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mr_punk
08-27-2008, 07:38 PM
LOL...no. actually, it's far worse than your canadian brain can imagine. i'm actually saying a stripper should do her job. i know it's a frightening thought and fighting words for you shiftless types, but take a couple of deep breaths. you'll be okay.

Jenny
08-27-2008, 07:43 PM
LOL...no. actually, it's far worse than your canadian brain can imagine. i'm actually saying a stripper should do her job. i know it's a frightening thought and fighting words for you shiftless types, but take a couple of deep breaths. you'll be okay.
And of course the content of our job should be determined by our self-admitted most unpalatable customers.
I mean, I have this argument all the time with people in other jobs. Like wait staff - the other day I was like "Dude, just let me put it in your ass. God - waiters could not be more incompetent." And when he said that he didn't think it was part of his job - I scoffed and informed him that I thought I was in a better position than he was to know what I was paying for. In the end, I just moved on to a different waiter who was less of a flake and would just let me do what I wanted - but what do you expect from these guys?

jester214
08-27-2008, 08:33 PM
^^^As I beleive you are fond of saying, those two examples aren't comparable.

Jenny
08-27-2008, 09:17 PM
^^^As I beleive you are fond of saying, those two examples aren't comparable.
All I know is that I will not pay for eggs unless I get to anally penetrate the server; any server who objects is just being flaky. But hey - what else would you expect from waitstaff people? And I absolutely think I should be able to define what constitutes good service - I am, after all, the one being served and the one paying. Surely this gives me some standing to determine this, regardless of the fact that I am obviously the least desirable customer possible. Like, what? Are you going to say that they should be deciding themselves what good service is? That seems a little self-serving - they are only claiming that good service doesn't involve anal-rape to avoid doing it. Typical. Trying to do the bare minimum.

In all seriousness, one could make a compelling argument that demanding illegal acts (as most high contact is) cannot be called a legitimate part of someone's job and that demanding it puts fault on the demander, and that the person refusing is the furthest thing from "flaky"; "bad at her job" or "unexcellent" or whatever else descriptors might be used and really only a mediocre argument that men should just have whatever sexual gratification they want wherever and whenever they want it. I read many arguments on both sides - it is really, really hard to make the argument "she just owes it to men in general to break local laws, endanger her record and her future to get him off in the way he expects" compelling. There have been attempts.

bsteve
08-27-2008, 09:21 PM
There you go again comparing the sex industry to other service industries. Don't do that, it simply doesn't work that way. The "service" that you are buying here is a three minute exchange between a man and a woman, not a trip to the dry cleaners. Among other things good or bad is completely subjective among both parties involved.


As I wrote about a month back in my introduction I do visit other non-stripper sites, and I do interact with people IRL, and just about everyone thinks that their profession is somehow special. A lot of physician think that general rules of service industries somehow do not apply to them. Attorney think along the same lines. Or drug dealers. Everyone thinks that they are above that.

But in reality market forces, regulations, quality assurance, supply-damand balance, quality-quantity-price relationship, customer expectations, dealing with poor quality products, etc. play roles in all of these businesses. As a matter of fact, stripping is much more prototypical service industry then any of the three above-mentioned services.

Yes, I believe that handling poor-quality dances can be handled in a similar way as other poor-quality services.

Jenny
08-27-2008, 09:32 PM
Yes, I believe that handling poor-quality dances can be handled in a similar way as other poor-quality services.
There are many ways in which all the above professions are different from other professions.
And this is a way in stripping is different from restaurants. It would be stupid for a dancer to comp a dissatisfied customer. The reason it would be stupid is because a) chances are good that the customer is dissatisfied for some amorphous non-quantifiable or non-foreseeable reason (witness some of the reasons given here - "inadequate intimacy" or "didn't pay enough attention to my ears") and b) because unlike a restaurant it will not help preserve future business if the customer was dissatisfied - next time he is still going to go with someone else and c) on the off chance it does get you another dance it will likely just be in order to garner the same result - i.e. another freebie. The best thing the dancer can do is collect her fee and move on to customers who will likely be more satisfied, not waste time trying to preserve something that is by nature not terribly quantifiable.
See? It makes sense for a restaurant to comp a cheque under certain circumstances. It does not make sense for a dancer to do so.

bsteve
08-27-2008, 09:53 PM
But in businesses they do that if there is a quantifiable problem that was the fault of the establishment, and they voluntarily comp to try to preserve future business; it's not like the customer is just automatically relieved of the obligation to pay. Some guy saying "that dance just isn't hot enough for me" is about on par with a guy saying "that food just wasn't tasty enough. I decline to pay my bill" or "My waitress was inattentive. I decline to pay."


I pretty much agree with you. There is no question that a dance that is "not hot enough" is not a good excuse not to pay.

But just as a meal that has a couple of dead roaches is bad enough of a meal that should not be paid for, so too I believe that there exists a point at which a dance may be some bad that it should not be paid for. Would you expect a customer to pay if the dancer would, in words of grindonme "text on her phone, just stand there and do one move the whole song, try to start and dance in the middle of the song and then ask for $$$$$ when it ends"?

Jenny
08-27-2008, 10:11 PM
I pretty much agree with you. There is no question that a dance that is "not hot enough" is not a good excuse not to pay.

But just as a meal that has a couple of dead roaches is bad enough of a meal that should not be paid for, so too I believe that there exists a point at which a dance may be some bad that it should not be paid for. Would you expect a customer to pay if the dancer would, in words of grindonme "text on her phone, just stand there and do one move the whole song, try to start and dance in the middle of the song and then ask for $$$$$ when it ends"?
Yes.
As I pointed out before - the restaurant comps in hope of some kind of preservation of business. The customer is not just relieved of his obligation to pay by a random sense of fairness in the universe. The restaurant (not the customer) decides if it is advantageous to them to comp the cheque. I've just pointed out all the reasons it would not likely be advantageous to the dancer to do the same thing, and why they are not likely to make that decision. Therefore the customer should, indeed, have to pay.

bsteve
08-27-2008, 10:28 PM
There are many ways in which all the above professions are different from other professions.
And this is a way in stripping is different from restaurants. It would be stupid for a dancer to comp a dissatisfied customer. The reason it would be stupid is because a) chances are good that the customer is dissatisfied for some amorphous non-quantifiable or non-foreseeable reason (witness some of the reasons given here - "inadequate intimacy" or "didn't pay enough attention to my ears") and b) because unlike a restaurant it will not help preserve future business if the customer was dissatisfied - next time he is still going to go with someone else and c) on the off chance it does get you another dance it will likely just be in order to garner the same result - i.e. another freebie. The best thing the dancer can do is collect her fee and move on to customers who will likely be more satisfied, not waste time trying to preserve something that is by nature not terribly quantifiable.
See? It makes sense for a restaurant to comp a cheque under certain circumstances. It does not make sense for a dancer to do so.

The circumstances are comparable.

Regarding your point (a): Just because a customer complaines does not automatically mean that he should be comped. For lame reasons, a restaurant would not comp. For good reasons, a restaurant would comp. Similarly, if a custie complains about some lame reason such as "not being hot enough", then he should not be comped. But if there is a good reason, then he should be. It simply is good business not to try to screw customers out of money.

Regarding your point (b): a customer can easily go to a different restaurant as he can go to a different stripper. As a matter of fact, in most cities I'd bet that there is a bigger selection of restaurants then there are strippers in a particular SC.

Regarding your point (c): the dangers of trumped up, invalid reasons is present in both settings.


To be perfectly honest, in my line of work, from time to time, I am forced to comp as well. And I hate it. Not only because of the lost revenue, but because of the possibility that the client was not happy with my service to begin with. I want to delight clients, not have them be disappointed.

bsteve
08-27-2008, 10:33 PM
Yes.
As I pointed out before - the restaurant comps in hope of some kind of preservation of business.


That is true for dancers as well.



The customer is not just relieved of his obligation to pay by a random sense of fairness in the universe. The restaurant (not the customer) decides if it is advantageous to them to comp the cheque.


QTF



I've just pointed out all the reasons it would not likely be advantageous to the dancer to do the same thing, and why they are not likely to make that decision. Therefore the customer should, indeed, have to pay.

I understand what you are saying, but I do not agree with you. But because you have much more experience in this business, I will have to defer to you on this.

Jenny
08-27-2008, 10:49 PM
The circumstances are comparable.

Regarding your point (a): Just because a customer complaines does not automatically mean that he should be comped. For lame reasons, a restaurant would not comp. For good reasons, a restaurant would comp. Similarly, if a custie complains about some lame reason such as "not being hot enough", then he should not be comped. But if there is a good reason, then he should be. It simply is good business not to try to screw customers out of money.

Regarding your point (b): a customer can easily go to a different restaurant as he can go to a different stripper. As a matter of fact, in most cities I'd bet that there is a bigger selection of restaurants then there are strippers in a particular SC.

Regarding your point (c): the dangers of trumped up, invalid reasons is present in both settings.


To be perfectly honest, in my line of work, from time to time, I am forced to comp as well. And I hate it. Not only because of the lost revenue, but because of the possibility that the client was not happy with my service to begin with. I want to delight clients, not have them be disappointed.
I think you missed my point. My point was that a "bad lapdance" is not easy to quantify - whether the complaint is legitimate or not. And yes - there are other restaurants, but I'm talking about consumer behaviour not availability. A guy will not go back to a dancer he did not enjoy just because he didn't have to pay unless it is because he doesn't want to pay again. He just won't. This is just how consuming behaviour in strip clubs works and it is not how consuming behaviour in a restaurant works. There are a variety of reasons for this - the nature of dealing with an individual rather than an organization - you can't have a owner telling you it was an off day with a staff member, the fact that we provide emotion labour, not physical labour, the fact that it is a luxury service that people don't feel they should have to quibble about, the fact that we are dealing in desire and people will tend to feel less desire towards people they have had bad experiences with in the past and a number of things that didn't occur to me in the first 15 seconds - like, whatever. But trust me - dancers cannot preserve business by comping bad dances. You can gain business by comping an occasional a good dance, but guys do not throw good money after bad on dancers. There is no point in disagreeing on the issue.

And you are not "forced to." You choose to. Because you think it will advantage you in some way in the future. If you didn't think it would advantage you, you wouldn't do it.

mr_punk
08-28-2008, 04:55 AM
And of course the content of our job should be determined by our self-admitted most unpalatable customers.LOL..by me? no. actually, it's already been determined by the club.

I mean, I have this argument all the time with people in other jobs. Like wait staffcase in point. what i'm talking about is akin to a waiter refusing to take customer's orders or bring them their food (you know, those pesky duties he has to perform as part of his job) because he doesn't feel like it and still wants to be paid. then again, it's a bad example. you probably have no idea what i'm talking about because it involves the concept of work.

mr_punk
08-28-2008, 05:33 AM
The reason it would be stupid is because a) chances are good that the customer is dissatisfied for some amorphous non-quantifiable or non-foreseeable reason (witness some of the reasons given here - "inadequate intimacy" or "didn't pay enough attention to my ears")

Man i've seen dancers while they're supposed to be giving dances hold conversations with other dancers, order food from the waitress, text on her phone, just stand there and do one move the whole song (move hips back and forth, try to start and dance in the middle of the song and then ask for $$$$$ when it ends, etcc......those are all instances that i feel the dancer shouldn't be paid. I've gotten a couple of these i listed myself and paid but let her know that the dance suckedi guess you missed missed these amorphous non-quantifiable reasons. then again, i'm sure you think strippers talking on the cell phone while performing a lap dance is part of the service. LOL..and these girls complain they're stereotyped as lazy.

Jenny
08-28-2008, 07:18 AM
case in point. what i'm talking about is akin to a waiter refusing to take customer's orders or bring them their food (you know, those pesky duties he has to perform as part of his job) because he doesn't feel like it and still wants to be paid. then again, it's a bad example. you probably have no idea what i'm talking about because it involves the concept of work.Yes. Naturally showing a guy my pussy isn't work while letting him grope it is. And who is determining this? Why, the most undesirable possible customer. Like I said. It is the grossest, most demanding and least palatable customer who is deciding what is the core part of my job. So I don't see why I can't become a gross, demanding and unpalatable customer of something else and determine what is a core part of their job.

What? Surely a constant stream of degrading adjectives and comparisons makes me right here. Like if I just say "waiters are lazy and stupid for not doing what I want" in enough varieties it will be true, right?

Jenny
08-28-2008, 07:23 AM
i guess you missed missed these amorphous non-quantifiable reasons. then again, i'm sure you think strippers talking on the cell phone while performing a lap dance is part of the service. LOL..and these girls complain they're stereotyped as lazy.
A) I don't think most of these activities ruin a dance. I don't eat at my club, but if the waitress walks by while I'm dancing and says "Are you guys alright for drinks?" and we order... yes, that is part of the experience of being in a bar. g
B) Look at the "what makes a bad dance" thread. Amorphous. Non-quantifiable. Stuff.
C) Doesn't actually change my point that comping bad dances will not help a dancer preserve future business.

xdamage
08-28-2008, 07:27 AM
This goes back to why long term customers end up being jaded themselves, and do pre-screening time.

Oh sure, in part because they enjoy it. But in part because if they are going to pay $20-30 for 3 minutes, they are going to pay even if it the dance sucks. That is basically the deal. She dances for 3 minutes, she gets paid, but...

OTOH, because dancers do not and will not offer any guarantees, nor is there is any standard, like all things in life, every take comes with a give.

In this case dancers effectively end up teaching customers, the risk is yours to bear. I get paid either way, and I refuse to guarantee satisfaction, so there, I WIN! Except not, because in the end customers respond by simply dragging out the free time longer, becoming increasingly likely to expect poor quality, and increasingly hard to make a sale too.

Fortunately there are always new customers who "trust" until they end up being burned enough times, and eventually realize, if they are going to pay no matter what, they have to watch their own backs and be careful who they agree to a dance with.

yoda57us
08-28-2008, 07:48 AM
As I wrote about a month back in my introduction I do visit other non-stripper sites, and I do interact with people IRL, and just about everyone thinks that their profession is somehow special. A lot of physician think that general rules of service industries somehow do not apply to them. Attorney think along the same lines. Or drug dealers. Everyone thinks that they are above that.

But in reality market forces, regulations, quality assurance, supply-damand balance, quality-quantity-price relationship, customer expectations, dealing with poor quality products, etc. play roles in all of these businesses. As a matter of fact, stripping is much more prototypical service industry then any of the three above-mentioned services.

Yes, I believe that handling poor-quality dances can be handled in a similar way as other poor-quality services.


Well, I agree with some of what you have said above but 25 odd years of being around strippers and strip clubs has helped to highlight the differences for me between the sex industry and other industries. While it may be convenient for customers to try and lump all service oriented industries together it does not really work in practical terms. The one constant that does work is that you are free to vote with your wallet as to where and whom you spend your money on.

I do not however agree that there is a circumstance by which a three minute lap dance should not be paid for. Good or bad is and always will be subjective on the part of the two parties involved. As I said, if you like it buy another, if you don't then move on...

grindonme
08-28-2008, 08:39 AM
All I know is that I will not pay for eggs unless I get to anally penetrate the server; any server who objects is just being flaky. But hey - what else would you expect from waitstaff people? And I absolutely think I should be able to define what constitutes good service - I am, after all, the one being served and the one paying. Surely this gives me some standing to determine this, regardless of the fact that I am obviously the least desirable customer possible. Like, what? Are you going to say that they should be deciding themselves what good service is? That seems a little self-serving - they are only claiming that good service doesn't involve anal-rape to avoid doing it. Typical. Trying to do the bare minimum.

In all seriousness, one could make a compelling argument that demanding illegal acts (as most high contact is) cannot be called a legitimate part of someone's job and that demanding it puts fault on the demander, and that the person refusing is the furthest thing from "flaky"; "bad at her job" or "unexcellent" or whatever else descriptors might be used and really only a mediocre argument that men should just have whatever sexual gratification they want wherever and whenever they want it. I read many arguments on both sides - it is really, really hard to make the argument "she just owes it to men in general to break local laws, endanger her record and her future to get him off in the way he expects" compelling. There have been attempts.

You know a person has debate when they resort to extreme what-ifs, ::) anally penetrating a waiter

hockeybobby
08-28-2008, 09:08 AM
I think you missed my point. My point was that a "bad lapdance" is not easy to quantify - whether the complaint is legitimate or not. And yes - there are other restaurants, but I'm talking about consumer behaviour not availability. A guy will not go back to a dancer he did not enjoy just because he didn't have to pay unless it is because he doesn't want to pay again. He just won't. This is just how consuming behaviour in strip clubs works and it is not how consuming behaviour in a restaurant works. There are a variety of reasons for this - the nature of dealing with an individual rather than an organization - you can't have a owner telling you it was an off day with a staff member, the fact that we provide emotion labour, not physical labour, the fact that it is a luxury service that people don't feel they should have to quibble about, the fact that we are dealing in desire and people will tend to feel less desire towards people they have had bad experiences with in the past and a number of things that didn't occur to me in the first 15 seconds - like, whatever. But trust me - dancers cannot preserve business by comping bad dances. You can gain business by comping an occasional a good dance, but guys do not throw good money after bad on dancers. There is no point in disagreeing on the issue.

And you are not "forced to." You choose to. Because you think it will advantage you in some way in the future. If you didn't think it would advantage you, you wouldn't do it.

Just...a number of very good points made in this post.

Perry
08-28-2008, 04:24 PM
Alright, if a dance is bad because a girl is talking to some one else, on her cell phone or just sitting there, why wouldn't you say, "Hey! Pay attention to ME." Or stop the dance, tell her she looks busy and go?

Why just sit there, suffer through it and not pay? If a resturant gave you a raw hamburger, you wouldn't eat it all up then complain.

I'm not going to argue about contact and mileage. The dancer makes her own call on that - not the club. Not what all the other dancers will do. I've had a few guys who didn't want a dance because of my rules, and that's their right to turn me down BEFORE the dance starts. Not after.

FBR
08-28-2008, 05:51 PM
Alright, if a dance is bad because a girl is talking to some one else, on her cell phone or just sitting there, why wouldn't you say, "Hey! Pay attention to ME." Or stop the dance, tell her she looks busy and go?

Why just sit there, suffer through it and not pay? If a resturant gave you a raw hamburger, you wouldn't eat it all up then complain.

I'm not going to argue about contact and mileage. The dancer makes her own call on that - not the club. Not what all the other dancers will do. I've had a few guys who didn't want a dance because of my rules, and that's their right to turn me down BEFORE the dance starts. Not after.

Most guys in your restaurant example would complain. Most guys in your dance example would not complain or at least to the point of refusing to pay. After a crappy dance they just grumble, pay up and move on.

I take from your post that you clearly state your rules up front. Honestly, I've never had that happen to me so I'm curious. I mean, after you work a customer, ask for the dance and after he says yes do you then go on to explain all your do's and don'ts? Seems to me that could turn into a Q&A session. How do you prevent the exchange from becoming a downer for the customer and perhaps a disincentive for him to follow through with the purchase?

FBR

Perry
08-28-2008, 06:02 PM
It's part of my warm up to the dance - because I wait for the next song to start. I sit down take off my shoes, skirt, whatever and, say, "I'm gonna wait for the next song. Have you been here before," Then I just smile and say "this is mine, and these are mine" (grabbing the appropriate areas) or you can touch anything that isn't blue (if I'm wearing a blue bikini).

I have had guys tell me no, or use that as their opportunity to ask for more, or anything special. So, before the dance starts we both know what's gonna happen. If he doesn't like it, he has every right - and I've given him every opportuinty- to get up and leave.

doc-catfish
08-28-2008, 06:06 PM
Alright, if a dance is bad because a girl is talking to some one else, on her cell phone or just sitting there, why wouldn't you say, "Hey! Pay attention to ME." Or stop the dance, tell her she looks busy and go?
Well for one, I've always assumed, once the dance has started, I'm on the hook for the whole bill. There is no pro-rata refund on the remainder if I'm not satisfied after 45 seconds. I may as well stick around and see if the gal comes around by the end. Miracles occasionally do happen.


Why just sit there, suffer through it and not pay? If a resturant gave you a raw hamburger, you wouldn't eat it all up then complain.

Not a good analogy. If I've gotten bad food at a restaurant its easy to see if the product is unsatisfactory before consuming it. Lap dances are a little different. Once enough time has passed to confirm this, one is pretty much committed to finishing the thing.

Experience has taught me that some dancers are amenable to on the fly input from the party they are entertaining, and some aren't. Gals who do many of the faux pas mentioned in this thread are undoubtedly in the latter category. When you've got one of those, its just better to run out the clock, pay the gal for that one dance, and find a better partner than make a scene about it.

kitana
08-28-2008, 06:08 PM
LOL...no. actually, it's far worse than your canadian brain can imagine. i'm actually saying a stripper should do her job. i know it's a frightening thought and fighting words for you shiftless types, but take a couple of deep breaths. you'll be okay.

Do OUR jobs?!

Stripper~ to take off clothes, to perform a striptease. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/striptease)

Striptease~
Main Entry:strip·tease http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?stript01.wav=striptease'))Pronunciation: \ˈstrip-ˌtēz\ Function:noun Date:1936 : a burlesque act in which a performer removes clothing piece by piece.


NOWHERE does that say to give hj/bj/fs/high contact, ANYTHING of that sort.

Punk you keep getting stripper confused with prostitute.

UtahMike
08-28-2008, 09:21 PM
I take from your post that you clearly state your rules up front. Honestly, I've never had that happen to me so I'm curious. I mean, after you work a customer, ask for the dance and after he says yes do you then go on to explain all your do's and don'ts?
FBR

I always like to get the rules discussed before the dance begins. If the dancer doesn't mention it, I do. Life is much more pleasant of we both know what is permitted and what isn't.

The only exception to this would be a dancer who has danced several times for me in the past. Even then, i will probably say something liek, "Rules still the same?"

mr_punk
08-28-2008, 09:45 PM
Yes. Naturally showing a guy my pussy isn't work while letting him grope it is.who suggested anything about letting a guy grope pussy or anything of a similar nature? it wasn't me. it looks like you're the only party inserting pussy groping into the argument. is this another one of your false contentions that your created and trying to pin on someone else? how sad. the lengths strippers will go in order to deflect attention from their own laziness. oops..i tell a lie. LOL..actually, it's pretty funny. ironically, this seems to be the only area they will actually put forth some effort.

A) I don't think most of these activities ruin a dance.<double-take> oh, what a surprise response coming from the stripper who's getting paid for the dance. wow, i sure didn't see that coming.

NOWHERE does that say to give hj/bj/fs/high contact, ANYTHING of that sort.<double-take>and NOWHERE did i say anything about a stripper performing a HJ, BJ or FS. furthermore, if you think a high contact dance is equivalent to the former. i suggest you take the red head and yourself back upstairs to continue your eyeball clawing.

mr_punk
08-28-2008, 09:50 PM
Alright, if a dance is bad because a girl is talking to some one else, on her cell phone or just sitting there, why wouldn't you say, "Hey! Pay attention to ME." Or stop the dance, tell her she looks busy and go?oh really? you agree she's a lazy biatch? sheesh, it's like pulling teeth around here. anyway, to answer your question. are strippers like retarded children (i would say sometimes, but that's just me)? i mean, does a customer actually have to tell you girls that talking on the cell during the dance (which you want to be paid for) isn't a good idea for current or future business.

I'm not going to argue about contact and mileage. The dancer makes her own call on that - not the club.bullshit. if a stripper in an air dance club gave contact dances. you girls would be all over her like white on rice. the drama over it would spread through out the club on all levels like the Ebola virus. this "let and let live" philosophy is belied reaction it generates.

Not what all the other dancers will do. I've had a few guys who didn't want a dance because of my rules, and that's their right to turn me down BEFORE the dance starts. Not after.true, and i'm not saying otherwise. my simple point is that if a stripper works in a air dance club. the customers should receive an air dance (hopefully, uninterrupted by a phone call). OR, a high contact dance is in order in a high contact club (ie: 2 way contact, grinding, everything but the kitty). i don't care what a stripper's rules are. anything less under those circumstances is either laziness or ROB.

bsteve
08-28-2008, 10:04 PM
Alright, if a dance is bad because a girl is talking to some one else, on her cell phone or just sitting there, why wouldn't you say, "Hey! Pay attention to ME." Or stop the dance, tell her she looks busy and go?


OK, a newbie question then: If a customer stops a dance, does he have to pay?

grindonme
08-28-2008, 10:16 PM
Alright, if a dance is bad because a girl is talking to some one else, on her cell phone or just sitting there, why wouldn't you say, "Hey! Pay attention to ME." Or stop the dance, tell her she looks busy and go?


OK, a newbie question then: If a customer stops a dance, does he have to pay?

*awaits a response from Perry8)

mr_punk
08-28-2008, 10:47 PM
OK, a newbie question then: If a customer stops a dance, does he have to pay?LOL...oh, i'm sure there's some ready excuse about why you must pay for the stripper's laziness and her phone call on your time..

Perry
08-28-2008, 11:20 PM
OK, a newbie question then: If a customer stops a dance, does he have to pay?
At 20 to 30 secounds into a dance where a girl is talking to anyone apart from the customer for enough that it's rude and dissmissive? By all means he has a right to say, "Looks like you're busy, I'm looking for a dancer who is not."

Or something along those lines. Even if she's said I won't do x, y, z - he can still say, "Sorry, I want x, y, z..." But there's a gap between when a dancer is either working or just being charged by the club per song that the customer needs to respect. Which is why many of us find ways to make that clear before a dance starts.

BUT he shouldn't suffer through her shenanigans or her rules (and odds are some are gonna push and push them) for a song then act suprised he has to pay for being passive. And she's furiouse for his behavior.

If 2 minutes into a song the custy decides I really want to grab her boobs/get a hand job/learn her real name/make her stop talking on a cell phone/whatever THEN decides, "Fuck her! I'm not paying!" well, that's asinine. He's had more than enough of her time for her to have earned his money.

Jenny
08-28-2008, 11:28 PM
who suggested anything about letting a guy grope pussy or anything of a similar nature? it wasn't me. it looks like you're the only party inserting pussy groping into the argument.
My gosh. One would almost think reading this that you had never read any of your own posts. There is punk 1 and punk 2.


the lengths strippers will go in order to deflect attention from their own laziness.
See? Surely if I just attach a never ending stream of insults against another profession I can make it true, right? Like just with the strength of my own will to stereotype?


<double-take> oh, what a surprise response coming from the stripper who's getting paid for the dance. wow, i sure didn't see that coming.
Well... you realize this is a hypothetical dance right? That I'm not actually getting paid anything? Seriously - a girl walking by and saying "Hi" doesn't ruin a dance. A waitress taking a drink order doesn't ruin a dance. It just... doesn't, unless you are hypersensitive or doing something that a waitress or other girl should see you doing. If you are hypersensitive - fair enough, you can probably be accommodated if you sort of make your disability known at the outset of the service. Like "look, I'm kind of a drama queen, and I lose my erection at the drop of a hat, so I'd really prefer if you didn't divert the entirety of your attention from my erection for even the brief second it would take to wave at the girl walking in." It'll work better for everyone if you are just clear at the outset.

Can dances be bad? Of course they can. I'm saying that bad service anywhere does not relieve the customer of the duty to pay, that it is still not advantageous to the dancer to comp a bad dance, and that generally a customer complaint will be pretty unreliable. You're not really contesting these things. You just keep saying strippers are lazy... hoping for a yet unknown result. Like you don't seem to have a point.


i suggest you take the red head and yourself back upstairs to continue your eyeball clawing.
See? Strings of negative characterization based on nothing but projection. Punk - everyone knows you're the cattiest bitch on stripperweb.

mr_punk
08-29-2008, 04:57 AM
My gosh. One would almost think reading this that you had never read any of your own posts. There is punk 1 and punk 2.LOL..nope, that's not it. my point was always very simple. fortunately, you complicated it by running off at the mouth as usual, motor mouth. i just sat back and gleefully watched you hang yourself. i was thinking about letting you babble incessantly for 93 more pages before caving in your skull with the lead pipe. fortunately for you, i got so excited that i blew my load early.

Can dances be bad? Of course they can.nooooo! really? oh wow, brilliant observation. whew! i'm sure we will all sleep better at night.

Punk - everyone knows you're the cattiest bitch on stripperweb.when it comes to you? oh yes, it like you're my own personal litterbox.

If 2 minutes into a song the custy decides I really want to grab her boobs/get a hand job/learn her real name/make her stop talking on a cell phone/whatever THEN decides, "Fuck her! I'm not paying!" well, that's asinine. He's had more than enough of her time for her to have earned his money.so, if she gets on the phone 2 minutes into the dance with a say minute to go. he still should pay for the whole song? if so, i guess customers must view strippers as retarded children.

kitana
08-29-2008, 08:10 AM
<double-take>and NOWHERE did i say anything about a stripper performing a HJ, BJ or FS. furthermore, if you think a high contact dance is equivalent to the former. i suggest you take the red head and yourself back upstairs to continue your eyeball clawing.

Nope punkin, just remembering some specific TR's from the blue ballers in which that is EXACTLY what they expect, llol.

grindonme
08-29-2008, 09:37 AM
LOL..nope, that's not it. my point was always very simple. fortunately, you complicated it by running off at the mouth as usual, motor mouth. i just sat back and gleefully watched you hang yourself. i was thinking about letting you babble incessantly for 93 more pages before caving in your skull with the lead pipe. fortunately for you, i got so excited that i blew my load early.
nooooo! really? oh wow, brilliant observation. whew! i'm sure we will all sleep better at night.
when it comes to you? oh yes, it like you're my own personal litterbox.
so, if she gets on the phone 2 minutes into the dance with a say minute to go. he still should pay for the whole song? if so, i guess customers must view strippers as retarded children.

In my short time on here i've seen that it is pointless to debate with Jenny because she'll continue to try and come up with responses to your response. I laughed when i she changed my saying "having a convo with another dancer" to a dancer walking by and just saying "Hi"::) and then a dancer ordering food to "we" ordering drinks. When i saw her respond to someone with a response of "a waiter letting her anally penetrate him" i knew she was one of those types

mr_punk
08-29-2008, 04:59 PM
Nope punkin, just remembering some specific TR's from the blue ballers in which that is EXACTLY what they expect, llol.okay...was it a TR that i wrote? no? so, why are you talking to me about it? go talk to the authors.

In my short time on here i've seen that it is pointless to debate with Jenny because she'll continue to try and come up with responses to your response.ah, just hit her over the head with a virtual lead pipe and she'll learn. no. actually, she'll never learn, but that's okay. it would be a shame if she did because beating her over the head is all of the fun.

UtahMike
08-31-2008, 12:07 AM
I think there should be a special board titled "Jenny and various members bash on each other." There could be a special $50 prize for anyone who manages to out argue Jenny.

I'd like to have the popcorn concession.

grindonme
08-31-2008, 10:38 AM
I think there should be a special board titled "Jenny and various members bash on each other." There could be a special $50 prize for anyone who manages to out argue Jenny.

I'd like to have the popcorn concession.

I don't see anyone being able to do that, it would be different if she was arguing and trying to make sense but she just argues just for the sake of arguing. This is a quote from her regarding mr. punk saying a stripper should do her job and not be lazy


All I know is that I will not pay for eggs unless I get to anally penetrate the server; any server who objects is just being flaky

Bob_Loblaw
08-31-2008, 10:49 AM
I think there should be a special board titled "Jenny and various members bash on each other." There could be a special $50 prize for anyone who manages to out argue Jenny.
I don't think I'd participate in that thread as it could lead to self esteem issues for me. Besides, there's apparently more to gain from being agreeable but I dunno what that is yet.

UtahMike
08-31-2008, 09:23 PM
I don't see anyone being able to do that, it would be different if she was arguing and trying to make sense but she just argues just for the sake of arguing. This is a quote from her regarding mr. punk saying a stripper should do her job and not be lazy

GOM, I suspect that you do not recognize nor understand satire. Don't read everything so literally.