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Golden_Rule
07-22-2008, 10:21 AM
only if you don't hold the expectation of reciprocal behavior in return. fairness like honesty is sometimes it's own reward in a sc.

Actually I don't treat SCs any differently than I treat any other environment. So I not only expect it, I demand it. If I don't get it I cut the person off, figuratively of course :), at the knees. I'm not into situational ethics.

Its the old, "I don't hand out a lot of shit, but I'm not willing to take much either.", mode for me.

That said, there is a time and a place where it is to be expected that one is going to give a little and not likely to get anything back for it. When it happens one shrugs their shoulders and moves on.


not from me.

Always appreciated. :)

Unlike me you seem far less apt to run your head into walls trying to get folks to see what is simply fair play as just that: fair.

Dare I say that probably suggests you are a wiser man than me.

xdamage
07-22-2008, 11:03 AM
Actually I don't treat SCs any differently than I treat any other environment. So I not only expect it, I demand it. If I don't get it I cut the person off, figuratively of course :), at the knees. I'm not into situational ethics.


I admit I am into situational ethics so my expectations in the SC don't completely match what I expect elsewhere. A couple of things stand out in my mind that make the SC an unusual place:

1.) Sexuality is involved. I'm convinced that where sex is involved, many primal instincts and emotions come into play that don't come into play when one is doing a business deal over a thing or neutral service.

2.) Customers often want their cake and eat it too. "Lie to me, tell me things I want to hear, make me feel good about myself, BUT don't do too good of a job, so that I begin to actually believe it and over spend based on a lie. " It's a strange basis on which to expect honesty. Many customers find this disturbing, particularly when a dancer brags about leading someone on that she senses is emotionally immature. But I allow for the situational ethics here and while I'd think less of it OTC, customers are heavy participants in wanting to be told what they want to hear.

What I cannot tolerate is blatant theft (e.g., stealing money, over charging, lying about pricing, etc.). This type of behavior is intolerable to me in all environments.

Golden_Rule
07-22-2008, 12:21 PM
1.) Sexuality is involved. I'm convinced that where sex is involved, many primal instincts and emotions come into play that don't come into play when one is doing a business deal over a thing or neutral service.

Sexuality is involved. A highly emotional thing when between a man and woman who either are, or dabbling in, having true feelings about each other.

So what better way to play it safe, for both sides, than to remove the emotional component from the equation and treat it like a straight forward business deal.


2.) Customers often want their cake and eat it too. "Lie to me, tell me things I want to hear, make me feel good about myself, BUT don't do too good of a job, so that I begin to actually believe it and over spend based on a lie. " It's a strange basis on which to expect honesty.

Ah, but again, some customers treat strip-clubs the way they treat a restaurant. "I'd like to know if I can order items not on the menu, please? If I can, how much would that be?". No lying required in that. In fact, lying becomes contraindicated to the conducting of a good transaction. All that is required is a little trust so that honest information can be passed between parties that MAY have mutual interest in filling mutual needs.


Many customers find this disturbing, particularly when a dancer brags about leading someone on that she senses is emotionally immature. But I allow for the situational ethics here and while I'd think less of it OTC, customers are heavy participants in wanting to be told what they want to hear.

Some customers. SOME. I don't want to be told what I want to hear. I want to be told what I need to know. BIG difference.

If I am in a club and its not looking to recruit potential dancers for private parties I am looking to be entertained. Once I establish, on my own, what I am looking for by way of entertainment [and as I have said many times it runs the gamut] and I have found someone who has interested me in providing said entertainment all I need to know is if she is willing, and if she is what is her necessary level of compensation.

Its either business-business or monkey-business. Either way its still business and that is the way I treat it. My ego is big enough that I don't need it stroked. It would just make it bigger and then I wouldn't be able to get out the door I came in. :) My Id and super ego are just fine as well. I don't need a dancer pretending to be interested in me or telling me how my presence is driving her to distraction to the point that she just has to drag me into the VIP [right after I pay for the privileged :) ], etc, etc, etc. It would ring as false as the sound track on a bad porno. "O'baby... give me that big dick. Oh. Oh. OH!" ::) I'd have a very hard time not doubling up, I'd be laughing that hard at the shear absurdity of it.

It isn't as cold and sterile as I am making it sound either. Its PLAY after all. And just because the emotional level is dialed down to low that doesn't mean it can't also be friendly. Friendly business can be the best kind of business. Especially if it is friendly monkey-business. :D

xdamage
07-22-2008, 01:38 PM
^^^

If it works for you that is great.

But I am not surprised that not everyone is so clear minded about the SC experience.

SCs though are constantly seeing a new stream of young customers and young dancers. There is a time when both are naive and free of the callouses many of us have.