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VegasPrincess
07-11-2008, 12:50 AM
That would skeve me out too ibi. And I don't believe in guns (in my personal world) too. Guns are for wimps to me. I prefer guys who are mixed martial artist types generally. If you can't fight with your hands, you have no business fighting.

I can understanding ppl wanting guns for protection against other ppl who are wimps using guns. But still, not in my world! I don't like guns.

Here's the thing. In a "fight" I would agree with you. However...Okay, I have a gun. Now, what if a large armed man comes into my house? How am I really going to be able to fight him off, you know? I'm sorry, it's not physically possible and if somebody has a gun and you charge at them they are going to shoot you.

My house is protected by Glock.

VegasPrincess
07-11-2008, 12:55 AM
"In Atlanta, a city where approximately a third of households contain guns, a study of 197 home-invasion crimes revealed only three instances (1.5 percent) in which the inhabitants resisted with a gun. Intruders got to the homeowner's gun twice as often as the homeowner did."

So by that statistic only 3 % of burglars got to the homeowners guns, right? That's 3 out of 100. Keep in mind most burglaries don't (thank God) take place when you are home.

twisterinAZ
07-11-2008, 02:37 AM
As long as it's not my house, I really don't care.

i.breathe.in
07-11-2008, 04:21 AM
this is the thing in the heat of the moment when panic sets in, do you really thinky uo could get a person dead on without them shooting you first? i mean come on for most people the likely hood of getting to their gun and being calm enough to fire effectively seems low.

Lysondra
07-11-2008, 05:40 AM
I hate guns, but let me say this: In all honesty I think the biggest thing from a gun that'll kill you is not the bullet, but your fear of it.

Tauries
07-11-2008, 05:55 AM
this is the thing in the heat of the moment when panic sets in, do you really thinky uo could get a person dead on without them shooting you first? i mean come on for most people the likely hood of getting to their gun and being calm enough to fire effectively seems low.

Well the intruder that attacked me in my house had a knife instead of a gun...that aside, in the heat of the moment time slowed down...to this day I can still picture every inch of that guys face turning from sinister to buckwheat eye bulge scared. You could pontificate this all day IBI, but until you actually experience the situation you will never know. A big part of responsible gun ownership is knowing how to use it, not just on the range but in "stress-fire" situations.

ArmySGT.
07-11-2008, 10:39 AM
Sure, but given the statement below, I'm not sure why I should bother.

WTH, here you .



Ah Dr. Arthur Kellerman........... Much as I detest Wikipedia here is a quick bio. As you can see Dr. Kellerman has been published a good deal. As a Professor it is expected , but with all his anti gun writings, you cannot expect me to take this article as an objective source.

ArmySGT.
07-11-2008, 10:55 AM
this is the thing in the heat of the moment when panic sets in, do you really thinky uo could get a person dead on without them shooting you first? i mean come on for most people the likely hood of getting to their gun and being calm enough to fire effectively seems low.

Fear is natural. Fear triggers the brain to dump large amounts of various hormones into our system. The total loss of control hysteria is a small percentage. Once you have taken a firearms safety course with an emphasis in personal protection you will have a plan and know what to do. It is the people without a plan that lose it and cannot cope.

A good firearms course with an emphasis on personal protection will include safe handling of various firearms and how they function. A review of Federal, State and Local laws such as use of deadly force, what is brandishing, locations not permitted, if you have a duty to flee, etc. A good course will have a discussion of scenarios where it is appropriate and not appropriate to use deadly force. If possible it will have such scenarios at the range. A good course will be taught by an instructor who has graduated some of the best private shooting schools in the Nation such as Gunsite, Thunder Ranch, or Blackwater. Not by an instructor who has been a cop for 5, 10, or 20 years. I have met plenty of cops that can't hit water if they fell out of a boat.

It is starting out there on your own without any training or experience that is intimidating for you. You have friends though. You can join the Second Amendment
Sisters and all womens firearms organization that would love to help you.

ArmySGT.
07-11-2008, 11:46 AM
i dont like guns. this new guy im seeing has 2 by his bed. he has a conceal and carry license and he says he just wants them for protection in case of a break in, and he njoys going to the shooting range.

it skeeves me out.

something about having sex with someone on a bed that a gun is next to on the floor kind of freaks me out.

i asked him if he would please at least keep them out of my sight when i am there, and he agreed...but its still freaky.

i dont know i have never been aroudn them in my life, i know some people are very pro right to bear arms and whatnot, but to me, and this may sound silly i just dont believe in them.


so how do you feel about guns in the house, or owning guns?

Anyway back to the OP. Why not get him one of those gun safes I mentioned earlier? It safe, the firearm is out of sight, still accessible quickly, and out of reach for children and guests.

Maybe he is unaware such a product is available.

Have all the rowdy noisy sex you want, the handgun is an inanimate chunk of steel. It will never notice i promise. :)

Richard_Head
07-11-2008, 07:10 PM
Ah Dr. Arthur Kellerman........... Much as I detest Wikipedia here is a quick bio. As you can see Dr. Kellerman has been published a good deal. As a Professor it is expected , but with all his anti gun writings, you cannot expect me to take this article as an objective source.I don't see a bio? Did I miss a link? I'm guessing the gun lobby puts lots of money into discrediting any possible critic so I'm really not sure what source would please you.

i.breathe.in
07-12-2008, 08:06 AM
well i decided to stop seeing him. aside from the whole gun factor, he has severe mommy issues, and acts totally different when he drinks in a bad way. ill pass.

im glad i can recognize red flags though, i never used to be able to. bleh.

ArmySGT.
07-14-2008, 04:25 PM
I don't see a bio? Did I miss a link? I'm guessing the gun lobby puts lots of money into discrediting any possible critic so I'm really not sure what source would please you.

I must have forgotten to include the link, mea culpa. Dr. Kellerman makes a portion of his income as tenured professor at Emory writing anti gun studies. My point being he is not an objective source. Sorry for the lack of a vast cover up conspiracy, I just prefer to verify sources before accepting them as gospel.

ArmySGT.
07-14-2008, 04:28 PM
well i decided to stop seeing him. aside from the whole gun factor, he has severe mommy issues, and acts totally different when he drinks in a bad way. ill pass.

im glad i can recognize red flags though, i never used to be able to. bleh.

Well there is more fish in the sea right. You were more in danger from his "issues" than his gun ownership. Funny side note. I was out to dinner with my niece and some of her friends from the Olympic training Center. One is "skeeved" by guns, so I neglected to mention she was riding around with two just by being in my car. Hee hee. The guns remained inanimate and shot no one.

kitana
07-16-2008, 05:36 AM
Just say you think that Ahmeerah is living in a dream world. I still think that people who tote guns to feel tough are wimps in comparison to real fighters. I can see people using guns as self-defense but that doesn't always work either.

Well what does that make me as well as 23 of the 27 MMA fighters training at my gym that ALL have firearms as well as martial arts training?

A firearm is ALWAYS gunna do more damage to a potential rapist than one of my best punches, not to mention that I don't want to be within arm's reach of a potential rapist in that situation.

kitana
07-16-2008, 05:36 AM
and don't forget the second amendment supporting Girl's Best Friend - Magnaporting !!! A Magnaported 9mm or even 10mm = .40 handgun is just as controllable as a .32 !

http://www.magnaport.com/hgun.html

You can keep your .40cal; I prefer my .45ACP M1911, lol.

jester214
07-18-2008, 01:17 PM
My feelings... I want more of them... Mandatory classes and more background checks, but MORE guns. The more people that are responsible gun owner, the safer I'll feel.

ArmySGT.
07-24-2008, 03:50 PM
I.B.I

Just wanted to know if you had tried the 2A sisters forum or went to a range and tried it out for yourself.


Give it a whirl!

got2havespunk
07-24-2008, 03:59 PM
We have several guns, but keep 2 "around". I was really nervous about it at first as well. But after awhile you get a bit desensitized. That, and there were two instances they may have come in handy had people not changed their minds at the last minute.
I very much agree to guns...it's a right as a US citizen. Esp. in the home. I also agree there needs to be a screening process etc. to weed out as many "bad" purchases as possible.

southstbabe
07-25-2008, 08:12 AM
I'm comfortable with guns and know how to use them. I can honestly say that I knew how to hold a shotgun before I knew how to tie my shoes. My father was a hunter so I grew up with guns in the house which I thought was perfectly normal not realizing that not everybody had guns in their house. I was taught from an early age that guns kill. Period. And they were off limits to me. I was also taught if you point a gun at someone you better be ready shoot em', there's no grey area when it comes to that.

Now I do become very distressed with the gun violence these days and the hands of some of the people that guns fall into. It's such a fine line between the right to bear arms and maybe we should tighten things up a bit.

ArmySGT.
07-25-2008, 11:39 AM
Now I do become very distressed with the gun violence these days and the hands of some of the people that guns fall into. It's such a fine line between the right to bear arms and maybe we should tighten things up a bit.

My opinion on the matter (should someone care, ha ha!) is that when mental health records and immigration records are tied in to the Instant Background (instant ha ha) system, then that will be what is necessary. The problem with this is that "instant background checks" are done by the individual States. So the criteria is actually fifty different ways. Oh most likely use the FBI national Crime Information Computer which is supposed to cross index any State and Federal criminals as well as all State and Territorial drivers licenses. Problem again is the criteria for entering this information is up to the States.

Then there is the lack of will when it comes to punishment for violent offenders.

Hello_Kitty27
07-25-2008, 04:33 PM
Well, IBI, even though you're done with him, I will just say that I don't mind guns in my house. i've dated a lot of cops, and they've always come here after work, changed their clothes and stuck their gun top of their clothes. I had one guy who did that on our first date, he came here right after work, changed and plopped his gun down ....I was a little freaked out about that b/c I barely knew him ... but that was it. Obviously I have no kids around, if I did, it would be a different story I think. But as for now, I don't mind them.

twisterinAZ
07-27-2008, 12:10 AM
I hate guns, but let me say this: In all honesty I think the biggest thing from a gun that'll kill you is not the bullet, but your fear of it.

WHAT ? What does that mean?

southstbabe
07-28-2008, 10:55 AM
My opinion on the matter (should someone care, ha ha!) is that when mental health records and immigration records are tied in to the Instant Background (instant ha ha) system, then that will be what is necessary. The problem with this is that "instant background checks" are done by the individual States. So the criteria is actually fifty different ways. Oh most likely use the FBI national Crime Information Computer which is supposed to cross index any State and Federal criminals as well as all State and Territorial drivers licenses. Problem again is the criteria for entering this information is up to the States.

Then there is the lack of will when it comes to punishment for violent offenders.

Kinda hard to keep a handle on things when not only is everyone not on the same page but their interpretation of that page is different too.

retiredangel
07-28-2008, 11:45 AM
Huge supporter,own many,my weapon of choice is a WaltherP88 and have concealed-carry permit that I enjoy renewing when need be.

All of my vehicles also have a weapon in them at all times.

Texas has some "unique" laws when it comes to gun-ownership and I have come to appreciate them being a "transplant" as there currently are many more problems in South Texas with illegals (not those coming to work but coming to kill and steal) and property-ownership than I care to get into but it's a huge and growing concern as is our physical- safety as rural property owners.
Not as simple an issue as the politicians would have you believe nor as "vigilante-orientated" as the media portrays but rather based on facts and the problem is growing as are the drugs allowed in and the threat at the borders are un-checked.

Education is important but so is common sense...guns don't kill people,people kill people.

There will always be controversy and crime but I for one will never be without one. :) I think all women should know how to handle and use one,my daughter does!

virgoamm
07-28-2008, 11:51 AM
I'm not a fan of guns at all, but my boyfriend is. He loves to hunt and has a lot of them. It doesn't bother me at all, to be honest.

CKXXX
07-28-2008, 02:30 PM
retiredangel..I was watching a show a few days ago about this woman who was in a restaurant(I think) when a guy came in shooting. Killed several people,including both her parents. She had a gun, but wasnt allowed to carry,so it was all the way in her car. She said that if she had it on her, she would have been able to take him out and save lives. She lobbied and won for the concealed gun permit laws in TX!!! So you can thank her for your right!!

I'm happy to be able to carry weapons on me for personal protection. When I cant have my gun(like to work), I carry a 400,000 volt taser. I havent had to actually use it on anyone yet...but flashing and cracking it(it makes a VERY loud intimidating sound and you can see the electricity crack between the prongs)) has gotten me out of some sticky situations that might have been really bad had I not been armed.

You can get a Taser Cam to attach too..http://www.taser.com/products/consumers/Pages/TASERCAM.aspx it takes up to an hour and a half of audio and visual in no light so you can have a record of anything that happens!! I WANT!! But I'd have to get a different Taser..that wont fit on mine.

I also want the stun gun knuckles: http://www.armysurplusworld.com/product.asp?engine=froogle&productID=31190

retiredangel
07-28-2008, 07:07 PM
Yep...I believe she was an off duty police officer who was in the "Luby's several years ago?
A maniac came in and she saw her elderly parents gunned down...she got under an overturned table and survived...how horrible for her and you are absoluely right that she is a brave and amazing women!
I do think however that there are still "limitations" about taking a weapon into a public place such as a restaurant here but people still do it because of examples like this. ;)
PLEASE be CAREFUL of "Craigslist" too while we're on the subject? Currently there is an investigation underway regarding a woman who was shot in the face and killed last weekend after "hooking up" with someone via an ad...seriously,there are freakshows are there with guns as well!

ArmySGT.
07-28-2008, 08:18 PM
Kinda hard to keep a handle on things when not only is everyone not on the same page but their interpretation of that page is different too.

Yep, This is one of those times I think a big government vs States rights would be a good thing. Though it would not jive with the 10th.

Jay Zeno
07-28-2008, 08:48 PM
There's a lot bigger chance of a gun accident in the house than needing it for an intruder. Besides, we have dogs, which are far more effective in keeping an intruder out in the first place. And I was in the Marines, and I shot very well.

Lexi
07-28-2008, 09:25 PM
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Paris
07-28-2008, 09:40 PM
I don't know how I feel about guns in the house. My dad had guns, but I haven't lived with him in almost 30 years.

Gun owners are more likely to be successful when attempting suicide. An ex of mine killed himself by a handgun properly applied to the head. For that reason alone, I'm inclined to think that not having guns in the house is probably a good idea.

Lysondra
07-28-2008, 10:21 PM
WHAT ? What does that mean?

Not your fear of the bullet, your fear of the gun.

That's what kills 90% of people who own one and don't use it properly.

CKXXX
07-29-2008, 12:17 PM
There's a lot bigger chance of a gun accident in the house than needing it for an intruder. Besides, we have dogs, which are far more effective in keeping an intruder out in the first place. And I was in the Marines, and I shot very well.
I disagree. If you know what you are doing and keep them locked away/safety on/etc...the chances of an accident happening are slim to none. Not to mention not everyone can have a dog...or wants one that is intimidating looking. If someone breaks into my home..I'll bet my gun will be a lot more effective then my cats.

Jay Zeno
07-29-2008, 01:11 PM
I should have said "my" house. I was not projecting to anyone else. I was answering the question from my perspective. The hazard of a firearm on premises, to me, far outweighs the theoretical safety that it brings.

Ava Jadore
07-31-2008, 09:34 AM
I own a .357 snub nose. It's not a matter of protection or making me feel safe...I just enjoy going to the firing range for target practice. I find it to be a good stress reliever for me. It's not guns I fear...its some of the idiots that own them. Firearm ownership is a big responsibility and should be treated as such. I get so upset when people treat them like toys.

CherryLollie
07-31-2008, 09:52 AM
Although I shoot for sport (range), I think they can be a necessary evil.

I have one I keep in a safe. No one except the PD knows that I even have one. I prefer to keep it that way, so there's no temptation for anyone at my house to go looking for it. It's always good to go to the range every few months at least to keep your skills sharp.

I would not feel comfortable leaving it outside of the safe, that's for sure.

winterrose
08-03-2008, 07:27 AM
Our gun sits on the bedside table. It is a comfort to have it.

I'm confident and comfortable around them, I was military and think it is my Right to have and own one. I earned that right and will continue to exercise it.

i.breathe.in
08-03-2008, 11:43 AM
i think my original issue was not so much guns but the fact that it was someone with serious anxiety and paranoia issues that had the guns in his bed with him at night. that to me makes for a disaster.

winterrose, i think you are well within your right your have a gun, especially since you are ex military. i just think people with existing mental conditions should not nbe allowed to have guns...

ArmySGT.
08-04-2008, 05:30 PM
There's a lot bigger chance of a gun accident in the house than needing it for an intruder. Besides, we have dogs, which are far more effective in keeping an intruder out in the first place. And I was in the Marines, and I shot very well.

Personally I don't think you should rely on those dogs for anything but the joy and companionship they bring to your life. You have introduced them to strangers and called them off people unfamiliar to them during your total ownership. So if they have not gone to a guard dog school and will actually attack on command I wouldn't count on it. Watch the show "To catch a thief" sometime. You will see quite a few dog owners shocked when their dog doesn't even bark at the stranger breaking in.

On another note.
In celebration of nothing to do until classes start............ I got a .22 rifle out of storage and plan a trip to the whittington center to shoot steel pigs and rams at the rimfire range.


IBI ,
If those are you concerns, that the ex boyfriend is paranoid and has anxiety issues; it can be best that you have parted ways. More fish in the sea.

Did you check out that website?

i.breathe.in
08-04-2008, 05:32 PM
IBI ,
If those are you concerns, that the ex boyfriend is paranoid and has anxiety issues; it can be best that you have parted ways. More fish in the sea.

Did you check out that website?

no i didnt, its not really pertanent to my interests, so i didnt check it. but thanks!

Jay Zeno
08-04-2008, 07:11 PM
Personally I don't think you should rely on those dogs for anything but the joy and companionship they bring to your life..... Watch the show "To catch a thief" sometime. Thanks. Without bothering to watch a TV show about someone else, my experience has been different. (I bet there's people with guns in the home who still get robbed, too.)

Attended a seminar given by a metro police department on defense in the home: "First and best thing you can do is get a dog, even a little yapper," etc.

ArmySGT.
08-04-2008, 10:46 PM
Thanks. Without bothering to watch a TV show about someone else, my experience has been different. (I bet there's people with guns in the home who still get robbed, too.)

Attended a seminar given by a metro police department on defense in the home: "First and best thing you can do is get a dog, even a little yapper," etc.

As you wish. I cite the show as something that can be seen. The Metro police are buying into the common "Barking dog discourages theft" urban legend. What I am saying is that is just urban legend and not really true.

YMMV

Perry
08-11-2008, 01:54 AM
Personally I don't think you should rely on those dogs for anything but the joy and companionship they bring to your life. You have introduced them to strangers and called them off people unfamiliar to them during your total ownership. So if they have not gone to a guard dog school and will actually attack on command I wouldn't count on it. Watch the show "To catch a thief" sometime. You will see quite a few dog owners shocked when their dog doesn't even bark at the stranger breaking in.


Um, most dogs bark. It's what they do. I can tell the difference when my dog barks for a knock at the door, he's seen something outside, something is just wrong or he got startled by something. Just the fact that a dog has the potential to make noise will detour entruders. Second to that, some dogs have the ability to cause seriouse damage if the need be.

And sorry, but there's no such thing as a guard dog. EVERY dog will defend it's owner if they think he/she is in danger.

i.breathe.in
08-11-2008, 05:57 AM
And sorry, but there's no such thing as a guard dog. EVERY dog will defend it's owner if they think he/she is in danger.

haaa not mine shes a chow lab mix and all she will do is bark and run away, ive seen it lol.

Jay Zeno
08-11-2008, 06:48 AM
Yeah, I didn't want to keep the thread's life going artificially, but even *I* can't get in the house without the dogs barking. An intruder will pass on in hopes of finding someplace quieter.

And Sarge, no offense whatsoever, but I'd be more inclined to follow the advice of security/law enforcement professionals who talk to me directly over the recommendation of an Internet message board poster. No doubt you and everyone else here (including me) are informed and sincere. Just sayin'. I'd expect you to feel the same.

Let me put my opinion in probabilities: Given my neighborhood (mutually supportive) and the dogs, the risk of having someone unwanted in the house is negligible. Therefore, I don't feel that the risk, however small, of an unwanted gunshot in the house is warranted.

threlayer
08-12-2008, 06:51 AM
Man, this thread got off-track so fast. At least the OP made a good decision but I dont know if that resulted from the advice and arguments given.

Seems that guns are as controversial on SW as Bush, extras, and religion. Except that discussing Bush has been relegated to the Member boards, and people talking about religion any more seem to let others alone to their beliefs. Good thing we all are not as argumentive about abortion too.

If gun ownership were 'perfect', people also would be very thoroughly 'vetted' and trained not just at target shooting but also on the active firing line. Personally I can handle both pistols and longer guns, but I don't like them in my home. I always live in a safe area and have supportive neigbors. But I do hate to go downtown. Of course I'm not much of a rape target.

i.breathe.in
08-12-2008, 07:24 AM
Man, this thread got off-track so fast. At least the OP made a good decision but I dont know if that resulted from the advice and arguments given.

Seems that guns are as controversial on SW as Bush, extras, and religion. Except that discussing Bush has been relegated to the Member boards, and people talking about religion any more seem to let others alone to their beliefs. Good thing we all are not as argumentive about abortion too.

If gun ownership were 'perfect', people also would be very thoroughly 'vetted' and trained not just at target shooting but also on the active firing line. Personally I can handle both pistols and longer guns, but I don't like them in my home. I always live in a safe area and have supportive neigbors. But I do hate to go downtown. Of course I'm not much of a rape target.

i know right totally off track, but thats the exciting part ;)

i broke things off partly because of this thread and partly beucause he was an obvious nutcase after a few days.

jessica0585
08-12-2008, 10:36 AM
my boyfriend has guns in our apartment and i am completely comfortable with it. they are not loaded, all have locks on them except for the hand gun. the hand gun has the safety on it and i have been to the shooting range before with the hand gun (im a damn good shot) so i feel more comfortable knowing i can protect myself if our apartment was ever broken into. as far as other home, as long as everyone knows how to safely handle the gun in the household and they are kept locked and in a gun cabinet i see no problem with this either

ArmySGT.
08-13-2008, 05:09 PM
Um, most dogs bark. It's what they do. I can tell the difference when my dog barks for a knock at the door, he's seen something outside, something is just wrong or he got startled by something. Just the fact that a dog has the potential to make noise will detour entruders. Second to that, some dogs have the ability to cause seriouse damage if the need be.

And sorry, but there's no such thing as a guard dog. EVERY dog will defend it's owner if they think he/she is in danger.

So the dog barks............. Car alarms make noise too. Doesn't mean the neighbors will feel inclined to come and check on your personal property.

Oh yes there is such a thing as a guard dog. The setback is several thousand dollars for the dog and the training for it. Search internet listings as there are many former military and police K9 handlers out there raising and training guard dogs for sale.
A second downside is the liability insurance you need to carry if the dog bites someone.

Sorry for the threadjack.......

Weather has prevented me from enjoying some time with the .22 at the whittington center. Bummer. Rain, rain , go away.

kitana
08-14-2008, 06:34 AM
And sorry, but there's no such thing as a guard dog. EVERY dog will defend it's owner if they think he/she is in danger.

Sorry, but you are WRONG.

Guard dogs go through INTENSE and VERY costly training. Besides K-9 obedience and protection training, there is also 3 levels of Schutzhund to also help train a dog to guard and protect and in cases attack.

And NO not every dog will defend their owner, not even close.