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andwine
08-08-2008, 03:18 PM
Mia, you're just making shit up now:

so i figured you might be an old poster heading back to SW for sport under a new nickname.
^^^^^^^^no, believe it or not I have a life outside of a computer. and if SW is actually as un-supportive and flaming as you make it seem I don't see why I'd come back after leaving.

you're just so darned hilarious.
^^^thank you

--thinks she's better than strippers and doesn't 'need' the job, check
^^^i certainly don't think i'm better than strippers!! the girls i worked with were great, helpful, kind...sexy as hell...and really good at what they do. I think i'm better than mouth-breathing fat assholes who sit around and get paid for the girls' hard work!!

--'i go to college and work as a research assistant! i haz tha knowlege!', check
^^^i have knowledge but not much smarts. i can ace a test but smack me down in the middle of the city and see if i'm not wallet-less and confused ten minutes later. i grew up in a small country town so I never got the chance to learn much of how about street-smarts

--'i told the club owners they didn't comprehend the significance of labor rights, jargon jargon jargon, but they refused to be intimidated by my use of jargon!', check
^^^^if they weren't intimidated by my use of jargon, then why'd they tell me to get out? duh.

--'you girls are so DUM to put up with this injustice!', check.
^^^and I never called any of you dancers dumb. i know for a fact that you have to be incredibly smart to be a dancer---there's so much detail and finesse involved, most of which i lack. Jesus. Do you just make shit up completely? really?

and we can't forget the 'i'm classy, you dumb skrippars are not!'
^^^^you really are just making shit up. i wish that you'd actually give me half a chance before you arbitrarily make up false opinions and attribute them to me.

britt244
08-08-2008, 03:23 PM
why'd they tell you to get out? uh, because you weren't willing to pay your house fee and gave them an attitude. certainly not because you scared them. are you serious? did you feel accomplished, or something? like you really intimidated them? that's so sweet!

i.breathe.in
08-08-2008, 03:23 PM
ok, this is just getting to easy now....

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3251/2745377116_abd7330b80.jpg

im going to stop now before i get pointed into oblivion.....

anomar
08-08-2008, 03:25 PM
These must be the crack negotiating & debating skills that you busted out at the club.

Ruh oh, it's sarcastic people on the internet! Awww shit!

glambman
08-08-2008, 03:26 PM
--'i told the club owners they didn't comprehend the significance of labor rights, jargon jargon jargon, but they refused to be intimidated by my use of jargon!', check
^^^^if they weren't intimidated by my use of jargon, then why'd they tell me to get out? duh.


lol sorry for posting, but as someone who's been in business, let me say that they weren't intimidated by you. When you said 'have you ever heard of the Fair Labor Act', you were labeled a troublemaker and from a business sense, it 's better to cut the loss right there, instead of letting it linger. And telling them 'you'll be hearing from me' wasn't smart.

Kellydancer
08-08-2008, 03:26 PM
I never sign any contract without reading it very carefully. I did quite a bit of modeling and always had contracts. I read them very carefully and often had a lawyer look it over. Most of the clubs I've worked at never required a contract. One club I got hired at had a strict contract (lots of ridiculous rules such as when you can eat, what days they schedule for you etc). I decided against it when I read the contract. Many clubs rip off dancers. Many charge high rates and do no marketing/advertising to get more customers, then wonder why dancers make little

However, the industry is all about hustling. I used to laugh when I'd see dancers complaining because they made no money, yet spent all shift in the dressing rooms. Sure, there were times I didn't make money but I knew the next day I likely would (this was usually the case). I didn't make much money my first time, but learned quickly. If I didn't, I l probably would have quit right away. Dancing is not for everyone.

I'd go to a club without contracts (if any exist). If not feasible, read the contract very carefully before you sign.

i.breathe.in
08-08-2008, 03:27 PM
lol sorry for posting, but as someone who's been in business, let me say that they weren't intimidated by you. When you said 'have you ever heard of the Fair Labor Act', you were labeled a troublemaker and from a business sense, it 's better to cut the loss right there, instead of letting it linger. And telling them 'you'll be hearing from me' wasn't smart.

exactly dancers are dime a dozen. especially newbs that dont make their house fees. you are not a beautiful, unique snowflake.

andwine
08-08-2008, 03:28 PM
^^^certainly I didn't feel accomplished. I left feeling like a pile of dumb shit. I just know that people don't usually refuse to let you see the things you signed unless they're hiding something

Thank you to the girls who gave me the advice to change my attitude, to keep trying, to stop acting like i was entitled, and to learn how to keep my mouth shut. This is genuinely helpful advice & I appreciate it. I understand now that I'm going to have to rein in my attitude & not challenge the legality of club polices, etc. if I ever want to do well.

And I guess I'm full of shit...because I really do need this fucking money. The school cut my aid by a long-shot. But I've been sort of unwilling to admit this to myself...because once I come to terms with the fact that I actually NEEED THIS FUCKING MONEY it means I gotta go back & find another club. And i'm a fucking softy. And too sensitive, obviously for this sort of thing. I need to grow a thicker skin if I wanna stay in or else i'm gonna get eaten alive...

miabella
08-08-2008, 03:33 PM
or you can learn some other way to make money. it's not like a research assistant with tha mad researchin' skillz can't find lots of jobs paying decent wages that work with one's school schedule...they are out there. stripping isn't the sole solitary flexible-work option a woman has.

at the least, with all your book learning, you should be totally eligible for academic scholarships and not have to work at all through school.

but congrats. you brought the lols. welcome to SW.

andwine
08-08-2008, 03:35 PM
However, the industry is all about hustling. I used to laugh when I'd see dancers complaining because they made no money, yet spent all shift in the dressing rooms. Sure, there were times I didn't make money but I knew the next day I likely would (this was usually the case). I didn't make much money my first time, but learned quickly. If I didn't, I l probably would have quit right away. Dancing is not for everyone.

I'd go to a club without contracts (if any exist). If not feasible, read the contract very carefully before you sign.

I hardly spent any time in the dressing room! I was on the floor practically the whole time. And I never sat alone, at the bar, or wandering around aimlessly...I didn't sit and chat & gossip with other dancers. I was always moving around the room, talking to one customer or another. The only timd i'd go to the DR was to clean up after VIPs. There were so few men there both nights that I would sit & talk with one long enough to get him comfortable with me, and then when he'd say 'maybe later' i'd remember his name & come back & ask again.i eventually sold some lap dancesbut by the time i tipped out i hadn't made much. i do feel like i have learned quite a bit in my first two times, comparatively speaking. for example, my second night working i earned more money & received more substantial complliments from customers for the way i moved & danced & whatnot. but i still feel like an alien creature. but i really do want to try. believe it or not, i did have a positive experience with stripping, up until last night. i didn't expect to make much money but i honest-to-god didn't realize that you can actually LOSE money doing this.next time i will be sure to ask for a copy of my contract before i sign anything. like another girl pointed out, if they refuse to give me a copy of the contract before I even sign it probably doesn't bode well

i.breathe.in
08-08-2008, 03:37 PM
even if you get a copy of a contract, its not likely to do any good. this is stripclub world, where all rationale rules no longer apply. they would assue to tell you to GTFO before dealing with contract arguements.

Kellydancer
08-08-2008, 03:37 PM
I hardly spent any time in the dressing room! I was on the floor practically the whole time. And I never sat alone, at the bar, or wandering around aimlessly...I didn't sit and chat & gossip with other dancers. I was always moving around the room, talking to one customer or another. The only timd i'd go to the DR was to clean up after VIPs. There were so few men there both nights that I would sit & talk with one long enough to get him comfortable with me, and then when he'd say 'maybe later' i'd remember his name & come back & ask again.i eventually sold some lap dancesbut by the time i tipped out i hadn't made much. i do feel like i have learned quite a bit in my first two times, comparatively speaking. for example, my second night working i earned more money & received more substantial complliments from customers for the way i moved & danced & whatnot. but i still feel like an alien creature. but i really do want to try. believe it or not, i did have a positive experience with stripping, up until last night. i didn't expect to make much money but i honest-to-god didn't realize that you can actually LOSE money doing this.next time i will be sure to ask for a copy of my contract before i sign anything. like another girl pointed out, if they refuse to give me a copy of the contract before I even sign it probably doesn't bode well




I'm not saying you were doing this, but many dancers I've worked with did. Then they would cry because they didn't even make house. I remember how hard it was to start out. These dancers weren't newbies by any stretch. Just a word of advice: only spend a few minutes with a customer. Don't waste your time with them unless they are tipping.

ETA: What do you mean by "cleaning up in VIPS"?

andwine
08-08-2008, 04:48 PM
Stripping is a job that you take the good with the bad and try and pick and choose as best you can what you will and will not deal with to get yourself into the best situation and clubs as possible. It's best to learn this early on and work things to your advantage as often as you can. But there are just going to be some shifts and some clubs that are going to suck. It's just the way it goes though. If you can't or don't want to deal with it, this is not the job for you. Btw, there is NOTHING wrong with that either. Not every women is cut our for this line of work.

Thank you. This was a hard lesson learned. But, by god, I'm gonna brush off the g-string and try again...I appreciate your honesty. I don't know if I'm cut out for stripping. I know that I like a challenge and new things. I know that I can get men in the palm of my hand 30% of the time. I need to harnes that (hence joining this community of you lovely ladies). But I do think that maybe I'm too emotionally unstable to handle actually being successful at it...I think I need to look in the mirror for awhile before I try again.

andwine
08-08-2008, 04:50 PM
I'm a newbie also (this is my 3rd week of dancing), but it's my opinion that you should try a different club.

I don't care if it's "slow" or not...that's insanity. My club is "slow" too, (I think summer is the slow season, from what I read here on SW).

After outfits, tipouts, GAS, etc....you'll be losing money instead of making it. Coming home with $18 or $30.....you are better than that and your time is worth more. Are there other clubs in your area?? I think it'd be worth it to check out some other places. Good luck girl!

Chicago's kind of a shitty place in terms of strip clubs. There aren't very many w/in city limits & the ones that are are either pasties/booze or nude/juice. I'd rather do a topless club but they're all outside city limits. I gotta try and read some more reviews and enhance my strategy. I did submit an application to another club int eh area but I haven't stopped in or called them or anything. Maybe I'll do that. Thank you baby!! Your right, my time is worth more than this, which is why I feel so frustrated and powerless. But thank you for your well-wishes & I'll see your cute ass around ;)

Kellydancer
08-08-2008, 04:53 PM
Chicago's kind of a shitty place in terms of strip clubs. There aren't very many w/in city limits & the ones that are are either pasties/booze or nude/juice. I'd rather do a topless club but they're all outside city limits. I gotta try and read some more reviews and enhance my strategy. I did submit an application to another club int eh area but I haven't stopped in or called them or anything. Maybe I'll do that. Thank you baby!! Your right, my time is worth more than this, which is why I feel so frustrated and powerless. But thank you for your well-wishes & I'll see your cute ass around ;)



Having worked in Chicago/NW Ind clubs you are right. Seriously if you are new (and not too far from it), I'd try the Indiana clubs. Some are icky, but you'll learn how to hustle and probably won't go broke doing it.

andwine
08-08-2008, 04:54 PM
I remember how hard it was to start out. These dancers weren't newbies by any stretch. Just a word of advice: only spend a few minutes with a customer. Don't waste your time with them unless they are tipping.

ETA: What do you mean by "cleaning up in VIPS"?

When did the good times begin? What do you think made it different then? Thanks for the advice. Cleaning up after VIPs like putting on more deoderent, fresh mouthwash, grabbing a snack, a cig...wow...now that I think about it I did sorta avoid the floor. stttuuuupiiidddd:-X

andwine
08-08-2008, 04:56 PM
^ we put up with the unfairness and illegality of it because was can make 100k a year without an education and claim we make 30k to the IRS. It's just how it is.

You should watch the movie "Live Nude Girls Unite".

Mmmmm I want a piece of THISSSSss!!! :P

I'm gonna check that movie out

Kellydancer
08-08-2008, 05:00 PM
When did the good times begin? What do you think made it different then? Thanks for the advice. Cleaning up after VIPs like putting on more deoderent, fresh mouthwash, grabbing a snack, a cig...wow...now that I think about it I did sorta avoid the floor. stttuuuupiiidddd:-X


At one time the money was decent. I made probably my best money mid 90's (now I feel old). I think part of the reason was there were more clubs around, and because of that managers were more aware of charging too much. Not to mention less competition in general. I remember working a few times where there were 2 girls working. I doubt I'd see that again even in a bad club. My very first club charged around $20 and didn't take any of the dance fee! Another club paid me $50 to dance a shift. That will never happen again. Those days are gone forever.

I was curious about the VIP when you said cleaned up. I actually worked at a club where they'd expect the girls to clean the VIP room.

andwine
08-08-2008, 05:15 PM
or you can learn some other way to make money.

at the least, with all your book learning, you should be totally eligible for academic scholarships and not have to work at all through school.

but congrats. you brought the lols. welcome to SW.

heheh oh lord. okay. you're a trip. well...i've worked other jobs before: burger king, pizza hut, comcast cable. they blew really hard and i got paid shit (although, admittedly, more than I've made stripping!!!;D) & the management was usually sort of terrible. I think stripping is nice because I (theoretically) can have more control over my earnings. I just didn't quite *get* that I gotta pay that fee whether I earn or not. :O I guess all dem books i redd weren't no good after all.

Paris
08-08-2008, 05:25 PM
hahaha to the serious^^

You're a dancer; you know as well as I do that $3.00/hour is not a fair price-tag for this sort of labor.

You are a business owner, not an employee. There is no guarantee that you will turn a profit in any business, including being a dancer.

That is why the club showed you the door. They don't want to deal with any kind of legal mess and will get rid of girls that look like they might push the employee envelope legally speaking.

I'm sorry that it was such a crappy slow club. It is hard to make money as a brand new dancer in a lot of places. You might try a more remotely located club. A fresh face in a small town will usually bank for a couple of weeks until the guys get used to you.

Paris
08-08-2008, 05:31 PM
that makes me think of the other night after work. the manager is talking to us, and saying girls need to quit calling out. he's worked in the bar business before most of us were born blah blah blah, and he's never seen so many employees call out or not show up. i bit my tongue, but inside my head i was screaming "but we're not employees!" but that's the trade off we accept for the positive things we get from the job.

I've told managers that they can "dock my paycheck" if they have issue with me calling in sick.}:D The normal response is: "But I don't give you a paycheck!" then after a pause, "Oh, I see your point."

andwine
08-08-2008, 05:36 PM
I'm sorry that it was such a crappy slow club. It is hard to make money as a brand new dancer in a lot of places. You might try a more remotely located club. A fresh face in a small town will usually bank for a couple of weeks until the guys get used to you.

Thanks...the house mom who called on the phone before i came in to start to work made it seem like it was impossible *not* to bank. She was all pink roses and "oOoOooOo a new girl started just tonight & left with $300! you'll have a lot of competition but you'll make a killing!" reality bites. (i 'm not a unique snowflake! lol)


Having worked in Chicago/NW Ind clubs you are right. Seriously if you are new (and not too far from it), I'd try the Indiana clubs. Some are icky, but you'll learn how to hustle and probably won't go broke doing it.

I live on the south side of chicago too so indiana probably isn't that far from me. i was already driving 45 minutes north to get to the other club. why not 45 minutes south (that's what way indiana is, right?) skeezy how? skeezy extras? skeezy girls sleepin w/ owners? skeezy slimy?


And telling them 'you'll be hearing from me' wasn't smart.

Why's that?

bebewood
08-08-2008, 05:41 PM
yes i am a dancer and i do know that as well as you do. but look around. make a poll, if you don't believe me. i make bank, thank you very much. and i still have bad nights. and girls who don't hustle as hard as i do have them more often.

regardless, you still pay house fee. if you dont like that, don't be a stripper. that is the way it works. good luck finding a club that you dont have to pay if you dont make money.
There areplenty of clubs that will waive the house fee if the dancer does not make money, even in major cities. From the sounds of it it isnt really her fault that she isnt making money. Its not like the big vegas clubs where you HAVE to pay the house fee but there are more than enough customers spending for every dancer to make the money she paid to the club back. In almost any other commission based business, if the product isnt selling, the organization doesn't get paid. Why should it be different for a strip club? In this case, no one is buying dances so why should the club still be making the same money as it would when there are lots of spenders?

Paris
08-08-2008, 06:00 PM
Thanks...the house mom who called on the phone before i came in to start to work made it seem like it was impossible *not* to bank. She was all pink roses and "oOoOooOo a new girl started just tonight & left with $300! you'll have a lot of competition but you'll make a killing!" reality bites. (i 'm not a unique snowflake! lol)


In this business the only thing you can believe is your own eyes. Just pretend that everyone is lying until they've proved otherwise, and you should be good.

MissDewdrop
08-08-2008, 06:17 PM
I'd suggest taking the anger you feel and turning it into the drive/motivation to do better. No need to turn it in on yourself. Everyone, even the most beautiful and hustlebunnyish dancer, has nights where the guys treat them like shit and the money is sparse. There's a fine line between acknowledging that it's your responsibility to earn the money and also realizing that sometimes you can't get blood from a club full of perverted stones. You let that feeling motivate you to fix what you can but still not damage your self esteem. It takes awhile to figure out how to hustle and present yourself in a way that maximizes your money.

This website is a great resource for stripping, and people are very supportive. Read, find another club, and make what you can out of stripping.

bebewood
08-08-2008, 06:38 PM
heheh oh lord. okay. you're a trip. well...i've worked other jobs before: burger king, pizza hut, comcast cable. they blew really hard and i got paid shit (although, admittedly, more than I've made stripping!!!;D) & the management was usually sort of terrible. I think stripping is nice because I (theoretically) can have more control over my earnings. I just didn't quite *get* that I gotta pay that fee whether I earn or not. :O I guess all dem books i redd weren't no good after all.

there are better jobs out there. Hell even temping pays more than that...I find it weird that you claim to be so smart yet you have only worked minimum wage jobs (though funnily enough I could never get hired at minimum wage places like fast food chains lol)...When I was in college I wouldn't work for less than 15 an hour and this was before stripping. No wonder you seem to think you NEED to strip to make money. Never think like that, ever, it's not true, even in the current economy.

andwine
08-08-2008, 07:59 PM
No, I hadn't been in a strip club before I started working in one.

I did have access to google, and by simply searching a few key terms like "stripping", "exotic dancer", "working in a strip club", you too, would have stumbled onto a plethora of info that could at least give you an -idea- of what work would be like.



you had never been in one before either? how was your first night ?! i thought that i might be interrupting some kind of orgy but i'd later find out that it was just the VIP room. i felt like i was a starry-eyed six year old child near big shiny jaws and one of those smiles wehre you can't figure out if it's with you or against you.

i did google something along the lines of: 'exotic'+'dancing'+'advice'+'experiences'
---but i didn't happen upon stripperweb until later.i did study up on this (http://www.stripper-faq.org/) website, though. It acquainted me with the 'general idea' of stripping but I think I misunderstood what the author was trying to get out regarding customer interaction. There's a lot of fucking style to selling dances & i'm just starting to understand that

LilyLove
08-08-2008, 08:45 PM
^ That was the first site I stumbled on too! Almost 2 years later I still won't wear asymmetrical hems because of what she said about them.

My advice: Read hustle hut but try to discern the difference between basic hustling tips and more advanced ones. A mistake I made early on was trying to do the more advanced stuff without having the basics down. Also, since I was new, I misunderstood some of the advanced tips and applied them incorrectly.

Kellydancer
08-08-2008, 09:34 PM
Thanks...the house mom who called on the phone before i came in to start to work made it seem like it was impossible *not* to bank. She was all pink roses and "oOoOooOo a new girl started just tonight & left with $300! you'll have a lot of competition but you'll make a killing!" reality bites. (i 'm not a unique snowflake! lol)



I live on the south side of chicago too so indiana probably isn't that far from me. i was already driving 45 minutes north to get to the other club. why not 45 minutes south (that's what way indiana is, right?) skeezy how? skeezy extras? skeezy girls sleepin w/ owners? skeezy slimy?



Why's that?

More like just sleazy dancers. I'm sure some have extra girls (I was never an extra girl) but some of the dancers are long past their prime (and some should never be dancers). The good thing about these clubs is they are open to new dancers and because many are desperate for decent dancers, they aren't as picky as the top tier. Many will allow you to learn. The bad thing is you won't make the kind of money you could but you can make decent.

britt244
08-08-2008, 10:43 PM
There areplenty of clubs that will waive the house fee if the dancer does not make money, even in major cities. From the sounds of it it isnt really her fault that she isnt making money. Its not like the big vegas clubs where you HAVE to pay the house fee but there are more than enough customers spending for every dancer to make the money she paid to the club back. In almost any other commission based business, if the product isnt selling, the organization doesn't get paid. Why should it be different for a strip club? In this case, no one is buying dances so why should the club still be making the same money as it would when there are lots of spenders?

yes, there are. but not on a daily basis. 3 days in a row? no. i doubt it. she got off easy the first 2 days, what do they gain by having her there if she never pays the house?

Perry
08-08-2008, 11:05 PM
I'm sorry you had a bad go to start with. Try a new club, and be sweet as pie to everyone who can help you. That means the managers, DJ's, house mom, bouncer and the girls on SW! Trust me, when a custy gets out of line - you're gonna need a bouncer and a manager to take your side. When you meet sweat pants boner man, you're gonna need us.

You might like this site (http://www.stripper-faq.org/). It was what first got me geared up and excited to dance.

As for what's legal, we've got a thread on blue that relates (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119065). I know it can be over whelming - dancing is not a conventional job, and you just don't get to play by conventional rules. If you consider youself an employee, or worse - get into that "the customer is always right" midset, you're not gonna like dancing. You will always have to pay a house fee, or give a cut of your dances to the house - but you're getting a pretty sweet deal back in return.

bebewood
08-09-2008, 03:29 AM
yes, there are. but not on a daily basis. 3 days in a row? no. i doubt it. she got off easy the first 2 days, what do they gain by having her there if she never pays the house?

Eh, at every club I have worked at they will waive the house fee or lower it for you if you made less than the house fee. at some clubs they wont even take money out of your dances if you did less than a certain amount. Even if it happens 3 days in a row... I guess it's just different here. If its a slow night, its a slow night, the girl can't help if it she isnt making money at a club with little to no customers coming in and spending. Now if everyone else was making money but her, THEN I can understand management not being sympathetic after a while...but it sounds like her club just sucks.. (as in no spending customers)

britt244
08-09-2008, 09:46 AM
Eh, at every club I have worked at they will waive the house fee or lower it for you if you made less than the house fee. at some clubs they wont even take money out of your dances if you did less than a certain amount. Even if it happens 3 days in a row... I guess it's just different here. If its a slow night, its a slow night, the girl can't help if it she isnt making money at a club with little to no customers coming in and spending. Now if everyone else was making money but her, THEN I can understand management not being sympathetic after a while...but it sounds like her club just sucks.. (as in no spending customers)

where is "here"? i have never heard of a club that will let that slide regularly.

bebewood
08-09-2008, 11:23 AM
where is "here"? i have never heard of a club that will let that slide regularly.
Socal.

pinkpvc
08-09-2008, 11:56 AM
I'm glad the thread calmed down and that you will walk away having learned something :)
The reality is that lots of dancers have the exact same thoughts as you (including me: I am self employed but get treated as an employee when it suits them (e.g refusing to let me have a night off) and as an independent contractor when it suits them (e.g no pay + house fees).
Although certain issues you raised may be legally questionable, another reality is that the law doesn't care about strippers, and cases usually get swept under the carpet.
To work as a stripper you have to accept that the stripping world isn't fair, but there is a potential to earn more $$$ than in a regular job.Particularly as a student the hours are a huge bonus. Add to the mix no background checks,references or difficult to obtain skills(My own situation is I left work and uni due to depression, started back uni for 2 years and now find it impossible to get a "normal" job because of the CV gap so hello stripping!)

I really reccomend you find another club.

-ETA- sweat pants boner man really is a legend now lol

Fionaver
08-10-2008, 02:45 PM
Alot of girls would MUCH rather be independent contractors than employees, even if we're treated as employees.

As an independent contractor, those $70 stripper shoes are a write-off, your fake eyelashes = write off, etc.

Just track your tip outs and house fees. That would fall under the "necessary business expense" condition - or at least, the minimum required tip-outs would.

And remember, house fees are like rent for your place of business. Only paid nightly, not monthly. Does your landlord care if you haven't made money?

mysteryman
08-20-2008, 07:35 AM
The club is a machine, once setup it sucks people in chews them up and spits them out. For the most part when you sign up as an independent contractor you function the same as a hairdresser. The reason I use the hairdresser as an example is due to the fact that it was challenged in court.

Lets look at an independent hairdresser/stylist:
1)Hairdressers pay a fee to use a chair within a style studio.
2)A stylist must state when the chair will be used so the house can schedule other stylists when chair is not in use.
3)Hairdresser also pay fees to use or rent equipment within the studio.
4)Hairstylist also have to push in-house hair products the studio stocks and sells.
5)Also some studios get paid a percentage of total gross sales of the independent hairdresser.
6)Hairdresser pays tips for there own assistance, like shampooer, prep-person, etc...

Now lets compare that to an Adult Entertainer:
1)AE pays a house fee every night they work.
2)AE needs to give schedule in most clubs so the club can figure out how many AEs will work that night and not over crowd the club.
3)AE pays a fee evertime they use the VIP and champagne room.
4)Some clubs get a fee per dance the AE makes.
5)AE in some clubs sell products for the club, such as T-shirts, hats, jackets, etc...
6)AE tips out those employees of the club that are used such as housemom, DJ, Security, floormen.

modlgrl
08-20-2008, 08:09 AM
Umm, girls, there are some clubs in Chicago that let you slide on your house fee for the first week. After that you have to pay.

Kudos to you btw for asking for a copy of your contract. This isn't "disrupting" the system, you're just looking out for yourself.

I am curious though, where this happened.

nychaos99
08-20-2008, 08:49 AM
Wow. You guys are ripping this girl a new asshole.
This girl danced 2 nights and you all are jumping down her throat about her complaints- which are by no means irrational.
We all know that the house fees are BULL SHIT, and we can't do a thing about them. Andwine has every right to complain about them (though it does just about as much good as banging your head against a concrete wall).
And Andwine, you set yourself up for the hating, on the post where you went on and on about how you don't need to strip, it's for extra money---blah blah blah. I cringed when I read that post...I knew what was going to follow by all the other gals on this site. I feel for ya, I do.
Don't worry about what everyone's saying on the site. Let it go. Everyone is just sensitive to complainers, when we all feel the SAME way about it. No, it doesn't make it right, and there is nothing we all can do about the club bullshit fees (unless we all get together and open our OWN place, the right way! Hey...anyone out there want to own with me?)---}:D }:D }:D

Anyway, welcome to the world of stripping--- and SW.

If you really dislike the fees, try and find a club that has really low ones, or none at all (some clubs in Washington DC hasn't got fees)-

Megamillions is this Friday- it's up to $90 million I think--- ;)

Optimist
08-20-2008, 10:28 AM
^^^^^^^^^^YEAH! We agree on this. I think the way this girl has been talked to on this board is appalling and a perfect example of why people complain about the cliques and wolfpacks who can't simply disagree. The must rip the poster to shreds. Pretty disgusting.

Optimist
08-20-2008, 11:54 AM
The club is a machine, once setup it sucks people in chews them up and spits them out. For the most part when you sign up as an independent contractor you function the same as a hairdresser. The reason I use the hairdresser as an example is due to the fact that it was challenged in court.

Lets look at an independent hairdresser/stylist:
1)Hairdressers pay a fee to use a chair within a style studio.
2)A stylist must state when the chair will be used so the house can schedule other stylists when chair is not in use.
3)Hairdresser also pay fees to use or rent equipment within the studio.
4)Hairstylist also have to push in-house hair products the studio stocks and sells.
5)Also some studios get paid a percentage of total gross sales of the independent hairdresser.
6)Hairdresser pays tips for there own assistance, like shampooer, prep-person, etc...

Now lets compare that to an Adult Entertainer:
1)AE pays a house fee every night they work.
2)AE needs to give schedule in most clubs so the club can figure out how many AEs will work that night and not over crowd the club.
3)AE pays a fee evertime they use the VIP and champagne room.
4)Some clubs get a fee per dance the AE makes.
5)AE in some clubs sell products for the club, such as T-shirts, hats, jackets, etc...
6)AE tips out those employees of the club that are used such as housemom, DJ, Security, floormen.

With #6 if the "helpers" in a salon don't help they lose their job. In the club if the "helpers" don't help they go on to harass the girls and cost them money on top of the obligatory tip!

I gotta disagree that the club is like a hair salon because salons make the bulk of their money from the stylists work and they have a limit on the number of operators competing with each other. In the club they have many ancillary revenue streams dancers make possible without getting a penny from.

I gotta disagree with #2 the club makes you stick to a schedule so they CAN overcrowd it on slow nights to make up for the small amount of guys. So we're not protected by them. They look out for themselves at the expense of the dancers.

#3 is a good example of forcing multiple house fees. Either take a percentage or have a house fee but not both--unless they want to give us a cut of the door and drinks.

txchick008
08-20-2008, 11:58 AM
I got a paycheck for minimum wage at VIPS but the house fee was 120 a night.

I'm totally thread-jacking, but VegasPrincess, your PM box is FULL, so I couldn't send this privately.
I saw you mentioned VIPS. Are you talking about VIPs Chicago??? I did a billboard for that club back in the day....PM me, wanna ask you something!

anomar
08-20-2008, 12:02 PM
Aw man this thread was dead for like 2 weeks til it was resurrected to say it's a nasty thread! Check the dates yall!

If we want to discuss the intricacies of IC status maybe start a new thread?

Optimist
08-20-2008, 12:12 PM
The thread is 10 DAYS old not two weeks. Why is there always someone policing when a thread can be resonded to?

holly07
08-20-2008, 08:14 PM
It' s not illegal, sad, but get used to it. And a word of advice never threaten a manger, most have the southern mentality of "I'm a man and how dare she speak to me like that? It's pathetic , but true There are some smart, respectful ones, but only if u show them respect, that will get u on their good side. Good Luck at the next club

andwine
08-20-2008, 09:19 PM
I gotta disagree with #2 the club makes you stick to a schedule so they CAN overcrowd it on slow nights to make up for the small amount of guys. So we're not protected by them. They look out for themselves at the expense of the dancers.

#3 is a good example of forcing multiple house fees. Either take a percentage or have a house fee but not both--unless they want to give us a cut of the door and drinks.

I think this is what happened with me. The club (Allstars Gentlemen's in Chicago) had about 2--sometimes 3--dancers per man...and for every man in the place only every other one actually bought dances...so you can see, the odds weren't in any dancer's favor, let alone a newbie's.

what do u mean when u say 'multiple house fees'? is that like mandating house mom, hair, make-up, stylist, VIP manager, DJ, etc. etc.?

Optimist
08-20-2008, 10:18 PM
I think this is what happened with me. The club (Allstars Gentlemen's in Chicago) had about 2--sometimes 3--dancers per man...and for every man in the place only every other one actually bought dances...so you can see, the odds weren't in any dancer's favor, let alone a newbie's.

what do u mean when u say 'multiple house fees'? is that like mandating house mom, hair, make-up, stylist, VIP manager, DJ, etc. etc.?

Exactly! Don't say house fee and then tack on a thousand other things and take a percentage too. That's just BS. I'm right with you in spirit, kid! Study up and SHOP for a club the way you'd shop for a school. Work at the one with the best return on the least money.

I love how all you youngins go on and on about how the clubs rely on the money and couldn't exist without it. Give up and get used to it. This phenomenon of fee-ing the girls to death is new! I know it's always been that way since you've been dancing but back in the olden days small and large clubs PAID the girls. I worked for many years on salary ($15-20 hourly) plus commissions for drinks and dances. The clubs did just fine too. The club owners know they've got you duped so why change. Nothing changes because girls haven't a clue when they set foot into the clubs and by the time they do get a clue, they're jaded and on their way out.