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Mr Hyde
08-18-2008, 04:28 PM
You know Jenny, your ridicluous over-the-top hyperbolic interpretation of my every syllable makes it damn near impossible to have any sort of debate with you. After your response where, for the second time, you accused me of hating the homeless, I stopped reading, so whatever you said after that was lost on me. I know that kills you.

Congrats, you have said on a message board that you know at least one homeless person. Can you give me quantifiable data about how much the typical panhandler makes in the top 20 markets in the US? If not, then neither of us has a shitload of a point there. That was all I read of your post, so that's all I'm able to comment on.

Get off your goddamned high horse, your opinion on this, frankly, is wrong. You want to give money out of pocket to the homeless, which does NOTHING but allow one more homeless person to continue their existence without having to try for more. Way to go.


Case closed. I win. Any further replies on your part will consist solely of accusations, so I won't bother reading them.

Jenny
08-18-2008, 04:31 PM
You know Jenny, your ridicluous over-the-top hyperbolic interpretation of my every syllable makes it damn near impossible to have any sort of debate with you. After your response where, for the second time, you accused me of hating the homeless, I stopped reading, so whatever you said after that was lost on me. I know that kills you. Hyde, sometimes it's like you don't even know me. You know I'm conceited enough to consider that your loss.

Mr Hyde
08-18-2008, 04:35 PM
You know what? This thread has inspired me. I am pledging to do the following things between now and the end of the month....

1-Volunteer at a local homeless shelter for one day
2-Buy some food from a gricery store, sort it into 10 small bags, and give it away
3-Speak with a homeless person and ask them about their life and the lives of other homeless people they know
4-Offer work to a homeless person...I will ask as many homeless people as it takes to help me do some work. I rent a storage space in an area that is loaded with homeless people. I need to clean it out. I will start asking homeless people I see with signs if they're willing to work. I'll pay minimum wage for about two hours of work and see who/what I get.

When I'm done, I'll report back. It may take a few weeks.

Flick6
08-18-2008, 04:59 PM
You know what? This thread has inspired me. I am pledging to do the following things between now and the end of the month....

1-Volunteer at a local homeless shelter for one day
2-Buy some food from a gricery store, sort it into 10 small bags, and give it away
3-Speak with a homeless person and ask them about their life and the lives of other homeless people they know
4-Offer work to a homeless person...I will ask as many homeless people as it takes to help me do some work. I rent a storage space in an area that is loaded with homeless people. I need to clean it out. I will start asking homeless people I see with signs if they're willing to work. I'll pay minimum wage for about two hours of work and see who/what I get.

When I'm done, I'll report back. It may take a few weeks.

If you do that you win. The previous post was just stoopid though ::) I have lived as a homeless person and been friends with many over the years, as well as run and participated in many food kitchens. From what i have seen the statements jenny is making are a hell of a lot more accurate than your opinions.

But seriously I would have a lot of respect if you do all those things, that is learning and being kind as well!

Mr Hyde
08-18-2008, 05:00 PM
Mr Hyde, we want pics to prove you will be telling the truth. ;) just joking.

But if you really are planning on doing that congrats! and it will be really interesting to see the results.

Well, here's the first step...just applied online to volunteer locally at one...here's the auto-reply I got back....





Metropolitan Ministries Inc.
2002 N. Florida Ave
Tampa, FL 33602
813-209-1000

August 18, 2008

Mr. (Hyde)
1111 Blank St
Tampa Suburb, FL 33111
Dear Mr. (Hyde):
Thank you for your interest in volunteering at Metropolitan Ministries!
We've noted your interests in the following items: Food Preparation & Service


Without the support of our many volunteers, Metropolitan Ministries Inc. would not be able to accomplish its mission.
One of our Volunteer Services Coordinators will contact you to confirm your volunteer position and answer any questions you have. Due to the increase in volume of contacts during the holiday season, it may take up to 3 business days for someone from volunteer services to contact you.

Once again, thank you for your continued support. We will be in contact with you soon.
Sincerely,
Volunteer Services
Metropolitan Ministries Inc.

We shall see how this goes...

xdamage
08-18-2008, 05:16 PM
I spent over 13 years when I was younger working with people who are mentally ill, and brain damaged. I learned that we humans are very fragile and I'm fortunate.

I had to earn my way up by take a very stressful job paying < $10 an hour, paying for everything myself including school. But I can't take all the credit. I was fortunate to have been raised by people who encouraged a good work ethic and to take responsibility. But who knows.. what if I had not had the benefit of such early teachings in life? What if had a mental illness, even a minor one, such as ADD that impacted on my ability to learn? What if I had depression and felt a stronger need to take drugs to ease the pain?

In many ways we are all just one catastrophe away from a being homeless.
I guess what I decided is our society MUST try to raise people to be self responsible. But it is beyond me to judge individuals. Who knows. If I had their bodies. Their brains. Their lives. I would be them and what evidence do I have that I'd do any better? None. So I give them the benefit of doubt, and give something because I'd hope someone would help me if I was living that life, in someone else's shoes.

Mr Hyde
08-18-2008, 05:23 PM
What about Jenny's perception in this discussion is more accurate? The discussion is about what is best for the homeless...to give them money or not. My contention is that giving them money is not a good thing, hers is that it is a good thing. What about that is more accurate?

Jenny
08-18-2008, 05:31 PM
I think people might be talking about things like people choose to be homeless, the way you would "treat" addicts and the implications that the homeless are just lazy people who don't want to work.

I think you have a great project; there is a post earlier on desirable things to include - some unexpected things like socks.

Miss_Luscious
08-18-2008, 05:37 PM
Yes I give. I am a strong believer in karma and I know for a fact that I have gotten back every red cent I've given out of the kindness of my heart. Even if they are scam artists, it's a hell of a hustle to stand on a street corner for 10 hours in 30 degree weather asking strangers for money and I respect it. They've earned it as far as I'm concerned. It's not my business what they do with the money once it's out of my hands. I'm not going to even try to decide whether they are worthy of my dollar. I have plenty and they probably have very few so it's no skin off my nose. I've been homeless and I've had to ask strangers for money so I know how it feels. Believe me, it's not like most of them are out doing it for shits and giggles.

Also, I have had customers refuse to tip me because they "didn't know what I would spend the money on." I mean I did spend some on weed but most of it went to bills and food LOL.

I rambled, my bad.

pink_staR
08-18-2008, 10:36 PM
i do, becuase it makes me feel like i have helped someone. i dont care what they use it for as long as it gets them through the day.

Me too.

NewMoon
08-18-2008, 10:40 PM
What about Jenny's perception in this discussion is more accurate? The discussion is about what is best for the homeless...to give them money or not. My contention is that giving them money is not a good thing, hers is that it is a good thing. What about that is more accurate?
I don't mean this to be rude but it was your comments about how "homeless people can just go to a shelter to get immediate relief" which irked me as someone who is formulating opinions without having a clear picture of resources available to the homeless and needy.

VAHoney
08-19-2008, 10:53 AM
I do b/c I don't give to shelters, and I know that $3 isn't going to hurt me. If they are just trying to scam people, then they will get whats coming to them.

Mr Hyde
08-19-2008, 11:48 AM
I don't mean this to be rude but it was your comments about how "homeless people can just go to a shelter to get immediate relief" which irked me as someone who is formulating opinions without having a clear picture of resources available to the homeless and needy.

So they can't go to a homeless shelter for ANYTHING? I guess we should just shut down the homeless shelters, they obviously can't help the homeless. Instead, let's just give them handouts with no expectation that they do anything on their part to better themselves.

sexyjasmine
08-19-2008, 12:36 PM
I always give money to homeless people.

When I was like 3 I really wanted mc donalds and my mom gave me 6 dollars. I thought I was rich lol Anyway then we started walking there and a homeless man was on the ground so I pulled away from my mom and gave the homeless man my 6 dollars and started crying. My mom asked me why was I crying and I said because I know thats not enough for him to get a home. yeah I was a sweet kid lol

but anyway a lot of people don't give to homeless people because they feel like their gonna buy crack or beer or whatever. As long as you give from your heart it should never matter what they do with the money!

You are not in their situation maybe if you was you would be doing crack and drinking all the time so never judge someone. give from your heart and leave the rest in gods hands

NewMoon
08-19-2008, 12:37 PM
So they can't go to a homeless shelter for ANYTHING? I guess we should just shut down the homeless shelters, they obviously can't help the homeless. Instead, let's just give them handouts with no expectation that they do anything on their part to better themselves.
Did you read anything else I wrote in this thread?

I hate repeating myself but.... I support donating to homeless shelters and places that help the homeless because I believe it is the best way to help them. Just because I'm not delusional about the resources available doesn't mean I we should shut down homeless shelters and give handouts. What the hell??

Seriously, read what someone wrote before responding, please, and don't extrapolate ridiculousness that does not exist. My argument is very clear and simple:

1. Resources available to help the homeless are grim.
2. We get a better value for our dollar donating to organizations that help the homeless rather than putting dollars into their hands.

CKXXX
08-19-2008, 01:32 PM
If I have it to give, I do. Hell...I've even gone into bars and bought drinks for homeless guys in Key West. Whatever...I'm going to use that money to drink and its more likely that people will give me free drinks then them so who am I to judge?

I give to organizations to when I can. And street performers.

In some places though...like Key West...I've gotten to know quite a few of the homeless and they are actually really nice people who have just fallen on hard times. I'm friends with one named Cash who dresses in womens clothes and dances around on Duval St. Not for money though...(but he'll take it if offered) just for fun! He's been in and out of jail for various reasons. But he quit drinking and last time I saw him all he'd let me buy him was orange juice. He also says stuff like "I dont want to act like a bum....but can you spare a buck"....which is just too funny. He's a blast and he's a genuinely happy person.

I dont care what they use it for. If they are that bad of an addict...they arent GOING to seek help. They arent GOING to get better....so let them be happy for one more day.

It isnt my place to judge what the money i give is used for.

Corgan
08-19-2008, 02:19 PM
i do give money to homeless. not ever more than $1, but i give it.

i agree with scarlettoz, in vancouver there are homeless people with thier animals... it makes me sad!! i specifically remember this old grey man with a big dog on robson st and this young woman was feeding them hot dogs. it really warmed my insides seeing that.

NewMoon
08-19-2008, 05:39 PM
i do give money to homeless. not ever more than $1, but i give it.

i agree with scarlettoz, in vancouver there are homeless people with thier animals... it makes me sad!! i specifically remember this old grey man with a big dog on robson st and this young woman was feeding them hot dogs. it really warmed my insides seeing that.
I have been told my several homeless people that they adopt puppies because it increases their income.

Corgan
08-20-2008, 07:01 AM
well that's just selfish!!!

NewMoon
08-20-2008, 07:25 AM
well that's just selfish!!! Yeah, it pisses me off. What bothers me is that downtown I see about 5 puppies for every dog. I'm wondering what happens to the puppies when they grow up.

threlayer
08-20-2008, 09:49 AM
I'm wondering what happens to the puppies when they grow up.

They exchange them for egg rolls at Chinese restaurants.

babybambi08
03-19-2010, 11:16 PM
I haven't read every post in this thread.. I just searched for it.. and found it.. Im so desperate for money right now I am going to go panhandling tomorrow.. I work, and I am not homeless YET. I have two kids that I have to provide for.. I recently got food assistance, so that has helped alot. I tried to get a couple charities to help with my bills but they say that I need a job with a pay check to get help from them.. I have been dancing, doing web-cam, cleaning homes, ect and I just cant seem to make it right now.. the economy right now is really killing me! I have even started selling things on Ebay.. I am also trying to sell my washer and dryer, they are old and beat up, washer barely works anyways.. I am going to sell them and wash my clothes at my moms... right now I need to do whatever I can to stay off the streets and I vowed that my children would NEVER worry about money! My mom was disabled and was in the hospital my whole life, when she was home she had a nurse come 4 times a week to give her meds.

I am going to make a sign that says something like "Single Working Mom just trying to make ends meet, God bless"

I am too embarrassed to do this in my neighborhood so Im going to travel about thirty mins away..

I really want to go back to school next fall.. I refuse to stay poor! I am thinking that I am going to have to make living arrangements soon..
My mother has a one bedroom she shares with my brother, and I have two kids.. but If she cant get a bigger place, I am going to think about moving to my grandma, which I know she will take me, but that will be a move 1500 miles away! I really wanna try to move in with my girlfriend and her mom.. she has a spare room, its kinda like a den.. and I would have to sell almost everything I own or store it.. but I got to do something! Anyways thanks girls that do give to the homeless.. I usually never gave cash but I would ALWAYS go to the nearest McDonalds and get a big mac meal for them... yes Id go out of my way, even if I was in a hurry because I have been homeless before..

Christyismyalias
03-20-2010, 03:31 AM
I never ever give cash, but I always try and give something.. Mostly food. I actually try to always keep protein/granola bar type stuff in my car for them. At least it's something. I would definitely buy them a meal if I saw them in or near a restaurant, but mostly I just see them at the stop lights. I can't just pass them, it makes me way too sad thinking about them living on the streets all time.

My friend used to give them beer. She was like "that's what they really want anyway!"
Maybe, but I think that is perpetuating the cycle and believing in the stereotype, and it's saying it's OK. I don't think they are all drunks, I think many are good people who just got off track.

I saw something on TV about homeless people and it made me sad, one point was the people tried to give them jobs and none would show up, they just wanted it all handed to them. Another point was that many are actually wealthy people and they make good money doing that.. Maybe in some places, but majority are really struggling and people don't make any effort to help. However, I did do volunteer work at a homeless shelter and I was STUNNED at some of the people taking the handouts. So many were able bodied and healthy.. There can always be mental problems of course, but some even had gameboy type games and other expensive technology items.. I just think I'd have to be pretty bad off to go accepting handouts and living in a shelter, not having Ipods and whatnot... Some of the people were very legitimate and it breaks your heart. And they are SO happy to have you there... That was a very overwhelming feeling.

Many people who were in trouble with the law have trouble getting back into the workplace, and then of course all the many veterans who get shit on in our society. It's a tough world out there, some people just struggle more than others.

Amareth
03-20-2010, 12:21 PM
I've heard a lot of stories about people begging and pretending to be homeless when they're not, also there are a lot of drug addicts and alcoholics among them so really don't want to give these people money.

That being said I do like helping people out so if there's someone begging outside when I do my grocery shopping I'll buy them a sandwich or something, I'd rather spend $2 giving food to someone who needs it then give $1 to an asshole.

babybambi08
03-20-2010, 12:45 PM
yes thats true, Alot of them are drug addicts, but there are some homeless people that arent.. Im not homeless yet! but my church used to own this restaurant right next next to the church and on sundays we would close to the public and we would go get people from the streets and we would feed them, do a little preaching at the time I was only 13, but I helped cooked and played with the kids.. there are people that are just down on their luck.. there are alot of poor working families in my area..
So homeless or just begging I try to feed them..

HustletteDiva
03-20-2010, 02:02 PM
I have to admit I have a habit of giving to the homeless when I have it.....but I have always been that way since I were a little girl. My mom said I would ask her if the homeless people could come in and have dinner with us or if I could take my food that I do not eat to them.....(laughing cause I was always a big eater.haha) but at the time I was fortunate since my dad was in the military and my mom was a stay at home mom at the time...but the point is I always been that way....mind you now at 24yrs old I have been homeless before myself among other situations and have seen both sides of it....I have heard of the scam artist, I have seen the lazy people who just want to beg and mooch, and I have see the people who are truly in need and just need extra help to get by and some of them are trying to better their situation...so with all that I still have a soft heart to give to them to help out......I do agree I do not want to keep supporting their habit or scam if it is indeed that but I always wonder too if the person truly needs help like I mentioned I have been in that situation before. Yeah I would rather make sure the money is going where they say it is by getting what they need myself but usually I just give them the money if I have it. I do donate to organizations as well as volunteer even though not so much lately as I have been so busy but I really like helping out when I can...

Lola_sinn
03-20-2010, 08:59 PM
So one afternoon not too long ago I was in the corner Chinese store around the corner from a friend's house waiting for my food. There was one other guy in there while I was waiting, a middle-aged blue-collar-looking black guy. A second dude comes in the store, he's maybe the same age as the first one but you can tell from his hygiene and appearance that he has a drug habit. They clearly recognize each other and say hi. Then the second dude looks over at me, shuffles over in front of me, puts on a fake stutter that wasn't in his voice before, and tries to hustle me for change.

I dunno if it's entirely relevant, especially since panhandling is very common in the area I live in and most panhandlers do have a home (sometimes they will even ask you for change as you walk by their porch!) but I just wanted to throw in my two cents.

Get Hot Lingerie
03-20-2010, 10:42 PM
I give to anyone who asks if I have it. Sometimes even if I do not have it. I remember having $10 and giving a homeless guy $5 of it. The other $5 was for gas. Then I have also seen someone panhandling on the street earlier in the day and be in the bar partying it up that night.

Basically, my philosophy is you never know who is telling the truth. So give them the help, if you can.

I once got a great deal on diapers. I bought like 200 packs that week. I saved some for my son. Gave my sister about 60 packs. Then took some and dropped them on neighbors porches that I knew had kids around the size of the diapers.

My parents raised me to help anyone and everyone as much as you can because you never know when you will be the one needing help and they may be the only person near you.

Think about it. That homeless person that is always hanging around at 2 am might be the only one there when someone tries to attack you. Or they might be the ones that offer to help you fix your car. You just never know what they might have done previously.

The thing is we cannot judge everyone by what one or two people do. If we did, we would all be axe murdering, alcoholic theives. ;)

Jessie_tinydancer
03-22-2010, 12:46 AM
If I have something easily accessible ie. don't have to dig through my purse, then I'll give them some money. I see them the same as me... just trying to make it. I don't care if they spend it on drugs... I spend some of my money on drugs or other useless shit too. It's none of my business what they spend it on.

I will dig money out my pocket for someone who is busking though and I'll give them $5-$10 if they are any good.

Sometimes it makes me laugh though, because although Im not homeless I have a lot more debt that these people. I wonder if they realize that.

J.D.
03-22-2010, 01:10 AM
I'm just reminded of walking down Bourbon Street (SOOOO many damn panhandlers!) on my way to work, and a guy stopping me, "Excuse me miss, could you spare a dollar?" and I got pissed. I was thinking, damn does this guy know I have to show my naked body for dollars, why would I just give away my money when I had to put my pride to the side to do this job and earn it. I have worked really fucking hard for the things I have, therefore I have a really difficult time just giving it away to someone begging on the street.

Also, one time a girl was walking past me on Bourbon during the day wearing an Ipod, dressed decent. As she approached me, she took her ear phones off and was like, "Excuse me, I'm really hungry, do you have any spare change so I could buy lunch?" I said to her, "Wow, that's a really nice Ipod, you know you could pawn that and get some cash so you don't have to beg people for change." I'm not saying all panhandlers are like this, but it really really irritates me that people can do this shit when I bust my ass for the money I have.

MarvelGirl
03-22-2010, 09:03 AM
I'm just reminded of walking down Bourbon Street (SOOOO many damn panhandlers!) on my way to work, and a guy stopping me, "Excuse me miss, could you spare a dollar?" and I got pissed. I was thinking, damn does this guy know I have to show my naked body for dollars, why would I just give away my money when I had to put my pride to the side to do this job and earn it. I have worked really fucking hard for the things I have, therefore I have a really difficult time just giving it away to someone begging on the street.



I feel the exact same way. I've gotten rude about it over the years and I've told a couple of them flat out "I don't take off my clothes to feed YOU."

The young, attractive girls piss me off more than anything. I told one of them that she ought to get a job stripping, since living in Vegas and all, there are dozens of damn clubs. The little bitch actually said to me "I have too much dignity to do that!"

I tore her a new one. "What fucking dignity, you're begging strangers for fucking pocket change on the street. You don't even know what dignity means."

rubyredlipsss
03-22-2010, 11:59 AM
i'll admit i give money to the homeless. i'm like jessie, i don't really care if they spend it on booze or whatever. there are also a lot of homeless people who have mental disorders and have ended up on the streets because they couldn't function normally in society because they didn't have insurance or whatever. i won't give money to young homeless people because there's a big problem with young homeless 'families' and they choose to leave home because they want to drink and do drugs and basically not work. but i will spare a dollar to a panhandler, if they choose to use it to drink or drugs, that's their choice...i hustle for money and they're hustling too.

i guess i sort of have this perspective that girls that strip for drugs are not much different than those who are homeless and on drugs. i once saw a homeless guy with a sign that said "because beer is cheaper than therapy" i appreciated his honesty so i gave him a couple quarters. i thought, hey, at least he's honest and i've done my share of drinking to cope with my mental illness. but i've never had a homeless person get mad at me for not giving me money. plus, i see a lot of former vets who are homeless (and yes if you look at the rate of homeless vets it's very high and unfortunately the government does not help veterans the way they should) i know many won't agree with this but imo if i have the extra buck and time, i'll give it to them.

but i would be pissed if a panhandler told me they had too much dignity to strip.

MarvelGirl
03-22-2010, 12:12 PM
but i would be pissed if a panhandler told me they had too much dignity to strip.

Oh yeah, and the beauty of it was I wasn't being snarky at all when I suggested it. This girl is pretty, lean and 22 years old. I was trying to be helpful and then she gave me attitude. She hangs out in front of a grocery store near my house and I am convinced that she begs because she is just too damn lazy to work.

I stopped at the store about a month later with a friend and she had the nerve to approach my friend and ask for money. She was going to give her something when I stopped her and let her know that this bum doesn't want our "dirty money" since she has too much dignity to accept a handout from one of us nasty strippers. lol, she was pissed.

rubyredlipsss
03-22-2010, 12:23 PM
^that is amazing! but seriously what a cunt...at least we work for our money and work damn hard for it. i've suggested to a friend one time who has stripper friends when she was about to be homeless that she should consider stripping and she told me she couldn't do something like THAT. i was wtf'ing all over the place. it's like so you'd rather end up homeless than make the money you need for rent in a week? there's nothing more that pisses me off than people who judge strippers.

i used to struggle with these judgments until my therapist told me you're not doing anything illegal, in this economy you have to do what you have to do to make your money, you should not be ashamed by this job no matter if people stereotype you as a whore or dirty, because you're not. so now when people try to give me shit, i get all up in their faces about it. your responses are absolute gold. love it!

Athenathefabulous
03-22-2010, 12:38 PM
I used to be a lot more generous to them.

but, at some point i realized, if i gave a dollar to everyone who asked for a dollar, i wouldn't have any dollars left to give.

Xiomara
03-22-2010, 02:18 PM
Hell No. Nobody's handing me money. I gotta do shit I dont even like to do for my money, I damn sure wont give it to someone because they didnt take advantage of the opportunities of life. Life aint easy, I feel bad for them, but I got 2 little mouths to feed.
Sorry for their drug/beer/cig habit. Aint usin off my hard earned money! Offered one a cheeseburger and fries when I came out of Mcdonalds one time. Was clearly fresh, he saw me walk out holding the bag. He scoffed at me. Mmmm-hmmm...he just wanted the cash. Please. Next.

Xiomara
03-22-2010, 02:28 PM
I'm just reminded of walking down Bourbon Street (SOOOO many damn panhandlers!) on my way to work, and a guy stopping me, "Excuse me miss, could you spare a dollar?" and I got pissed. I was thinking, damn does this guy know I have to show my naked body for dollars, why would I just give away my money when I had to put my pride to the side to do this job and earn it. I have worked really fucking hard for the things I have, therefore I have a really difficult time just giving it away to someone begging on the street.

Also, one time a girl was walking past me on Bourbon during the day wearing an Ipod, dressed decent. As she approached me, she took her ear phones off and was like, "Excuse me, I'm really hungry, do you have any spare change so I could buy lunch?" I said to her, "Wow, that's a really nice Ipod, you know you could pawn that and get some cash so you don't have to beg people for change." I'm not saying all panhandlers are like this, but it really really irritates me that people can do this shit when I bust my ass for the money I have.

I agree. And homeless or not, nothing pisses me off more than a MAN asking a WOMAN for money. Jesus forgive me for going off on sooo many men at the gas station. Makes me sick.

Mr Hyde
03-22-2010, 06:35 PM
I'm just reminded of walking down Bourbon Street (SOOOO many damn panhandlers!) on my way to work, and a guy stopping me, "Excuse me miss, could you spare a dollar?" and I got pissed. I was thinking, damn does this guy know I have to show my naked body for dollars, why would I just give away my money when I had to put my pride to the side to do this job and earn it. I have worked really fucking hard for the things I have, therefore I have a really difficult time just giving it away to someone begging on the street.

Also, one time a girl was walking past me on Bourbon during the day wearing an Ipod, dressed decent. As she approached me, she took her ear phones off and was like, "Excuse me, I'm really hungry, do you have any spare change so I could buy lunch?" I said to her, "Wow, that's a really nice Ipod, you know you could pawn that and get some cash so you don't have to beg people for change." I'm not saying all panhandlers are like this, but it really really irritates me that people can do this shit when I bust my ass for the money I have.

I LOVE YOU

Have you read the thread a while back where I got bashed for saying that giving money to homeless people is bad for them? And the subsequent thread where I did a list of homeless volunteer work?

Mr Hyde
03-22-2010, 06:51 PM
oh crap, it was IN this thread...and I never got any thing back from Jenny about how I was right...and now she's gone....oh well...

Zinaida
03-22-2010, 06:57 PM
Nope. Never have never will. I have myself to worry about.

Zinaida
03-22-2010, 06:57 PM
if i gave a dollar to everyone who asked for a dollar, i wouldn't have any dollars left to give.
Exactly.

Mr Hyde
03-22-2010, 07:15 PM
fyi....

http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=125596

Athenathefabulous
03-23-2010, 08:17 AM
^^ i liked that thread. interesting.

i have to agree with you on a level. i used to be active with Food not Bombs, which is an organization (of sorts... its anarchist so technically it cant really be an organization) where we would use surplus food and food from dumpster diving to cook and then feed it to whoever wanted it

i remember one time my friend and i were walking downtown with some cups and a homeless guy begged us for a dollar to get some food

my friend was like "well follow us. 2 minutes away we are handing out free food. you can eat all you want!"

he didnt come with us. :(

KS_Stevia
03-23-2010, 04:54 PM
I smoke and will give them extra ciggies if they ask at stop lights. But I'll give anyone a smoke if they ask for one. I know they are expensive, its just something I do.

Once or twice a year I will give a woman on the streets a $20 piece. Who knows what she uses it for..even if its drugs. I've wasted enough of my own money on drugs and booze trying to numb the pain of my own existence. If that' what she uses it for, then so be it.

I will NEVER give a penny to anyone who insults me, pressures me, or makes up some obviously fake bullshit story...its not my business why you need money..if I felt charitable, just accept it, I don't care why.

malayataylor
03-23-2010, 07:28 PM
I used to give out $20 bills to the homeless like it was nothing up UNTIL one day I was leaving the bank and had a wad of cash on me. I guess the homeless guy spotted me and knew that I had a lot of money on me or assumed I did. He asked for a dollar and I handed him $20 and he goes "THAT'S ALL YOU GOT FOR ME?" I'm like "yeahh" He's like "GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE".. I was SHOCKED! Since that day I don't feel moved to give them (Homeless people) a dime. Maybe once in a while I'll give one a $5 bill or so but I feel THEY NEED TO GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND FIND A DAMN JOB!

It's not right to talk to someone that way when they're trying to help out!

dlabtot
03-23-2010, 07:46 PM
Sometimes it makes me laugh though, because although Im not homeless I have a lot more debt that these people. I wonder if they realize that.

I heard a old man asked about whether he worried about all the money he owed to the bank. He said

"I used to, until I realized it was their money... let them worry about it!"


Make that a wise old man.

rubyredlipsss
03-24-2010, 11:43 AM
^great so because he won't pay his debt to the bank, the rest of us have to make up for it...although i do agree that banking industry really does fuck a lot people, people not paying their debts affects the rest of us.

JoJoX
03-25-2010, 02:57 PM
i hate homeless people. how the fuck did you end up in the streets?? theres plenty of min wage jobs- inlcuding mc donalds and there are alot of programs that provide affordable housing. i dont ever feel sorry for homeless people.

Xiomara
03-25-2010, 06:19 PM
Thinkin about the homeless man who died a few weeks ago during our Florida freeze...he was sleeping in these trees off the side of a busy intersection. He helped me change my tire when it went flat like a block from his "home" of trees. He was nice, I gave him $40 and told him I will speak to him if I pass by and see him again. :( He died from the cold a couple weeks later. His homeless buddy made it thru the nite... he was pretty upset when he realized in the morning his friend was gone. This was just a few weeks ago. The city cut all those trees down, so the homeless, who werent even bothering anybody, had to find a new "shelter".
City of Pensacola decided to use FEMA money to rebuild a damn fishing pier, not a homeless shelter. Stupid mofos. I do feel bad for most homeless, but I have to remember there are plenty of days I struggle, and I have 2 kids to feed. Would be different if I wasnt a mom.

Lexi_Girl
03-25-2010, 06:40 PM
i hate homeless people. how the fuck did you end up in the streets?? theres plenty of min wage jobs- inlcuding mc donalds and there are alot of programs that provide affordable housing. i dont ever feel sorry for homeless people.

Minimum wage in my city is 9 dollars. The waiting list for affordable housing is months here, sometimes years if you're looking for a one bedroom apartment for people who make less than 2000 a month. At minimum wage, you'd be making 1440 a month, 18720 a year, with no benefits or pensions or anything. And that's if you find a 40 hour a week job. When I was working minimum wage, I struggled to get over 30 hours.

I think it's a bit hasty to say 'go get a minimum wage job and some affordable housing' as if it were the easiest thing in the world.

Not to mention a lot of homeless people have untreated medical problems that cause them to be unable to function in a regular setting.

That being said, no, I don't give money to homeless people simply because I'm trying to save some money and pay off my student loan and start a retirement fund.