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kitty69
07-10-2008, 12:09 PM
I was on Prozac after the birth of my 2nd daughter, and again after a very traumatic accident (5 years ago). I have never taken any drugs prescription or otherwise since starting dancing. I think there are many more people who are on prescription drugs than you may realize in the general public. Especially if you take into consideration that according to some UK statistics 1 in 4 people suffer from some form of mental illness.

Maybe we are just more open on forums and use the anonymity of the internet to admit to such things?

Golden_Rule
07-14-2008, 12:32 AM
You are not posting facts here GR, you are stating your opinions. YOU make it about you before we do.

If you read the thread you will not that I make it very clear that I am asking a question, have no facts [all I mention is that I have heard enough about it of late to make me curious], and am looking for opinions and any imperical data of relevence anyone else might have.

I make a decided effort to mark facts as facts, giving cites when necessary, and opinion as opinion. All I ask is that others do the same when speaking about me. It is my opinion that it isn't a lot to ask.



. You post, I read. How I interpret your posts is my business, not yours.

No one is calling you names her GR, we are disagreeing with you. You are entitled to express your opinion but I get to do it as well.

And I hope you know I have not now, nor never had, anything at all against you [Jenny either for that matter].

I'd simply ask you to consider that there is a distinct difference between the statements: "You are a biased person.", and, "It is my opinion that you are a biased person." One holds itself out to be absolute, the other suggests the assumptions of an individual based on their specific belief.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. State it as such and I'll have quite a bit less to say about it.

Thanks.

Golden_Rule
07-14-2008, 12:51 AM
Like PrettyCurlieQ, I can't choose either option. I've Never been prescribed drugs for anxiety, depression or whatever. I did take Welbutrin for three months but it was to quit my 2 pack a day cig habbit but I don't think that's whar GR is talking about.

I guess what I am driving at, besides the already stated, is if dancers are taking these drugs why do they feel so free to speak of it among people they know.

Most folks I know outside of my strip-club and private party circles are rather quiet about the medications they take.

And a side note to Tempest [placed here because I am really trying to cut back on long strings of replies]: I wasn't ignoring your quote about the CDC. I've heard on the news and my readings that mood altering meds are the most commonly prescribed drugs in the US. I just didn't think that directly pertained [indirectly, most certainly] to the subset I was defining [ie, dancers]. And that isn't because we are speaking of dancers. If I was talking cops, lawyers, bankers, doctors, etc, I wouldn't think stats for the entire population would directly apply. Again, indirectly yes.

Golden_Rule
07-14-2008, 12:54 AM
Maybe we are just more open on forums and use the anonymity of the internet to admit to such things?

OK.

Due recall though that it was only on S_W in part. I also mentioned hearing in the clubs from dancers I am well acquainted with and the dancers who work for me at the private parties.

yoda57us
07-14-2008, 04:08 AM
If you read the thread you will not that I make it very clear that I am asking a question, have no facts [all I mention is that I have heard enough about it of late to make me curious], and am looking for opinions and any imperical data of relevence anyone else might have.

Right you are, you asked a question. It is my OPINION that you phrased the two response options in a biased way. I never said that your "facts" were wrong did I?


I make a decided effort to mark facts as facts, giving cites when necessary, and opinion as opinion. All I ask is that others do the same when speaking about me. It is my opinion that it isn't a lot to ask.

Dude, unless I say something is a fact it is, in fact, an opinion. If you want to play semantics games with my posts simply to give yourself something to else to argue about that's your business. I'm not going to change the way I write to suit your needs. You can always just put me on ignore...


And I hope you know I have not now, nor never had, anything at all against you [Jenny either for that matter].

Well, I wasn't losing any sleep over it but thanks GR. I have nothing against you either. I don't KNOW you. I respond to posts from other posters. That's what we all do. When I log off from stripperweb I leave all of this stimulating conversation behind and pretty much out of my head until the next time I log on. Despite your implication on a previous post I don't while away the hours wondering if GR is thinking about me...

I think one needs a relatively thick skin to participate in many internet forums. Anyone who takes these boards personally doesn't really belong on them.


I'd simply ask you to consider that there is a distinct difference between the statements: "You are a biased person.", and, "It is my opinion that you are a biased person." One holds itself out to be absolute, the other suggests the assumptions of an individual based on their specific belief.

No there isn't GR. It is implied by the fact that we are two strangers posting on the internet who have never met that anything I say about you or anyone else is my opinion. The words are coming out of my brain. Others may read those words and either agree with me or disagree. That doesn't mean that I am trying to pass myself of as an authority on your thought process. It is simply my opinion.


Everyone is entitled to an opinion. State it as such and I'll have quite a bit less to say about it.

Thanks.

How much you have to say is your business GR, as I said, I am not going to change my writing style to fit your idea of what is right or wrong. After all, it is only your opinion.

TheTempest
07-14-2008, 10:33 AM
I guess what I am driving at, besides the already stated, is if dancers are taking these drugs why do they feel so free to speak of it among people they know.

Most folks I know outside of my strip-club and private party circles are rather quiet about the medications they take.

And a side note to Tempest [placed here because I am really trying to cut back on long strings of replies]: I wasn't ignoring your quote about the CDC. I've heard on the news and my readings that mood altering meds are the most commonly prescribed drugs in the US. I just didn't think that directly pertained [indirectly, most certainly] to the subset I was defining [ie, dancers]. And that isn't because we are speaking of dancers. If I was talking cops, lawyers, bankers, doctors, etc, I wouldn't think stats for the entire population would directly apply. Again, indirectly yes.


So you're just ignoring the facts and saying that dancers are more likely to be on these drugs? WTH is wrong with you? The drugs are the most prescribed in the US meaning that EVERYONE is more likely to be on them - not just dancers.

It DOES directly apply to what we're talking about. You want us to say that the subset are more likely to be on anti-depressants when it just isn't true.

Plus, your poll is most certainly biased towards your opinion because there is no "Neither" option. It's basically saying "Dancers are more likely to be on drugs. Is it because their dancers or are they dancers because they're on drugs?"

Golden_Rule
07-15-2008, 01:48 AM
So you're just ignoring the facts and saying that dancers are more likely to be on these drugs?

You just put those words in my keyboard.

I didn't say anything of the sort. I asked a question.

The only thing I did say is that those who do take them seem to feel freer about admitting it.

TheTempest
07-15-2008, 11:56 AM
^That's right, you used the word "seem". It doesn't seem like that, it just seems like people feel comfortable talking about on the pink side because it's a place they won't be judged for doing so. But it's not that more women in the industry are on these drugs, it is the fact that more people in the U.S. are on these medications. And when you consider, as someone mentioned before, that most dancers don't have medical insurance, they are LESS likely to be on these drugs.

"It would seem to suggest that more women in the strip-club industry are using these drugs than in the average female population."

Golden_Rule
07-15-2008, 08:49 PM
^That's right, you used the word "seem". It doesn't seem like that, it just seems like people feel comfortable talking about on the pink side because it's a place they won't be judged for doing so.

Could you allow me to remind you, politely, that I said it wasn't just here on SW but also within the small circle of some 200 dancers I have contact with regularly because of their working at our private parties. Add to that the dancers who actually are friends of mine.

I can understand why you say they would be freer on SW. It is, basically, anonymous after all. I can understand dancers I am friendly with telling me, since we are friendly and share tiny tidbits of personal info. But why would folks drop stuff like that, out of the blue as it were, on someone no closer to them than you would be to someone who rents you a place to do your work? Seems a might personal for that kind of relationship.

Like I said, I only asked about it because I've heard about it so much of late [and again, not simply here on SW]


"It would seem to suggest that more women in the strip-club industry are using these drugs than in the average female population."

Yeah. When you hear more about it from one segment of folks than you do from others anyone's first inclination is to wonder if they might not be using them more than other groups. After all, they are the ones talking about it.

You can't see why I might be curious, and why I might think this would be a good place to ask? I mean to say that if I thought I was going to get a straight answer anywhere I figured this was the best shot. And in some ways I was correct about that. Aside from this running dialog about why I would ask in the first place, and defending my intellectual integrity once again [geeze I get tired of having to do that] I did get several thoughtful answers about what might be what with this. Including some comments by yourself.

xdamage
07-16-2008, 08:45 AM
It does seem that people are increasingly likely to talk about their use of mental health drugs. Arguably this is a GOOD thing. There has long been a great deal of taboo associated with these drugs, which are not shared by the likes of drugs to control insulin levels, thyroid levels, other enzymes, etc.

I guess it could be that dancers are somewhat more inclined to talk about this then the average person.

I suppose there could be a correlation between mental health, indirectly the use of some of these drugs to correct mental health issues, and some types of jobs. I know PC - NOT! But suppose for example that we found people with ADHD were less likely to be found in jobs requiring a great deal of mental concentration, such as accounting. Nobody would scoff at that possibility because it seems plausible. So I suppose it's possible that jobs and mental health can be correlated if someone really wanted to take the time to do the studies.

Perry
07-17-2008, 01:56 AM
GR, you would get better results if you didn't pigeonhole an entire industry.

You asked, exactly,
Regarding only women who use prescription drugs that alter brain chemistry is it:
The use of the drugs and then becoming a dancer?
Becoming a dancer and then the use of the drugs?

You didn't give an option for taking meds after dancing, and we have a good amount of retired dancers here. Or, the all important NEVER option. I mean, damn! This poll is too narrow to be even remotely related to the perscription of mood altering drugs. Do you even know what disorders they treat? Or what triggers a doctor to perscribe them? Is there a reason you didn't give more options, or even specific drug names?

Essentially, MAYBE without meaning to, you asked,"Were you fucked up before, or after you started dancing?"

I say that because your only prompt to why a woman would be given brain chemistry altering treatment is because of dancing. Nothing diagnosed in adolesence, due to a stressful period in life, childbrith, or trama. Just dancing.

I was put on Xanax when I was 16 - long before I started to dance, but I couldn't bring myself to answer your poll because it really had nothing to do with dancing! My folks had a nasty divorce. It in no way effected my career as a stripper.

Golden_Rule
07-18-2008, 12:34 AM
GR, you would get better results if you didn't pigeonhole an entire industry.

You asked, exactly,
Regarding only women who use prescription drugs that alter brain chemistry is it:
The use of the drugs and then becoming a dancer?
Becoming a dancer and then the use of the drugs?

You didn't give an option for taking meds after dancing, and we have a good amount of retired dancers here. Or, the all important NEVER option.

Regarding ONLY women who use prescription drugs...

I was asking the dancers who use them. How could their be a never option if the folks being asked are the ones using the drugs.

[geeze, people really don't read] ::)


I mean, damn! This poll is too narrow to be even remotely related to the perscription of mood altering drugs.

Forgive me but what seems narrow was the mind set you brought into the conversation. You immediately cast a negative connotation where none is intended. You didn't even read the question right.

It is OK. You weren't the only one. :)


Essentially, MAYBE without meaning to, you asked,"Were you fucked up before, or after you started dancing?"

Pardon me, sincerely, but I promise that wasn't what I was asking, intentionally or otherwise. If you read the rest of the thread I think you will see what I was driving at.

What I was after knowing more about is if there is a particular reason I seem to be hearing A LOT about this from dancers of late. So it left me wondering if there was some sort of correlation. Someone [I am sorry I forgot who] gave a thoughtful answer and said it might just be that dancers feel freer to talk about it than other people. That is where the convo has shifted since. About why dancers might feel freer than others to talk about such things.


I was put on Xanax when I was 16 - long before I started to dance, but I couldn't bring myself to answer your poll because it really had nothing to do with dancing! My folks had a nasty divorce. It in no way effected my career as a stripper.

I am sorry to hear about that. My old man up and left us when I was 13. Probably did us a favor. Perhaps it is the difference in our generations and how we handled such things then but I was prescribed nothing, though I was the oldest and worked a full time job [superintendent of a 24 unit apartment building, since I was that age]. While it was rough growing up over night and becoming a bread winner I am thankful for that actually. It truly toughened me up and as others have pointed out these meds are probably over prescribed.

I wish you nothing but the best.

Perry
07-18-2008, 01:24 PM
Meh, fine I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and throw in what I think. I've had 3 years of psychology class, and my professors taught us the leading prescriber of anti-depressants are the OBGYNs. Gynaecologist.

Essentially, women trust their doctors and confide in them. Whether or not they need medication, there is a pill for everything. And since most people only see their doctor a few times per year, it's a quick, albe it sometimes irresponsible fix.

Over medication, and MDs giving perscriptions without proper survailance and other treatments is a growing problem in our society.

The highest percent of the population on anti-depressants are female. The highest percent of strippers are female. IMO, that's your correlatation.

xdamage
07-18-2008, 03:33 PM
Meh, fine I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and throw in what I think. I've had 3 years of psychology class, and my professors taught us the leading prescriber of anti-depressants are the OBGYNs. Gynaecologist.

Essentially, women trust their doctors and confide in them. Whether or not they need medication, there is a pill for everything. And since most people only see their doctor a few times per year, it's a quick, albe it sometimes irresponsible fix.

Over medication, and MDs giving perscriptions without proper survailance and other treatments is a growing problem in our society.

The highest percent of the population on anti-depressants are female. The highest percent of strippers are female. IMO, that's your correlatation.


Interesting. I could see how women are more likely to telltheir GP or ObyGyn that they are having emotional difficulty coping. Us guys, for various reasons, tend to STFU about these things. I don't know if the correlations all add up, but it's an interesting example of how loosely related things can appear to be closely related.

Perry
07-18-2008, 03:53 PM
It's just too easy. Say you're an MD and your patient just looks upset and unhappy, saying, "I can't sleep well. I'm so stressed out lately." You've got a perscription pad and an army of pills that might help. Granted, she probably needs to change her lifestyle, relax a bit, get a hobby or see a therapist. But the trend these days is hand out medication.

Every time I go to the doctor I come back with a bag full of sample zoloft/prozac/welbutrin, sleeping pills and whatever I had gone in seeking treatment for in the first place - usually with a side of pain killers for good measure. I don't NEED them - I just end up with them for being stressed/tired/cranky/sore.

It's rare doctors will say, "Take 2 asprin and call me in the morning." Or just get some rest, or even some counseling if they think the problem is severe. They over-prescribe EVERYTHING (don't even get me started on anti biotics!) due to patients thinking a pill can cure anything.