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red red red
07-19-2008, 11:27 PM
Just for thought.

I read a business book that said you should always look to the new people in the company for suggestions. What they see is what most of the people in the business have chosen to ignore or accept because 'that's just the way it is'. A new person is likely to shed light on a subject and have unique ideas compared to older employees who have accepted the situation.

In reality, we've all thought about this.. but it can't happen because none of us can actually implement it. And we all know who can...

Sounds good in theory. But I think of SW as a big dressing room. And this advice is like when the girl that was hired last month comes up to you and whispers, "don't tell anyone, but you can make more money if you stick your tongue in their ears. also, tip outs suck! we should organize and revolt!"

princessparis
07-19-2008, 11:41 PM
Sounds good in theory. But I think of SW as a big dressing room. And this advice is like when the girl that was hired last month comes up to you and whispers, "don't tell anyone, but you can make more money if you stick your tongue in their ears. also, tip outs suck! we should organize and revolt!"

Hmmm... i personally disagree... that's too much of a blanket statement to back up logically cause...

just cause a girl is new to SW doesn't mean she's new to dancing

And just cause a girl is new to dancing doesn't mean that she doesn't have experience in psychology or sales that could produce innovative techniques and just because one new girl is a total dumb ass doesn't mean that the next new girl isn't a prodigal genius.... I mean statistically there are way more dumb asses than geniuses, but there are way more above average intellectuals than there are total retards... statistically.

Anyhow the exact argument that you gave has already been talked about and refuted in this thread. At least come up with an original rebuttal to the previous rebuttal!

I think that is becoming my biggest pet peeve... even more than senseless negativity... that people don't read the thread before posting... it's way worse than posting a topic before trying to use the search function! I mean it's like jumping into a conversation when you don't even know what they are talking about...

I understand that it's a lot to read through, but it's funny how people that insist that newer girls on the site labor through reading through old threads before posting new ones won't even read the whole thread that they are responding to... theres a word for that....

oh well. I'll try to keep my peevedness to myself. Just thought it was an interesting dynamic of the conversation....

Lysondra
07-19-2008, 11:46 PM
Hmmm... i personally disagree... that's too much of a blanket statement to back up logically cause...

just cause a girl is new to SW doesn't mean she's new to dancing

And just cause a girl is new to dancing doesn't mean that she doesn't have experience in psychology or sales that could produce innovative techniques


:yes: That's exactly the kind of thinking my business book gave. People from other employments who started your company could know things from previous experience that made things move smoother that the older people got used to, never noticed or were forced to ignore.

I was just making a point. I did read your whole thread but I had nothing to elaborate on the topic other than maybe some food for thought... nothing more. Nothing less.

red red red
07-20-2008, 12:03 AM
Hmmm... i personally disagree... that's too much of a blanket statement to back up logically cause...

just cause a girl is new to SW doesn't mean she's new to dancing

And just cause a girl is new to dancing doesn't mean that she doesn't have experience in psychology or sales that could produce innovative techniques and just because one new girl is a total dumb ass doesn't mean that the next new girl isn't a prodigal genius.... I mean statistically there are way more dumb asses than geniuses, but there are way more above average intellectuals than there are total retards... statistically.

Anyhow the exact argument that you gave has already been talked about and refuted in this thread. At least come up with an original rebuttal to the previous rebuttal!

I think that is becoming my biggest pet peeve... even more than senseless negativity... that people don't read the thread before posting... it's way worse than posting a topic before trying to use the search function! I mean it's like jumping into a conversation when you don't even know what they are talking about...

I understand that it's a lot to read through, but it's funny how people that insist that newer girls on the site labor through reading through old threads before posting new ones won't even read the whole thread that they are responding to... theres a word for that....

oh well. I'll try to keep my peevedness to myself. Just thought it was an interesting dynamic of the conversation....

Oh no... you misunderstood. It was an analogy. You know, like on the SATs?

New posters on SW : New girls at a strip club

Not that they are literally one in the same.

Rebutt my cranky old stripper ass, whippersnapper.

MsQwerty
07-20-2008, 12:05 AM
The thing is that not many are going to read threads that are long, unoriginal, repetitive and condescending especially when written by strangers.
Not meaning to sound mean, just saying (-:

princessparis
07-20-2008, 12:06 AM
The thing is that not many are going to read threads that are long, unoriginal, repetitive and condescending especially when written by strangers.
Not meaning to sound mean, just saying (-:

If you don't want to read them then why do you want to respond to them?

MsQwerty
07-20-2008, 12:09 AM
If you don't want to read them then why do you want to respond to them?


I dont generally :)

princessparis
07-20-2008, 12:17 AM
If you didn't want to respond then why did you? esp when you didn't read the whole post...

I know you found it long, repetitive, unoriginal and condescending.... and the first two yeah, maybe it got that way, but perhaps if you had actually read the whole thing you could have found parts that were original and parts that made it NOT so condescending.

But whatever... do what you want to do and think what you want to think. There's also a word for limiting your perspective.... (which is what you do when you don't read a whole post)

Perry
07-20-2008, 12:27 AM
There's gonna be another these (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116561&highlight=who+belongs+on) if this goes on much longer. So lets just wait for Pryce.

Yeah, it's long. And it's not pretty.

MsQwerty
07-20-2008, 12:31 AM
If you didn't want to respond then why did you? esp when you didn't read the whole post...

I know you found it long, repetitive, unoriginal and condescending.... and the first two yeah, maybe it got that way, but perhaps if you had actually read the whole thing you could have found parts that were original and parts that made it NOT so condescending.

But whatever... do what you want to do and think what you want to think. There's also a word for limiting your perspective.... (which is what you do when you don't read a whole post)

I didnt say I didnt read the whole post /:O

princessparis
07-20-2008, 12:57 AM
^^ my bad... i thought that that's what you were implying. I apologize if you found my post condescending too I tried my best to make it not come off that way. I don't know who it would be condescending to though... to the girls that are being condescending to people that don't use the search or girls that have been here for a while? Who is it condescending towards? Btw you didn't answer the first question in my last post but whatever. I know your just trying to help. maybe we should continue this in a PM?





ANYWAYS..... why the hell isn't the damn search function working when I type in "OTC" ? WTF! I just want to find some good comebacks for solicitations to see guys otc! I tried the terms pick up artists and pick up lines but i mean its returning hundreds of unrelated threads to what i want to know. Any other terms i could try?

Lysondra
07-20-2008, 12:59 AM
It has to be over three letters.

Elvia
07-20-2008, 01:09 AM
Princess,

If it's any consolation, I found your post very polite and not condescending at all. Not to mention, something that really needed to be said. Welcome to SW, you're a breath of fresh air to me.

britt244
07-20-2008, 01:23 AM
Hmmm... i personally disagree... that's too much of a blanket statement to back up logically cause...

just cause a girl is new to SW doesn't mean she's new to dancing

And just cause a girl is new to dancing doesn't mean that she doesn't have experience in psychology or sales that could produce innovative techniques and just because one new girl is a total dumb ass doesn't mean that the next new girl isn't a prodigal genius.... I mean statistically there are way more dumb asses than geniuses, but there are way more above average intellectuals than there are total retards... statistically.

Anyhow the exact argument that you gave has already been talked about and refuted in this thread. At least come up with an original rebuttal to the previous rebuttal!

I think that is becoming my biggest pet peeve... even more than senseless negativity... that people don't read the thread before posting... it's way worse than posting a topic before trying to use the search function! I mean it's like jumping into a conversation when you don't even know what they are talking about...

I understand that it's a lot to read through, but it's funny how people that insist that newer girls on the site labor through reading through old threads before posting new ones won't even read the whole thread that they are responding to... theres a word for that....

oh well. I'll try to keep my peevedness to myself. Just thought it was an interesting dynamic of the conversation....

where have you seen anyone who has said a girl should "labor" through reading old threads (though you totally ignored my point.. why should girls labor through reposting things theyve already posted?) not want people to read the whole thread? no offense, but i think it's just YOUR posts people arent reading the entire thing of, because they are all very long. i dont like when people dont read the whole thread. lots of people dont. theres been a thread on THAT, even.

princessparis
07-20-2008, 01:44 AM
I'm positive no one used that exact word but it can feel laborious to hash through old posts... The word "labor" was my personal adjective that I used to try to establish my case.

Also I know that a lot of my posts are long which i apologize for.... but there is no doubt that not ALL of them are so long. Which if you click on my name and then click the "find more posts by princessparis" link you will find out. Also, when you are making a complex argument you are often not able to condense all the necessary points to make said argument which has been the case in this thread.

I have been reading a lot of old threads and found that it is common throughout all of SW (not just to my posts) that people don't read thoroughly before responding... I did not know that there is a thread addressing it, but I'll be sure to reference it next time I need to make that point to save the time of having to make it myself!

Anyhow the topic of this thread is how we should handle this whole search function issue... not why princessparis's posts are so shitty. The most effective thing would be to keep to the topic at hand.

BTW... Thank you Elvia, I was really just trying to help. I understand that that pisses a lot of people off, but I've really tried to do it in the most civil and diplomatic way possible.

I think the best thing would be to wait for Pryce as well.

britt244
07-20-2008, 01:46 AM
i never said your posts were shitty. i gave a reason why people may not be reading them, and i stated my opinion, which is that it irks me that someone new to the site comes and thinks she's going to fix everything and make it alllllll better now.

but not once did i say anything negative about you or say that your posts were shitty. i said you havent been around long enough to start trying to fix the "problems" of the site for more than one reason.

and, uh.. wait for pryce. really.. do some poking around. not to be bitchy and say do a search in your thread about not liking that.. but that's pretty funny. believe me, this particular issue isn't even on his radar.. if any of them are.

Perry
07-20-2008, 01:54 AM
^^ Agreed. We're going to keep dividing the members of this site on who wants what when really WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. There will be flame wars, butt hurt, members leaving... Just more drama and nast.

princessparis
07-20-2008, 02:00 AM
I understand that it's hard to get anything to change around here (which i've made clear already in this thread) so I've come to the conclusion to just do my own thing and that when the girls that have been here for a long time get harsh with new girls over the search function to just help the new girls out by just letting them know that:


Seriously, I don't think that any one is going to change the fact that the older members will get pissy if you don't use the search function. The best thing to do is to just ignore the negativity and ask whatever it is you want to ask and talk about whatever you want to talk about with whoever will talk with you about it.

The only way to make the negativity go away is to ignore it. Fighting it only fuels the fire. Concentrate your energy on whatever it is you want to concentrate on. Brush of the small hit to your ego that to the older members think that "your thread doesn't deserve to be posted" and just keep posting. :)"

Sorry... just trying to condense what is going on in this thread for you....

I apologize - what i meant by "shitty" was just to demonstrate that my posts were being attacked. I understand why some people don't want to read them. I don't need anymore help understanding why people don't want to read my posts. I've taken what was said and I'm trying to improve on it. (which has also already been said in this thread)

And what I mean is that instead of concentrating on my posts we should be talking about something that more girls on SW will actually care about. Like the search function.

britt244
07-20-2008, 02:03 AM
ok, well i think your solution is going to cause more problems and drama.

example:
newbie posts something.
older member says do a search.
you say ignore said older member and talk about whatever you want.

yeahhhh, that's going to go over well ::)

princessparis
07-20-2008, 02:08 AM
I apologize, i'll make sure to advocate the use of the search function... as i have throughout this post.

But this is an open site no? And when it comes down to it people have the right to post whatever they want. period. and no one should be bullied out of that right. Thats what it comes down to.

Perry
07-20-2008, 02:11 AM
^^ You're correct that they have rights. But this site is a community. To fit in with a community you need to respect that they have established tradions, customs and history that you do not yet share.

It's only respectful to do some research before you ask for help or try to contribute.

princessparis
07-20-2008, 02:13 AM
^^^ agreed

BTW that's some of the best input (besides my absolute perfection [<---just joking bout that btw:) lol] )to this thread thus far.

*edit* Sometimes it's easy to forget that a lot of you guys have been doing this FOR YEARS. Esp when your all hopped up on the caffeine of chocolate since your pregnant and that's the only caffeine you can get and you've been sitting around doing nothing but SW all day.... like me.

britt244
07-20-2008, 02:35 AM
another thought - if someone posts something instead of searching, and people are frustrated with that so they don't respond, the original poster could be missing out on some very helpful advice. no matter what advice others give them, they could be missing some useful gems by NOT searching.

LilyLove
07-20-2008, 03:51 AM
Even though I think you are right about how its good to rehash old issues pertaining to stripping and hustling, I have to agree that your attitude toward site improvements and such IS a little condescending. I mean, don't you think we've thought of a lot of the stuff you're saying before? Its as plain as day to us that the site is poorly maintained and that there are lots of things that should be done to make it more useful to us dancers. Don't get me wrong, your can-do attitude is awesome, but we've really been over this particular thing a bunch of (frustrating) times.

princessparis
07-20-2008, 09:45 AM
Ok I apologize for not understanding just how hard it is to change things here on this site. It was pure naiveness on my part. I didn't know that the person that runs this site is so hard to get a hold of... haven't i said this already????

I put up the HH FAQ in hopes of helping.

It might not help, but it also could help if given a shot. You can really be pessimistic or optimistic about it, but at least it's something.

I apologize if i was condescending to anyone... but really... who was I condescending towards? I still don't understand.

Can we just make this thread go away?

Emily
07-20-2008, 11:03 AM
omg, this is making my head hurt! Princessparis...you are spending too much time thinking about this. There must be something you'd rather be doing than convincing us old ladies how to change our ways!

Have any of you ladies ever been on a geek forum? They even have an acronym that's become kinda famous that's much like our "Do a search!"

RTMF. Google it if you've never seen it. It's got a Wiki entry for a reason.

charlie61
07-20-2008, 01:16 PM
princessparis--thank you for starting this thread.

I started a similar thread a week ago or so, but it was much less helpful than this ("Is SW getting catty?") and quickly got closed by a mod.

So thank you for starting this and generating a (generally) positive discussion about the best way to react to repetitive questions from SW newbies.

Elvia
07-20-2008, 01:31 PM
This is one of those threads that leaves me a little disenchanted with stripperweb. I know everyone hates the word "cliquey" but for the first time, it's starting to bounce around in my head. It seems like the main reason she was jumped on is because she's new, but her points were very valid. I was really disappointed to see how people jumped on the other girl in the thread that inspired this thread. I can understand gently guiding someone towards the search function, but there was no need for SO MANY people to jump on her, and in some rather harsh, even offensive ways.

Princess wasn't trying to be condescending or "fix everything." It seems clear to me that she put a lot of thought and energy into trying to express what she had to say in a way that wouldn't offend people, and has apologized at every turn whenever someones gotten upset. Her point was valid.

LilyLove
07-20-2008, 02:58 PM
I just want to reiterate that I think you have great intentions PrincessParis and I think you should stick around.

princessparis
07-20-2008, 03:56 PM
omg, this is making my head hurt! Princessparis...you are spending too much time thinking about this. There must be something you'd rather be doing than convincing us old ladies how to change our ways!

Have any of you ladies ever been on a geek forum? They even have an acronym that's become kinda famous that's much like our "Do a search!"

RTMF. Google it if you've never seen it. It's got a Wiki entry for a reason.

Think of it more as "encouragement to consider it". Change can be a hard thing for everyone (including myself) to consider let alone actually do. I don't expect change nor am I trying TO change anyone... I'm only hoping to help by suggesting that change could be considered.

And yes, it's taken a bit of time out of my life, but I really like this site and I'd like to contribute in positive ways to give back to all that this site has given to me and others.

RTMF (read the manual first) :) lol, I'm so going to use it... we have a lot to learn from those geeks:D

Thank you for all the people that have supported me in this thread. It really means a lot to me. I truly do hope that even though at times the thread was slightly inflammatory that it made up for it in opening a few minds to some new ideas... hopefully next time I have some crazy idea I'll be able to open minds to it without being long winded or potentially condescending. I think it can be a delicate balance.

Emily
07-20-2008, 04:04 PM
hat this site has given to me and others.

RTMF (read the manual first) :) lol, I'm so going to use it... we have a lot to learn from those geeks:D


Oopsie. That was a typo. It's actually RTFM.

Gabrielle MB
07-20-2008, 04:57 PM
Just for thought.

I read a business book that said you should always look to the new people in the company for suggestions. What they see is what most of the people in the business have chosen to ignore or accept because 'that's just the way it is'. A new person is likely to shed light on a subject and have unique ideas compared to older employees who have accepted the situation.

In reality, we've all thought about this.. but it can't happen because none of us can actually implement it. And we all know who can...

Well, we could all add alittle to the FAQ thread. I think its a great idea. Even if no one reads the stickys (i know its not sticky), the phrases might come up in search.

Joplin
07-20-2008, 04:58 PM
I don't see how a big huge FAQ section will help the people who don't feel like reading pages of old posts. Most people don't read the stickies either. If they were smart enough to do that then they would figure out the search feature too.

For some topics people just like to feel like their situation is special. I started a thread about being tall with stripper heels when I first started because I didn't see anything about people who were specifically 5'10''. My situation really isn'y any different than someone who is 5'8'' and I see how that thread would have been frustrating for older members at the time to see again.

Reading 4 pages of your own thread is the same as reading 4 pages of a 5 year old one if you have attention issues. It's the fact that it's your thread that makes it more bearable. For older members we see it over and over and at a certain point we just don't care anymore to make a newb feel like their situation is special.

princessparis
07-20-2008, 05:11 PM
I don't see how a big huge FAQ section will help the people who don't feel like reading pages of old posts. Most people don't read the stickies either. If they were smart enough to do that then they would figure out the search feature too.

For some topics people just like to feel like their situation is special. I started a thread about being tall with stripper heels when I first started because I didn't see anything about people who were specifically 5'10''. My situation really is any different than someone who is 5'8'' and I see how that tread would have been frustrating for older members at the time to see again.

Reading 4 pages of your own thread is the same as reading 4 pages of a 5 year old one if you have attention issues. It's the fact that it's your thread that makes it more bearable. For older members we see it over and over and at a certain point we just don't care anymore to make a newb feel like their situation is special.


So are you trying to say that we SHOULDN'T create a FAQ?

Could you try to make your conclusion a little more clear? What is your point exactly?

What do you suggest we do? Are you trying to conclude that we should yell at people if they don't use the search function?

britt244
07-20-2008, 05:14 PM
So are you trying to say that we SHOULDN'T create a FAQ?

Could you try to make your conclusion a little more clear? What is your point exactly?

What do you suggest we do? Are you trying to conclude that we should yell at people if they don't use the search function?

i agree with joplin. stick around for 2 years plus and then report back to us how you feel about answering the same question over and over and over. why is it so hard for you (or anyone) to accept that life would just be easier on everyone if people SEARCHED MORE??

princessparis
07-20-2008, 05:17 PM
Life WOULD be easier if people searched more.... where did i say that it wouldn't?

After 2 years of being on this forum I will EXPECT to see things repeated. I do hope however that I'm much more respectful about how I handle it than the way some people (not all!) have been on this site.

Emily
07-20-2008, 05:17 PM
So are you trying to say that we SHOULDN'T create a FAQ?


A boob job FAQ was created and stickied in Body Business.

Yet, people STILL post questions that are answered in it all the time.

It's pointless because if people aren't going to do a search, they sure as hell aren't going to read a FAQ before posting. It's a waste of time, but you can go ahead if you've got nothing better to do. It's just going to be frustrating when some girl asks something that you answered in it, but then replies,"oh, my situation is different because Jupiter's rising this week."

princessparis
07-20-2008, 05:24 PM
I don't see how it could hurt. It may not be foolproof, but at least it's working towards in a much more possitive way than sitting around bitching at people.

I mean you could say the same thing about bitching at people... You can bitch all you want but people are still going to post on topic that have already been covered no matter how many times you bitch the difference is that bitching does hurt... not only other people but the way other people perceive YOU (if your bitching)

Emily
07-20-2008, 05:27 PM
I don't see how it could hurt.

No, it won't hurt. So do it already! But don't say we didn't warn you realize that it is a colossal waste of time.

princessparis
07-20-2008, 05:29 PM
.... i did... it's called Hh FAQ... I've already put a lot of time into it.

Even if it doesn't work out I've learned a lot from what I've put up there.

It's funny how well you learn when you try to learn something well enough to teach it??? Idk if that's a good way of putting it. I feel that the answers I've given there have helped me learn the material way more than if i had just done a search and read about it.

Emily
07-20-2008, 05:33 PM
oh, I thought it wasn't done.

AlexxaHex
07-20-2008, 05:37 PM
I don't see how it could hurt. It may not be foolproof, but at least it's working towards in a much more possitive way than sitting around bitching at people.

I mean you could say the same thing about bitching at people... You can bitch all you want but people are still going to post on topic that have already been covered no matter how many times you bitch the difference is that bitching does hurt... not only other people but the way other people perceive YOU (if your bitching)

I think you are taking this whole thing too personally and too seriously. Just...exist. And stop rehashing all this shit into more threads complaining that someone was a little short with you about searching when you asked a question that's already been asked a thousand times.
This is the internet. It's a message board with strippers on it. It isn't your grandma's house with milk and cookies. We're not going to hold anyone's hand.

Joplin
07-20-2008, 05:55 PM
So are you trying to say that we SHOULDN'T create a FAQ?

Could you try to make your conclusion a little more clear? What is your point exactly?

What do you suggest we do? Are you trying to conclude that we should yell at people if they don't use the search function?

I'm not going to tell anyone that "no, you can't create a thread.", but yes I do think it's a waste of time.

I don't think we should do anything. People got sharp with me when I was new, when I was just another person, and they still do it now that I've been posting here forever. That's just the way it is. That is our community. I've taken shit people say here personally before and then realized that it's the internet! People here aren't going to have to see your hurt face or see you as a real person, your just words/handle/avatar on the screen.

Some people will like you and some will think your an idiot That goes for any online community. Especially when they are developed like this one, unless the mods edit everything to be peaches and cream it's not going to be. You can't make people fit your mold of nice unless it's your own site. Even if you did I doubt it would get anywhere. People get heated here because they have real emotions behind what they're saying. It's those emotions and opinions that makes this site what it is.

You said yourself that the peoples problem was that old threads are too daunting and they want feedback. You FAQ thread does nothing to address those issues. It's going to be an "old" thread once it gets bumped off the first page. Each post is long and daunting. If a newbie does end up having a question I guarantee they will ask the same question again in that post if it gets longer than 3 pages. You'll say "I answered it on page 2 :)" and then someone else will ask the same question again, and again and again and you'll keep typing "look at my Hh FAQ thread :)" and they'll keep asking and eventually you'll get to the point where you are saying "SERIOUSLY, just read my big long Hh FAQ thread!!!!". That's where we are at.

I don't know how closely you've been reading SW in the last 2 years (or however long) if you didn't know about this places pay-site discussions, who sponsors the site (hello there was a huge banner proclaiming it for a while) and other very obvious issues we have all already discussed here. It's hard to listen to a newb who doesn't even seem to know what is really going on in this site. It really does seem like you just started posting here and haven't caught on to the real community here yet.

I don't care if you spend your time reading every page on here and condensing it into Hh FAQ but your work won't be appreciated by the people you're tying to help because it doesn't help them.

princessparis
07-20-2008, 06:02 PM
I think you are taking this whole thing too personally and too seriously. Just...exist. And stop rehashing all this shit into more threads complaining that someone was a little short with you about searching when you asked a question that's already been asked a thousand times.
This is the internet. It's a message board with strippers on it. It isn't your grandma's house with milk and cookies. We're not going to hold anyone's hand.

OhMG if you had read... it wasn't just me. Girls hijack a lot of threads to bitch out people for not RTFM. It's just so unproductive i thought I'd say something about it

And I really don't take it personally... But I am defending my actions because i feel that they were the right thing to do and I'll stop defending them when people stop attacking them.

Seriously i'm not that sensitive.... if i was i wouldn't still be here.

A lot of girls are though and I'm sure some of them who could have been some decent contributers have been chased away from all the attacks.

Do you want me to just "exist" or do you want me to just sit down and shut up?

What do you really want? Do you just want people to be OK with girls bitching out other girls for not using the search function?

I mean if you do just say so, there's nothing wrong with that. We can always agree to disagree...

Joplin
07-20-2008, 06:09 PM
OhMG if you had read... it wasn't just me. Girls hijack a lot of threads to bitch out people for not RTFM. It's just so unproductive i thought I'd say something about it

And I really don't take it personally... But I am defending my actions because i feel that they were the right thing to do and I'll stop defending them when people stop attacking them.

Seriously i'm not that sensitive.... if i was i wouldn't still be here.

A lot of girls are though and I'm sure some of them who could have been some decent contributers have been chased away from all the attacks.

Do you want me to just "exist" or do you want me to just sit down and shut up? Cause I am existing but I will not stop standing up for myself, my actions and what I believe is right

What do you really want? Do you just want people to be OK with girls bitching out other girls for not using the search function?

It sounds as if your are starting to get frustrated at people not reading your posts completely (even if they actually have). Thats EXACTLY what we are feeling. People aren't reading our posts either and keep going on asking questions about something we already answered.

princessparis
07-20-2008, 06:13 PM
I really edited my last post... my apologies

I can understand the frustration.

There is however a BIG difference between responding to an argument that you haven't read thoroughly and posting a thread that has been covered before. But I've already gone over that in THIS thread.

Joplin
07-20-2008, 06:17 PM
I really edited my last post... my apologies

I can understand the frustration.

There is however a BIG difference between responding to an argument that you haven't read thoroughly and posting a thread that has been covered before. But I've already gone over that in THIS thread.

I see no difference. You say "if you'd read the whole thread you'd know I already covered that" and I say "well if you read a whole thread on ___ you'd know I already covered that."

The only difference is that this thread is at the top of the page and all the ones I've posted in aren't. It's still the same frustration, mine is just been drawn out for a long period of time where as you're getting frustrated in a concentrated form.

princessparis
07-20-2008, 06:17 PM
That's really what this is about though isn't it?

You guys want your frustration to be understood. You guys want to feel like you CAN vent your frustration without being attacked for it. You guys feel like your frustration is valid.

I can understand that.

And there are consequences though for letting out your frustration in any social situation. I think that's what I'm trying to get at here.

^^ I think that they are similar... it's just that one is more obvious than another. IE it's obvious when a thread is laid out before you. To search for similar topics however, you must first know about the search function and then know how to fully utilize it.

Joplin
07-20-2008, 06:27 PM
That's really what this is about though isn't it?

You guys want your frustration to be understood. You guys want to feel like you CAN vent your frustration without being attacked for it. You guys feel like your frustration is valid.

I can understand that.

And there are consequences though for letting out your frustration in any social situation. I think that's what I'm trying to get at here.

I think we are all competent enough to know that everything has consequences, including how we let out frustration. You're not telling us anything new.

We are doing things as we have for a long time. If we wanted to change we would have changed. I know change has to start somewhere but us "old timers" seem not to be willing to change, and since we are the problem, there's really nothing to be done or said to change us.

Of coarse new people are going to agree with you because they're on your side of the war. Once they become recognized posters (aka have been here and responded to amny posts) they'll be siding with my side.

I personally don't read the newb section because I don't like reading the questions. Even if this is "the answer" to not being bitchy (ie. keeping harsh "search" comments to ourselves), then people's questions go unanswered and they start complaining about how it's cliquey and no one replies to their posts, blah blah blah. We've had posts about that too btw. None of this is new.

Joplin
07-20-2008, 06:47 PM
^^ I think that they are similar... it's just that one is more obvious than another. IE it's obvious when a thread is laid out before you. To search for similar topics however, you must first know about the search function and then know how to fully utilize it.

Well we are responding to you in this thread to make our frustrations obvious. I'm asking you a real question, not a rhetorical one here: Do you honestly think that people who can't read old 5 page threads because they're ADD, dumb or lazy or whatever are going to read the long posts in your Hh FAQ's thread? If yes, why?

If you actually manage to cover everything (that would be nearly impossible unless you have MASSIVE time on your hands) it would be at least 10 pages long, at LEAST. The easy answer is to say they would just read the whole thing (but if you have ADD, are dumb or are lazy you can't read that much remember?) or use ctrl+f anf type in a word to search the page for. WAIT! there's that thing called searching again!

You give people too much credit to assume they know how to use ctrl+f and then do it for every page in your thread and then reword it when they didn't use the same word used in your thread (thus not finding their answers), if they can't figure out a search engine on this site.