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Dottie Rebel
08-18-2008, 08:23 PM
I don't get it. Why go out of your way to avoid meat just to eat a sub-par veggie-version of the same meat you are avoiding? That actually goes for cheese, milk, and eggs too.

If your body craves animal protein, you aren't going to trick it with a veggie burger.

I always thought that when you go vegetarian, vegan, raw etc. it's because you don't want to eat processed foods made from an animal source. Shouldn't a first vegetarian meal be a salad...... not a plate of faux chicken?

Oh, goodness...a salad! Do you think we subsist on lettuce? :D

I don't eat fake meat because my body is craving protein. The protein thing is such a myth. Most American get too much protein--it's a big cause of osteoporosis. Look it up. I get plenty of protein.

I eat it because I used to LOVE meat but don't want to kill anyone just so I can have the yummy tastes that I like. It's not necessary.

I am not vegan because I don't want to eat processed foods, silly. :P I am vegan because I don't want to eat animals. Otherwise I'd be a "health food advocate" or some such. I don't know where the idea aprung up that veganism means you wear Birkenstocks and drink wheatgrass and eat only carrot sticks and quinoa.

However, the health benefits are a hell of an added bonus. My doctor is amazed at my cholesterol levels. Plus, I used to be chubby when I ate meat. Now, well, check out my av! According to Ameerah's post last year, she has used veganism for weight loss as well. ;)

Emily
08-18-2008, 08:32 PM
Arg! For the last time (ha! right!)
Vegan does not mean raw.
Vegan does not mean health nut.
Vegan does not mean you don't like/crave meat.

It means you. choose. not. to. eat. animal. protein.

PERIOD!

Any other product that people boycott because it conflicts with their personal beliefs, people get. But not this.

ahmeerah
08-18-2008, 08:40 PM
According to Ameerah's post last year, she has used veganism for weight loss as well. ;)

Just so there's no confusion - my digestive system was fucked up last year. And the other years of vegetarianism. My body could only handle so much. I had made an attempt to add animal proteins to my diet but I gained weight because I had to do some clean up work! So, veganism worked for me to lose weight.

My skin is so much prettier now! ;D And losing weight is easier now than it was then. I can eat a hellalot more and stay lean.

Dottie Rebel
08-18-2008, 08:40 PM
To Emily: I don't understand what's so difficult to comprehend about that! :D

ahmeerah
08-18-2008, 08:41 PM
^^^ Yeah, I just always figured vegans were health conscious - since that was my reason for it (and others I know). But that's not the case! Some just don't want to eat animal anything. That's OK.

Emily
08-18-2008, 08:45 PM
If I didn't want to buy a fur coat because I thought it was inhumane, would you call me health conscious?

ahmeerah
08-18-2008, 08:53 PM
If it's about inhumanity, I don't know why vegetarians who are concerned with inhumane treatment of animals wouldn't use goat's milk (or eat honey) from a good farm or even from their own farm. ???

School me please.

Emily
08-18-2008, 09:03 PM
lol

you make it sound so easy.

And you never know what anyone is doing. And my HOA doesn't allow goat farms. :)

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 09:04 PM
::) Some people don't eat meat for health reasons. Some people don't eat it because of ethics.

Still doesn't make any sense that you would take one food and try to flavor, shape, bake, press, squeeze, reconstitute it to make it taste as close as possible as the food that you are REJECTING for whatever reason.

Emily
08-18-2008, 09:07 PM
Still doesn't make any sense that you would take one food and try to flavor, shape, bake, press, squeeze, reconstitute it to make it taste as close as possible as the food that you are REJECTING for whatever reason.


Wow, okay. I thought it's been painfully explained, but I don't know how else to say it. Is there any product that you won't buy because you have ethical issues towards how its produced?

Lexi
08-18-2008, 09:12 PM
.......

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 09:38 PM
Oh, goodness...a salad! Do you think we subsist on lettuce?

Hell to the No. When I was vegan (and yeah I did it to lose weight) I ate anything and everything that was non-animal. Grains, greens, veggies, beans, fruits, rice, berries, all sorts of root veggies, the list goes on for dayyyyys.... I never said you had to live on salads... even though I ate plenty of those.

I went vegan for weight loss...... but then I saw that Soy milk had more calories than non-fat milk and the whole theory kinda collapsed from there.

Now I am at my thinnest, fittest, and happiest. :D

I've been on both sides of the coin. So you don't have to talk down to me or call me "silly". Now, back to our discussion.

I'm merely pointing out that having a fridge stocked with fake-meat is ridiculous. Having a "vegetarian" meal consisting of fake-chicken and mac-n-cheese is about as healthy as.... well going down to your local KFC.

Like I laughed out loud when I read that:

Well last night I started my first meal as a vegetarian! Woohoo ----Fake chicken with Annies shells and cheese. AND I just at a gluten free granola bar, and it actually tasted good!! I'm in shock

It's so preposterous!

If vegetarians love vegetables so much why don't they just eat some?

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 09:39 PM
:O

I admitted that I like how meat tastes but I do not support the cruelty. SO. I buy things that taste like it, without killing the animal. :)

No, no... I gotcha... I was just responding to Dottie and Emily.

Emily
08-18-2008, 09:42 PM
I tried using small words and sentences and it didn't work.

so basically, Sophia....if you don't get the point of fake meat, then don't buy it. It's not meant for you.

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 09:48 PM
Wow, okay. I thought it's been painfully explained, but I don't know how else to say it. Is there any product that you won't buy because you have ethical issues towards how its produced?

Is it so difficult to believe that people will go veggie for a variety of reasons?

Dottie Rebel
08-18-2008, 09:51 PM
I'm merely pointing out that having a fridge stocked with fake-meat is ridiculous. Having a "vegetarian" meal consisting of fake-chicken and mac-n-cheese is about as healthy as.... well going down to your local KFC.

Not true, because fake meat doesn't contain hormones, antibiotics, cholesterol, puss or chicken poop.

HOWEVER, we've stated that FOR US it's about respect for animals, not personal health. Can you understand the words that I just said?

I don't know if you think it's cute or what, but you are being a silly willy. We've made our reasons very clear and you refuse to understand. Now you're just being ignorant.

keira0304
08-18-2008, 10:06 PM
sophia... this website will have you very perplexed: www.foodfightgrocery.com They have freaking vegan peking roast duck.

i am not a vegan who frequently eats imitation meat...... the closest I get to imitation meat these days is occasionally having tofu.

but when i first went veg... i had boca burgers, fake chicken seitan strips, vegan jerky....etc. vegan jerky is actually REALLY good, and I've never eaten jerky before i went vegan.

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 10:11 PM
HOWEVER, we've stated that FOR US it's about respect for animals, not personal health. Can you understand the words that I just said?

Holy crap... it seems as though you've heinously misconstrued everything I wrote. I never knew avoiding meat products leads to such poor reading comprehension! Scientists should really look into that!!!

I am not knocking your decisions. Do what you gotta do. But understand that everyone isn't the same as you... People don't eat meat for religious, health, and economic reasons. WTF is so hard to understand about that?

No one accused you of being a hairy, tree worshiping, birkenstock wearing granola muncher. I have no idea where you jumped on that insanity bandwagon.


Can you understand the words that I just said?
Unless you're talking as you're typing you didn't say sh*t. ::)



I don't know if you think it's cute or what, but you are being a silly willy. We've made our reasons very clear and you refuse to understand. Now you're just being ignorant.

When I went vegan I did it for ME. Not because of gruesome videos or buzzwords like torture.

I wasn't naive enough to believe that my support, or lack there-of, would make any sizable impact in the meat industry. Because, just between you and me... it won't.

Animal products will still be produced. People will still gobble them up. Animals will still suffer. Ranchers will pad their pockets with plenty-o-cash.

Everyday animals are slaughtered.... no slaughter house boss calls me up and asks me if he should spare a calf based on my appetite that day. It's not like that stupid presedential turkey pardon they televise on Thanksgiving. No one cares what you think.

Without getting too metaphysical... I don't believe that pain will be transferred from a dead animal slice to another person, nor do i believe that baby lambs will track me down and haunt my dreams.

If you do.... you are the ignorant one.

keira0304
08-18-2008, 10:15 PM
Animal products will still be produced. People will still gobble them up. Animals will still suffer. Ranchers will pad their pockets with plenty-o-cash.

Everyday animals are slaughtered.... no slaughter house boss calls me up and asks me if he should spare a calf based on my appetite that day. It's not like that stupid presedential turkey pardon they televise on Thanksgiving. No one cares what you think.


um... this is basic economics. If you make a decision to NOT buy a product, less of the product will be produced when the supplier realizes there is less demand. They need money to produce their product, and they're not going to keep producing the same amount of product if there isn't a demand for it.

If enough people choose to not buy products that cause cruelty, there will be less of a demand, and less suffering.

just wanted to add..... I'm vegan for animal welfare and personal health.... but i'm a weird one who thinks that animal welfare (compassion) and personal health tend to go hand in hand....

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 10:19 PM
um... this is basic economics. If you make a decision to NOT buy a product, less of the product will be produced when the supplier realizes there is less demand. They need money to produce their product, and they're not going to keep producing the same amount of product if there isn't a demand for it.

If enough people choose to not buy products that cause cruelty, there will be less of a demand, and less suffering.

just wanted to add..... I'm vegan for animal welfare and personal health.... but i'm a weird one who thinks that animal welfare (compassion) and personal health tend to go hand in hand....

Agreed. But to make any sizable impact in the industry you'd need a whole mess of people to do the same.

Through out history, a portion of the population has been vegetarian. Beef, chicken, lamb, etc. producers are aware of that. They crunched the numbers and still profit.

Just this past 4th of July... the meat section in my local supermarket was nearly empty. There is just way more demand than opposition.


I'd also like to add that I'm not sadistic, nor am I stupid (as Emily and Dottie are implying). I applaud your support of humane treatment of animals and your logical response to my previous posts.

Emily
08-18-2008, 10:25 PM
I guess if everyone else is doing it, I should too! ::)

keira0304
08-18-2008, 10:28 PM
perhaps in certain parts of the country.......but there is a growing vegetarian population in cities like san francisco, portland, asheville and boulder that you can't deny.

There are vegetarian restaurants constantly opening up everywhere, and they wouldn't be there if there wasn't a growing demand. There are also new vegan/vegetarian products constantly coming out, which also wouldn't be there if there wasnt a demand. You can't say that the percentage of vegetarians overall in the US is not increasing.

SassyPants
08-18-2008, 10:37 PM
Since when is torture a buzzword? I'd hate to ask the peps at concentration camps, gitmo, slaves, rape victims, etc etc what they have to say about that. How fucking insensitive of you, srsly.

First: If a vegan chooses that diet based on ethical reasons, then it doesn't matter if the food s/he eats is processed or not. I don't give a shit about healthy food, I wanna eat what tastes good. So hell yeah, I'm going to eat stuff that tastes like chicken but isn't - because I find it ethically wrong to partake in the torture of animals in the meat industry (OOOOH look, i used the buzzword, does that mean everyone has to scream like PeeWee Herman?). But yes, I've eaten chicken before, and it tasted damn good, and what do you know! That fake chicken tastes damn good, too! And I didn't contribute to the torture(yes, they are tortured; 10,000 birds in one barn is NOT my idea of a good time) of an awesome creature.

Do you wear fake fur? Pleather? Cubic zircona? Buy fake Gucci bags? Fake nails? Hair extensions? If you ever wear anything FAKE, for any reason, then your argument here is null and void.

Second: "Unless you were talking while you were typing you didn't say shit." see: "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?"
I'm entertained by your lack of maturity. This could be a really informative, open discussion on a pretty contentious issue. Instead, you sound like a 12 year old. Oh wait, I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. I read you. silly me... hehehe!!!

Third: So if you don't believe that pain is transferred, anyone else who does believe that is IGNORANT? That's like telling someone "I don't believe in God and if you do, you're stupid." That's not fair to say to anyone. You said so yourself. Everyone's different. No one's like you. WTF IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?

I just can't help it, when i see hyprocracy, i have to point it out. I only expect the same out of others.

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 10:37 PM
I guess if everyone else is doing it, I should too! ::)


Speaking logical posts.... :loco:

I'm not trying to change your mind. I was blissfully unaware of you in the conversation till you quoted me on page 5. I responded to your post and you chose to insinuate that I was stupid because *gasp* I didn't agree with you.

Maybe being a emotionally unbalanced martyr isn't right for me, just like eating meat isn't for you. Calm down. I don't want to fight with you or Dottie, for that matter!

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 10:45 PM
perhaps in certain parts of the country.......but there is a growing vegetarian population in cities like san francisco, portland, asheville and boulder that you can't deny.

There are vegetarian restaurants constantly opening up everywhere, and they wouldn't be there if there wasn't a growing demand. There are also new vegan/vegetarian products constantly coming out, which also wouldn't be there if there wasnt a demand. You can't say that the percentage of vegetarians overall in the US is not increasing.


Agreed on all points. :yes: :yes: :yes:

However, I doubt that this growing population is affecting the profits of the animal product corporations. They can, and will find cheaper ways to operate...

Dottie Rebel
08-18-2008, 10:45 PM
Since when is torture a buzzword? I'd hate to ask the peps at concentration camps, gitmo, slaves, rape victims, etc etc what they have to say about that. How fucking insensitive of you, srsly.

First: If a vegan chooses that diet based on ethical reasons, then it doesn't matter if the food s/he eats is processed or not. I don't give a shit about healthy food, I wanna eat what tastes good. So hell yeah, I'm going to eat stuff that tastes like chicken but isn't - because I find it ethically wrong to partake in the torture of animals in the meat industry (OOOOH look, i used the buzzword, does that mean everyone has to scream like PeeWee Herman?). But yes, I've eaten chicken before, and it tasted damn good, and what do you know! That fake chicken tastes damn good, too! And I didn't contribute to the torture(yes, they are tortured; 10,000 birds in one barn is NOT my idea of a good time) of an awesome creature.

Do you wear fake fur? Pleather? Cubic zircona? Buy fake Gucci bags? Fake nails? Hair extensions? If you ever wear anything FAKE, for any reason, then your argument here is null and void.

Second: "Unless you were talking while you were typing you didn't say shit." see: "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?"
I'm entertained by your lack of maturity. This could be a really informative, open discussion on a pretty contentious issue. Instead, you sound like a 12 year old. Oh wait, I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. I read you. silly me... hehehe!!!

Third: So if you don't believe that pain is transferred, anyone else who does believe that is IGNORANT? That's like telling someone "I don't believe in God and if you do, you're stupid." That's not fair to say to anyone. You said so yourself. Everyone's different. No one's like you. WTF IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?

I just can't help it, when i see hyprocracy, i have to point it out. I only expect the same out of others.

lol @ Peewee Herman! I think she was just trying to be a loner, Sassy. A rebel.

keira0304
08-18-2008, 10:47 PM
^which is where the animal rights movement comes in with their organized groups of lobbyists and protesters and tries to stop cruel practices (which are for the most part, cheaper).

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 10:51 PM
^which is where the animal rights movement comes in with their organized groups of lobbyists and protesters and tries to stop cruel practices (which are for the most part, cheaper).


Righteous! I fully respect that. Seriously.

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 11:01 PM
Do you wear fake fur? Pleather? Cubic zircona? Buy fake Gucci bags? Fake nails? Hair extensions? If you ever wear anything FAKE, for any reason, then your argument here is null and void.


OMG! :laughing: Please read this..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

And for the record sassy, I wear real fur made primarily from baby pandas. All my jewelry is made from blood diamonds mined by malnourished children. And my hair extensions are harvested from war orphans with the scalp still attached.

And the Gucci... well I just don't like Gucci.

Emily
08-18-2008, 11:06 PM
I'm just reading this thread now because it's funny. And I don't think it's intentional. Maybe the pharmacy is closed on Mondays?

keira0304
08-18-2008, 11:22 PM
so..... um. let's end this. this thread is about HOW you eat healthy/raw/vegan and WHAT made you decide to..

so... let's talk about RAW food!!! I love raw food. yum yum yum. here's some raw food blogs/sites I like:

http://veganfoodi.blogspot.com/

http://www.aniphyo.com/

http://rawfoodsdiet.wetpaint.com/page/Raw+Foods+Diet+Recipes?t=anon

http://kristensraw.blogspot.com/ <---- my favorite, she is VERY educated

SassyPants
08-18-2008, 11:24 PM
ooh nosss not the baby pandas!!!


what's so illogical? you said that you didn't understand why anyone, for whatever reason, would purchase an item that's made to look, smell, taste, etc etc like the real thing. You worded it in such a way that you seemed disgusted that anyone would do such a thing. Me merely pointing out that you probably do it as well is far from illogical, imo. But what the hell do i know.

Dottie Rebel
08-18-2008, 11:27 PM
Sophia, why did you edit your post in which you accused Emily of being on meth?

And instead of snarkily linking the Wiki on logic, why don't you explain what your problem was with Sassy's post?

Finally, if I can ask, why did you eat Primal Strips when you were trying to void meat? Why didn't you just eat real jerky?

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 11:31 PM
Sophia, why did you edit your post in which you accused Emily of being on meth?

Finally, if I can ask, why did you eat Primal Strips when you were trying to void meat? Why didn't you just eat real jerky?

Dottie, because she editited the post that I quoted. Her original post was "There is a demand for meth too..."

I figure it wouldn't make much sense... when she changed it.

Emily
08-18-2008, 11:32 PM
it still doesn't make much sense, but I think we're beyond that now anyway.

keira0304
08-18-2008, 11:34 PM
primal strips are gross compared to stonewalls' jerquee... just sayin. ever tried it? I'm obsessed with it but I refuse to buy it because it's not healthy.... to much sodium.

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 11:35 PM
Finally, if I can ask, why did you eat Primal Strips when you were trying to void meat? Why didn't you just eat real jerky?

I was dieting. I stopped eating meat, fish, milk, eggs, cheese, etc.

So when I wanted something salty, and I was in a pinch (like shopping or in a restaurant that didn't serve anything that was both healthy and animal-product-free) I would eat a primal strip or two.

Dottie Rebel
08-18-2008, 11:36 PM
^^I like both. They're very different, but I love both. I have never eaten beef jerky, incidentally.

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 11:37 PM
primal strips are gross compared to stonewalls' jerquee... just sayin. ever tried it? I'm obsessed with it but I refuse to buy it because it's not healthy.... to much sodium.

I only like the Hot & Spicy Shiitake variety. I haven't seen Stonewall jerquee. If I go vegan again, I'll try it.

Dottie Rebel
08-18-2008, 11:38 PM
I was dieting. I stopped eating meat, fish, milk, eggs, cheese, etc.

So when I wanted something salty, and I was in a pinch (like shopping or in a restaurant that didn't serve anything that was both healthy and animal-product-free) I would eat a primal strip or two.


I don't get it. Why go out of your way to avoid meat just to eat a sub-par veggie-version of the same meat you are avoiding? That actually goes for cheese, milk, and eggs too.


o rly?

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 11:39 PM
^^I like both. They're very different, but I love both. I have never eaten beef jerky, incidentally.

Well... I can say that primal strips are their own entity, and in my opinion have very little resemblance to beef jerky. I like 'em in general.... not because they are intended to imitate meat.

They are light, compact, and tasty. Nowhere near meat-like though.

Dottie Rebel
08-18-2008, 11:44 PM
Right. And I like other "fake meats" because they are their own tasty entities, not because because they are intended to imitate meat.

Primal strips: described here as "The first meat alternative snack products in Soy, Seitan, and/or Shiitake Mushroom!"

http://www.primalspiritfoods.com/Products.html

SassyPants
08-18-2008, 11:45 PM
You know, you don't have to be vegan to eat vegan food, right?

also, perhaps primal strips are their own entity. they are not made out of cow like real jerky. but look ! it has the shape! the color! the smell! But it failed in the texture category so therefore it's not a viable meat substitute. You're kidding, right? Fake chicken doesn't have quite the texture of real chicken, so then you shouldn't have a problem understanding why people eat fake meat products. Just admit that you get it. I'll quit busting your balls if you do.



i'm making vegan cupcakes tomorrow. for a magical treat.

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 11:46 PM
o rly?

Yes, really. My vegan-salty-snack-strip-thingy was not the primary component of my diet. I didn't plan my meals around meat substitutes.... as in cutey's continental fake chicken with a side of mac-n-cheese.

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 11:48 PM
Right. And I like other "fake meats" because they are their own tasty entities, not because because they are intended to imitate meat.


That's cool!

If this was your first post to me I would have replied "Hey, really? What yummy foods would you recommend?"

Instead of calling me silly, stupid, etc.... we could have traded recipes. I'm not being sarcastic at all. 100% serious.

SassyPants
08-18-2008, 11:52 PM
Yes, really. My vegan-salty-snack-strip-thingy was not the primary component of my diet. I didn't plan my meals around meat substitutes.... as in cutey's continental fake chicken with a side of mac-n-cheese.


Well then, I hope you can try to communicate better. You never said "I don't understand why some people base the core of their vegan diets around fake meat products." you came across like anyone who ever eats fake meat is retarded. that's what i got from it, and that's why I went on the defensive.


i still can't believe you brought baby pandas into this. SHAME! :-[

Dottie Rebel
08-18-2008, 11:53 PM
Yes, really. My vegan-salty-snack-strip-thingy was not the primary component of my diet. I didn't plan my meals around meat substitutes.... as in cutey's continental fake chicken with a side of mac-n-cheese.

Ok, and sometimes I do. What on earth is wrong with that? Seriously? Like, sometimes people make a meatloaf and think, "Hmmm...what would be good with that? Mashed potatoes and peas! Yeah!" They've planned their meal around a meatloaf. I make my meatloaf with Gimme Lean and plan my meal around it. Sometimes my meal is a veggie stir-fry. I really don't see why my eating habits are such a point of contention for you.

And I never called you stupid.

Sophia_Starina
08-18-2008, 11:53 PM
also, perhaps primal strips are their own entity. they are not made out of cow like real jerky. but look ! it has the shape! the color! the smell! But it failed in the texture category so therefore it's not a viable meat substitute. You're kidding, right? Fake chicken doesn't have quite the texture of real chicken, so then you shouldn't have a problem understanding why people eat fake meat products. Just admit that you get it. I'll quit busting your balls if you do.




You didn't read the logic article did you? *tisk tisk*

The Spicy Primal Strip tastes like a smoked mushroom with cayenne pepper.

It is has zero resemblance to beef jerky.

Dottie Rebel
08-18-2008, 11:55 PM
If this was your first post to me I would have said "Hey, really? What yummy foods would you recommend?"

But if you had said that I wouldn't have been able to hear you. You know, 'cause


Unless you're talking as you're typing you didn't say sh*t. ::)

keira0304
08-18-2008, 11:56 PM
I like flax crackers.
http://goneraw.com/photos/0001/0449/Flax_Crackers-large_large.jpg