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Everyman
07-17-2008, 09:10 AM
most vintage items are sold at prices wildly different from those assigned arbitrary prices. It depends entirely on how enthusiastic the buyer is..... the value is set by whatever the buyer thinks this specific dancer is worth. It's often quite high.


It's a price driven by emotion, much as in the case with a vintage car.

Which is exactly why I would think "what do you charge an hour?" would have a wildly varying answer depending on circumstance (e.g. heart of the buyer). Much like my airline example but even more variant -- this kind of transaction not being susceptible to a generalized answer like "$300/hr."

All Good Things
07-17-2008, 09:19 AM
^ Jaizaine can correct me if I'm wrong, but my guess is the $300 an hour is her basic "buy-out" price based on a simple computation of what she could earn in an hour doing other things.

My guess is that this is also a "qualifying" price. It filters out those who are not inclined to be a buyer, such as yourself (nothing personal).

I'm quite sure she accepts tips, which in my experience can reach or exceed the quoted cost. This is the "heart of the buyer" coming into the picture.

The "heart of the buyer" is the core concept for every sales and hustle technique in the club. Of course, I'm interpreting "heart" to include the mind as well as the nether regions that often substitute for the mind in men. :)

Everyman
07-17-2008, 09:50 AM
^ Jaizaine can correct me if I'm wrong, but my guess is the $300 an hour is her basic "buy-out" price based on a simple computation of what she could earn in an hour doing other things.

My guess is that this is also a "qualifying" price. It filters out those who are not inclined to be a buyer, such as yourself (nothing personal).

I'm quite sure she accepts tips, which in my experience can reach or exceed the quoted cost. This is the "heart of the buyer" coming into the picture.

The "heart of the buyer" is the core concept for every sales and hustle technique in the club. Of course, I'm interpreting "heart" to include the mind as well as the nether regions that often substitute for the mind in men. :)

We're getting deeper into esoterica here....I think perhaps the most helpful thing for the OP is the real estate concept of "comparables" -- weekend nights at a club in Melbourne probably has -0- to do with what his dancer would expect. Not blaming jaizaine, I realize he just asked the question and she answered it. But it's not a comp.

threlayer
07-17-2008, 10:33 AM
Fifteen 4 minute song/dances equals $300 at $20 per. No doubt no dancer gets all her time fillled. Just like anyone else, there is some downtime.

My comments was not directed at the whole ensuing conversation. I get tired of reading repetition too.
I was pointing out what that high rate might mean in other professions.

bsteve
07-17-2008, 07:18 PM
I've noticed that some customers here do get very defensive - and hence kind of aggressive - when this sort of thing is brought up. By "this sort of thing" I mean girls mentioning that they charge more than you would be willing to pay. Rather than just say "Wow; that's quite a lot - I would rather buy dances" or "Wow, I would not be able to afford that" some feel the need to deride those customers who do, and imply (or state very directly) that we make too much money or that we don't deserve it. It is perhaps not surprising then that the dancer will in turn get irritated, because it is her job, her market worth and who is anyone here to tell her that she isn't worth it?


I know that this was not directed at me, but, as Everyman and some other custies, I too have a difficult time understanding why a guy would want to pay $300 to chat with a dancers. I hear what The Other Owner says, and I thank him for his input, but I still don't get it (I sit around, talk, play games, etc., with my wife, friends, kids, neighbors, at social functions, at work, etc. I don't need that from a dancer -- I need a dance from a dancer). Please do not try to explain it to me; some guys spend money on flying lessons, or on gambling, or sailboat racing to have fun, and some on chats with dancers to have fun. I shake my head, but yeah, to each his own.

And I do admire very much those dancers who are able to get this kind of money. More power to them! ;D

Golden_Rule
07-18-2008, 12:52 AM
NO as ive already effin stated already in this thread.
I dont sit with people in this situation FFS Im too busy. I will only stay and chat if a customer wishes to book me otherwise NEXT "wanna dance"

Fair enough.

msonyxorb
07-18-2008, 11:50 PM
I charge $300 an hour to sit with a customer.
I don't sit and chat or drink. I negotiate payment first and then the conversation starts. I dont put myself into the situation where I am relying on whatever they feel like tipping me. Done it before and been burned so never again.
goddamn girl, how do you do it? do guys ever get mad when you say you charge? if i tried to pull this guys would just call me a money grubbing whore. i can rarely get guys to spend 300 in dances from me much less pay me 300 bucks to just sit and talk to them! is it that much different in australia than in the US or are you just extraordinarily beautiful? I feel like such worthless shit whenever i go on here and see how much girls charge and get for their time.

edit: nevermind i thought you meant talking on the floor. but still, damn.

msonyxorb
07-18-2008, 11:56 PM
Lol..then I guess Jazaine wouldn't be chilling with you.
I also charge that amount..I think it is fair considering I make more than that for dances in an hour.
Where do you LIVE???
yeah hypothetically you could make more than that in an hour, but are you dancing the whole time you work???
no, unless you get a high roller who buys multiple hours in the champagne, a lot of time is wasted on the floor trying to hustle customers, who for the most part buy 5 or less dances.
im guessing the club you work at must be supppper busy for you to get so much work! i usually only do 10 dances a night!, that equals out to about 2 an hour!
are clubs not as dead in other parts of the world?

msonyxorb
07-19-2008, 12:14 AM
Yeah, but a dancer does not work the entire time that she is in the club. Yes she grosses $20 per 3 minute dance, but the vast majority of her time she is not dancing. Out of her 8 hour workday, she may be billing only for 42 minutes.

um...i think THAT is the reason why he is saying its unreasonable. sure a a dancer can make 300 an hour if she wasnt wasting time talking to a customer for free...but the odds of this happening...very slim, therefore it is unreasonable to ask for that rate for conversation because for the most part, we dont make 300 an hour because we arent dancing every single minute of that hour unless we get a champagne room or something (which are booked by the hour)

msonyxorb
07-19-2008, 12:17 AM
No, it is not unreasonable. An actor or an athlete has very unique talents that very few other people have. An actor or an athlete can make that kind of money, because he is entertaining thousands or hudreds of thousands of customers; if everyone chips in a buck or two, we are talking serious cash.

um im sorry this is a huge insult to the millions of people who are super talented yet struggling their asses off. plenty of people have talent. most arent paid millions to show it off. its not that very few people have talent, its that very few people get lucky enough to get to that status. there are plenty of untalented people with celeb status and millions of super talented people who are living in poverty

ElevateAnimo
07-19-2008, 11:16 AM
I'm a young guy who is new to strip clubs, but I've been reading this site for a while and it is very entertaining: I also like it because I have learned a lot about how dancers think and hustle.
But in regards to this topic: I had a favorite dancer that I used to see almost every week and I would spend a lot of money getting dances from her. She would also spend a lot of time chatting with me before we got dances, and I got used to paying a certain amount of money for her time.
This only worked because we really hit it off when we first met (we are the same age and have a lot of the same interests).
I would give her as much money as I could because I genuinely liked her, and I felt I was helping her avoid trying to get dances from other guys while I was there. The thing is, if she would have told me that her rate was $300/hr for her time when we first met, I would have turned her down. But after seeing her several times at the club and building a sort of fake relationship, that's what I was actually paying.
But she can't say her rate is $300/hr because most guys won't pay that amount: some of my friends would make fun of me for the amount I was spending on her, even though I told them the dances were great. So I can see how some guys here are questioning $300/hr to only chat with a dancer. I do believe dancers can make a lot of money off certain PL's (like myself). But only after a significant effort was made (consciously or unconsciously) by the dancer to hustle the PL when they first meet, and this includes not mentioning how much the dancer will charge for an hour of her time.

Bellona
07-19-2008, 02:07 PM
Where do you LIVE???
yeah hypothetically you could make more than that in an hour, but are you dancing the whole time you work???
no, unless you get a high roller who buys multiple hours in the champagne, a lot of time is wasted on the floor trying to hustle customers, who for the most part buy 5 or less dances.
im guessing the club you work at must be supppper busy for you to get so much work! i usually only do 10 dances a night!, that equals out to about 2 an hour!
are clubs not as dead in other parts of the world?

I live in Canada sexy..I also get 40 a song which I keep all of. doing 10 songs a nite is actually a bad nite for me so I guess it is busier here.:)

msonyxorb
07-19-2008, 02:20 PM
I live in Canada sexy..I also get 40 a song which I keep all of. doing 10 songs a nite is actually a bad nite for me so I guess it is busier here.:)
400 bucks is a bad night for you? i have only made over 400 TWICE in the 3months i have been working...guess im moving to canada...and here 400 is certainly not equal to ten songs lol. ten songs at the nude club i work at which charges 40 a song is 240 take home money :-(


anyone know a club in LA that doesnt talk almost half of our money?

Bellona
07-19-2008, 02:31 PM
I always pictured LA having tons of awesome clubs with lots of cash potential..they take half of your dance money msonyxorg?

msonyxorb
07-19-2008, 02:46 PM
I always pictured LA having tons of awesome clubs with lots of cash potential..they take half of your dance money msonyxorg?
well i work at a spearmint rhino club and they are famous for taking half your money...but they are the only nude clubs here that are busy (and by busy i mean 4 customers in attendance by 8, 30 customers by 1am on a friday or sat)! besides maybe 4play which has farrr too many girls
every club i have worked at takes SOME portion of your dance money. i have yet to find a club here where you just pay a stage fee and keep everything you make. that would be a dream! here you pay a stage fee AND give away half your dance money to the house and in tips to the dj, manager, and floor guys..

you dont read stripper web often do you? la is known as one of the worst towns to dance in...there are several threads about it. or maybe those of us in LA on stripperweb are all just ugly and stupid and thats why we are not making money when other girls like you are making 1k a night
its prbly right, im just ugly and stupid :-(

Bellona
07-19-2008, 03:16 PM
??^^ I wasn't trying to be insulting, I'm sorry if you took it that way. And I do read stripperweb all the time I just wasn't aware of what the tip-outs were half.
And I do read stripperweb all the time, I just dont read every post, especially ones that have to do with clubs in areas I will never work.

TinaLatina1989
07-20-2008, 07:54 AM
I absolutely expect to be paid for my time and if I spend that time with less than a gentleman, I'll ask. My bff spent over an hour with a guy chatting on a busy nite. He said he was going to "take care" of her. Would you believe the guy gave her 20$ at the end! I've learned from that, so midway into say the second song I'll say let's go talk in the VIP area, its more private...they get the idea.

Guys slow nite or not, you are getting a service...the company of strippers! It is a slap in the face to spend time with a dancer and not compensate her. Reguardless of how interesting you are, we still have bills to pay

Golden_Rule
07-20-2008, 08:02 AM
... but I still don't get it (I sit around, talk, play games, etc., with my wife, friends, kids, neighbors, at social functions, at work, etc. I don't need that from a dancer -- I need a dance from a dancer).

I don't pretend to get either. It is what it is.


And I do admire very much those dancers who are able to get this kind of money. More power to them! ;D

I don't see what there is to admire about it? Don't get me wrong. I don't see what there is to disdain about it either. If there is a need and they are filling it without taking advantage of anyone it is a good thing. Symbiotic fulfilling of complementary needs. Attention for one. Money for the other.{shrugging shoulders}

Golden_Rule
07-20-2008, 08:15 AM
Guys slow nite or not, you are getting a service...the company of strippers! It is a slap in the face to spend time with a dancer and not compensate her. Reguardless of how interesting you are, we still have bills to pay

So, under my scenario above:


Let's she how far this goes.

I'm sitting in a club minding my own Ps&Qs. The place is dead. I mean dead. We know each other a bit because either we've spoken or we had a dance or two. You are bored to death and you decide to come over and chat. You say hello. I am non-committal to your presence, neither asking you to stay or to go. You ask if I want a dance and I say that I'm not quite feeling a dance just yet. You sit down and begin a conversation. I'm bored too so I respond and we chat for a half hour or so. You have every intention of getting up and leaving if you spot a prospect. I have every intention of giving you no problem with that.

Recap: I didn't initiate. I didn't cultivate. I merely participated when you engaged me. I didn't ask you to stay. I won't keep you from leaving.

Do I owe you anything?

Just double checking: You'd expect to be paid simply because I didn't tell you to go away?

TinaLatina1989
07-20-2008, 09:22 AM
A tip would be nice, would I want a couple hundred$$ yes but I wouldn't expect it...in that scenario, I am guessing you are just making polite conversation because you are a nice guy.

FstSxyTiffany
07-20-2008, 10:07 AM
It's a balance between conversation and being professional as far as trying to get privates etc.

5-10 minutes between sets is okay, it's when guys want to tellyou their lifestory or how much this sucks etc that is kinda lame.

Golden_Rule
07-20-2008, 05:51 PM
A tip would be nice, would I want a couple hundred$$ yes but I wouldn't expect it...in that scenario, I am guessing you are just making polite conversation because you are a nice guy.

Well, I probably wouldn't define myself as nice. Only because some of the people I know who toss that word around to define themselves are some of the biggest hypocrites and mean spirited people I know. :)

What I try to be is a very FAIR man. I never take more than I am willing to give and as the screen name implies, I try to treat others the way I would expect to be treated myself [and expect nothing less than that in return].

wishing well...

yoda57us
07-20-2008, 06:12 PM
I can't believe that we have generated 75 posts worth of shock and awe over what dancers charge for their services. Honestly WTF and who cares? Go to the club and do whatever you do. Pay for dances or don't. Pay for conversation or don't.

25 years ago there were no lap dances. In my first favorite club you got a dancer to sit with you by offering her a drink and giving her $20 dollar bills every fifteen or twenty minutes to stick around until she went back on stage or until you ran out of $20's. Payment for conversation is not a new concept. While era of the lap dance has brought with it the "what do I get for my money" mentality from the customer it has not changed the fact that dancers come to work to earn.

Golden_Rule
07-21-2008, 06:35 AM
25 years ago there were no lap dances. In my first favorite club you got a dancer to sit with you by offering her a drink and giving her $20 dollar bills every fifteen or twenty minutes to stick around until she went back on stage or until you ran out of $20's. Payment for conversation is not a new concept.

You do realize that in most clubs where this was the practice [B joints, aka clip-joints], like Adam & Eve in Manhattan, etc, those $20's weren't actually for conversation but the hand-job that was taking place hidden by the table top?

So in fact it wasn't conversation that was being paid for.

jaizaine
07-21-2008, 07:37 AM
goddamn girl, how do you do it? do guys ever get mad when you say you charge? if i tried to pull this guys would just call me a money grubbing whore. i can rarely get guys to spend 300 in dances from me much less pay me 300 bucks to just sit and talk to them! is it that much different in australia than in the US or are you just extraordinarily beautiful? I feel like such worthless shit whenever i go on here and see how much girls charge and get for their time.

edit: nevermind i thought you meant talking on the floor. but still, damn.

No I've never got a custie who got mad about it. As I said I dont offer it on the floor but if a customer asks how much to book me for an hour, thats the price and it's the same for dances or conversation. If a custie called me a money grubbing whore I'd slap his face and then get him removed by security. My club doesn't allow us to get disrespected like that. $300 in dances would be a 1/3 of what would be an average night in Melbourne for reasonably attractive dancers and/or good hustlers.

jaizaine
07-21-2008, 07:40 AM
I can't believe that we have generated 75 posts worth of shock and awe over what dancers charge for their services. Honestly WTF and who cares? Go to the club and do whatever you do. Pay for dances or don't. Pay for conversation or don't.



Thank-you. Seriously some of these posters are acting like it's coming out of their damn pocket! Get over it. Some guys don't have budgets and they choose freely to pay this sort of money. It's not at all uncommon at my club, I'm not the only one who has a regular who does this, plenty of the girls do. Some customers spend $800+ on one dancer in a night.
It's not your money and not your concern.
I'm not saying it's good value for money or it's worth it coz I wouldn't pay it myself but seriously 4 pages of arguing over what other people choose to spend their money on, some of u need hobbies.

yoda57us
07-21-2008, 04:53 PM
You do realize that in most clubs where this was the practice [B joints, aka clip-joints], like Adam & Eve in Manhattan, etc, those $20's weren't actually for conversation but the hand-job that was taking place hidden by the table top?

So in fact it wasn't conversation that was being paid for.

GR, do me a favor OK, Don't try and tell me what happened in a club in a northern suburb of Boston 20 years ago that I spent three or four nights a week in for most of the mid to late 80's. OK?

If you want to talk about what YOU saw in the clubs YOU went to thats fine and frickin' dandy but don't come on here telling me that I don't know what I saw with my own two eyes.

Sheesh...that's over the top even for you!

yoda57us
07-21-2008, 04:57 PM
I'm not saying it's good value for money or it's worth it coz I wouldn't pay it myself but seriously 4 pages of arguing over what other people choose to spend their money on, some of u need hobbies.

And that is the whole point. I wouldn't pay it either. I'd much rather buy dances! The fact is the words "strip club" and "value" don't really belong in the same sentence anyway. We go because we enjoy it and we spend in a way that we enjoy spending. To each his own.

doc-catfish
07-21-2008, 05:22 PM
Perhaps a better way to look at this subject is to look at it mathematically. If a dancer is working and there's some guy willing to pay her 100% of the going rate for a lap dance, regardless of whether its for dances, conversation, or playing Jenga, is there any logical reason that she should accept any less, even if it is for a lesser service?
:teacher:

That withstanding, if you can get a gal to chat for a lesser amount, more power to you. I'd say the closer you get to that 100%, or at least her actual hourly average, the more likelihood of success you'll have.
:idea:

FWIW, I go for the dances, but I see guys in clubs (usually older lonely ones) paying through the nose for "dancer drinks" all the time. While I'd never pay that kind of money for what they are getting, I won't begrudge them for making the expenditure. Its their money, not mine.
:shrug:

msonyxorb
07-21-2008, 09:37 PM
No I've never got a custie who got mad about it. As I said I dont offer it on the floor but if a customer asks how much to book me for an hour, thats the price and it's the same for dances or conversation. If a custie called me a money grubbing whore I'd slap his face and then get him removed by security. My club doesn't allow us to get disrespected like that. $300 in dances would be a 1/3 of what would be an average night in Melbourne for reasonably attractive dancers and/or good hustlers.
You are so lucky. Here in LA guys expect to talk for free and have never heard the term "booking out" and the customer is always right. Even if a guy is not spending a cent on the dancers management will take his side so long as he is buying drinks.

msonyxorb
07-21-2008, 09:39 PM
GR, do me a favor OK, Don't try and tell me what happened in a club in a northern suburb of Boston 20 years ago that I spent three or four nights a week in for most of the mid to late 80's. OK?

If you want to talk about what YOU saw in the clubs YOU went to thats fine and frickin' dandy but don't come on here telling me that I don't know what I saw with my own two eyes.

Sheesh...that's over the top even for you!

seriously, that is like one guy who gets extras in a trashy club saying that what youre paying for when you pay for a 20 dollar dance is a handjob, not a dance because thats what HE personally experienced.

Jenny
07-22-2008, 05:28 AM
I don't know - I have my doubts that their derision was engendered by the amount that he paid them. It may have had something to do with his character and what he paid them to put up with.

Luke34
07-22-2008, 05:30 AM
Sorry Jenny, I went to edit a typo and I deleted my post.

attached again

Whilst my original question has been answered, it was never about what chat rate represented "good value". It was about someone who gave me something (their time) when I had nothing to give back and now advised me in their own way that they were trading the friendship (be it my perception) for a business deal. I was looking for advice on the going rate if one existed and not to negotiate it nor evaluate it.

However, from the replies, I do have one observation to share

I did know one person who paid dancers around $800 each almost every night to just hang around and have drinks. This went on for years and as far as I know still continues. Whilst a number of dancers relied on this person as a source of income, to the best of my knowledge, he was referred to as a meal ticket and other less complimentary terms by the dancers who took his money.

There is a saying which I think has Native American (hope I have the politically correct term) origins "It is as much a fault to give too much, as it is to take too much. Both breed contempt equally".

bem401
07-22-2008, 05:50 AM
To each his own.

This is the exact reason I've avoided comment so far. Personally I don't get the whole idea of paying someone to keep me company, but if the parties involved have no problems with it, who am I to comment. Like Yoda said, "to each his own".

clelie.cutie
07-22-2008, 08:46 AM
If you tip a hot girl for her time, she will remember you the next time you come in.

If a hot girl spends a lot of time with you and you don't tip her for her time, she will remember you the next time you come in.

I am using that in my signature.

Golden_Rule
07-22-2008, 09:36 AM
GR, do me a favor OK, Don't try and tell me what happened in a club in a northern suburb of Boston 20 years ago that I spent three or four nights a week in for most of the mid to late 80's. OK?

If you want to talk about what YOU saw in the clubs YOU went to thats fine and frickin' dandy but don't come on here telling me that I don't know what I saw with my own two eyes.

Sheesh...that's over the top even for you!

That is precisely what I was doing. Which is why I mentioned the location and one of the clubs I was using as a reference point for the comment.

Sorry if I offended. Don't be so sensitive. :)

Golden_Rule
07-22-2008, 09:50 AM
seriously, that is like one guy who gets extras in a trashy club saying that what youre paying for when you pay for a 20 dollar dance is a handjob, not a dance because thats what HE personally experienced.

Oh, come on now. That is seriously a stretch.

BTW, Adam & Eve positioned itself as a high end dance club. It even advertised on TV during late night. It was, in its day, what the Hustler and Penthouse Executive Clubs are today. A place for well heeled dudes [$20 every couple of minutes in the late 70's-early 80s was big money back then - the average annual salary for most working stiffs was around $10k/year] to pay to play while pretending they were enjoying a "classy" evening out.

Now if guys were tossing that kind of money at gals, the equivalent of handing a woman something around $75 [when adjusted for inflation] every few minutes just to sit at a table and talk to them that is all well and good. To each their own.

What it isn't is normal [not a judgemental reference, it simply means the VAST MAJORITY of guys wouldn't do it, so it is not the norm, thus not normal]. So you have to allow for guys who are normal, strictly in the fashion as described above -ie behave in the way the vast majority would, to be confused by a behavior they wouldn't do themselves, have no point of reference for, and thus don't understand it.

Golden_Rule
07-22-2008, 09:55 AM
This is the exact reason I've avoided comment so far. Personally I don't get the whole idea of paying someone to keep me company, but if the parties involved have no problems with it, who am I to comment. Like Yoda said, "to each his own".


Absolutely agreed, right up to the point about commenting.

We are human beings. We ALL comment. It is human nature to do so and what we do best. :)

I just tend to do the majority of mine out front, in the open, and to people's faces instead to their backs. I appreciate the same in others, even when at my expense [though they better be prepared to receive at least as well as they give :) ] .

msonyxorb
07-22-2008, 07:52 PM
Oh, come on now. That is seriously a stretch.

BTW, Adam & Eve positioned itself as a high end dance club. It even advertised on TV during late night. It was, in its day, what the Hustler and Penthouse Executive Clubs are today. A place for well heeled dudes [$20 every couple of minutes in the late 70's-early 80s was big money back then - the average annual salary for most working stiffs was around $10k/year] to pay to play while pretending they were enjoying a "classy" evening out.

Now if guys were tossing that kind of money at gals, the equivalent of handing a woman something around $75 [when adjusted for inflation] every few minutes just to sit at a table and talk to them that is all well and good. To each their own.

What it isn't is normal [not a judgemental reference, it simply means the VAST MAJORITY of guys wouldn't do it, so it is not the norm, thus not normal]. So you have to allow for guys who are normal, strictly in the fashion as described above -ie behave in the way the vast majority would, to be confused by a behavior they wouldn't do themselves, have no point of reference for, and thus don't understand it.

okay, and the vast majority wouldnt spend 40 bucks on a 2.5 minute lap dance either, yet people who go to strip clubs do it, often not expecting extras

Golden_Rule
07-22-2008, 09:00 PM
okay, and the vast majority wouldnt spend 40 bucks on a 2.5 minute lap dance either, yet people who go to strip clubs do it, often not expecting extras

Sure. Absolutely. No doubt.

jaizaine
07-23-2008, 12:38 AM
I did know one person who paid dancers around $800 each almost every night to just hang around and have drinks. This went on for years and as far as I know still continues. Whilst a number of dancers relied on this person as a source of income, to the best of my knowledge, he was referred to as a meal ticket and other less complimentary terms by the dancers who took his money.

There is a saying which I think has Native American (hope I have the politically correct term) origins "It is as much a fault to give too much, as it is to take too much. Both breed contempt equally".

I think I know who this man is.....

lestat1
07-23-2008, 01:04 AM
Okay I'm so shy that a dancer would have to pay me to endure an hour of straight conversation, and even I can fathom why a guy might pay hundreds per hour for it. To each his or her own. If you can get X$ for YZConvo, go for it.

kitana
07-23-2008, 04:50 AM
Astonishment at a $300/hr "chat rate" = I'm bitter? Interesting viewpoint.

If that = bitter, I guess I'd rather be bitter than so desperately pathetic and lonely that I would pay someone $300 just to talk to them for an hour. I mean, you're talking Dr. Phil rates. Damn, girl.

And some of us have degrees in psych as well, only we haven't been hit with sanctions (and thusly not allowed to practice ANYWHERE legally in the USA) and have poor business ethics and shitty morals.

Not to mention even the worst looking strip club girl, still looks better than Phil does, and is much better to cuddle with, lol!}:D

yoda57us
07-23-2008, 05:23 AM
That is precisely what I was doing. Which is why I mentioned the location and one of the clubs I was using as a reference point for the comment.

Sorry if I offended. Don't be so sensitive. :)

LOL GR, spare me the "who me? What did I say" BS ok...

If you had simply told the story of what YOU saw instead of telling me that what I saw wasn't what I saw then I wouldn't be typing this right now...

Golden_Rule
07-23-2008, 07:06 AM
LOL GR, spare me the "who me? What did I say" BS ok...

If you had simply told the story of what YOU saw instead of telling me that what I saw wasn't what I saw then I wouldn't be typing this right now...

There he goes again. [doing my best Ronald Reagan]

I said my opinion of what I saw. I didn't tell you what you saw. Only YOU know what you saw.

You do know you tend to read me with a negative spin so that sometimes what you read isn't remotely like what I wrote. ;)

Jenny
07-23-2008, 08:28 AM
GR:

You do realize that in most clubs where this was the practice [B joints, aka clip-joints], like Adam & Eve in Manhattan, etc, those $20's weren't actually for conversation but the hand-job that was taking place hidden by the table top?

So in fact it wasn't conversation that was being paid for.

I mean, you were clearly contradicting Yoda's statement that payment for conversation was nothing new. You didn't say "Well in my experience at this club this was what was happening." You said "Actually what was being paid for in most clubs was a handjob, not conversation."

yoda57us
07-23-2008, 05:20 PM
You do know you tend to read me with a negative spin so that sometimes what you read isn't remotely like what I wrote. ;)

LOL, GR, as I have said many times, especially where your posts are concerned, I read posts, not minds. The words you typed are a clearly an attempt at contradicting my observation, not simply adding to it with one of your own.

I don't read anyone here with a negative spin including you. That would be counterproductive to my even bothering to participate on the board. If you bugged me enough that I couldn't be objective I would simply put you on ignore. What fun would that be?

Golden_Rule
07-23-2008, 09:12 PM
GR:


I mean, you were clearly contradicting Yoda's statement that payment for conversation was nothing new. You didn't say "Well in my experience at this club this was what was happening." You said "Actually what was being paid for in most clubs was a handjob, not conversation."

Right. I clearly contradicted a stated opinion with one of my own.

Yoda said I told him what he saw and I said stating an opinion isn't telling someone they didn't see what they say they saw. Its saying you saw different.

BTW, the statement of the opinion [mine] wasn't that paying for conversation isn't old hat. It was that paying that much money to sex workers isn't usually simply for conversation.

Now, if you want to state that when men give sex workers large amounts of money more times than not what is taking place is simply conversation then you do that, but we both know it would be stretching the lines of the believable.

The VAST majority of the time when men give women in the sex industry large sums of money they, at the very least, expect or anticipate sex. They may not get it but that is what they are looking for. I'll even go out on a limb here and say that the when goodly amounts of money changes hands more often than not there is some form of sex that takes place. Making the "dry hustle" the exception and not the norm in when large amounts of money are changing hands.

Golden_Rule
07-23-2008, 09:14 PM
LOL, GR, as I have said many times, especially where your posts are concerned, I read posts, not minds. The words you typed are a clearly an attempt at contradicting my observation, not simply adding to it with one of your own.

Not your observations, which are uniquely your own. The opinion you drew from them.

Wishing well... :)

jaizaine
07-24-2008, 01:51 AM
Now, if you want to state that when men give sex workers large amounts of money more times than not what is taking place is simply conversation then you do that, but we both know it would be stretching the lines of the believable.

The VAST majority of the time when men give women in the sex industry large sums of money they, at the very least, expect or anticipate sex. They may not get it but that is what they are looking for. I'll even go out on a limb here and say that the when goodly amounts of money changes hands more often than not there is some form of sex that takes place. Making the "dry hustle" the exception and not the norm in when large amounts of money are changing hands.

maybe where u r from but that doesnt apply here. if that were the case and the guy wanted sex, he would go around the corner from the club and pay the meager $60 for it at the brothel. prostitution is legal here so thankfully our strip clubs are pretty clean. an extra might be letting a guy touch your boob or something.

i know it's hard for u to believe and i truly dont care whether u believe it or not but men where i'm from pay huge amounts of money just to spend time with us ladies. on sat night a man paid my friend who i work with $515 in total to sit and laugh with him. he wasn't even interested in a dance.