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grindonme
08-18-2008, 08:23 AM
WTF is wrong with customers??? I hear so much bitching and moaning about girls asking, "Wanna dance?" It's too easy to say no to, it doesn't make you feel special, you want more free attention, blah, blah, blah!! But why do we do it? Because it's a cut-to-the-bone buisness arrangement.

And then, when dancers try to find a more creative way to phrase it or try a risky approach we don't get fucking paid. You think we've promised something we didn't deliver. Or it's sleazy. Just not you're stlye. You didn't knooooow :'( You don't approve.. MER!! Enough already!! If you can't figure out strip clubs then stay the fuck out already.

If you've got enough damn sense to google strippers and end up here, then stop pretending to be outraged or ignorant.

Seriously, some customers, never EVER complain about paying up front again, or the next time a girl wanders by your table, mumbles, "Wanna dance? and rolls her eyes and walks away before you can finish you sentance. You're bringing it on yourselves.

::)::)

NewMoon
08-18-2008, 08:27 AM
WTF is wrong with customers??? I hear so much bitching and moaning about girls asking, "Wanna dance?" It's too easy to say no to, it doesn't make you feel special, you want more free attention, blah, blah, blah!! But why do we do it? Because it's a cut-to-the-bone buisness arrangement.

And then, when dancers try to find a more creative way to phrase it or try a risky approach we don't get fucking paid. You think we've promised something we didn't deliver. Or it's sleazy. Just not you're stlye. You didn't knooooow :'( You don't approve.. MER!! Enough already!! If you can't figure out strip clubs then stay the fuck out already.

If you've got enough damn sense to google strippers and end up here, then stop pretending to be outraged or ignorant.

Seriously, some customers, never EVER complain about paying up front again, or the next time a girl wanders by your table, mumbles, "Wanna dance? and rolls her eyes and walks away before you can finish you sentance. You're bringing it on yourselves. I don't think it's too much to expect that dancers be upfront and honest.

I ALWAYS tell the customers before I start dancing that it is X per song and you can do X and cannot do X.

If I am dancing for them later in the night, I will tell them "you know the drill, we'll start on the next song."

It doesn't matter the industry, you can't just perform a service and then demand payment. There has to be an agreement for payment for the service.

Jenny
08-18-2008, 08:36 AM
I don't think it's too much to expect that dancers be upfront and honest.I don't either. But I think that there is A) a reasonable, or at least an articulable argument that this was not dishonest and B) even if it was - that doesn't make it okay to screw her over.

Like really - I think there is a much better argument that she is trying to rip him off if she started dancing a song - maybe even got through the first song and started on the second - when he said "oh my gosh - you are doing this for fun aren't you?" and she says "No - you absolutely have to pay me." Yes, that is a rip off. The fact that he let her go for 10 songs does alter the analysis. Like no reasonable person can think it is "honest" to let her do that and then refuse to pay.

PrettyCurlieQ
08-18-2008, 08:39 AM
If you really feed bad about it you could pay her what you owe her next time you're there.
Good call. :yes:

And then buy more.

NewMoon
08-18-2008, 08:50 AM
I don't either. But I think that there is A) a reasonable, or at least an articulable argument that this was not dishonest and B) even if it was - that doesn't make it okay to screw her over.

Like really - I think there is a much better argument that she is trying to rip him off if she started dancing a song - maybe even got through the first song and started on the second - when he said "oh my gosh - you are doing this for fun aren't you?" and she says "No - you absolutely have to pay me." Yes, that is a rip off. The fact that he let her go for 10 songs does alter the analysis. Like no reasonable person can think it is "honest" to let her do that and then refuse to pay. I read your previous post and I agree with you. I think both parties are partly to blame. My post above was more in response to the following comment, which I think is a little over the top:

"And then, when dancers try to find a more creative way to phrase it or try a risky approach we don't get fucking paid."

I believe she was wrong not be be upfront. I think he was wrong to just assume she was doing it for free. And they both suffered and paid the price.

jaizaine
08-18-2008, 09:28 AM
Wow all I can say after reading this thread is I am so glad we have a payment up front policy at my club for dances.

jessica0585
08-18-2008, 09:44 AM
Mannn you should've stuck with your original story and told her you didn't have the money, she was playing a GAME with you and she won. If it was me i would've gave her a napkin and bounced

and i would of have the bouncers come and kick your ass....10 dances and you thought it was free ha....and what the club didn't have an atm?

grindonme
08-18-2008, 11:21 AM
I don't think it's too much to expect that dancers be upfront and honest.

I ALWAYS tell the customers before I start dancing that it is X per song and you can do X and cannot do X.

If I am dancing for them later in the night, I will tell them "you know the drill, we'll start on the next song."

It doesn't matter the industry, you can't just perform a service and then demand payment. There has to be an agreement for payment for the service.

*applauses NewMoon

threlayer
08-18-2008, 07:14 PM
"What we have here is a failure to communicate."

Stupidity notwithstanding.... Lets say a guy goes into a diner, first time in the place or maybe any diner for that matter. They give you a menu with prices or state the prices and you order. The meal comes and you eat and you pay. Nominal behavior so far.

They bring out the dessert cart and hand you a small dessert serving, like a cookie. You eat, then they hand you another, say strawberry, and you eat. This keeps on for eight more; nothing further is said until you say I'm full. Then you get a bill for 10 desserts. And you thought they were just free samples?

My original comment still stands.

Jenny
08-18-2008, 08:00 PM
Dude, we've all been comped at some point - we know how comping works. When people comp you they tell you; if a round of drinks is dropped at my table when I'm in a bar, and I haven't ordered and they don't say "the owner sent these over for you; he looked after it" I (and any normal person) would say "Hey, I didn't order these" - not just drink them and refuse to pay. And I certainly wouldn't drink 10 rounds brought out this way and then refuse to pay.

UtahMike
08-18-2008, 08:27 PM
I've been in lots of strip clubs in lots of states, and I just have a very hard time believing that this actually happened. Nobody has EVER started dancing for me without their asking and my accepting. I'm not saying it did not happen to the OP, but perhaps in the noise of the club, he missed her asking and she thought he nodded, and then she proceeded.

But even if it did happen exactly as he said, I think it is so UNlikely to happen to someone else, that I think the heated argument is all about nothing.

Oh, and just a suggestion to Grindonme--if you were to bold an occasional word for emphasis, it would be alot more effective than bolding every post.

SassyPants
08-19-2008, 12:20 AM
"What we have here is a failure to communicate."

Stupidity notwithstanding.... Lets say a guy goes into a diner, first time in the place or maybe any diner for that matter. They give you a menu with prices or state the prices and you order. The meal comes and you eat and you pay. Nominal behavior so far.

They bring out the dessert cart and hand you a small dessert serving, like a cookie. You eat, then they hand you another, say strawberry, and you eat. This keeps on for eight more; nothing further is said until you say I'm full. Then you get a bill for 10 desserts. And you thought they were just free samples?

My original comment still stands.

i hope duder gets this analogy better than my shoe store analogy. right on;D

grindonme
08-19-2008, 08:07 AM
i hope duder gets this analogy better than my shoe store analogy. right on;D

Your analogy was better than his;) it wasn't any good either but at least it was something that could actually happen, in a diner/restaurant you pay when you're about to leave, not pay and then hang around so his analogy is...........::)

grindonme
08-19-2008, 08:12 AM
Also this is something that showed me it was really a game she was playing, you all are talking about 10 straight dances when he said she


all of a sudden she just started to dance for me. She danced OFF and ON for me and we were having a great time,

so she'd do the talk and laugh thing some, then dance then talk some more then dance

threlayer
08-19-2008, 08:15 AM
He was stupid and she was sleazy. Two wrongs don't cancel each other out.

threlayer
08-19-2008, 08:18 AM
Your analogy was better than his;) it wasn't any good either but at least it was something that could actually happen, in a diner/restaurant you pay when you're about to leave, not pay and then hang around so his analogy is...........::)

Wait. Sometimes the server takes the payment at the table. This happens even in diners. I'm guessing you don't get around much anymore.

grindonme
08-19-2008, 09:02 AM
Wait. Sometimes the server takes the payment at the table. This happens even in diners. I'm guessing you don't get around much anymore.

if they've started bringing a dessert cart around a "diner" then i guess i need to start getting around more::)

UtahMike
08-19-2008, 09:46 PM
Wait. Sometimes the server takes the payment at the table. This happens even in diners. I'm guessing you don't get around much anymore.
I once had a roommate who was a member of a motorcycle club, and when we would go to a restaurant with some of his club members, the waitress would make us all pay before she would take the order.

And I have earlier in this thread mentioned my experience of ordering cheese on a train in France and getting served a seven course meal, one course of which was cheese. I had to pay for it all, even though the first couple courses I sent back because I thought they had made a mistake.

But what does this prove? Selling and buying lap dances is like nothing else in sales.

SassyPants
08-20-2008, 01:08 AM
and all i'm saying is,

don't go to a strip club and think that anything you get there is for free! cuz you don't go to a shoe store and think that you can get free shoes. SHOES OMG

Dottie Rebel
08-20-2008, 04:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCF3ywukQYA&feature=related

SassyPants
08-20-2008, 04:43 AM
this one's longer and funnier :P srsly, who can go wrong with shoes? i'm glad you got my reference!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

threlayer
08-20-2008, 09:31 AM
if they've started bringing a dessert cart around a "diner" then i guess i need to start getting around more::) Or the all-you-can eat promo, if that isn't a trick too.

threlayer
08-20-2008, 09:34 AM
...And I have earlier in this thread mentioned my experience of ordering cheese on a train in France and getting served a seven course meal, one course of which was cheese. I had to pay for it all, even though the first couple courses I sent back because I thought they had made a mistake.

But what does this prove? Selling and buying lap dances is like nothing else in sales. So scamming is not the exclusive province of lap dancing. Who knew? :)

doc-catfish
08-20-2008, 03:17 PM
http://shockingbird.com/glomer2/members/upload/wheres_my_money.jpg

what happens when you don't pay for your dances
:O :-\

AkashaM
08-20-2008, 06:12 PM
When you tried to send her away "to make some money" and she said "no, it is OK", she was not trying to be polite, but rather she was trying to sell you more of her time. She was not trying to be sweet and just enjoyed talking with you. She was selling you her time, for which she expected to get paid.

Both parties were working off implied terms. When the OP told her she was free to go, that was her cue to 1) leave or 2) offer more dances or $ for her time. She should have been savvy enough to know that--but who knows maybe she was new to the biz.

Everytime a custy has said that to me it is usually an indication that our time is over and he is not spending any more money.

C'mon girls, how many times have custies said, "ok, go and make your money! dont let me stop you!" and you knew it meant, "go away."

Unless the guy is an experienced strip clubber, most guys delude themselves into thinking, "she likes me, that why she's still getting naked for me." as he racks up a $200 dance tab. Then are suprised when the girl demands payment.

The OP isnt completely at fault here. The dancer is shooting herself in the foot when she fails to discuss money with an unfamilar customer before dancing.

Next time if the OP is in a situation like this when a dancer continues dancing or spending time with him (as his wallet gets thinner) he needs to go to the ATM or simply tell her to move on.

threlayer
08-22-2008, 07:31 PM
^^ I'll buy that explanation.