into facials. i kinda wish i was, but it's impossible. :(

PaigeDWinter
07-06-2008, 11:08 PM
I own too many porn soundtracks. Half of the stock, when I used to work retail, had soundtracks with it on CD.

Nothing ruins smut for me like a badly dubbed porno. Grunts and moands and such when the mouths do not sync up. Ugh. That or when a loop gets over used. Wait, I just saw that same tit squeeze three times!

UtahMike
07-06-2008, 11:13 PM
IRL, most guys prefer to cum deep in the vagina, the mouth, or maybe the anus. It feels better. The only guys who pull out are practicing a rather inferior type of birth control.

But in a porn movie, they have to show the ejaculation so you can see that it was not faked. So the guy pulls out and cums on the tummy. And hey, the face is prettier than the tummy, so now we'll do a facial. Then she can lick her lips, too, to show she likes the taste. All very sexy to watch.

However, if I was with a lovely lady who wanted me to cum on her face, I would do it for her pleasure. No problem at all.

jaizaine
07-06-2008, 11:40 PM
I think most of us would flip burgers or make coffee or work at an office if it was the same money, had the same flexibility, and required no training. I think we all justify it because it makes us sleep better at night and less ashamed/guilty.



Personally I would not want to do either of those jobs even for the same money and flexibility because the activity itself - flipping burgers, making coffee would be monotomous and boring.

I like the fact that men drool over my body and are willing to pay ridiculous amounts of $$$$ to see me naked, L love being in an environment where women are naked it's fun and taboo, I also love many of the other girls I work with and have a great time laughing with them, I love dressing up, putting on lots of make-up and being naked in front of strangers.

I do sympathise with your view tho because I realise after reading the extras thread that my experiences with stripping are vastly different than some of you girls on this board. I absolutely would not enjoy stripping in a high mileage club.

PaigeDWinter
07-07-2008, 12:01 AM
Not going to touch the rest of this thread with a ten... :-X. OK, even finishing that sentence makes a bad pun, but you get the idea.

On to your question...

Skye Blue was fairly major for quite some time. For a while she primarily made big bust, girl/girl, dom/sub videos with Summer Cummings, who was supposed to be her real-life partner at the time (can't recall if I ever saw that on a reliable source). I know they broke up both professionally and personally a few years back - not sure what's happened since then. Generally Summer (the sub) appeared with black hair, and Skye (the dom) was a blond. I managed to find some pics of Summer where it's clear she has brown eyes. Skye's pics on her MySpace page (http://www.myspace.com/skyeblueplatinumblue) are more difficult to tell - they look very pale, either blue or grayish. I'm pretty sure she's the one you're thinking of.

Met her a few times. Wrong chick. The one I mean is probably in her mid 20s now. She at least looks very young. She did GND and teen porn.

fancygirl
07-07-2008, 01:35 AM
really takes cock by a storm

^ been added to my t-shirt list.


I kind of think that when one decides to enter into the world of porn or the sex industry in general as a performer or a viewer that one should leave the "shame" for oneself or shaming of others out of it. As soon as one decides to take one's clothes off and perform sex acts for money, the differences in reality are mildly incremental. Like, I don't see why some sex workers should look down on others. It seems like the world as far as that goes is basically divided between those who are willing to accept the sex industry in all its nuances, and those who look down on it and find it shameful. I would find being somewhere in between difficult to navigate intellectually.

Hi-five, SteveLikesStrippers! For a guy who only has two posts to his name (are you sure you haven't posted here before? -suspicious look-) that was definitely bonus points for not going through the normal douche growing pains. And I mean that as a sincere compliment!


Curious and please feel free to tell me to mind my own biz if you want but I have always wondered if the turn on with getting a facial is mostly about being happy/hot that the guy enjoys doing it so much?

It's not that I am a prude but just been married a long time and we do what we do and like it but a facial has never been part of it the deal. We have different kinks :)

hmmm, I wouldn't say I'm a fan of getting it in the face only because I'm like, "avoid the nostrils! avoid the eyes!" but I do love watching a guy come on my various body parts-- mostly because it's hot watching him cum, and the actual losing of control....just hot!

and I've watched very little porn actually-- I found this hot when I was seventeen and went down on a guy and he came while I was playing with his balls. I thought it was really hot how he had cum on himself and had fun cleaning him up with my mouth--

so, it's not debasing in my mind (at least when it comes to my sex life. I can see where an argument could be made for SOME porn being in demand because it is debasing.)

In the end, "facials" just aren't my thing regularly not because I think they're debasing, but because I'm worried about snorting semen or having it sting my eyes.

my eeeeyyyyeeess! ooooohhh nooooosss! mmyyy eeeyyyyeeess!!

and I just had to laugh at the part about fem porn with "pretty clothes," and "soviet sex will CRUSH you" and the porn actress singing "you guys are gay! you guys are gay!" while making them sword fight. hilarious. damn-- I wish I hadn't missed all the drama, but the rest is pretty good too.

Flick6
07-07-2008, 02:01 AM
Viola Strings I highly recommend you read some of Nancy Fridays work, I reckon it would be enlightening for you. A psychologist who has interviewed hundred of men and women regarding sex and fantasies and written some great books on it. Gives glimpses into why people are into things that are not obviously sexually satisfying... (like cock going into vagina and rubbing clit...)

fancygirl
07-07-2008, 02:04 AM
after reading everything, I would absolutely be okay with facials if I had goggles. Seriously-- make me Tank Girl and I won't even require nose plugs.

Emily
07-07-2008, 08:56 AM
after reading everything, I would absolutely be okay with facials if I had goggles. Seriously-- make me Tank Girl and I won't even require nose plugs.

what about the hair?

Lexi
07-07-2008, 09:17 AM
I think the hypocrisy in this thread is unbelievable!

Budai
07-07-2008, 10:35 AM
^ "Hypocrisy is the essence of snobbery, but all snobbery is about the problem of belonging."

- Alexander Theroux

i.breathe.in
07-07-2008, 10:52 AM
I think the hypocrisy in this thread is unbelievable!

seriously!

Andygirl
07-07-2008, 11:34 AM
Is this really just about tits and roots? The prospect of anal prolapse aside, Belladona's still a young woman named Michelle IRL who made some choices and discusses them openly...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBtLst3espU


That interview makes me sad. Some of those scenes were beyond brutal. And if she was acting and really wasn't in pain, she deserves an Oscar. To each his/her own, but I can't imagine getting off to something that is a few shades away from rape. She seems like an emotionally disturbed young woman, and only getting better at covering up her true emotions, not actually healing and getting over the past in a real way. Sad.

Chrissy68
07-07-2008, 12:36 PM
^ god forbid a conversation branches out.

i thought as of 10:30 pm ish last night you were done with SW? you just keep on posting and posting... if you're "done" stand behind it. don't just be a drama llama.