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Jenny
07-28-2008, 09:47 PM
Thank you GR for your words on fairness and your advice on "policing". I would suggest that you cannot compare the rules of a message board to laws of society, but while we're on that comparison - what would you say to someone who committed a crime on the excuse "But he did it!" Like I said - worry about yourself. If you find someone else breaking the rules so objectionable - that is why we have "Report Post"; it is not an invitation to do so yourself.

Tina
07-29-2008, 04:10 PM
^^^ comparative 'stripper heaven' died along with the allowable tax deduction for business entertainment expenses in strip clubs, and the dot-com / internet growth phase creating millionaires under age 30 ... somewhere around 1997-98.

Melonie is absolutely right. Once your average cocky strip club goer had to start footing the bill for the money he would blow in the clubs, club visits were lessened or even eliminated, and the amount of money spent in clubs by this type of customer was drastically lessened.

Golden_Rule
07-29-2008, 04:29 PM
Thank you GR for your words on fairness and your advice on "policing". I would suggest that you cannot compare the rules of a message board to laws of society, but while we're on that comparison - what would you say to someone who committed a crime on the excuse "But he did it!" Like I said - worry about yourself. If you find someone else breaking the rules so objectionable - that is why we have "Report Post"; it is not an invitation to do so yourself.

If, as someone who hires as many or more dancers [60+ times the number of parties per year] in the course of a year as most small clubs for parties that have hundreds of guests, I may be considered an industry person I didn't break any rules. I asked for a ruling on that and I got an opinion instead ["I don't personally see..."] in language some might see as just a little belittling. I still ask for one if you don't mind.

That was the crux of my argument.

The rest was an appeal to your sense of fair play by way of suggesting what constitutes good policing, as someone who might know a thing or two about that, because that is what mods do: police.

If it means anything to you, and I am not saying it should, I am not trying to enter into a test of wills with you. I have no authority here and am quite aware that if this was an actual contest I've already lost. It's just that fair means something to me, so I speak up for what I see as fair when the opportunity presents itself.

This may cause me to be a challenging person to someone in authority, it might even cause them to not like me very much [I certainly know some of my bosses were up in the air about their feelings for me because for someone who represented the establishment I certainly could be quite the antidisestablishmentarian :) ], but it shouldn't be an authority's right or position to shut down voices simply because they are inconvenient, unlikable, or challenging should it? Shouldn't it be more important to do what is even handed in the enforcement of the rules instead?

Anyway, sincere apologies for being a P.I.T.A. but excuse me for saying I'd feel like a hypocrite if I also included in that apology standing up for what I see as fair.

wishing well...

Fionaver
07-29-2008, 11:49 PM
You know, GR, this really seems to be an issue that you and Jenny should take up privately. I don't think we all really need to read this.

And anyways, it's really off topic. Could we all just get back to the issue at hand?

Tyke
07-30-2008, 01:53 AM
I don't know whether I class as industry but I do get paid to write stuff on the UK/European strip industry for www.strip-magazine.com (http://www.strip-magazine.com) and also for some UK magazines like Where to go in London and in the past Exotic Dancer of the US.

I have also been a regular customer of strip venues for nearly 30 years and my perspective of the UK is that things have got worse both for customers and dancers wheras they have got better for club/pub owners. The thing I like least about the industry at the moment is that house fees have become the main source of income for the clubs which means they have tended to both increase fees and the number of girls to levels that are now ridiculous. That's bad for the dancers and as a result a lot of the better girls from 5 or 10 years ago have packed in. From a customer point of view the high house fee model results in lots of hustle often from dozens of pretty average looking girls desperate to make their house fees, pathetic stage shows, and a reduction in customer numbers reducing the atmosphere.

In the UK no club I know employs feature dancers or does much advertising except to recruit more girls to keep their house fee income up. The worst thing from my point of view is that the "greedy club owner" style of management has now passed onto to many pubs which pre date the clubs and always used to be much better. It's been compounded by the smoking ban {which as a none smoker I like} which has further reduced customer numbers. A downturn in the UK economy has started and I can see lots of clubs closing.

By the sound of what everybody is saying here the US situation is similar.

Tyke

anomar
07-30-2008, 11:33 AM
I just edited this post.