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UltraViolet
07-28-2008, 11:37 PM
This thread gives me deja vu.

Elvia
07-28-2008, 11:55 PM
Most business owners appreciate customer feedback. Some of the stuff we get is done but I figure I either get good advice or a good laugh :)

Really? I've rarely found a customers advice useful. For one thing, every guys is different. But guys don't seem to know this. This one might say you should always do this, or always dress like this. The next one says the opposite. ::)

This new girl came into audition at my club the other day. She was the friend of a regular, and he kept giving her the worst advice! It was all dead wrong. She even came back to the dressing room after he told her she needed to put her panties under her garter belt. We had to explain to her that no, in a nude club you wouldn't be able to do take your panties off that way, and to not listen to customers telling you how to dress!!

Besides, when I'm dancing, I feel like that's MY SHOW. I don't want someone barking orders at me in regards to how I *should* do it. Do you yell at street performers and tell them what to do? Of course not.

I would much rather get advice from a successful dancer, not every Tom Dick and Harry who thinks he has the answer to what everyone is looking for in a dancer.

i.breathe.in
07-29-2008, 12:00 AM
This thread gives me deja vu.

exactly....

pookie
07-29-2008, 12:05 AM
.... click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click....

Just keep clicking
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lestat1
07-29-2008, 12:15 AM
Hmm, at my 10-year high school reunion everything was pretty much the same. So yeah, it sucked for me. Is it at the 20-year reunion when the former chess club guys have the threesome with two cheerleaders? I'm not up to speed on these things.

Oh, and I've been here since the site was founded and I'm oblivious to the cliques, but then given the soure, that should be of little comfort.

I do second what Mike said: you're damned for using the search feature, you're damned for not using it. That's a problem on all forums though, and not just here.

RoseLeigh
07-29-2008, 12:26 AM
I hope I'm not in a clique! I do know people IRL, but that doesn't count! I swear!

Anyway I think some people just get along better with some other people. And maybe not as well with others. And some people are not the kind of people you like at all. It happens. Bullying in not okay, of course, but you can't like/be liked by everyone.

Pony please? *feeds stupid bf to the pony*

ETA: JFC I want that black pony!

lilymiaomiao
07-29-2008, 01:54 AM
i dont want a pony, i want a stripper

lilymiaomiao
07-29-2008, 01:58 AM
New male member joins, starts thread asking whether dancer really likes him.
Among first responses: You're a troll! You're a fool! And you have poor grammar and spelling. Go to the Blue side where they will tell you the same things except for the grammar and spelling, about which they do not care in Blue.

New male member joins, starts thread telling dancers how to dance to please him.
Among first responses: You're a troll! You're an idiot! We don't need your advice on how to do our jobs! And you have poor grammar and spelling.

lol yah

NewMoon
07-29-2008, 07:10 AM
Jenny and Elvia - When I said "most businesses appreciate customer feedback" I was not trying to give an argument for why we should appreciate feedback, but rather why customers do so. I don't think they're trying to cause trouble. Like I said above, I either get good advice or a good laught.

Elvia - I've gotten some good advice from customers. Not often but, for example, the thread I started about "how many dances?" has proven very useful to me.

verfolgung
07-29-2008, 08:11 AM
...I would much rather get advice from a successful dancer, not every Tom Dick and Harry who thinks he has the answer to what everyone is looking for in a dancer. ...


Elvia, by no means am I trying to single you out, it just that I read your post and it seems to me to express a very common opinion here on these boards.

One of my personal gripes with the board is that pink ribbons seem to be given far more benefit of the doubt than blue ribbons. This is by no means an absolute statement, and not everyone does it.

When I first joined the forum, customers were generally allowed to post anywhere but Ladies Only. Yes lots of stupid and useless remarks were made and the moderators had problems weeding out the good feedback from the useless feedback. Then threads like this one started popping up and the blue ribbons were restricted more and more from where they could post. The funny thing is, I would read lots of useless feedback and crass remarks from pink ribbon members, but like I said, it seemed they were more likely to given the benefit of the doubt.

Until recently, I hadn't been around the boards as often. I read a few threads in the hustle hut, and decided to provide some feedback. A few ladies responded positively thanking me for my posts. Then of course I got a PM from a moderator saying that she had already received complaints about my presence in that forum. It just felt like those who flagged my post gave little to no consideration to the content, but simply looked at the source - a customer - and notified the moderator that I should be removed. I politely deleted my posts and have since kept my posts restricted to customer convo.

My own personal opinion, is that customer feedback should be allowed in Hustle Hut, Newbie Forum, and Customer Conversation, while we should leave Stripping General as a safe-haven for the ladies. I, like some other customers, have made posts and started threads in the pasts that were worthy of being "pinned" in those areas. Yes, it would require moderator oversite to weed out the truely useless comments, but just to write off someone's feedback because they are male seems overly prejudice.

Anyway, that's just my opinion, but I will continue to abide by the board's current posting guidelines.

Susan Wayward
07-29-2008, 08:46 AM
When I first joined the forum, customers were generally allowed to post anywhere but Ladies Only. Yes lots of stupid and useless remarks were made and the moderators had problems weeding out the good feedback from the useless feedback.

Not for nothing, V, but four years ago, most of y'all were pretty cool, and didn't give useless advice, start pointless threads, hang around and make thousands of fluffy posts, and generally make nuisances of yourselves. As the judgment level of the average male poster declined, our receptiveness to them decreased. Sorry to make you all responsible for the actions of the loudest and stupidest of you, but hey, welcome to our world.

verfolgung
07-29-2008, 08:52 AM
Not for nothing, V, but four years ago, most of y'all were pretty cool, and didn't give useless advice, start pointless threads, hang around and make thousands of fluffy posts, and generally make nuisances of yourselves. As the judgment level of the average male poster declined, our receptiveness to them decreased. Sorry to make you all responsible for the actions of the loudest and stupidest of you, but hey, welcome to our world.

No, certainly not for nothing. Thanks for your remarks Susan. Honestly, I hear you. Whenever I reflect to myself that things should go back to the way they were, I do realize how much of pain it would be for the moderators to continually have to police the boards.

Thanks.

UtahMike
07-29-2008, 10:48 AM
Sorry to make you all responsible for the actions of the loudest and stupidest of you, but hey, welcome to our world.
Every time I read a post by the loudest and stupidest, I cringe, thinking, that's it, they're going to kick all the guys out now.

But I have noticed that those guys don't seem to last very long. Probably Darwin at work.

NewMoon
07-29-2008, 10:50 AM
I don't mean this to sound critical of the customers here but.......

At my club I can't connect with the girls because we are in competition with each other and I want to avoid drama. That is what I love about stripper web. I'm here to get away from the customers and talk with other dancers.

That's not to say that I necessarily want you guys gone but I enjoy CC when I feel like it but I mostly want to converse with fellow dancers only.

Joplin
07-29-2008, 11:05 AM
New member signs up, has a question, posts a thread.
Among first responses: This has been discussed many times before. Use the Search function before you post!

New member signs up, uses search function, finds relevant thread and posts in it.
Among first responses: This thread is two years old! Why did you bring it up to the top by posting in it?


This annoys me. I hate when new threads start about the same thing over and over. I'd rather have them post in an old thread asking their question and keep it all together for the other people who search. Unfortunately looking at dates is just as hard as using the search feture for some and they post responses to the OP and not the most recent post that has a new question on it. Then older members think it's stupid to reply to someones problem that happened 4 years ago (which it is). People just need to search and look at dates, not too hard.

It's probably too much to as for people to be more observant though...

wasfatboy
07-29-2008, 12:39 PM
In my world everyone is a pony, and they all eat rainbows, and poop butterflies.

Miss_Luscious
07-29-2008, 01:02 PM
Can we stop with the ponies!? I don't even like ponies. They're just midget horses! (No offense to midgets or horses)

loveandluxury
07-29-2008, 01:14 PM
This annoys me. I hate when new threads start about the same thing over and over. I'd rather have them post in an old thread asking their question and keep it all together for the other people who search. Unfortunately looking at dates is just as hard as using the search feture for some and they post responses to the OP and not the most recent post that has a new question on it. Then older members think it's stupid to reply to someones problem that happened 4 years ago (which it is). People just need to search and look at dates, not too hard.

It's probably too much to as for people to be more observant though...

What? You mean people should actually pay attention? That'll never happen :(

I seriously hate when somebody posts in a 4 year old thread.

Emily
07-29-2008, 01:17 PM
on the "do a search/ don't bring up old threads thing"

Yes, we say do a search because the question has been asked (and answered before.) No need to start a new thread.

There's nothing wrong with bringing up an old thread, and even replying to it.

The complaint generally stems from old threads from people looking for advice. Why give advice on a problem 2 years later? Pointless.

Two totally different issues made to seem like they are related. And I haven't seen cliques. There are active users, and really active users. Then there's the positive people and the whiners. The learners and the teachers. Just different personality types coming through.

loveandluxury
07-29-2008, 01:24 PM
^ That's what I meant was giving advice on a 3 year old subject.

anomar
07-29-2008, 01:45 PM
on the "do a search/ don't bring up old threads thing"

Yes, we say do a search because the question has been asked (and answered before.) No need to start a new thread.

There's nothing wrong with bringing up an old thread, and even replying to it.

The complaint generally stems from old threads from people looking for advice. Why give advice on a problem 2 years later? Pointless.

Two totally different issues made to seem like they are related. And I haven't seen cliques. There are active users, and really active users. Then there's the positive people and the whiners. The learners and the teachers. Just different personality types coming through.

I agree w/ this post. Especially in areas like Hustle Hut, it's great to dig up an old thread and add new ideas to it. I've seen that done really well lately, especially with easily searchable keywords like Carnegie or Superflirt.

But sometimes I see something like "Boyfriend cheating on me -- should I call him on it?" in Ladies Only and it's recently bumped -- and the OP's post date was in 2005! Big diff.

Daria
07-29-2008, 02:27 PM
I propose a little more respect to new members. I think that has already been addressed, though.

Amen. I haven't had much time to read through many of the comments in a while. Usually just scan here and there in club chat. Cliques? Haven't noticed. But I'm really surprised and disappointed in how some of the members respond to other posters now as opposed to even just last year. Some of the threads degenerate into catty barbs thrown back and forth. Why should we have to read that nonsense, if I want to experience that I'll just go and sit in the dressing room at work.

The respect and tolerance levels here seem extremely low now. Very disappointing to see. Just hope it comes back full circle to the way it was.

Miss_Luscious
07-29-2008, 04:59 PM
The respect and tolerance levels here seem extremely low now. Very disappointing to see. Just hope it comes back full circle to the way it was.

Yes, exactly. It wasn't always like this.

ExoticEngineer
07-29-2008, 05:13 PM
No. It wasn't.

Emily
07-29-2008, 05:21 PM
well, it's bigger now, and we all know that the experience is different at a bigger high school.

Most of you don't remember EDF (exotic dancer forum) or that other one run by that couple, Elle and I-forget-his-name, because if you did, you wouldn't be complaining so much about this one.

Sophia_Ashley
07-29-2008, 05:31 PM
^ Hey i remember that forum! :)

ExoticEngineer
07-29-2008, 05:35 PM
I've seen this forum go through so many of these threads...and others like it. It's a community folks...we're not all going to best buds here...and we're not all going to agree.

The one common feeling is that we should all be nicer to each other though, I think that's pretty simple, right?

Let the mods handle the rest, if/when things get out of hand let them do their job and take care of it. If you get your feelings hurt by what someone said here, try to remember, it's hard to read emotion/sarcasm/humor etc. (Why do you think emoticons have been such a booming biz?)
And if you get your feelings hurt because of something NO ONE said...get over it, we're not obligated to reply to threads, right?

ExoticEngineer
07-29-2008, 05:38 PM
"the best way to sell a second dance is to squeeze his dick with your hand, look him dead in the eye, and ask for another."


:rotfl: That's awesome.

Joplin
07-29-2008, 05:43 PM
on the "do a search/ don't bring up old threads thing"

Yes, we say do a search because the question has been asked (and answered before.) No need to start a new thread.

There's nothing wrong with bringing up an old thread, and even replying to it.

The complaint generally stems from old threads from people looking for advice. Why give advice on a problem 2 years later? Pointless.

Two totally different issues made to seem like they are related. And I haven't seen cliques. There are active users, and really active users. Then there's the positive people and the whiners. The learners and the teachers. Just different personality types coming through.

That's what I was trying to say in my previous post but it didn't come out very clearly.

Miss_Luscious
07-29-2008, 05:57 PM
The one common feeling is that we should all be nicer to each other though, I think that's pretty simple, right?

Let the mods handle the rest, if/when things get out of hand let them do their job and take care of it.

Buuuuttt...what if a mod is part of the problem?

ExoticEngineer
07-29-2008, 06:04 PM
Hmm, involve a mod who isn't?

Miss_Luscious
07-29-2008, 06:16 PM
If a mod is part of the problem then that speaks volumes about the integrity of moderation on this site. If we were Something Awful (of which I am a member) then this kind of behavior would be fine but since we are suposed to be civil to each other then everyone should be held to those standards. I for one like the free-for-all of SA but that's not the way this site is set up and therefore certain people should stop acting like it is.

UltraViolet
07-29-2008, 06:19 PM
This is going right over my head, because I have no idea which mod is such a "problem"....??

Oh well. I guess if I don't have a problem, I'm good :)

TigersMilk
07-29-2008, 06:20 PM
Well if anyone has a problem with a mod then please write an email to Pryce of Stripperweb or open up a ticket. No one is going to hear you if you never speak up.

Jenny
07-29-2008, 06:22 PM
Dealing with a moderation issue has been dealt with exhaustively. You can take it to another mod or you can take it to Pryce or Tashia. If you believe that we are all equally corrupt then one would have difficult questions about the site.

Keep in mind, that like with other members, the fact that you don't see it happen doesn't mean things are not discussed and dealt with. If Pryce or another mod presents a case of unfairness to one of us, it would be done in private message, not in one of these threads.

Miss_Luscious
07-29-2008, 07:56 PM
Well if anyone has a problem with a mod then please write an email to Pryce of Stripperweb or open up a ticket. No one is going to hear you if you never speak up.

Done. I'm going to be a whistle blowing bitch from now on.

rooster470
07-29-2008, 09:08 PM
This thread gives me deja vu.

This thread gives me deja vu.

Bellona
07-29-2008, 09:24 PM
It must be an issue if the topic keeps coming up, so maybe deja vu is good.

UltraViolet
07-29-2008, 09:27 PM
From the looks of it though, I see no real solution that has been posted and really defined enough for people to be satisfied. Just my observation though, not my opinion.

UtahMike
07-29-2008, 10:18 PM
Well, cliques, customers, and mods have all been bashed, actually a little more politely than usual. Not bad for the monthly drama thread. Soon some mod will say that a range of opinions have been expressed, and the thread will be closed.

Perry
07-29-2008, 10:24 PM
Nah, I think it's got another page or 2 before things get really nasty. Then it will close. Then 3 more threads similar to it will pop up. And all of it will be referenced in other threads for a few weeks. ;)

AlexxaHex
07-29-2008, 11:05 PM
I don't mean this to sound critical of the customers here but.......

At my club I can't connect with the girls because we are in competition with each other and I want to avoid drama. That is what I love about stripper web. I'm here to get away from the customers and talk with other dancers.

That's not to say that I necessarily want you guys gone but I enjoy CC when I feel like it but I mostly want to converse with fellow dancers only.

I think that when I created this account, there was a bit of a different climate here. It's not at all what it used to be, even a few months ago it was something totally different before The Mass Exodus Of Long Time Posters.
In 2005/2006, I hardly noticed that customers were around. I felt less guarded about the topics I discussed. It seemed as though it was more private and full of better information back then, even if there were a ton of customers around. They knew how to behave or something. Or maybe I just notice them more now that I know who everyone is for the most part.

Another point I want to make is that those who are here complaining that not everyone is nice to them or they don't feel like they are "in", I implore you to find some other message boards and sign up there and make a bunch of posts before lurking and getting a feel for what the site is like. The PWNING will be far more severe. Some communities are downright vicious to noobs, far worse than SW has seen. It's happened to me on a few other forums. Some of them even enable a rating system where people can leave each other anonymous comments and give each other points or take them away. The things that people can and do say make the worst thread here look like Sesame Street.
I honestly don't think there are any viable solutions to the "problems" that people seem to be having other than what individual discrepancies could be handled by a mod.

UltraViolet
07-29-2008, 11:39 PM
I agree, it was a whole different vibe back in 2005. WTF happened? It like did a total 180....not that I am particularly distraught with it, i can deal and acclimatize. It's just....weird.

Sophia_Ashley
07-30-2008, 12:02 AM
I wish I could remember 2005 when I was on here. I didn't post too much and I just remember a few girls that no longer post on here and how upsetting it was to me when they left :(

I wasn't near as active as I've been for the last 2 years. It has changed in the last year or so. I can't say what it is but it's more than just a website. The industry as a whole has completely changed in the last few years.

But that's life. Nothing stays the same

And I think this site just experiences growing pains.

Jenny
07-30-2008, 05:54 AM
I agree, it was a whole different vibe back in 2005. WTF happened?We got a lot more trolls; I mean I've said before, but if the problem was entirely with the vets we'd have newbies withdrawing in confusion and disgust, not flinging names and starting threads about how awful this site is. We got a lot more customers with poor judgment who want to defend that judgment to the death - I think it has been made very clear in every customer-thread that the majority of regular customer posters here are perfectly well able to exercise judgment on what and where to post and are at least moderately sensitive to what this site is for; but we have a vocal, active and particularly annoying minority that simply refuses to exercise judgment in the absence of specific orders, and when asked to go on tirades about it. And unfortunately, we don't ban people here justfor being douchebags. Personally - I think it's a mistake. I think we really require a douchebag ban. And being human beings, we are fascinated with the gossip and the drama, and still resentful that those people monopolize the site with their idiocy.

This is just the long explanation of "stripperweb is a bigger high school now". I mean, the best solution would be if we could all just ignore trolls, but if being here as taught me anything it is that... we just can't. So instead we are hostile to people who resemble them.

jaizaine
07-30-2008, 05:57 AM
the majority of regular customer posters here are perfectly well able to exercise judgment on what and where to post and are at least moderately sensitive to what this site is for; but we have a vocal, active and particularly annoying minority that simply refuses to exercise judgment in the absence of specific orders, and when asked to go on tirades about it. And unfortunately, we don't ban people here justfor being douchebags. Personally - I think it's a mistake. I think we really require a douchebag ban. And being human beings, we are fascinated with the gossip and the drama, and still resentful that those people monopolize the site with their idiocy.



WORD. jenny :heartbeat :highfive:

AmberHoney
07-30-2008, 06:09 AM
I am so aloof to these things... so I haven't noticed any cliques. I do know there are several girls who work with eachother or who know eachother IRL or have met eachother several times... so naturally they will appear closer and more friendly... because, well...they are.

Cliques are natural. I think it's just a part of the human social experience.

wasfatboy
07-30-2008, 06:32 AM
hmmm looks over at joined date, yep 2003, how many posts, not many.

i think i can say i am the ultimate lurker here and have watched this site grow and change. and i usually dont make comments like this unless i really feel its needed.

one thing i have noticed that has changed in this site is sensitivity and respect.
people seemed to be more understanding and patient with noobs and didnt get all bent out of shape when a topic was repeated or brought back from the cellar. they politely added a link to the post and explained the situation. no flaming or slaming just nice helpful advice. and this created respect for the veterens.

and there have always been trolls, some of which were even worse then they are now! but there not that hard to spot, and the mods and vets would have a little fun and make them want to go away. and the noobs seemd to just sit back and watch and learn how to handle them.

but now it seems that everyones skin is raw and irritated, and nobody has the ablility to deal politly with noobs or can properly handle trolls. and when they read something that triggers hot buttons they go defcon 5 and flame wars start.

this is sad, this isnt what i thought this site was about, or atleast what it appeared to be about.

this is a community of dancers that should be supporting each other, and there are some of us customers that show our support here also. all anyone here wants is respect from there peers, and it shouldnt be hard to get. you all have danced at various locations undervarious rules. you all have customer and management problems. you all have personal home life questions that you want advice and support on.

but sometimes people get treated unfairly because it seems like its the same story over and over again. so what if it is? it may be a new person having the issue for the first time, how would you feel if you had been told search the threads first?
you girls come on here to get others opinions cus you need answers now, not after you have searched the site. you need to cry on someones shoulder now not after you see if its an old subject. you need to let people know when something worked or went well and get the kudos from your peers.

even us customers have questions and want to know what is and isnt acceptable. i myself have come on here asking about how to work with my daughter thru some trying times. and yse i am probably the exception and not the norm. but you ladies are smart enough to tell who is a troll and who isnt with in 2-3 post on the board. why not set up a "troll cage"? make a thred that you can post names of trolls in so people can see who is being stupid on line here and then ignore them? just an idea. it would help us non dancers eliminate the troll stigma from our names and just might easy the mood of the true members in the site.

but remember im a custy, and a lurker, these are just my suggestion and observations from under my rock.......

to which i now return

cutey5032
07-30-2008, 07:06 AM
We got a lot more trolls; I mean I've said before, but if the problem was entirely with the vets we'd have newbies withdrawing in confusion and disgust, not flinging names and starting threads about how awful this site is. We got a lot more customers with poor judgment who want to defend that judgment to the death - I think it has been made very clear in every customer-thread that the majority of regular customer posters here are perfectly well able to exercise judgment on what and where to post and are at least moderately sensitive to what this site is for; but we have a vocal, active and particularly annoying minority that simply refuses to exercise judgment in the absence of specific orders, and when asked to go on tirades about it. And unfortunately, we don't ban people here justfor being douchebags. Personally - I think it's a mistake. I think we really require a douchebag ban. And being human beings, we are fascinated with the gossip and the drama, and still resentful that those people monopolize the site with their idiocy.

This is just the long explanation of "stripperweb is a bigger high school now". I mean, the best solution would be if we could all just ignore trolls, but if being here as taught me anything it is that... we just can't. So instead we are hostile to people who resemble them.

I agree Jenny!! Lets get that douschebag ban under way. After the 1,098 time customers were told they can't post in SG, I swear to God I just saw a few male posts in there the other day. I think minimal male perspective is good (like in CC and Lounge) but jesus christ CAN WE JUST HAVE THE DAMN STRIPPING GENERAL TO OURSELVES PLEASE. WHY is that so hard to understand

CKXXX
07-30-2008, 09:10 AM
Nah, I think it's got another page or 2 before things get really nasty. Then it will close. Then 3 more threads similar to it will pop up. And all of it will be referenced in other threads for a few weeks. ;)

DING DING DING..we have a winner!!!


I agree, it was a whole different vibe back in 2005. WTF happened? It like did a total 180....not that I am particularly distraught with it, i can deal and acclimatize. It's just....weird.

Yeah...I joined...god..years ago..dont even remember now(since this is my third incarnation here!) It did get REALLY bad for awhile and I'm glad I took some time off to let it die and cool down. (plus I had been wanting to change my name for stalker issues...NOT good to have this site come up when a fan googles me)Its better now I think.


Personally - I think it's a mistake. I think we really require a douchebag ban.


I wholeheartedly agree. But then...what is the def. of "douchebag"? There are a few people here right now (not necessarily in this thread though) that I'd like to see banned forever. Hell..there are a cpl I'd like to see beaten with sticks. But the powers that be dont seem to see it that way...so who would be the judge of who is being douche-baggy enough to ban??