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lgrant98001
07-30-2008, 11:10 PM
Re-reading my post this morning, I decided it was poorly worded and likely to be mis-interpreted, so I edited out the text of it.
Lynn
Darcy Foxx
07-30-2008, 11:36 PM
So who is on top of the SW food chain? I posted a thread two weeks ago in Site Issues and it has all but been ignored. In fact, anytime I've questioned a moderator decision it has pretty much been ignored. I just don't think the moderators police each other the way you'd have us believe. It seems to me they do what they want and that's that. We don't get to have our say on it or get our complaints resolved.
I just don't think that a site like this should be closing every thread that gets a little heated. So what if a couple of people don't like it? They can walk away from the discussion. No one is forcing them to participate. I hate hate hate it when something gets directed at me in a discussion (by a moderator, no less) and the thread gets closed before I can defend myself. Then when I bring it up as a separate, non-inflammatory topic it gets shut down. It's as if the mods think we are a bunch of children on a playground who need "time outs" and other juvenile punishments.
Maybe it's just me who feels this way about it. I don't know.
If we close threads, people bitch. If we leave threads open, we end up with 3498798375 reported posts from people who are butthurt. You don't see how many people we have to deal with privately complaining and bitching every time a new drama thread springs up.
A lot of the time it's a lose/lose situation for us. No matter what moderation decision we take, SOMEONE is gonna be pissed and complain.
PaigeDWinter
07-30-2008, 11:37 PM
A lot of the time it's a lose/lose situation for us. No matter what moderation decision we take, SOMEONE is gonna be pissed and complain.
I love you for this.
fancygirl
07-31-2008, 12:27 AM
stripperweb has not provided everyone with ponies.
I smell a new t-shirt!
thinks of things to say on the back:
1. I got my pony, bitch. where's yours?
2. Unicorn trumps pony. (edit) A pole makes everything better.
3. Parents would never buy My Little Ponies for their kids if they knew how many of us grew up to be Strippers.
4. Hobbit Tribe Unite! We don't need no stinkin' ponies. (give me a traveling tree anyday)
5. *tiny cute kitten* "I can haz pony?" *Basement Cat with Mod Badge on* "No."
PaigeDWinter
07-31-2008, 12:30 AM
1. I got my pony, bitch. where's yours? BAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Jenny
07-31-2008, 07:08 AM
I will say I've seen a lot of threads get closed when there is nothing more than debate going on, or long after any drama has been resolved. Definitely seems power-trippy to me.
I get that it might seem like that. But I think that is one of those things where not everyone would make the exact same decision. Like we do not get a rush of satisfying power by closing a thread. It is just an administrative task - it doesn't feel that good. And not every imperfect decision is the result of us being drunk on power. I've had to alter the way I dealt with a problem and apologize for mishandling; but it was just an error in judgment, not an intent to exert power over people.
As for complaints - they are not ignored. Not all complaints have merit; that doesn't mean they are ignored.
Finally, I appreciate that a lot of people want an environment free of all but the most basic moderation. But that is not the environment we have here, and the reason it is not the environment we have here is because we all here have a lot of past experience that says it doesn't work.
Fancy girl - now stripperweb t shirts for everyone. This is how we will identify each other in strange cities. You know in fight club? "Look at my face? I'm in!" We'll be all "Look at my mysteriously absurd tshirt; I'm in."
CKXXX
07-31-2008, 07:28 AM
I vote for a t-shirt with a pony on it saying Strippers love Ponies to identify SW-ers!!LOL
And I also vote to ignore the butthurt. Remind them that they are adults and to get over it. The only things that should be reported are violations of SW rules and actual insults/bashes against other members. Not "wahhhh....they're talking about ponies and I dont like ponies so I cant join in..it's a CLIQUE" butthurt crapola.
Ava Jadore
07-31-2008, 07:33 AM
Excuse me for sounding like a kiss ass...but I am rather thankful for stripperweb. It has its flaws like anything else but I've learned so much from the people on this site. It has been a great resource for me.
AlexxaHex
07-31-2008, 10:24 AM
I vote for a t-shirt with a pony on it saying Strippers love Ponies to identify SW-ers!!LOL
And I also vote to ignore the butthurt. Remind them that they are adults and to get over it. The only things that should be reported are violations of SW rules and actual insults/bashes against other members. Not "wahhhh....they're talking about ponies and I dont like ponies so I cant join in..it's a CLIQUE" butthurt crapola.
Yeah, how is it better to close discussions rather than tell those few people to eat a dick and stfu? The only time people should be reporting posts is if they clearly break SW terms and conditions or if it's a really obvious troll. I think I've maybe reported 2 or 3 posts my whole time here, and they were not because my feelings were hurt.
TigersMilk
07-31-2008, 11:13 AM
I smell a new t-shirt!
thinks of things to say on the back:
1. I got my pony, bitch. where's yours?
2. Unicorn trumps pony. (edit) A pole makes everything better.
Oo I like the first two! I want I want!
*Iris*
07-31-2008, 11:23 AM
Hehehe
Miss_Luscious
07-31-2008, 12:44 PM
How did we get back to ponies. Everytime discussions get like this people try to "cool them down" with stuff like that. Please let us have our discussion and start a new thread if you insist on bringing up ponies.
Anyway. I are that we are treated like children on here. I also have to say to the mods, "If it don't apply, let it fly". It's not like every single on of you is a problem just one or two. And if the truth is that many of the decisions you guys make come from higher than you then I'm sorry you aren't able to make your own moderation decisions. It must suck to have a title but not the responsibility that goes with it. You guys are as helpless as us. Changes need to happen but unless the "powers that be" actually decide to run the site and implement the changes/fixes we requested...well I'm not going down that road again.
But you know what? Nothing will change. The catty bitches will continue to be that way towards others freely while threads that get heated will be deleted because we aren't adults and we can't read things that aren't nice. Yes SW has changed and it seems like only a few people (people that remeber what it used to be like) seem to see it.
Boo for all of that.
i.breathe.in
07-31-2008, 12:46 PM
How did we get back to ponies. Everytime discussions get like this people try to "cool them down" with stuff like that. Please let us have our discussion and start a new thread if you insist on bringing up ponies.
Anyway. I are that we are treated like children on here. I also have to say to the mods, "If it don't apply, let it fly". It's not like every single on of you is a problem just one or two. And if the truth is that many of the decisions you guys make come from higher than you then I'm sorry you aren't able to make your own moderation decisions. It must suck to have a title but not the responsibility that goes with it. You guys are as helpless as us. Changes need to happen but unless the "powers that be" actually decide to run the site and implement the changes/fixes we requested...well I'm not going down that road again.
But you know what? Nothing will change. The catty bitches will continue to be that way towards others freely while threads that get heated will be deleted because we aren't adults and we can't read things that aren't nice. Yes SW has changed and it seems like only a few people (people that remeber what it used to be like) seem to see it.
Boo for all of that.
*standing ovation*
*Iris*
07-31-2008, 01:02 PM
This thread is closed
CKXXX
07-31-2008, 01:04 PM
How did we get back to ponies. Everytime discussions get like this people try to "cool them down" with stuff like that. Please let us have our discussion and start a new thread if you insist on bringing up ponies.
.
Its a way of skewing off the impending drama. Plus a lot of us have been here long enough to see the same thing bitched about ad nauseum...and we know damn well that it isnt going to change. So you might as well laugh.
TigersMilk
07-31-2008, 01:06 PM
Leaving this open so others can boo, hiss and stomp their feet.
I would like a pony and a unicorn.
Sophia_Ashley
07-31-2008, 01:06 PM
I don't think calling people "names" is going to make a positive change. Calling people catty bitches is..well...being a catty bitch. It defeats the purpose and it also dumbs down any point you were trying to make. You make some rather valid points but it gets over shadowed by that in some ways.
Miss_Luscious
07-31-2008, 01:16 PM
Nope, bieng a catty bitch is popping up in thread, calling names of generally being an ass to posters. There are some people who seem to do this ll the time and continue to do it. But if the term "catty bitch" offends you then I'll just say "not nice women who are mean for no reason to others in threads".
Also, seriously TM, thanks for keeping the thread open but did you have to dismiss our concerns like that? And bring up ponies again?
*Iris*
07-31-2008, 01:19 PM
You are taking this way too seriously imo.
TigersMilk
07-31-2008, 01:19 PM
*sigh* When Pryce comes around he can read what you guys say. On a personal note, to me, there are far better things about SW than a bit of cattiness here and there. The better things still greatly outweigh the cattiness and so called cliques. So if it sounds dismissive its more of a big huge *sigh* that comes from me when this kind of thread comes up. I can't think that SW would be minus drama since we are mostly made up of women.
Sophia_Ashley
07-31-2008, 01:26 PM
I didn't take offense to it. I'm just simply saying that your posts seemed fueled by the exact same anger that you profess to turn you off from this site. That's all.
And it's just a website! Jesus. There is a ton of helpful info. More than there is shitty stuff going on. And personally a lot of good has came lately. There is less fluff and more information being shared again.
The stuff I do agree with is closing of threads like the one about the hot lap dance club. I do NOT think posts about clubs should be filtered. Everyone has different experiences good and bad and since we can't access clubs and reviews I think it is only fair that posts about clubs etc should remain intact.
NewMoon
07-31-2008, 01:32 PM
And if the truth is that many of the decisions you guys make come from higher than you then I'm sorry you aren't able to make your own moderation decisions. It must suck to have a title but not the responsibility that goes with it. I stopped reading at this point because I realize you have no idea what you are talking about.
Do you have any basic understand of social structures?
We cannot have one "higher up" because there are a ridiculous amount of small things that need to be taken care of. It would be too much work for one person. Sometimes more heads are better than one for discussing issues. Secondly, we need to have one person at the top because otherwise it is chaos.
Try imagining a large company with 1000 employees and 1 boss. Wouldn't work. Now try imaging a large company with 1000 employees and 100 bosses. It wouldn't work either. All the bosses would be fighting each other and there would be no continuity.
Now try imagining a company with 1000 employees, 100 supervisors, and 1 big boss at the top to oversee the supervisors. There we go!!!
happygiggles
07-31-2008, 01:34 PM
there is more than just "a bit" of cattiness here. apparently as shown in this thread it has been seen by many a member. and the issue here is respect. instead of people saying, i feel differently, they say we are less competent because we don't see things the way they're being seen. and some people go to check out people's post just to attack them. how a thread about some girl being mean to me at my club turned into a discussion about my child's donor and his so is totally beyond my knowledge.
Sophia_Ashley
07-31-2008, 01:40 PM
Hey lets imagine an entire company being ran by VOLUNTEERS. Our mods aren't paid to be here. They can't possibly moderate this entire thing when just like the rest of us they have work, school and even kids! Or possibly all 3 at once. They volunteered because they enjoy this site and want to help make it progress. I highly doubt it was because they have hateful agendas.
One can argue that they shouldn't have taken this on if they couldn't dedicate a ton of time to be exact in decisions. But truth in the matter is that even if they did have all the time in the world, plus pay it doesn't mean they could make everyone happy.
Just an observation but it seems that they get their teeth kicked in if they attempt to censor a thread that gets out of hand and obviously being derailed by members ...and then get their teeth kicked in IF THEY DON'T censor a thread!
How about lets all make it easy by being adults and not posting insults, picking fights or picking some small detail of a post and running with it ..making it into a mess that requires moderation. We are all adults here and there is no real reason that we can't act like it and be held responsible for our actions. And yes I'll take my own advice. Because I've been guilty of it myself
Obviously based on this thread only a small fraction of posters have an issue. Out of the ..however many registered posters...only a few have came forward with problems. Now, of course it doesn't matter how many are having a site issue their voice does count. What I'm saying is that since it's a small number of people then possibly they should PM a mod they do trust ( I find it hard to believe everyone dislikes ALL mods here ) and see if by some chance they can come to some sort of answer to the issues.
I think there are BIGGER issues other than moderation going on. I think the moderation has progressed as far as trolls, unwanted solicitations from males etc. The bigger issue is the reviews function. There is NO real reason why this isn't working. And this isn't a mod issue it's a Pryce with empty promises issue.
Bellona
07-31-2008, 01:50 PM
I also agree with the bullying that goes on.
People constantly will post in a thread not because they have anything to say to contribute about the topic but just to say something snarky and rude.
Miss_Luscious
07-31-2008, 01:50 PM
I stopped reading at this point because I realize you have no idea what you are talking about.
Do you have any basic understand of social structures?
We cannot have one "higher up" because there are a ridiculous amount of small things that need to be taken care of. It would be too much work for one person. Sometimes more heads are better than one for discussing issues. Secondly, we need to have one person at the top because otherwise it is chaos.
Try imagining a large company with 1000 employees and 1 boss. Wouldn't work. Now try imaging a large company with 1000 employees and 100 bosses. It wouldn't work either. All the bosses would be fighting each other and there would be no continuity.
Now try imagining a company with 1000 employees, 100 supervisors, and 1 big boss at the top to oversee the supervisors. There we go!!!
What? Where did I say we should or should not have one higher up? My point was that the mods say a lot of the decisions to close/delete threads come from higher than them and that seems to take the moderation powers away form the moderators. Please quote where I said what you think I said so I can be more clear on what you are trying to claim I don't know what I'm talking about.
Also, my point in all this is not that the whole site is horrible and there is nothing good about it. The point was that there are problems (like the ones happygigles mentioned) that should be adressed differently. In fact, the issues happygiggles have been having sparked me to speak out in this thread truth be told. Also, I (and others) are unhappy with many of the thread closings/deletions.
I don't take the internet seriously and I don't even come here or post that often (look at when i joined and my post count for evidence of that) but when I'm here there are certain things that bug me that I am entitled to speak out on, right? Or should I just shut up and post about ponies?
NewMoon
07-31-2008, 01:55 PM
I did quote the part I felt was relevant.
I was an admin on a site as bit as SW for a few years and I most certainly gave directions to my moderators. You NEED someone at the top. Criticizing the moderators for taking directions from Pryce is like criticizing a manager for taking directions from the owner.
I'm not saying you shouldn't post. I'm just saying I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Sophia_Ashley
07-31-2008, 01:58 PM
Everyone has mentioned the rudeness, people derailing threads and such. What is the proposed course of action that would solve this? I'm not saying this to be rude, I'm curious as to know what everyone feels would solve this issue?
Again I don't feel that is something mods can change no matter how hard they try. That's more based on the person(s) posting and their attitudes. So it seems that the only true solution to rid the site that those problematic people is to ban them. Correct? Otherwise nothing really can be done unless people chose to own up to their own shitastic behavior and actively work to rectify it. And for most, pride and egos get in the way so they just blame their behavior on other people.
I have no problem owning up to the fact I can be overbearing, an asshole and my behavior unjustifiable some of the time. And I have no problem fixing it either. If more people did this, there would less issues on here.
People are still going to read things and opinions they may not agree with or feel they didn't ask for yet were given. There's nothing anyone can seriously do about that IMO. Other than just ignore the things that don't really matter to you. Once you start arguing about it, or debating you are feeding it and it just goes off from there.
NewMoon
07-31-2008, 02:00 PM
Everyone has mentioned the rudeness, people derailing threads and such. What is the proposed course of action that would solve this? I'm not saying this to be rude, I'm curious as to know what everyone feels would solve this issue? I made a few propositions awhile back.
1. More respect for new members.
2. Stop the competitiveness (eg. bragging you are top earner, ect.)
Sophia_Ashley
07-31-2008, 02:09 PM
I don't really notice the competitiveness. I'm not saying it's not here...but I find it silly that people would believe 100% of what people claim to earn. We all know better than to do so in the dressing room. This site is a glorified dressing room. For the most part the same rules apply here as they do in life. But then again maybe I don't see the sections that those threads are posted in. Example?
And I think respect for ALL members new and old should just be common sense. However, it appears that not everyone (myself sometimes included) has it. There will always be a cautiousness to befriending newer posters, just as there is to befriending total strangers. But being cautious and being a cunt are two different things. Some don't realize this. ...again myself included.
NewMoon
07-31-2008, 02:11 PM
It's not whether I believe it or not. I just get annoyed with braggy comments, especially when they are done in a condescending manner.
I'd rather not point out an example because I don't want to single out anyone in this thread but if you would like one, PM me.
Sophia_Ashley
07-31-2008, 02:12 PM
No, that's okay. I just didn't know if it was in Hustle hut...etc. I wasn't looking for a specific thread just what forum they are being posted in.
NewMoon
07-31-2008, 02:16 PM
I spend most of my time in Hustle Hut and secondly Stripping General.
Sophia_Ashley
07-31-2008, 02:19 PM
Ah okay. I assumed hustle hut because where else would we discuss our earnings. I have nothing to say or add to that since I don't participate in that forum.
cutey5032
07-31-2008, 02:26 PM
MissLuscious I just want to say i agree with all your points
rooster470
07-31-2008, 02:52 PM
Here's a unicorn for everybody!!! :)
Miss_Luscious
07-31-2008, 02:59 PM
I did quote the part I felt was relevant.
I was an admin on a site as bit as SW for a few years and I most certainly gave directions to my moderators. You NEED someone at the top. Criticizing the moderators for taking directions from Pryce is like criticizing a manager for taking directions from the owner.
I'm not saying you shouldn't post. I'm just saying I don't think you know what you are talking about.
If you think I don't know what I'm talking about then that's fin. But since you said yourself you spend most of your time in only two of the subforums so you probably miss a lot of what I'm trying to say. And if your join date is correct, then you may not have an idea of what I am saying when I talk about the changes the site has gone through. For the record, I never said the mods shouldn't listen to Pryce but when Pryce pops in and closes and/or deletes threads that really don't don't need to be closed, I think it's kinda messed up. But since you've been an admin on some other site I guess I'll have to take you expert word on moderation fairness.
Sophia_Ashley - You were one of the ones I was refering to and I'm glad that you are working to improve that. I appreciate when people are adult enough to admit when they are wrong and try to fix it. Thank You for that.
Sophia_Ashley
07-31-2008, 03:09 PM
Hey no problem. I know I tend to be a know it all and get on a high horse. Trust me I'm aware it's not one of my more endearing qualities. I do it in real life too and it's been something I've taken an active approach to rectify.
NewMoon
07-31-2008, 03:21 PM
Miss_Luscious - I was commenting on one specific point you made, not the just of your argument. Don't mind me coming on headstrong, I am just like that whenever it comes to moderation issues.
Miss_Luscious
07-31-2008, 03:36 PM
Miss_Luscious - I was commenting on one specific point you made, not the just of your argument. Don't mind me coming on headstrong, I am just like that whenever it comes to moderation issues.
Your headstrong-ness bothers me not one iota. I'm headstrong myself. My problem is that you told me I don't know what I'm talking about. You could have said, "I think you're wrong because my experience..." but you instead decided to insult me. That's a good example of the kind of stuff I'm talking about on this site.
NewMoon
07-31-2008, 03:38 PM
I'm sorry. If I had waited 10 minutes before I posted I probably would have said it differently. I just get all caught up in moderation shit because of what I used to do. No excuse, though. I need to get over it.
Miss_Luscious
07-31-2008, 03:46 PM
Thanks. I hold no grudges or animosity so it's sqashed in my eyes. We're e-friends now.
NewMoon
07-31-2008, 03:49 PM
e-friends? I feel special lol. Thanks :)
TigersMilk
07-31-2008, 04:01 PM
ITA with you all.
i.breathe.in
07-31-2008, 04:01 PM
ITA? whats that one?
TigersMilk
07-31-2008, 04:04 PM
Um I totally agree.
fancygirl
07-31-2008, 04:06 PM
Its a way of skewing off the impending drama. Plus a lot of us have been here long enough to see the same thing bitched about ad nauseum...and we know damn well that it isnt going to change. So you might as well laugh.
agreed. I refuse to get angry about anything, and if I'm going to have a token cause it's going to be that the damn club reviews needs to be fixed. I'm not going to get all heated up about anything else until Pryce and any other higher ups get serious about fixing what should be one of the easiest things to fix about this site. Why should I let myself get annoyed about mere members of the site when I feel like the owner doesn't care enough about the site to fix that one part? Love to Pryce for all he's done in the past-- but it's going on, what? longer than a year or two that the club section has been fucked up? Yes, there's a backward way to get into the reviews, but it doesn't always work and it's not easy when all one wants to do is click on one review and immediately skip to the next without having to jump through all the html hoops.
so until then, I'll joke around about pony t-shirts. If the person running the site isn't going to take something as basic as club reviews seriously, then why should I?
fancygirl
07-31-2008, 04:08 PM
Also, seriously TM, thanks for keeping the thread open but did you have to dismiss our concerns like that? And bring up ponies again?
hey now. I was the one that brought it up again. See above.
Miss_Luscious
07-31-2008, 04:12 PM
Quick question (and a derail, sorry). What are we supposed to do when our ticket is site issues is isn't replied to? I've waited the appropriate time but I've still got nothing.
TigersMilk
07-31-2008, 04:15 PM
Sorry, you just have to keep waiting. :/ The new system has got to get old soon.