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keira0304
07-14-2008, 04:54 PM
Cam- I'm sure I'll catch you around my way eventually and we can go chat :)

^There are some people that have pre-birth memories, and past life regression can be done through hypnosis, so... before we were born, we were souls.

I'm really surprised that so many of you do not believe in souls. How do you explain love then? Just two organisms having a biological attraction to eachaother charged by emotions caused by hormones in the brain? There is proof that in the womb, very early on, there is a little spark of electricity that jump starts the heart and brain. It's also been proven that when you die, the same amount of electricity leaves the body. The energy had to come from somewhere, and has to leave and go somewhere else. I just don't understand how you can honestly say you don't believe we have souls. We are all soul less? That is incomprehensible. How do you explain love, NDE's, psychic ability, paranormal activity, deja-vu, and our connection with dolphins? How do you explain yoga, meditation, positive manifestation?

I mean... I guess there can be some individuals out there who have not experienced any of the above.... but I find it kind of hard to believe.

StarryEyes
07-14-2008, 05:39 PM
^^ I agree Keira. Our bodies need our souls, or spirits to live. Without the soul, the body just becomes a shell.

Also, how would you explain auras? Auras consist of the energy that makes us who we are.

During my NDE I had no arms or legs or brain or anything. But I was a spirit, an energy. I could still think and feel and I was conscious of it being an NDE. And I was alone. There was no doctor fooling around with my brain or anything.

Jeska
07-14-2008, 06:26 PM
I believe in an afterlife, because I was raised catholic and those beliefs will always be stuck with me.


http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp
Although this experiment remained inconclusive, I still think the results were interesting.

Paris
07-14-2008, 06:55 PM
How do you explain love, NDE's, psychic ability, paranormal activity, deja-vu, and our connection with dolphins? How do you explain yoga, meditation, positive manifestation?

I mean... I guess there can be some individuals out there who have not experienced any of the above.... but I find it kind of hard to believe.

I don't know about some of the other things, but Deja vu is a little like how the brain turns the upside down image on the retina right side up. Deja Vu happens mostly to young people, and is caused when the mind is searching for a reference point in a similar pattern of sensory input. You get the sensation of a memory experience when something is happening in real time. It passes quickly once the brain realizes that this is not a memory but a new event that it is experiencing. It happens to about 70% of all people.

Our connection with dolphins has more to do with our connection with the planet on the whole. I feel connected to plants, bodies of water, animals, sand, rocks and so on. We are part of the earth and the earth is part of us. We can't exist without the earth, so of course we feel connected to it.

I'm not sure why you threw in Yoga and meditation. Those things don't seem very mysterious to me (I do both regularly).

I don't try to surmise what happens to our consciousness when we die. I'm not sure what it means to have a "soul" either.

Paris
07-14-2008, 07:00 PM
^^ I agree Keira. Our bodies need our souls, or spirits to live. Without the soul, the body just becomes a shell.

Also, how would you explain auras? Auras consist of the energy that makes us who we are.

During my NDE I had no arms or legs or brain or anything. But I was a spirit, an energy. I could still think and feel and I was conscious of it being an NDE. And I was alone. There was no doctor fooling around with my brain or anything.

Just out of curiosity, who brought you back once you had died? Did you wake in an ambulance or something?

UtahMike
07-14-2008, 10:14 PM
You know how it was like before you were born? Yea, like that... dead, gone, nonexistant, etc. Sure, after-life would be cool, but I'm not going to fool myself. I don't believe in a soul. No one has ever proven any sort of existance of a soul. However, they have proven the existance of a brain.

Try really hard now to prove your own existence to me if I choose to believe that you are a figment of my imagination.

madmaxine
07-14-2008, 10:20 PM
Paranormal activity - don't believe in it. The mind constantly plays tricks on the body through optical illusions and the like. Also, seek and you shall find. If you're looking for ghosts or spirits you're more likely to accept "evidence" based on the slightest happening.[quote]

I have to disagree with this....Those who know me characterize me as cynical, paranoid and a lover of science- NOT someone who extrapolates from one tiny thing to reach a subjectively desired conclusion. My "belief" in the possibility of paranormal occurences comes from personal experiences.....

[quote]I just don't think life is fair.

^OK, but do agree with you on that! :P

LuckyOne
07-14-2008, 11:20 PM
I think when you die you're dead. You live on only through whatever you created during your lifetime.

VegasPrincess
07-14-2008, 11:31 PM
I believe that you die, and you sort of get evaluated on your life.

If you really did your best to love your fellow man/ be a good person/whatever...

I belive you go to Purgatory, and "pay for" your debt, or your sins, however you phrase it there. I believe in purgatory because I believe you can be an awful person and changed your ways to good before death and still go to heaven, but that you have to pay for what you did on Earth.

I believe after that, you go to Heaven, forever. I imagine Heaven is just like a higher level of conciousness and hapiness.

I think if you were a bad person (like somebody that fucked everybody over for their own gain, murder, rapist, just evil) you spend eternity in a lake of fire. Just like that Nirvana song. Thats where bad folks go when they die ;)

Corgan
07-14-2008, 11:47 PM
Oh Lord I could tell you a lot about that!! LOL!!

I actually did die and I came back to life.

My spirit buzzed out of my body (yes there are spirits. We ARE spirits having a physical experience), floated around the room, didn't see my reflection in the mirror. It was cool! Very peaceful. And I knew that I had "died" but I didn't care how, didn't care about my body which lay below me. I saw a tunnel but didn't go in because I instinctively knew that if I went in I would progress into my death and not come back to life. I didn't feel ready to progress, and the moment I had that thought I was slammed back into my body and jolted awake. The next morning a bright light filled my room. This light was awesome. It didn't hurt my eyes but it was powerful and it loved me. It revealed many truths abut my life, gave me an assignment, and left me feeling super energized and loved. I noticed after the experience, I no longer needed to drink energy drinks or caffeine, I looked about 10 years younger, and people wanted to be around me more. It was miraculous and I cherish the experience.

I learned from the light how important it is to love and respect each other, and not to judge one another. I also learned that we live in a world of illusion, that things are often not what they seem.

But as far as reincarnation goes...I don't know! I wish I got more info on that. I did not experience hell (um, thank God!) and the while the whole thing was very nice. I also must say that suicide does not serve anyone. Life can suck sometimes but that is when you are experienceing tremendous times of growth and after it passes, you become a lot stronger. The shitty times make you stronger.

No, we dont' just go into the ground. Our spirits never die. And when it is time for us to pass on, it is very nice and pleasant and fun! There was nothing unnatural about the experience and if I ever faced death again I would not be afraid at all.

this made me really happy! my grandma just passed away a few months ago and when she was in the hospital the doctor had given me these religous charms she had with her. he was like, i'm assuming this was on her necklace... and i know she didn't wear a necklace with a charm on it. they were catholic charms and it gave me peace though... because she KNEW she was going to die and she was ready. that's why she had taken them out of her purse. i believe that there is another realm, if that is what we call heaven, and spirits thrive there.