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Sophia_Ashley
08-02-2008, 10:42 AM
Oh, my god. Did someone just say something . . . nice about us? Jenny, come here and hold my hand.
Ive said lots of nice somethings! :)
ExoticEngineer
08-02-2008, 10:42 AM
I'm wondering who would be unhappy with a fixed C&R, more respect between posters, changes in mods who don't act like mods and less closure/deletion of threads that aren't "nice". Who would be put out by these changes?
Hehehehe, Miss_L....you're feisty, hopefully you know I didn't mean that people wouldn't want a nicer environment. I'm pretty sure that'd be universal. ;)
Cherry Valence
08-02-2008, 10:45 AM
OK so the site is free and "borne out of love of dancers." And the benefactor helps us be here, but no one will tell us how much it actually costs to run this site and plans for fund raising have gone on for a long time. I don't think people are complaining for naught; they are genuinely frustrated that they don't know how to help and no one seems to respond to the questions. Oh and someone did start her own review site for strippers. It's http://strippersontheroad.com/.
Thanks Lena!
I already posted it Jenny, and I don't see why it would be a bad thing because she posted it in her signature.
Miss_Luscious
08-02-2008, 10:51 AM
Hehehehe, Miss_L....you're feisty
I know. But I just want SW to be better. Sometimes I just have a kinda smartass and sarcastic way of getting my points across but I always strive to be respectful of others. I hope you know I wasn't attacking you or trying to be an asshole about it. But judging by the smiley I'm assuming you do.
ExoticEngineer
08-02-2008, 10:54 AM
No, I know you weren't, and even if you were, the great thing about us is we can CHOOSE TO NOT GET UPSET over things we read.
And yes, smileys really help get our emotions across...it's impossible to read sarcasm, humor, any emotion really.
K, so how do you all feel about that idea of have a board dedicated to C&R for a bit until things get sorted out? You'd have to scroll around a lot more, sure, but it would all be there at least. Thoughts?
britt244
08-02-2008, 10:55 AM
isnt club chat kind of a c&r board already? how would another board be different?
pookie
08-02-2008, 10:57 AM
Click!
ExoticEngineer
08-02-2008, 10:57 AM
Well, it could be a bit more organized, for example, you'd have boards dedicated to that state, so you wouldn't have to wander through 50 posts about Vegas before you got to Oregon. Just thinking out loud here....
Joplin
08-02-2008, 10:59 AM
Yha club chat is already our make-shift C&R. If someone is going to take the time and work on dumping PP for another CC, well...I'd rather them start working on C&R instead.
Joplin
08-02-2008, 10:59 AM
ahah, sounds like I'm typing in code^
pookie
08-02-2008, 11:00 AM
strippers morris code. click click clique.... click click....... clique clique click!
Miss_Luscious
08-02-2008, 11:01 AM
I think as a temporary fix a C&R board may be good. Categorize by State and such. But I also don't want that to become permenant. C&R as a tool should be fixed and I don't want anyone (Pryce) getting the idea that since we already have a board that there is no need to fix the actual C&R.
But Joplin does have a point...
Yha club chat is already our make-shift C&R. If someone is going to take the time and work on dumping PP for another CC, well...I'd rather them start working on C&R instead.
Cherry Valence
08-02-2008, 11:08 AM
What Pryce said in the Survey Results post he did:
23% - Fix Club Reviews
I've addressed this topic above and understand it is a great resource and critical for you – like most other industry-specific features. I have spoken with some developers, but I am not yet ready to move forward with any of them. We will also have to begin the fundraiser before I can take on the financial responsibility of hiring a developer.
So, we have to begin the fundraiser before we get Clubs and Reviews back.
BTW, I agree with TOO that this site could be profitable. However, I'm sure any changes that would make the site profitable would just be met with complaints, too.
Joplin
08-02-2008, 11:11 AM
Wow, I'm surprised only 23% of people wanted C&R fixed....
CKXXX
08-02-2008, 11:14 AM
So when IS this fundraiser and what will it be It seems like we've been talking about it for ages but nobody(except the chosen few I assume) know anything about it.
I worked in event planning..mostly doing awards banquets and fundraisers...for awhile...I'd be happy to help!
i.breathe.in
08-02-2008, 11:14 AM
Wow, I'm surprised only 23% of people wanted C&R fixed....
hell half the people dont know it exists im sure...
britt244
08-02-2008, 11:14 AM
^ 23% of the people who took the survey. 100% of people who took it arent current dancers so i cant see why it would matter to them.
also.. as a dancer, i dont really care about clubs & reviews. ive worked at a lot of clubs in my area and learned that i cant base my choices off others reviews. i would rather find out for myself. there are clubs i hate hate HATE and other girls love. my club i just left(due to drama with the ex, not club related stuff) i recommended to people but its not for everyone and they hated it.
Miss_Luscious
08-02-2008, 11:15 AM
The survey also said that most of the members have only been here for one or two years. They may not have been here when C&R actually worked!
virgoamm
08-02-2008, 11:16 AM
I hate to be Debbie Downer here, but we can all make suggestions like these until we're blue in the face. It's like talking to a brick wall, unfortunately.
Miss_Luscious
08-02-2008, 11:16 AM
I worked in event planning..mostly doing awards banquets and fundraisers...for awhile...I'd be happy to help!
Yo tambien aka Me too. I've done fundraising for a long time. I would also be willing to help.
Kaiyla
08-02-2008, 11:18 AM
I am surprised too. C&R is such an amazing resource. I apologize for being totally oblivious on what it takes to run a website, but how come getting C&R up again has been such an issue?
Miss_Luscious
08-02-2008, 11:21 AM
^^
Because. That's the reason we've been given. Just because.
i.breathe.in
08-02-2008, 11:25 AM
becuase apparently internet gremlins have destroyed it beyond repair.....
which i find pretty impossible. websites are made with coding, coding can be repaired or redone. if its in such a bad state get a hacker to fix it.
Lysondra
08-02-2008, 11:36 AM
Didn't we write a code to get past the coding errors ourselves at some point? Couldn't we just impliment that? or has it changed again since then?
Joplin
08-02-2008, 11:46 AM
I thought even that stopped working.
britt244
08-02-2008, 12:33 PM
i dont know much about computers but how does something just stop working? like, the way around it.. how does that just not work one day?
ExoticEngineer
08-02-2008, 12:51 PM
code can break, especially if it was broken to begin with, and someone created a code to get around it.
For example, if a code was written to tell a server to read a web page a certain way, but that code is not perfect...it has "bugs" then eventually the server will stop reading that webpage, and it will "act funny".
So then a new code is written to to try and get the server to read the page correctly...but since that new code is just a trickier version of the old code, there's no telling if it will work and for how long.
Programmers call these hacks. And hacks don't work on all browsers and they don't always work they way they are supposed to. I don't know why the C&R section stopped working, and I don't know why it hasn't been fixed. But if it's an issue with the program itself, it may take a while to figure out what's wrong with it. And vBulletin forums are tricky, they are great forums, that come with all sorts of cool features, but they are a pain in the ass too.
I'm not sure how else to describe how and why a code breaks or stops working, maybe someone else who knows programming could put it into easier terms to understand? Utah Mike? are you around?
Helle
08-02-2008, 02:59 PM
i like how we keep getting "ITS TOO HARD AND TOO MUCH EFFORT AND TOO EXPENSIVE TO FIX" it's like, jesus, whoever runs and codes this vboard acts like it's rocket science.
it's juuuuuuust a website, no one i asking you to fix the fucking space shuttle.
websites much bigger (and much smaller) get this kind of shit fixed in under a day, let alone two years. and i know people (like me) have offered help with coding, cash, bandwidth bla bla bla...
...it's not that it's hard to fix, it's just no one wants to do it right now.
Jenny
08-02-2008, 03:38 PM
Velvet, you were so out of line. No one said "Velvet is a horrible mod" In fact, no one said anything personally about any of the mods at all. We don't like how threads are closed and deleted but I haven't seen anything that that attacked any one mod. No. But not being retarded we are frequently aware when we are being namelessly targeted. Notwithstanding - I think velvet acknowledged that she had lost her temper and was out of line already when someone pointed it earlier, fairly non-maliciously.
Someone said "this was totally inappropriate especially for a mod" and she said "I'm sorry, you're right, I hope nobody was offended". If every dispute ended like that we would have no need for moderators at all.
In an ideal world you would have perfect mods and we would have perfect members. It not being an ideal world we do the best we can, admit and rectify our mistakes and give each other more chances. I would point out that some of the people complaining about mods in this thread have been the recipients of a lot more tolerance, understanding and extra chances then they are willing to give out.
anomar
08-02-2008, 03:57 PM
i like how we keep getting "ITS TOO HARD AND TOO MUCH EFFORT AND TOO EXPENSIVE TO FIX" it's like, jesus, whoever runs and codes this vboard acts like it's rocket science.
it's juuuuuuust a website, no one i asking you to fix the fucking space shuttle.
websites much bigger (and much smaller) get this kind of shit fixed in under a day, let alone two years. and i know people (like me) have offered help with coding, cash, bandwidth bla bla bla...
...it's not that it's hard to fix, it's just no one wants to do it right now.
This is a very negative post. You are just complaining about other people unwilling to do things, with minimal conception of what is necessary, and you're not also offering any solutions.
I understand being frustrated, but you're completely putting down anyone who is in a position to help and not contributing to the solution.
Obviously it is not rocket science -- could you identify and fix the problem that you are discussing here?
Helle
08-02-2008, 04:46 PM
i said in my post people LIKE/SUCH AS me have offered to help in the past, meaning, yes, i have LITERALLY offered help. i've worked/work for sites much larger than these.
someone earlier said the vbcode is a hard thing to fix and i'm saying yeah, it is, but not two years hard. hence, the reason the work isn't getting done is it's not someones priority, NOT because it's 'too hard'.
yeah, it's a negative post because that's how i feel about it; negatively. i'm not saying anyone has to agree with it or is a butthead if they don't agree, it's just how i feel.
yeah, i've been in one of these discussions in the past on this site and yeah, we talked about a bandwidth/coding issue. at the time, i had offered to help and was directed to talk to pryve about it, but obv, nothing came of it. i'd link to the last time we had this discussion but a) it's in site issues and b) it's all just rederic at this point anyway. all of this crap has been said 0874580943 times.
Elvia
08-02-2008, 06:28 PM
Personally, I've given up on it at this point. Which is sad, it was a great resource, and in an industry where our safety as workers isn't always valued, an important one at times as well.
At least someone else has started a dancer review site. Maybe those of us who feel so inclined should invest our time over there when it comes to reviews instead of waiting for this one to be revived.
RIP C&R. I hardly knew ye.
Miss_Luscious
08-02-2008, 07:10 PM
No. But not being retarded we are frequently aware when we are being namelessly targeted.
Well don't worry about being namelessly targeted by me any longer, I'm naming names from now on. But as I said before, it's not all the mods. I'm not sure why you guys insist on taking offense as a whole group when only a few of you are the problem. Unless someone says "Miss Luscious blah blah blah" I'm not going to assume they are talking directly to or about me.
Chili Palmer
08-02-2008, 09:33 PM
The kvetching, fingerpointing and mild drama aside, both "sides" have valid arguments. Now, more than ever with this shaky economy, the dancers on this site need the Clubs & Reviews resource available to them. I believe that's why they're so focused on that particular SW failing, as it goes beyond the social interaction and speaks to their careers and pocketbooks.
The mods and even TOO (when he's not reminding us again that he won't remind us anymore about the money he contributes) bring up valuable points with respect to limted resources available; namely, time and money.
The crux of the issue is really communication. It was really kind of cruel of Pryce to raise the hopes of the members of this site with the Survey and then the posting of the results without offering some type of timeline ("soon" just doesn't pay the rent). The anger and antipathy from not knowing causes the members to lash out at the mods, deserved or not.
Many here have run a website of one type or another (I did back in 97-00) and we all know how much time and energy even a small site can suck up. But it is puzzling how a site owner can essentially abandon a site that is so fluid and everchanging as this site is. My point is simply, a few brief sentences from Pryce would go a lot farther than the same old pronouncements from TOO and the same old rationalizations from the mods (who are also kept out of the loop by Pryce, apparently).
TOO, if you really want to help StripperWeb (as opposed to making it your personal hunting ground), I would respectfully recommend you hit whatever speed dial number you have for Curtis' cell phone and have him just make a small, brief appearance, and give the natives some type of bone, even if it isn't what we want to hear. Knowing a negative is a helluva lot better than not knowing anything at all.
CP
UltraViolet
08-02-2008, 09:36 PM
Thank god, somebody said it perfectly!
Sophia_Ashley
08-02-2008, 09:46 PM
Applause.
pinkpvc
08-02-2008, 10:04 PM
This thread, in its whole, has been done before as many of you know.
I'm one of the people who thinks C & R could be rescued or even started again in a timely and straight forward manner. I haven't personally set up and maintained a vbulletin forum, but its php based with a mysql database and now we're talking first year in college territory.
I'm sure that in all the members of this site where is someone who knows enough to fix C&R for very little money or even for free.
A few members have already offered to do this for free.
I know the powers that be don't care about my opinion and don't want to hear it again but since everyones getting their piece in why not :P
At least the error messages have changed!
I understand now how Pryce is so unmotivated to fix clubs and reviews. That's hard shit! I went through a gazillion attempts at different data programs when I was setting up www.strippersontheroad.com, and even though I know it's just wordpress, there was some hardcore wordpress hacking involved for it to work right (thank Goddess for programmer friends, cause the more I fixed stuff the more it broke), and then like thirty hours of entering all the clubs in the country. It's harder than it seems.
pinkpvc
08-02-2008, 10:39 PM
Perhaps it is the motivation thats lacking. Maybe i'm weird in that I enjoy fiddling with things for hours on end (Tweak every fresh install of oscommerce until it is unrecognisable...or it breaks lol). So it seems easy in comparison because its rewarding.
Jenny
08-02-2008, 11:46 PM
Well don't worry about being namelessly targeted by me any longer, I'm naming names from now on.
Well, okay. But I would not be surprised if that raised another set of problems. There is a way to handle moderation complaints. This is not it.
But as I said before, it's not all the mods. I'm not sure why you guys insist on taking offense as a whole group when only a few of you are the problemBecause your characterization is incorrect, and you might be surprised but every member here has their favourite whipping mod, and they are not all yours.
twisterinAZ
08-02-2008, 11:56 PM
The kvetching, fingerpointing and mild drama aside, both "sides" have valid arguments. Now, more than ever with this shaky economy, the dancers on this site need the Clubs & Reviews resource available to them. I believe that's why they're so focused on that particular SW failing, as it goes beyond the social interaction and speaks to their careers and pocketbooks.
The mods and even TOO (when he's not reminding us again that he won't remind us anymore about the money he contributes) bring up valuable points with respect to limted resources available; namely, time and money.
The crux of the issue is really communication. It was really kind of cruel of Pryce to raise the hopes of the members of this site with the Survey and then the posting of the results without offering some type of timeline ("soon" just doesn't pay the rent). The anger and antipathy from not knowing causes the members to lash out at the mods, deserved or not.
Many here have run a website of one type or another (I did back in 97-00) and we all know how much time and energy even a small site can suck up. But it is puzzling how a site owner can essentially abandon a site that is so fluid and everchanging as this site is. My point is simply, a few brief sentences from Pryce would go a lot farther than the same old pronouncements from TOO and the same old rationalizations from the mods (who are also kept out of the loop by Pryce, apparently).
TOO, if you really want to help StripperWeb (as opposed to making it your personal hunting ground), I would respectfully recommend you hit whatever speed dial number you have for Curtis' cell phone and have him just make a small, brief appearance, and give the natives some type of bone, even if it isn't what we want to hear. Knowing a negative is a helluva lot better than not knowing anything at all.
CP
OH snap ! Well said CP !
Sophia_Ashley
08-02-2008, 11:57 PM
I like to whip Darcy and ride ponies while doing so.
Just sayin'. :)
I think chili summed it rather well and put it in ways that I couldn't. For clarification purposes I don't believe anyone is the enemy here. I think the fact that we are dependent or at least one time were..on C&R gets under our skin. There just isn't any other site with that much compiled info about clubs except SCL and god help if girls have to get their info from that damn site. Shit maybe that's the reason for the influx of lap humpers!
I know I did at least 4 or 5 reviews on here on my last handle and I didn't just give a fluff detailed review. I put some effort into that shit. I did it so OTHER people could read it. Chicago is a tough city and it's scary trying to figure out your options. Not all of us on here live in cities with a lot to choose from. And not to be able to research it before wasting gas (considering the prices) and our time by going somewhere to find out the laws are weird and we are required to have attire we don't have. Sure to some it's not that important. To us where this is our career it is vital. And people will argue you can ask on here.
Well I'd like to make a friendly reminder that not all of us want our SW name known in the club. Sure we can make a fake new handle but shit then people probably won't respond! It's nice to do the research anon. without worry of our personal lives and what we post on SW invading the club. Because it does happen. And okay maybe we shouldn't all post so freely but at the same time...if people put two and two together that's one thing. It's another to basically out yourself on purpose because you have to.
And this isn't a waahhh I'm attempting to be productive here by beating this dead horse into pieces in hopes someone will take notice. Being a nag sometimes pays off. Or so my mom swears.
Darcy Foxx
08-03-2008, 12:06 AM
I like to whip Darcy and ride ponies while doing so.
*purrs*
Sophia_Ashley
08-03-2008, 12:08 AM
Please photoshop your head onto a pony. And me on the pony with a whip! I need this in my life
BohemianSiren
08-03-2008, 12:52 AM
I have a question: can mods be pointed by other mods? I'm sincerely curious.
Darcy Foxx
08-03-2008, 12:55 AM
^ I'm actually not sure.
I think if there seems to be a problem with a mod, rather than point we would just raise the issue in the mod forums. That's what we've done in the past.
Perry
08-03-2008, 01:11 AM
CP, THANK YOU!!! I left my club in tears tonight and I wondering if I should leave. But the only resourses I have are TUSL and SCL... neither one could give a fuck less about the dancer's money, treatment or general satisfaction.
BohemianSiren
08-03-2008, 01:16 AM
I think if there seems to be a problem with a mod, rather than point we would just raise the issue in the mod forums. That's what we've done in the past.
Thank you for the answer, Darcy. Do you think that members might feel more comfortable if they knew that the mods were subject to the same disciplinary system as the rest of us? Of course this would place additional responsibility on the moderators by extending their responsibilities, but I think that it would ease some of the mistrust.
Sophia_Ashley
08-03-2008, 01:22 AM
CP, THANK YOU!!! I left my club in tears tonight and I wondering if I should leave. But the only resourses I have are TUSL and SCL... neither one could give a fuck less about the dancer's money, treatment or general satisfaction.
That's my point as well. I don't know what TUSL is I assume it's like SCL ? Those sites are good for dancers flaming other dancers at their club and nothing more. Oh and finding the clubs hours and website.
Otherwise it's like getting info from aka a sex hobbiest board. Nothing worse!
stripperMBA
08-03-2008, 01:46 AM
As it stands now this site is free. So therefore I will consider something broken the norm. Like that saying, "You get what you pay for." We are all recieving free access to a valuable trade site. Atleast that is what it is for me. I am thankful to the mods for keeping all the trolls out, and for Pryce for keeping the site up regardless of how much s:censored: he gets from everyone. Sure this site could be better. But as it stands now this is one of the few havens for dancers. So instead of getting pissed off and cranky about clubs and reviews being down. I choose to be thankful for what I have access to. I am going to add a few reviews to Lena's site. I encourage others to do the same.