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Lysondra
07-10-2008, 05:25 AM
Always have fun and enjoy yourself. Nobody wants a sourpuss pissy stripper.

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 07:53 AM
New Moon, what makes you think that you have more to offer than say Britney Ireland, who has been dancing for well over 5 years? Do you think you've seen more and know more than she does?

My point is not to attack you, but instead to prove that while you should contribute to threads, your knowledge is limited to what you've seen in a relatively short period of time. I don't want to fight over this, but I want you to really get what I mean.
No I don't think I know more than Britney Ireland. I don't think either that just because someone knows more than me means that they know EVERYTHING more than me and that I don't have anything to contribute.

No fighting for sure. I respect your opinion. Just want to throw mine out there too.

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 07:54 AM
I just quoted you ^^^^ Save that quote.... and if you're still dancing 1 or 2+ years from now, read it to yourself. You'll fall to the floor in chuckles.

I've been dancing for a while and I am amazed at how little I knew, how many mistakes I made, and how many things I did wrong in my first year.

Believe me, grasshopper, you've much to learn.




The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. -----Socrates

I know for sure that I have lots to learn. But there is a lot I've learned too. Read my "hustling groups" thread. I think I gave some great advice there. Just my opinion though. Nobody has to take it :)

I don't want to sound braggy, but please keep in mind that I have read tons of hustle hut, done dancer wealth, and I have read and keep reading lots of sales and influence books.

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 08:03 AM
Just a suggestion - maybe we could consider two hustle huts? One with established posters/dancers and another that is a free for all?

ColetteCalahan
07-10-2008, 08:47 AM
^ how would that be helpful? so new girls who are know-it-alls can write up threads without feeling badly or like they'll get chastised by more experienced/knowledgeable dancers? HH is to MAKE MONEY, not to be all-inclusive. And making money is best done by following the examples of those who have come before and can teach the next 'generation' of strippers.

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 08:49 AM
^ how would that be helpful? so new girls who are know-it-alls can write up threads without feeling badly or like they'll get chastised by more experienced/knowledgeable dancers? HH is to MAKE MONEY, not to be all-inclusive. And making money is best done by following the examples of those who have come before and can teach the next 'generation' of strippers.
I think it would be helpful because everyone has a different opinion of who should and who shouldn't offer advice. It's not a math, it's very subjective.

Mily
07-10-2008, 08:51 AM
^ I don't have a problem with your posts.

The thing that gets me is that SG is already filled with all the ranting threads (that's what it's there for afterall... it is Stripping General). It's just that some advanced hustlers want to come in here to study, post about their actual successful experiences/techniques, and continue to improve-- not sift through all the 'DUH' posts/threads.

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 08:54 AM
^ I don't have a problem with your posts. The thing that gets me is that SG is already filled with all the ranting threads (that's what it's there for afterall-- it is SG General). It's just that I and other advanced hustlers want to come in here to study and continue to improve-- not sift through all the 'DUH' posts/threads.
Thanks. I appreciate it. Unfortunately for me, some people do have a problem with me posting. I can understand and appreciate that women dancing for 5 years know more about hustling but I am afraid that if a rule of "1 year minimum, you must be top earner" is passed, then I won't be able to post for another 4 months :( Not only that, but I enjoy reading all women's perspectives. I don't take the advice from hustle hut blindly. I read, I consider, I test and I adjust my hustle accordingly. I don't want to lose the advice of women who have been dancing 6-12 months or who are medium earners because I still see value in it.

Sorry for the longish rant LOL :)

ColetteCalahan
07-10-2008, 08:57 AM
I think it would be helpful because everyone has a different opinion of who should and who shouldn't offer advice. It's not a math, it's very subjective.

of COUrSe it's not a science. that's ridiculous and you're putting words in my mouth. but i'd be willing to bet that the MAJORITY of dancers believe that the best hustling tips still come from those with more experience under their belts, not 4-month strippers who have a self-conferred Master of Exotic Dancing.

Mily
07-10-2008, 09:01 AM
I just edited my last post, Newmoon, LOL.

I like reading other people's perspectives as well, and I certainly don't claim to know it all. I learn from everybody here, too. But lately HH has been filled with ridiculous 'DUH' threads and other BS like that 'Top Earner's' thread which pissed a lot of people off. I've never seen HH like this, and certainly don't want it to turn into another SG section.

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 09:17 AM
of COUrSe it's not a science. that's ridiculous and you're putting words in my mouth. but i'd be willing to bet that the MAJORITY of dancers believe that the best hustling tips still come from those with more experience under their belts, not 4-month strippers who have a self-conferred Master of Exotic Dancing.

Sorry, didn't meant to put words in your mouth. I don't think I did??

I just meant that I agree that the best dancing advice comes from those more experienced, but how do we define those who are more experienced? That is where the main trouble lies, imo.

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 09:18 AM
I just edited my last post, Newmoon, LOL.

I've never seen HH like this, and certainly don't want it to turn into another SG section.
Agreed.

britt244
07-10-2008, 09:55 AM
ummmmm.... I still think that you should be a top earner before you post in here... if not the top %10 then AT LEAST the top %20 of your club otherwise your really not helping out your only hindering others with your mediocrity. Period.

see but that could even make a "top earner" vary so much.. someone in the top 10-20% in a huge club is really different than someone in that top 10-20% at a club with 10 girls a night.

princessparis
07-10-2008, 09:56 AM
(sorry i had to edit this and repost it... stupid editor isn't working)

ummmmm.... I still think that you should be a top earner before you post in here... if not the top %10 then AT LEAST the top %20 of your club otherwise your really not helping out your only hindering others with your mediocrity. Period.

If your not making the top dollars yet THEN YOU SHOULD BE ASKING WHY YOUR TECHNIQUES AREN'T TAKING YOU TO THE TOP OR IF MORE EXPERIENCED DANCERS HAVE HAD SUCCESS WITH THEM- Not telling us that they work.

Sorry new moon. You can take it personally if you want but I'm really just trying to help out the people who don't know the difference between the EXPERIENCED techniques and the techniques based on THEORY. Why do you feel the need to post so badly anyways? Humble yourself and you'll find a much better reception here in the hut I think.

There's nothing worse than a girl that walks into your club the first night and think she owns the place - To me thats what it's like if your not in the "top earners club" and you come up in here posting like you know some shit.

Ugh. No offense - just ranting. I know I'm new to SW but I'm mos def not new to dancing and I was really hoping to come in here and learn a few things but seriously %80 of it is pretty much mediocre malarkey.

I feel like I have a lot to contribute here, but I haven't danced in over 6 months so I don't even feel like I should be piping up yet and here are these girls that don't have a fraction of my experience and knowledge blabbing on about what they think they know about hustling! It's just ridiculous. But whatever - it's not MY website. I'm just thankful for all the good stuff that is buried under the crap.

Sorry if it's not my place to be saying stuff like this. I mean I don't even know what SG means... what does it mean???

dangerousdiva
07-10-2008, 10:00 AM
I hope this thread doesn't turn into a pissing contest. A lot of girls claim to be a top earner ::)

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 10:07 AM
princessparis -

No need to apologize. Like I said, I totally respect the views of the other ladies here. I've honestly had great reception with the few threads I have posted in the past. I've never been concerned with my reception here. I'm absolutely humble. I'm here to learn and I read 95% of the time, and post 5% of the time max.

I've also never really considered if I am a top earner. I get 4-5 dances per hour during the good times, and about 3 per hour during the less good times like a Tuesday night. I know that means nothing to the board because that could put me as a huge top earner in some clubs and a low earner in others. I don't pay that much attention to the other dancers at my club and I don' t ask how much people are making.

Also, I would like to add that I am not just fighting for almost everyone to be able to post because I want to post but because I value the input of others as well.

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 10:08 AM
I hope this thread doesn't turn into a pissing contest. A lot of girls claim to be a top earner ::)
I think that is an issue too. I mean, I have no idea where to place myself? I don't have enough information on what the other girls are making to know.

Emily
07-10-2008, 10:15 AM
I think that is an issue too. I mean, I have no idea where to place myself? I don't have enough information on what the other girls are making to know.

you get a sense after being here for awhile.

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 10:16 AM
you get a sense after being here for awhile.
What do you mean by "here"? At my club or stripper web?

Emily
07-10-2008, 10:16 AM
stripperweb

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 10:17 AM
Interesting.........

princessparis
07-10-2008, 10:19 AM
see but that could even make a "top earner" vary so much.. someone in the top 10-20% in a huge club is really different than someone in that top 10-20% at a club with 10 girls a night.

MmmMM... kind of. But statisticly it still transfers over for the most part. What you could mean is the hustle is different in different areas... like the hustle would be different in a little rural town than it would be in a major metropolitan city... But the club dynamic is going to still be very similar regardless because it's based on competition.

In any club there are only X amount of customers with X amount of money. Even if you were to place a girl that had a relitively easy time making money at a club with lots of guys with lots of money and you put her in a club that has not so many guys with less money... she still knows her TACTICS and will eventually be one of the top earners at the new club because she knows how to compete for a guys wallet (with his psychology and through assessing dynamics).

So even though there may be a difference I think you'd be surprised at how little the difference makes when it comes to being a top earner. There is a certain level of attainment that comes with being the top %10 of your club whether your working at a big club or a small club. Either way you've had to have better tactics and skills than %90 of the girls to get there. It really does not matter how many girls... what matters is how good THEY are.

The only ways you could reason around the percentile is 1. the difference between clubs that have a large amount of customers that have large amounts of money and clubs that have a small amount of customers that have small amounts of money and 2. Clubs that are full of girls that are REALLY good hustlers and clubs that are full of not so good hustlers.

However, I still believe that the difference is so inconsequential that as a GENERAL and "casual" rule of thumb you should really be humbled to the women that have attained the status of being in the top %10-20 in their club. I know I would.

princessparis
07-10-2008, 10:20 AM
princessparis - why did you repost? it looks weird with my reply above your post LOL

Oh my god my editor sucks and when I realize that theres a minor error my OCD kicks in and I have to change it.... and then things get poopoo

Emily
07-10-2008, 10:20 AM
she said her editor isn't working. FYI, when that happens, click "go advanced" after you're in the edit screen and you'll be able to there. It happens occasionally.

And SG is Stripping General, a subforum on here.

holiday
07-10-2008, 10:21 AM
Eh, I think the problem is that clubs are not all the same. And a lot of girls on here don't travel and don't have experience with different environments (like me). I am a top earner at my club. But my club is a small/medium club in a town with not a lot of night life, mostly locals and no champagne rooms, no hosts or all that. My wealth of hustle tips are going to be limited to that. I'm not an expert on groups, on using social capitol in a club as far as other staff members, and on and on. I also don't have stage tipping hustle tips, as I don't work in a small, blue collar, stage club where all the money is made that way.

Anyway, I only figured this out recently, when I first traveled outside of my home town to dance. Clubs everywhere are so and tips in hustle hut don't always hold true for all dancers.

I've sort of spent less time here too, I haven't seen a lot of great advice. There isn't as much posting by the members who I really look up to. Bridgette added a lot and so did Dancer Wealth. I check Chrissy's thread every week or so, that's a good one. But I still wish we had a Best of Hustle Hut thread, so we could all print it and use it as reference. If it could be edited by someone who we all respect, that'd be pretty cool. I pulled some individual things that I like to a word document and that helps me.

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 10:21 AM
Oh my god my editor sucks and when I realize that theres a minor error my OCD kicks in and I have to change it.... and then things get poopoo
Looks good now :)

britt244
07-10-2008, 10:25 AM
MmmMM... kind of. But statisticly it still transfers over for the most part. What you could mean is the hustle is different in different areas... like the hustle would be different in a little rural town than it would be in a major metropolitan city... But the club dynamic is going to still be very similar regardless because it's based on competition.

In any club there are only X amount of customers with X amount of money. Even if you were to place a girl that had a relitively easy time making money at a club with lots of guys with lots of money and you put her in a club that has not so many guys with less money... she still knows her TACTICS and will eventually be one of the top earners at the new club because she knows how to compete for a guys wallet (with his psychology and through assessing dynamics).

So even though there may be a difference I think you'd be surprised at how little the difference makes when it comes to being a top earner. There is a certain level of attainment that comes with being the top %10 of your club whether your working at a big club or a small club. Either way you've had to have better tactics and skills than %90 of the girls to get there. It really does not matter how many girls... what matters is how good THEY are.

The only ways you could reason around the percentile is 1. the difference between clubs that have a large amount of customers that have large amounts of money and clubs that have a small amount of customers that have small amounts of money and 2. Clubs that are full of girls that are REALLY good hustlers and clubs that are full of not so good hustlers.

However, I still believe that the difference is so inconsequential that as a GENERAL and "casual" rule of thumb you should really be humbled to the women that have attained the status of being in the top %10-20 in their club. I know I would.


my point was, as i said earlier in this thread, that just because you're a top earner at YOUR club does not mean you would be elsewhere. at my club i'm typically in the top 5 girls for the night. but since i only work at my club that does not necessarily mean i would be a top girl at another club. and there's no way to say since i don't DO it to know. yes, there are girls who have worked and been a top earner at many clubs. however, there are those of us out there who are top earners at OUR club and we can't say that we would be all the time. i understand what you're saying, but i don't agree that it's so cut and dry.

for example, if we took a poll of which girls are top earners at THEIR particular club, and then all those girls worked TOGETHER in a club, well, they couldnt ALL be top earners.

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 10:29 AM
Thanks for pointing that out, Britt.

princessparis
07-10-2008, 10:45 AM
Like I said in my last post tho....

"However, I still believe that the difference is so inconsequential that as a GENERAL and "casual" rule of thumb you should really be humbled to the women that have attained the status of being in the top %10-20 in their club. I know I would."

I'm sorry but if your a top earner in one club, you may not instantly be a top earner at a another club... But eventually with time you would be. Why? Because you have the street smarts, the logic, the know how, the drive to do so. If you've done it once you can do it again. I honestly believe that. But like I said before I still really think that as a GENERAL and "casual" rule of thumb you should really be humbled to the women that have attained the status of being in the top %10-20 in their club. I know I would.

I'm not saying that if your in the lower %80 that you shouldn't post... just that you should be more humbled in your approach. It's really just annoying to have people soliciting advice when they aren't experts in their field. Just like how I would rather buy a book by someone who has dedicated their life to researching the topic of the book... rather than someone who has only put in a few years of research into the topic. I'm sure the person who has done a few years of research still has something to say, but they should have the perspective that there are other people out there that have more expertise on the topic than they do... and when they don't it's rather annoying. thats all.

I was just offering the %10-20 thing as a somewhat casual idea as to who can really post here with confidence that they have expertise. Nothing that I think is set in stone... but rather a very good concept.

If your club is FULL of hustlers and they make more than you... then why not ask them what THEY are doing and pass that on to us rather than what you are doing thats not making as much as they are.... you get me?

Perry
07-10-2008, 10:47 AM
I've been dancing 2 years. But really, I have no way of knowing if I'm the top earner anymore. I used to be, but unless the club takes a cut of your dances and pays all the girls out at the same time *cough* Deja Vu *cough* how do you know? I'm not going to be that girl asking all the other dancers in the locker room "What have you made tonight? How many dances did you sell?"

I posted a thread called New Girl Money (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118440) awhile back - not that I'm new, just that I switched clubs and banked my first few days. I think it had some good tips in it, if nothing else it's a fresh angle. I've posted a Zen (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111815) thread as well. I try to keep things positive and offer fun, honest techniques when I find ones that have worked for me. But I've only been at this for 2 years, and I dunno if I'm a top earner. It's likely that I'm not these days, but I'm a clean dancer in a high milage club. So, if my threads were unwelcome, then I'm sorry.

ColetteCalahan
07-10-2008, 10:49 AM
We get to look at the tip out sheets & number of dances at the end of the night. Helps to keep tabs on how you're doing in comparison to everyone else.

britt244
07-10-2008, 10:51 AM
Like I said in my last post tho....

"However, I still believe that the difference is so inconsequential that as a GENERAL and "casual" rule of thumb you should really be humbled to the women that have attained the status of being in the top %10-20 in their club. I know I would."

I'm sorry but if your a top earner in one club, you may not instantly be a top earner at a another club... But eventually with time you would be. Why? Because you have the street smarts, the logic, the know how, the drive to do so. If you've done it once you can do it again. I honestly believe that. But like I said before I still really think that as a GENERAL and "casual" rule of thumb you should really be humbled to the women that have attained the status of being in the top %10-20 in their club. I know I would.

I'm not saying that if your in the lower %80 that you shouldn't post... just that you should be more humbled in your approach. It's really just annoying to have people soliciting advice when they aren't experts in their field. Just like how I would rather buy a book by someone who has dedicated their life to researching the topic of the book... rather than someone who has only put in a few years of research into the topic. I'm sure the person who has done a few years of research still has something to say, but they should have the perspective that there are other people out there that have more expertise on the topic than they do... and when they don't it's rather annoying. thats all.

I was just offering the %10-20 thing as a somewhat casual idea as to who can really post here with confidence that they have expertise. Nothing that I think is set in stone... but rather a very good concept.

If your club is FULL of hustlers and they make more than you... then why not ask them what THEY are doing and pass that on to us rather than what you are doing thats not making as much as they are.... you get me?

i hope that your "you" is a general "you" and not directed towards me. have i disagreed that its annoying for new girls to be posting their "omg do NOT do this"? noo. in fact, i said it before you did in this thread. all i'm disagreeing with is the fact that if you are a top earner at your club, you can be one anywhere.

another example - you dont need skill to be a top earner. there is a girl at my club that's a top earner and it's because she ANNOYS THE HELL out of the guys til they say yes. she does NOT give up. she will ask a guy 8 times til he gets sick of her asking and just goes with her.

whatever, like DD said, i'm not turning this into a pissing contest. as i said, poll the girls here, find out who is a top earner at THEIR club, and then ask yourself if it is POSSIBLE for all of those girls to be at the top if they all worked together.

princessparis
07-10-2008, 11:02 AM
lol, i think thats the hard part... knowing how much other girls are making : ) I remember a few years back thinking that I was doing alright (it had been a 500 night) when I saw my boss cashing a few girls out for like over a grand for the champagne they had sold. lol they looked at me like "girl you have no idea how to hustle" and they drove off in their beamers.... that had been after 2 years of dancing! I was very humbled that night.... lol... i've had a few nights like that since then too! And even though at my last club I was able to cheat and look at the drink and dance list at the end of the night while cashing out I've still had a few humbling experiences (wow she made WHAT tonight???) Even though I was usually one of the top %20 of girls... some nights I wasn't. Some WEEKS I wasn't... especially when I got pregnant. (BTW my son's name is Zen ;D ^^^)

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I agree that it's really hard to draw the line. I just wish there were a magic stripper fairy that could answer all our questions for us.

I think thats whats really important to though... to just continue asking questions. You can always keep learning no matter how advanced you are right? Thats the way I see it at least. Sorry if i made it seem like posting in here should be so super exclusive.

Maybe SW could consider having girls put how long they've been dancing for next to their pictures so we can have perspective on how much experience they have when we read their posts..... just an idea i'm throwing out there.....

princessparis
07-10-2008, 11:09 AM
i hope that your "you" is a general "you" and not directed towards me. have i disagreed that its annoying for new girls to be posting their "omg do NOT do this"? noo. in fact, i said it before you did in this thread. all i'm disagreeing with is the fact that if you are a top earner at your club, you can be one anywhere.

another example - you dont need skill to be a top earner. there is a girl at my club that's a top earner and it's because she ANNOYS THE HELL out of the guys til they say yes. she does NOT give up. she will ask a guy 8 times til he gets sick of her asking and just goes with her.

whatever, like DD said, i'm not turning this into a pissing contest. as i said, poll the girls here, find out who is a top earner at THEIR club, and then ask yourself if it is POSSIBLE for all of those girls to be at the top if they all worked together.

It wasn't directed toward one person in particular rather to everyone as a whole.

And hey... if all the top earners worked together then they should do what i said before... ask the girls who are the top earners out of all of them what THEY are doing thats bringing more money than they are.

And hey just cause she annoys the hell out of guys to make money doesn't mean she doesn't have some kind of skill... in fact she's definitely got one.... the skill of annoying the hell out of guys until they give her money! I sure as hell couldn't do that! And hey... if it works it works right? thats the point of HH... to learn how to make money... maybe we could actually learn something from her... I mean if she's making money theres got to be SOMETHING to it! I by all means am not condoning irritating customers I'm merely making a point that just because you don't have to be intelligent to perform a skill it doesn't mean that it's not a skill.

princessparis
07-10-2008, 11:16 AM
Looks good now :)

Hey thanks it worked ;D

Chrissy68
07-10-2008, 02:48 PM
NewMoon... Deep breath chica. Take a step back. No one is passing a rule. We are not a community who will pass a rule and make you hold to it, even if we could do so.

Just step back and see how frustrating it is to those dancers who have been dancing for years, not months, to sift through the crap that someone who has only been dancing a few months/weeks/days keeps posting — and I'm not saying that to you directly, but instead as a general example. That "Top Earners" thread pissed off a lot of people because there's a TOOOONNN of horrible advice in there. a TON. No make that A SHITTON. So, realize that this is bigger than just you, and maybe realize that your opinion has been heard, and arguing it even more is gonna turn more folks against you/r opinion.

No one doubted that you might have advice to give, but realize that it's not the end all be all as far as advice goes, and maybe you should read more than posting, since you are still a newbie in the grand scheme of this job.

I'm done trying to get through to you, if this post doesn't work, nothing will.

NewMoon
07-10-2008, 02:53 PM
NewMoon... Deep breath chica. Take a step back. No one is passing a rule. We are not a community who will pass a rule and make you hold to it, even if we could do so.

Just step back and see how frustrating it is to those dancers who have been dancing for years, not months, to sift through the crap that someone who has only been dancing a few months/weeks/days keeps posting — and I'm not saying that to you directly, but instead as a general example. That "Top Earners" thread pissed off a lot of people because there's a TOOOONNN of horrible advice in there. a TON. No make that A SHITTON. So, realize that this is bigger than just you, and maybe realize that your opinion has been heard, and arguing it even more is gonna turn more folks against you/r opinion.

No one doubted that you might have advice to give, but realize that it's not the end all be all as far as advice goes, and maybe you should read more than posting, since you are still a newbie in the grand scheme of this job.

I'm done trying to get through to you, if this post doesn't work, nothing will.

I totally appreciate the frustation. Please don't think for a moment that I am happy with the current state of hustle hut. I was just arguing that making such a rule and enforcing it was not the way to go. That's it.

I really do read A TON. I've read a lot of sales and influence books and I read hustle hut all the time. Trust me, I'm not just sitting here posting. I've been very serious about my dancing since day 1. As I said above, I read at least 95% of the time I am in here. I'm too selfish to want to come here just to give tons of advice. I'm here to learn how to maximize my income.

I know it seems insane that I am arguing this hard. I was an admin on a board with around 200,000 members for 4 years and we constantly debated stuff like this so I'm just used to it. Don't mind me :)

Sophia_Starina
07-11-2008, 02:55 AM
Oh bleh.... :yuck:

VegasPrincess
07-11-2008, 03:34 AM
I am! Hey there!

I think "crap wages" has changed - either because bad wages have become worse, or because people are more ready to admit it. a few years ago $300 was crap; I remember defending the sad little $300 crap earners, saying that they still had a right to be dancers. Now, girls seem to think that is doing alright. It's like inflation, but the opposite.

I don't think you can compare apples to oarnges as far as wages go. For instance, I have danced for well...quite a long time as you all know. When I worked at Spearmint in Vegas, yes, I was consistently making between 600-1000 a night with bad nights mixed in. Now that I am in Milwaukee, and I work at the biggest club here, I do average about 250-400 a night. Now, I am the same person, same hustle and if I hopped on a plane tommorow I would be making that again. I find it REALLY offensive to say "oh sad little three hundred dollar a night earners." I mean, WTF? I work in a club with an average of 60 girls a night. That is DOUBLE what most girls in my club average. DOUBLE. And I'm sorry, I will be fucked if I hadn't known a stripper in Las Vegas on the best shift at Spearmint who OFTEN had a 300 dollar night. I know I did. And I'm also the only girl I know who CONSISTENTLY kept customers in VIP for over 4 hours. Oh yes, yes I did. Sadly, I don't work in that marketplace anymore. So....yeah. That set my blood a boiling a bit.

Sophia_Starina
07-11-2008, 04:06 AM
I had a $300 night tonight. I must be a horrible human being....

Lysondra
07-11-2008, 05:36 AM
I don't necessarially equate high earner to how much someone has earned in a club. I've seen girls make less than I do but had it all the fuck together investment-wise it just floored me. Of course this is Hustle Hut and we want people who are good at the job.

But I want Lena, 'cause I like a girl that is happy being mediocre. Hahahaha. :lol:

she sells sanctuary
07-11-2008, 08:14 AM
i think we should have some way of distinguishing between various levels of advice on here. a newbie trying advanced hustling strategies before she's mastered the basics just comes off like she's read a manual and would have better luck and make better money if she just acted like a regular newbie. i know that when i first started dancing, this forum probably hurt my income, really...and there was some great advice on here then too, i just wasn't ready for it.

maybe some stickies would be good. a basics sticky. an intermediate sticky. and an advanced sticky. don't give advice in one till you've mastered what comes before.



also earnings don't necessarily reflect on knowledge. they reflect on application of knowledge, though. when i'm in the mood, i make great money (not top earner, though, i admit). when i'm not in the mood, i might not make house. my knowledge stays the same. plenty of people can see what works and not be able to do it. maybe we should start distinguishing between "advice" and "ideas worth trying". or maybe not.

shakti
07-11-2008, 12:49 PM
I am a top earner at my club. But my club is a small/medium club in a town with not a lot of night life, mostly locals and no champagne rooms, no hosts or all that. My wealth of hustle tips are going to be limited to that. I'm not an expert on groups, on using social capitol in a club as far as other staff members, and on and on. I also don't have stage tipping hustle tips, as I don't work in a small, blue collar, stage club where all the money is made that way.

Same here. That's why the numbers don't always matter. We have $10 dances here, it's just not going to add up to what you can get from hours in a sky box. But the basic information still applies, and I like hearing all the different ways clubs are run. I think the ridiculous advice is pretty easy to weed out. But I agree, I do miss more of the quality stuff, it's so helpful.

I think years of experience doesn't always apply either. I've seen optimistic/energetic newbies run circles around bitter vets, just as I've seen awkward/arrogant newbies pale in comparison to experienced hustlers.

Chrissy68
07-11-2008, 03:20 PM
I don't think you can compare apples to oarnges as far as wages go. For instance, I have danced for well...quite a long time as you all know. When I worked at Spearmint in Vegas, yes, I was consistently making between 600-1000 a night with bad nights mixed in. Now that I am in Milwaukee, and I work at the biggest club here, I do average about 250-400 a night. Now, I am the same person, same hustle and if I hopped on a plane tommorow I would be making that again. I find it REALLY offensive to say "oh sad little three hundred dollar a night earners." I mean, WTF? I work in a club with an average of 60 girls a night. That is DOUBLE what most girls in my club average. DOUBLE. And I'm sorry, I will be fucked if I hadn't known a stripper in Las Vegas on the best shift at Spearmint who OFTEN had a 300 dollar night. I know I did. And I'm also the only girl I know who CONSISTENTLY kept customers in VIP for over 4 hours. Oh yes, yes I did. Sadly, I don't work in that marketplace anymore. So....yeah. That set my blood a boiling a bit.

I believe Jenny was making a point, using a tongue in cheek phrasing to drive the point home, along with some good old fashioned sarcasm, considering she's stated that she is in that 250-400 earning range.

*sigh*

Can't folks read carefully instead of skimming and flipping out? Just for one month, I want that out of SW, however unrealistic of a hope that might be...

cutey5032
07-12-2008, 02:01 AM
Everyone, please read this! This is one of my main issues. DO NOT post in HH about how to hustle, when you ass is constantly in SG bitching about, "I only made $30" That's what's killing me! The girls who aren't making shit, are the ones who wanna give advice. That's some backwards shit.


I just want to say I totally agree! This happens in real life too....I hate hearing girls giving out advice and then bitching how they made $40 on a busy Friday night.




another example - you dont need skill to be a top earner. there is a girl at my club that's a top earner and it's because she ANNOYS THE HELL out of the guys til they say yes. she does NOT give up. she will ask a guy 8 times til he gets sick of her asking and just goes with her.


What a fun tactic::)

Britt this girl sounds VERY familiar to me....I've worked with her before, and she is known to travel about the region so it wouldn't surprise me if she was down in md. I bet its who I'm thinking of!

Jenny
07-12-2008, 11:46 AM
VP - that phrasing was, indeed, tongue in cheek. I was making a point about a seeming polarity in earnings. The simple fact is that a few years ago $300 a night would have been thought of as low earnings, not medium earnings. Whether that is because of what girls admitted to or talked about or whether there is an actual change, or whether there is a higher representation on SW from non-big city environments, I'm not tracking. I'm pointing out why it might seem that girls here are either "excellent" earners or on the verge of donating organs for money.

Offtopic: on the subject of organ donation once a couple years ago I had reason to price my ova. Mine have pretty good value. Anyone who has taken the SATs or GREs - this is another thing those scores are good for. Your genetic material could be worth some good money.

VegasPrincess
07-12-2008, 03:17 PM
^^^

Oh my bad. You and your damn irony! (LOL!!!) I read the whole thread but I totally missed the point, that coupled with me being sleep deprived and bitter for stripping for that amount of money back home. I totally apologize.