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Emily
07-13-2008, 07:13 PM
clientelle is low here at this club. it's definitely not my hustle cuz i'm a top earner here.

Haven't you been dancing for like...a week? I don't even want to get into this right now because it has nothing to do with the thread. But I guarantee that if I worked a night in that club, I'd blow $200 out of the water.

I hope you really read what I wrote. I understand you need $200 per night to live on now, but this is not a long term solution. What are you going to do when you quit dancing?

AN EXIT PLAN IS IMPORTANT (and they don't come cheap.) And welfare does not count as an exit plan. I'm embarrassed for people who make decent money, taking away from families that do need the assistance. Shame on you.

Lysondra
07-13-2008, 07:16 PM
actually im dead serious. if i had a kid i would do the same thing. i had to file my back taxes really low to qualify for bankruptcy.


and tell the guy who got drunk and blew 2000 at a strip club on his credit card that we didnt hurt him when his wife finds out ;)


:O Maybe I'm just weird because I don't like the idea of being arrested for tax evasion...

And I see a difference in giving a guy a lapdance and stealing from the government. But I'm silly like that.

(and hey, no offense to you or your opinions, just statin' mine. I still love ya like a... freaky sister.)

i.breathe.in
07-13-2008, 07:17 PM
:O Maybe I'm just weird because I don't like the idea of being arrested for tax evasion...

And I see a difference in giving a guy a lapdance and stealing from the government. But I'm silly like that.

(and hey, no offense to you or your opinions, just statin' mine. I still love ya like a... freaky sister.)

your not wierd. wait your an aussie arent you? maybe you are wierd...lol

Lysondra
07-13-2008, 07:19 PM
your not wierd. wait your an aussie arent you? maybe you are wierd...lol


Oiye, mebbe that be it, Sheila. Payun mah taxes anna not strippin' da govmnt uv it's ard earned greenies. Next yannow, I maya be fisticuffin for da law!! Bu' foist... a beer.

i.breathe.in
07-13-2008, 07:22 PM
Oiye, mebbe that be it, Sheila. Payun mah taxes anna not strippin' da govmnt uv it's ard earned greenies. Next yannow, I maya be fisticuffin for da law!! Bu' foist... a beer.


lmao!;D

happygiggles
07-13-2008, 07:25 PM
it's been a month not a week. not that much longer but i still bring home more money than the other girls cuz in my club, my city guys like to chill before they get dances as stated in a previous post. i know this, so i get more yesses than the other girls at my club. my conversation is cool so guys have paid me my few nights of working just to sit and talk. and again 200 a night is not just to live on. 200 a night gives me money to save. some people don't even make 200 a week. so are you saying that an income of 3200 isn't enough? that's making 800 a week. working at a warehouse job gets you 400. i understand that my work is worth more than that, however, 3200 a month is good money to me. and exiting stripping? my degree will get me that. see, i have internships waiting for me this fall. the ones i'd been interested in are only for juniors and seniors. i work for a memphis magazine company now- might as well say intern or volunteer cuz i don't get a dime. i know a lot of people in the business already and in journalism it's all about who you know.

Emily
07-13-2008, 07:26 PM
it's been a month not a week.


I stand corrected. :O

Again, you missed my point though. I am not saying $200/night or $3200/month is bad money. But in this business, it is NOT GOOD MONEY.

If you are really that great of a hustler, perhaps you should try a club with higher earning potential. Don't sell yourself short. As someone who also considers herself a good saleswoman (I hate the word "hustler" to describe what we are) I wouldn't work at a place where my ceiling was so low. Perhaps it's so bad there because girls have trained the guys that they can talk a long time for free?

happygiggles
07-13-2008, 07:28 PM
i wasn't trying to correct you. as i did state that it still isn't that much longer.

i.breathe.in
07-13-2008, 07:29 PM
I stand corrected. :O

Again, you missed my point though. I am not saying $200/night or $3200/month is bad money. But in this business, it is NOT GOOD MONEY.


depends on the area. and the economy... i dont think thats a good statement to make.

my rent is 525 for a 2 bedroom 1000 sq foot apartment in a decent area. i make 200-400 a night on average. for my area its fine.

Lysondra
07-13-2008, 07:29 PM
Do you actually do writing for the magazine?

Helle
07-13-2008, 07:33 PM
see this is where these money discussion lose me because i make like 5 grand a month... which everyone here says is shit money. but my bills total for the month are like 1 grand and i'm definatly sitting prettier than most of my friends and people around me.

i mean, i suppose compared to like strippers in say NYC or Chicago or whatever that's chump change... but i'm not IN those areas, i'm where i'm at so... wouldn't Good Money then be relative?

i mean like, what if i said 'yeah, i could make a grand a night in chi town but i make 300 a night here' does that mean i'm a shit earner because i'm currently in a depressed area..?

Emily
07-13-2008, 07:35 PM
depends on the area. and the economy... i dont think thats a good statement to make.

my rent is 525 for a 2 bedroom 1000 sq foot apartment in a decent area. i make 200-400 a night on average. for my area its fine.


It may be "good for the area" but that doesn't make it "good."

I know it's not going to be popular, but I'm going to say it. Dancers who find $200 a night acceptable are partially responsible for the decline of the business.

happygiggles
07-13-2008, 07:36 PM
i've done one tiny snippet. and it felt soooooooooooooooooo good. but mostly it's just "take this here" "run this there" "find out what people are thinking about this" and there's this one lady who let's me "proof read" her articles. however i think she just does it because i keep an ap book on me at all times and is just too lazy to look stuff up herself. also i was an editor at the teen appeal once-our local high school magazine. but it's big! it's a child of the memphis commercial appeal. trying to build up my portfolio. i also write for the school news paper. my ultimate goal is to be editor in chief of my own magazine one day.

Lysondra
07-13-2008, 07:37 PM
I dunno... if she's making half her rent every night, I think that's good.

Lysondra
07-13-2008, 07:38 PM
i've done one tiny snippet. and it felt soooooooooooooooooo good. but mostly it's just "take this here" "run this there" "find out what people are thinking about this" and there's this one lady who let's me "proof read" her articles. however i think she just does it because i keep an ap book on me at all times and is just too lazy to look stuff up herself. also i was an editor at the teen appeal once-our local high school magazine. but it's big! it's a child of the memphis commercial appeal. trying to build up my portfolio. i also write for the school news paper. my ultimate goal is to be editor in chief of my own magazine one day.

Why don't you write in the same style as you do for the magazine here? It would be easier to understand, I think.

happygiggles
07-13-2008, 07:41 PM
not necessarily. the ap style of writing is not conversational at all. besides, this is my break from all of that. i'm writing the way i speak. i love to edit but not my own writing.

i.breathe.in
07-13-2008, 07:56 PM
It may be "good for the area" but that doesn't make it "good."

I know it's not going to be popular, but I'm going to say it. Dancers who find $200 a night acceptable are partially responsible for the decline of the business.

i dont know if you have noticed or not but were not in the hight of the dot com boom anymore.

my areas economy is one of the lowest in the us.

its not even possible to makemore then that money dancing in this area without extras and even then....you may not.

i find your comment insulting.

Emily
07-13-2008, 08:01 PM
i dont know if you have noticed or not but were not in the hight of the dot com boom anymore.

my areas economy is one of the lowest in the us.

its not even possible to makemore then that money dancing in this area without extras and even then....you may not.

i find your comment insulting.

I don't mean to insult, and I'm not comparing today's money to 1999 money.

I know Ohio is rough. I hear it all the time on the news.

I'm just sick of working in clubs where the majority of girls find $200 a night okay.

First, this means too many girls. Secondly, it means customers may think a dancer's time is worth $200 per night. It may be to you, but to me that's a signal it's time to quit. That is not worth it and if that is ever my average, I'll be changing careers to something where I'm not suffering from back pain, insults and wandering fingers.

Lysondra
07-13-2008, 08:02 PM
Now that I think of it (and hey, still on topic!) I really think making half your rent a night is 'good' and your whole rent 'great'. Think about it... we strive for a grand a night some of us... those that do - usually have grand a month housing!! While i.breathe.in has $600 housing - I bet her 'grand a night' (pardon if I'm wrong) is $600, because THAT'S her rent.

I may be on to something.

Because my rent is $800 and I am always content with $400 but am always really happy when I make $800-1000+. Like, that's what it takes to make a really good night - my rent.

Am I on to something? Anyone?

i.breathe.in
07-13-2008, 08:04 PM
Now that I think of it (and hey, still on topic!) I really think making half your rent a night is 'good' and your whole rent 'great'. Think about it... we strive for a grand a night some of us... those that do - usually have grand a month housing!! While i.breathe.in has $600 housing - I bet her 'grand a night' (pardon if I'm wrong) is $600, because THAT'S her rent.

I may be on to something.

Because my rent is $800 and I am always content with $400 but am always really happy when I make $800-1000+. Like, that's what it takes to make a really good night - my rent.

Am I on to something? Anyone?

yep your pretty close. though a grand is preferable ;)

Helle
07-13-2008, 08:05 PM
Lysondra, I agree completly.

I own a three bedroom house that I pay 500 a month on. 500 a night would be a very good night for me but def. not impossible.

I mean, you guys think that's chump change but.... Yeah. That's rent!

Lysondra
07-13-2008, 08:05 PM
yep your pretty close. though a grand is preferable ;)

Well... yeah. :P But to make you super pleased and happy would be your rent, which you agreed to which makes me right, you freaky deaky dodecahedron lidded sistah.

happygiggles
07-13-2008, 08:07 PM
yes you are. it's funny how the topics all get off topic here lately. i didn't ask if anybody thinks 200 a night is good. i asked what everyone thinks a good night is for them. and so, we always have ones who insist on arguing about things that should be left alone.

i.breathe.in
07-13-2008, 08:08 PM
yes you are. it's funny how the topics all get off topic here lately. i didn't ask if anybody thinks 200 a night is good. i asked what everyone thinks a good night is for them. and so, we always have ones who insist on arguing about things that should be left alone.


sooner or later youll learn how things work around here my little newb. 8)

Sveta
07-13-2008, 08:09 PM
wouldn't Good Money then be relative?


Obviously it is, since everyone in this thread has some variation on what is "good money" to them. ;) Depends on the area, your club's potential, how long you've been dancing, etc... (and IMHO the beliefs and attitudes that you hold about money also make a difference.)

If I don't make $500 in a shift...yeah, I feel put out. I'm a city dweller; cost of living is only cheap if I want to live in a high-crime ghetto area...which obviously I don't. And I have to put myself through school to the tune of $40k. So I require more than someone who doesn't have that kind of expense.

Emily
07-13-2008, 08:11 PM
why is rent the deciding factor though?

Like my car payment would be the same if I were living in Ohio.
A gallon of gas would be the same if I were living in Ohio.
A new living room set would cost the same if I were living in Ohio.
A pound of bananas would cost the same if I were living in Ohio.

Most cost of living items are static in the continental US. Rent is such an arbitrary amount. Even in on the same street, it could vary drastically. It really has a lot to do with how we choose to live as well as the area.

Sveta
07-13-2008, 08:14 PM
Because my rent is $800 and I am always content with $400 but am always really happy when I make $800-1000+. Like, that's what it takes to make a really good night - my rent.

Am I on to something? Anyone?

I think you are on to something! ;D It's a much neater, more tangible way of saying that "good money" is relative and largely depends on your income to expenses ratio. If I made my rent in a night, that'd be $850, and I would consider that a great night. And yes again...if I made half my rent (~$425), that wouldn't be that much less than my $500 benchmark, so I'd be OK with that.

Lysondra
07-13-2008, 08:15 PM
why is rent the deciding factor though?

Like my car payment would be the same if I were living in Ohio.
A gallon of gas would be the same if I were living in Ohio.
A new living room set would cost the same if I were living in Ohio.
A pound of bananas would cost the same if I were living in Ohio.

Most cost of living items are static in the continental US. Rent is such an arbitrary amount. Even in on the same street, it could vary drastically. It really has a lot to do with how we choose to live as well as the area.

Huh... that's so weird. Maybe I'm out of touch because I moved away too long ago but I remember there being huge price changes from rural areas to bigger city areas. Like everything was cheaper in butt-fuck nowhere.

And the car payment would be the same because you moved there from the bigger place...

but if you bought a car there, I'm guessing it would be cheaper.

Has it all evened out in the last 3 years?

It was fuckall cheap in Arkansas which was fuckall cheap for Michigan which was fuckall cheap for LA.

happygiggles
07-13-2008, 08:15 PM
sooner or later youll learn how things work around here my little newb. 8)

trust, i'm getting to see that now. cliquish i'd call it. as for emily, for me rent is the deciding factor cuz that's the most major bill i have. now when i do get a car 200 won't be enough.

Helle
07-13-2008, 08:16 PM
I don't know, I guess I don't know what part of Penns you're in but it's a hell of a lot cheaper to live in Columbus than it was in Philly. I mean like, very noticeably cheaper.

I suppose also you'd have to take into account what the average person makes in the area I mean, it's a bit more economically depressed here in Ohio and Michigan than in Penny's or NYC. Sometimes it's not that customers think we're 'only' worth 200 a night... it's just that really, out here, that's ALL they have.

Emily
07-13-2008, 08:17 PM
but if you bought a car there, I'm guessing it would be cheaper.

Has it all evened out in the last 3 years?

It was fuckall cheap in Arkansas which was fuckall cheap for Michigan which was fuckall cheap for LA.

Why would a car be cheaper in rural areas? Maybe the insurance, but not the actual car or gas.


I don't know, I guess I don't know what part of Penns you're in but it's a hell of a lot cheaper to live in Columbus than it was in Philly. I mean like, very noticeably cheaper.


I live in the Philadelphia suburbs. But I chose to buy a house that's pretty nice and my mortage payment reflects that. But when I first moved out to this area in 2002, I rented 1 bedroom apartment for $460 a month in Phoenixville, PA. It was a safe, clean neighborhood and you could walk to houses that were $400,000+ from there.

i.breathe.in
07-13-2008, 08:17 PM
I don't know, I guess I don't know what part of Penns you're in but it's a hell of a lot cheaper to live in Columbus than it was in Philly. I mean like, very noticeably cheaper.

or the pitts....

and uh car insurance and gas prices vary widely....your really starting to lose me.

cinammonkisses
07-13-2008, 08:17 PM
Huh... that's so weird. Maybe I'm out of touch because I moved away too long ago but I remember there being huge price changes from rural areas to bigger city areas. Like everything was cheaper in butt-fuck nowhere.


but if you bought a car there, I'm guessing it would be cheaper.

Has it all evened out in the last 3 years?


Ohio and PA do have relatively the same pricings. And for the record, Ohio isn't all rural..dammmit.

Carry-On,
ck :P

Sveta
07-13-2008, 08:18 PM
Maybe I'm out of touch because I moved away too long ago but I remember there being huge price changes from rural areas to bigger city areas.

nah, you're not out of touch...I don't know about the other examples mentioned, but I just moved (i.e. drove myself across 2/3 of the country) and gas prices varied wildly depending on where I was.

Lysondra
07-13-2008, 08:18 PM
Why would a car be cheaper in rural areas? Maybe the insurance, but not the actual car or gas.

When I lived there it was like a dollar cheaper per gallon in rural areas compared to cities.

And the car was cheaper because people made less money and couldn't afford the higher prices for the same cars.

I even remember being told "NO don't buy a car here, go 50 miles west to that small town and buy the same car... it's cheaper there!!" when I got my car in Michigan. And it was, like $1000 cheaper. People would always give advice to stock up on groceries when in the smaller local town...

cinammonkisses
07-13-2008, 08:19 PM
cliquish i'd call it.

I wouldn't call it cliquish at all. Moreso, like-minded ladies are like-minded :-X

Lysondra
07-13-2008, 08:20 PM
Ohio and PA do have relatively the same pricings. And for the record, Ohio isn't all rural..dammmit.

Carry-On,
ck :P

I grew up in a city of 25 million people. EVERYTHING is rural, hahahaha.

i.breathe.in
07-13-2008, 08:20 PM
I wouldn't call it cliquish at all. Moreso, like-minded ladies are like-minded :-X

i think shes just upset becuase people were saying they wouldnt buy dances from her on the blue side. :-X

i was actually defending her at one point in this thread.....whatever....

LilyLove
07-13-2008, 08:22 PM
Now that I think of it (and hey, still on topic!) I really think making half your rent a night is 'good' and your whole rent 'great'. Think about it... we strive for a grand a night some of us... those that do - usually have grand a month housing!! While i.breathe.in has $600 housing - I bet her 'grand a night' (pardon if I'm wrong) is $600, because THAT'S her rent.

I may be on to something.

Because my rent is $800 and I am always content with $400 but am always really happy when I make $800-1000+. Like, that's what it takes to make a really good night - my rent.

Am I on to something? Anyone?

Yes, you certainly are. Looking back at my charts, I average about 225 a night. That is almost half my rent. So when I have one of my 400 dollar nights, it feels really great. My highest ever was just under 700. It felt like a grand night to me. My expenses per month are usually around 1000, not including savings and fun stuff. So if I have a 500 dollar night here and there, that's half of my expenses in one night. As of last night, the 12th, I have all the money I need for bills and expenses for things like my cat.

That leaves all the money I make for the rest of the month, which should be almost 2000 dollars for saving and fun stuff.

happygiggles
07-13-2008, 08:22 PM
but the like minds are seperate minds and have to think different sometimes. there are some ladies who seem to always share the same opinion. and realistically if there are two people in the world there will always be something to argue about except for the clique ladies here who always joyfully agree on everything

happygiggles
07-13-2008, 08:23 PM
and actually what people were saying on the blue side has nothing to do with this convo. if i were upset about that stuff it would be over there with that.

Helle
07-13-2008, 08:24 PM
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i.breathe.in
07-13-2008, 08:25 PM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/gagegararge/ThreadDirection.jpg

services?

sweet so you do extras right?

lol

happygiggles
07-13-2008, 08:25 PM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/gagegararge/ThreadDirection.jpg

as usual

Helle
07-13-2008, 08:26 PM
services?

sweet so you do extras right?

lol


hell yeah, how do you think i get those 500$ nights??

Sveta
07-13-2008, 08:26 PM
but the like minds are seperate minds and have to think different sometimes. there are some ladies who seem to always share the same opinion. and realistically if there are two people in the world there will always be something to argue about except for the clique ladies here who always joyfully agree on everything

There IS always "something to argue about" :P We're a bunch of different individuals with a wide variety of backgrounds, life experiences, beliefs and ways of seeing the world. Sure we're going to disagree! Most of the time it's not what you say, it's how you say it. Disagreement shouldn't == disrespect.

Emily
07-13-2008, 08:26 PM
but the like minds are seperate minds and have to think different sometimes. there are some ladies who seem to always share the same opinion. and realistically if there are two people in the world there will always be something to argue about except for the clique ladies here who always joyfully agree on everything

Wait, who is in the clique?

From what I can guess, Chrissy68, CK and me? I'm 100% certain that we don't always agree with one another.

cinammonkisses
07-13-2008, 08:27 PM
Wait, who is the clique?

From what I can guess, Chrissy68, CK and me?

Wootwoot!! Hell yeahhhh I'm in a clique now bitches :D

Also, yea we DEFINATELY don't always agree lol.

happygiggles
07-13-2008, 08:28 PM
you said it.

cinammonkisses
07-13-2008, 08:29 PM
you said it.

Well, is she wrong? Damn with all that bs drama! Spill it..get it off ya chest ::)