View Full Version : I wanna KILL female "customers"
Jenny
08-19-2008, 10:38 AM
Jenny love, I don't think you get that we DON'T GIVE A FUCK about "other women's rights" when it fucks with OUR MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am all for damn near anything, till it fucks with me, my family, or my cash flow; then it's a NO GO in my book, which is JUST what those cunts are.>:(
Okay. But there is a big difference in saying "I'm all for backtracking women's rights 30 years so that I make more money this week" (which, can I say - SHORT sighted?) and saying "this doesn't infringe anyone's rights."
In addition - I would suggest that whether you care about them or not - they still exist. I mean there are a lot of businesses who don't care about the rights of women; fortunately we haven't tended to let them determine what rights women have.
kaiarose
08-19-2008, 10:38 AM
Jenny love, I don't think you get that we DON'T GIVE A FUCK about "other women's rights" when it fucks with OUR MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am all for damn near anything, till it fucks with me, my family, or my cash flow; then it's a NO GO in my book, which is JUST what those cunts are.>:(
Exactly! What about our rights?! Is it fair that we have to put up with girls in a "gentlemen's" club? That we have to get harassed when we go to the bathrooms or heckled when we're onstage? Girls are much more brutal than men becaue they know what buttons to press. I had girls throw change at me, insult my weight, tell guys NOT to get dances from me. I've even had girl customers (with the permission of the managers) do nude dances for our customers, right on the floor, right in front of all of us dancers. That was a bad night. This shit wouldn't happen however, if women weren't allowed in a man's club.
Jenny
08-19-2008, 10:40 AM
Exactly! What about our rights?! Is it fair that we have to put up with girls in a "gentlemen's" club?
Yes.
That we have to get harassed when we go to the bathrooms or heckled when we're onstage? Girls are much more brutal than men becaue they know what buttons to press. I had girls throw change at me, insult my weight, tell guys NOT to get dances from me. I've even had girl customers (with the permission of the managers) do nude dances for our customers, right on the floor, right in front of all of us dancers. That was a bad night. This shit wouldn't happen however, if women weren't allowed in a man's club.It also wouldn't happen if your bar enforced even rudimentary rules against women. It just sounds fundamentally illogical to me to say "the club won't enforce these rules, so we think they should enforce a banning instead."
RebeccaSolidarity
08-19-2008, 10:41 AM
Rule #1 all Lady Customers Should Follow: Flirt with the dancers and not with the customers. This way you can have your flirt on without distracting attention away from the dancers, and chances are good that the men will be incensed toward greater spending upon seeing 'lesbian' flirtation. Though keep the flirtation clean. Just cause you are a chick does not meen you can go and touch the dancers in ways that the men cannot.
Rule #2 all Lady Customers Should Follow: Tip and tip better than the men. Assuming you are a reasonably attractive woman your presence in the club is distracting men from the dancers. Tipping better than the men not only makes up for this distraction but it may also make the men feel as if they must outperform the female interloper who is showing them up in their man cave. Trust me, it works.
These two simple rules for lady customers will ensure that you will have a better time and the dancers will welcome you back into the club whenever you come back. Some might even be pleased to see you if your execution of these rules ends up being aces.
Guideline for Lady Customers: Talk up the dancers to any men you be attending with or speaking with. It is the polite thing to do.
I now shuffle off back to work. My eyeliner needs to be reapplied.
kitana
08-19-2008, 11:08 AM
Okay. But there is a big difference in saying "I'm all for backtracking women's rights 30 years so that I make more money this week" (which, can I say - SHORT sighted?) and saying "this doesn't infringe anyone's rights."
In addition - I would suggest that whether you care about them or not - they still exist. I mean there are a lot of businesses who don't care about the rights of women; fortunately we haven't tended to let them determine what rights women have.
You also have to realize that these clubs we are talking about are PRIVATE ESTABLISHMENTS and can and do refuse service to anyone THEY deem fit.
I see NOTHING wrong with weeding out the less desirables as patrons and that includes the party girls, as well as stinky boy, drug pusher guy, asshole man, and gropey Joe.
Jenny, you also have to realize I don't care about other's rights if their rights are prohibiting me from making money to take care of my family.
Don't get me wrong, if it's not hurting me or mine and it's a good cause, then I am all for it, but the second it interferes with my ability to give my family anything, it's game over. I am all for helping people and supporting causes, but not at the expense of me or mine.
Andygirl
08-19-2008, 12:09 PM
My post wasn't meant to offend anybody. I'm a dancer now, remember? I think you LIVE to argue on this forum, seriously.
Lol, yeah, out of all the people on here, I live to argue.::)
I'm sorry - how do you figure this? Most people have a legal right not to be discriminated against by a service provider on the basis of gender. How do you determine that... discriminating against them on the basis of gender is not infringing their rights? The only rationale for this I've heard here is "but I don't like it" - which... I don't either, but is hardly a reasonable explanation.
I remember when some clubs had that rule. The rationale behind it was that it would cut down on soliciting, which it did. I think it infringes on their rights less because they can still come in the club, they just have to be escorted by a man. The couples would still be welcome, but it would cut down on the large groups of bitchy bachelorette parties and such.
Strip clubs are different than other clubs. We have things going on that do not go on in a regular bar. I think this would warrant some different rules. But I don't think you have to worry, there's no real threat of women being banned from strip clubs. There's no way they'd give up money, even if it is a lot less than what male customers spend.
Lol, yeah, out of all the people on here, I live to argue.::)
That's pretty much correct, Ma'am.
Anyway, I don't really have a problem with female custies. Yeah, they glare at me while I'm onstage sometimes, (okay, a lot, LOL) and annoy the HELL out of me when they try to come into the dressing room to hang out, but I guess I've been pretty lucky--I haven't had any major issues with any of them.
*knocks on wood*
Jenny
08-19-2008, 01:02 PM
You also have to realize that these clubs we are talking about are PRIVATE ESTABLISHMENTS and can and do refuse service to anyone THEY deem fit.
This is not right. Human rights legislation specifically governs businesses, and in most places they may not refuse service based on human rights criteria - that is, you are no longer allowed to run a business which excludes patrons because race or sex (there are others - sexual orientation, disability, but those tend to be pretty universal) unless it is part of a hygiene exception, an ameliorative purpose or it is a private association (which is legally defined - you can't generally just declare yourself to be one).
And like I said - employees of businesses have traditionally not cared about the rights of certain minority people. That's why we have the legislation in the first place.
I'm pretty sure Jai was just complaining after a bad night and has a pretty good idea of what it would mean to start excluding women from businesses on the basis of being women. But I'd consider what it might mean to one's character and to society to say that "human rights are all well and good so long as they don't inconvenience me."
txchick008
08-19-2008, 01:13 PM
Oh, so the prostitutes have to bring their pimps in to do business?
Apparently so!
veronicachick
08-19-2008, 01:21 PM
Some strip clubs around here each girl must have a guy accompanying them to come in.
I like this rule because I can understand... and have seen how catty and insecure some female custys can be.
Refusing entry to groups of women would be alot like the clubs I go to... My friends and I walk right in... but if we have a bunch of guys with us.. we will be outside waiting. Unless the guys are willing to buy bottles and spend tons of money.
So is refusing entry to these men while women walk right in discrimination? Nah.. its strictly business.
jaizaine
08-19-2008, 05:57 PM
Some strip clubs around here each girl must have a guy accompanying them to come in.
I like this rule because I can understand... and have seen how catty and insecure some female custys can be.
Refusing entry to groups of women would be alot like the clubs I go to... My friends and I walk right in... but if we have a bunch of guys with us.. we will be outside waiting. Unless the guys are willing to buy bottles and spend tons of money.
So is refusing entry to these men while women walk right in discrimination? Nah.. its strictly business.
Exactly. Plus as much as I like going to SC's I would be willing to sacrifice that in order to not have girls in clubs at all. But as there is no hope of that happening I think the best policy would be only allowing couples in.
The whole strip club idea is set up for men as a fantasy for men. It just doesnt work for most women. They get offended by what they see, jealous and threatened.
I really wish going to SC's would stop being the in-thing for the stupid bitchy party girls. They should stick to flashing guys for free at bars.
FUCK I HATE THEM.
NewMoon
08-19-2008, 06:01 PM
Jenny - Just playing devil's advocate here.
Obviously there are some ways in which discrimination can be justified. For example, I don't think most people would argue that it is discrimination that we can't enter the bathroom of the opposite sex. Likewise, there are "clubs" such as women's fitness centers that discriminate.
Could a similar argument be made for strip clubs? It is a sexually-oriented business and customers would be uncomfortable with customers of the opposite gender attending just as they would be uncomfortable with the opposite gender invading their bathroom?
Lysondra
08-19-2008, 06:10 PM
What the fuckin' hell?
I shouldn't be allowed to give my hard earned money to strippers just because I have tits and a vag? I have to be escorted by a man? THIS ISN'T PAKISTAN. THIS IS A STRIP CLUB.
I'm sorry, but I'm with Jenny on this. What you guys are talking about is just blatant discrimination.
While we're at it, let's not let the Mexicans in.. after all, they don't tip and they can get grabby. I mean, while we're painting everyone with the same brush, you might as fucking well.
NewMoon
08-19-2008, 06:13 PM
^^^So I guess that's three of us? Phew! I was beginning to think we were back to 1950.
Jenny
08-19-2008, 06:27 PM
Jenny - Just playing devil's advocate here.
Obviously there are some ways in which discrimination can be justified. For example, I don't think most people would argue that it is discrimination that we can't enter the bathroom of the opposite sex. Likewise, there are "clubs" such as women's fitness centers that discriminate.
Could a similar argument be made for strip clubs? It is a sexually-oriented business and customers would be uncomfortable with customers of the opposite gender attending just as they would be uncomfortable with the opposite gender invading their bathroom?
I doubt it.
Bathrooms would be a hygiene exception; I would suspect that that exception would generally be built into human rights codes. Gyms would likely be the same. You are generally allowed to segregate things like spas, massage parlours, saunas and what not. I think it would be hard to say that strip clubs require segregation for the purpose of hygiene - I mean, it's a bar - and I can't imagine that business owners can generally appeal that their other customers really want them to discriminate. Like "my other customers feel a lot more comfortable buying their shoes if there isn't a black man in the store; I'm not prejudiced - they are" has not historically been a compelling argument. As well, you have to keep in mind - that argument doesn't really match the facts. It's not the customers, but the staff that is uncomfortable with it.
I think you can skirt illegality by making it an unwelcoming environment; like subject them to the high, strong hustle that guys seem to hate; I think you could get away with upping the drink minimum - like come by every 30 minutes rather than 45 to be all "can I get you something? You have to drink if you want to stay"; obviously they can be subject to the same rules of decorum as men, discourage other dancers from bringing them onstage, and if they start chatting up customers, bouncers can wander over and be all "look, you can't harass the customers here; is everything okay here sir? Are you sure? Positive? All right then, let me know". Like if you essentially try to kill what they (the unpleasant groups) like about it - a cheap, rowdy night out for them with a high attention factor, they will stop coming back.
And thank you ladies - I'm on board with the "I hate it, it is inconvenient, how obnoxious" train as much as anyone else, but what happened to us being all savvy, empowered and forward thinking? We're strippers, for god's sake - we shouldn't be all regressive with the women's rights. And what does it mean that we are willing to let a couple of bitches set back female freedom about 30 years? I mean, there has to be a better way.
Jenny - Just playing devil's advocate here.
Obviously there are some ways in which discrimination can be justified. For example, I don't think most people would argue that it is discrimination that we can't enter the bathroom of the opposite sex. Likewise, there are "clubs" such as women's fitness centers that discriminate.
Could a similar argument be made for strip clubs? It is a sexually-oriented business and customers would be uncomfortable with customers of the opposite gender attending just as they would be uncomfortable with the opposite gender invading their bathroom?
Jenny
08-19-2008, 06:29 PM
So are gay strip clubs allowed to discriminate? Remington's in Toronto will only allow females in on Sundays.
I don't know - I guess that could be ameliorative? Either that or they are just unlawfully discriminating - apparently like quite a few clubs. Want to lodge a complaint? It'll be fun!
NewMoon
08-19-2008, 06:34 PM
Thanks for your reply, Jenny. I think you bring up a great point about discrimination being for the comfort of customers at the gym rather than for the preference of management of a strip club.
Susan Wayward
08-19-2008, 06:35 PM
I think you can skirt illegality by making it an unwelcoming environment; like subject them to the high, strong hustle that guys seem to hate
I support and endorse this tactic. This way they either spend money or leave. Win/win.
kitana
08-19-2008, 06:42 PM
But I'd consider what it might mean to one's character and to society to say that "human rights are all well and good so long as they don't inconvenience me."
I don't want you to have to "consider", I'll tell you exactly what that makes me. Someone that cares more about themselves and their family than anyone else.
Call me cold, bitchy, uncaring, whatever; but that is how I feel, sorry.
We will have to agree to disagree.
Nakita Kash
08-19-2008, 10:30 PM
Yeh I know but STRIPPERS are good customers. Civilian hoes are not.
lately they have been letting big groups of females in and we have to put up with the hating, the dancing near the stage, bitchy shit and them slutting over our customers all night.
Seriously the odd good female custie that comes in is outweighed by all the negative.
I am 100000000% behind you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>:( I heard a great DJ cue while I was at the Pink Pony in Atlanta. He said "ugh, ladies- ONLY the Pink Pony dancers are allowed to dance here...FOR LEGAL PURPOSES, these woman are the only ones allowed to dance at the Pink Pony." I thought that was brilliant because it stopped them dead in their tracks! Not only did they feel like they got busted and called out in front of the whole crowd of people, they thought they would be getting arrested if they continued!
My suggestion is to tip the DJ a couple bucks to try this method the next time?
What ever happened to no women without men rule? Well I guess it doesn't matter anyway. Most women who come in with men are just trying to get attention from their hubby and do so by showing off. Why can't they just come in and observe like men do? Why do they think they can get away with groping us? Women treat me much more disrespectful then men do!!!!!!
Susan Wayward
08-20-2008, 02:58 AM
I made $200 on stage tonight from some ladies. It was cool. It made the dudes up their game, too.
I heard a great DJ cue while I was at the Pink Pony in Atlanta. He said "ugh, ladies- ONLY the Pink Pony dancers are allowed to dance here...FOR LEGAL PURPOSES, these woman are the only ones allowed to dance at the Pink Pony." I thought that was brilliant because it stopped them dead in their tracks!
I fucking loved it when he did that! That's the only club I've ever heard that particular DJ line and it. is. awesome.
Dottie Rebel
08-20-2008, 05:35 AM
Sure, we were rowdy as HELL, made out with eachother, and had our belligerently drunk fun
If you behaved this way in my club I would direct a manager's attention to your party. He usually offers a warning and folks calm down. On the off-chance that women are so rowdy and belligerently drunk that they choose to carry on, they would be escorted out. I've seen this play out many times. Perhaps the dancers where you patronize are more tolerant, perhaps they just prefer to ignore you and go about their business. But I will not stand for my club turning into Girls Gone Wild. And neither will our management.
Can I ask, why did you wander into a thread called "I wanna KILL female 'customers'" if you're going to chastise those who are in agreement with the sentiment? Why not just let them have their rant without your flippant "ma'ams" and "chill pills"?
Just because you weren't actively harassing the dancers doesn't mean it's ok to make a spectacle of yourself by making out with other girls and being belligerent. The strip club isn't the right place for that kind of behavior. The attention is supposed to be on the dancers, not the female customers.
Exactly.
Andygirl
08-20-2008, 07:35 AM
Oh, Dottie, you're so argumentative!;D
::)
I just think dancers who feel this way will just have to keep dealing with it.
Female customers are only going to increase in numbers as the next generations of SC customers are going to be more diverse then the days of when it was just rich dirty old white men.
I'm sure when POC 1st went to SCs they were not welcomed, but hey it happened anyways and it's going to keep happening as long as money is green nomatter who the customer is.
Do you know that they are making pink baseball bats, gloves, soccer balls..ect ..ect because nowadays they are trying to encourage girls to embrace anything they desire and can cash in on. So don't be shocked when they they walk into the SC as customers.
As a dancer and a female customer myself I say go ahead and rant and hate all you want here, but talk 2 me like that if I show up at yr club wanting to tip you a dollar and you bet management won't want to hear it. Respect goes both ways and it's just lame to judge all female customers based on yr past with a few.
I deal with alot of BS as a dancer because it comes with the job, but at the end of the day I don't care enough to hate "this or that" type of customer. I just take the good with the bad and make my money off those that treat me right and ingore those that I don't want to deal with. It's really as simple as that if you don't like female customers then ingore them--walk right by just like I do the cheap grappy feely guys that are just as bad as the cheap grappy feely girls.
kaiarose
08-20-2008, 10:18 AM
I just think dancers who feel this way will just have to keep dealing with it.
Female customers are only going to increase in numbers as the next generations of SC customers are going to be more diverse then the days of when it was just rich dirty old white men.
I'm sure when POC 1st went to SCs they were not welcomed, but hey it happened anyways and it's going to keep happening as long as money is green nomatter who the customer is.
Do you know that they are making pink baseball bats, gloves, soccer balls..ect ..ect because nowadays they are trying to encourage girls to embrace anything they desire and can cash in on. So don't be shocked when they they walk into the SC as customers.
As a dancer and a female customer myself I say go ahead and rant and hate all you want here, but talk 2 me like that if I show up at yr club wanting to tip you a dollar and you bet management won't want to hear it. Respect goes both ways and it's just lame to judge all female customers based on yr past with a few.
I deal with alot of BS as a dancer because it comes with the job, but at the end of the day I don't care enough to hate "this or that" type of customer. I just take the good with the bad and make my money off those that treat me right and ingore those that I don't want to deal with. It's really as simple as that if you don't like female customers then ingore them--walk right by just like I do the cheap grappy feely guys that are just as bad as the cheap grappy feely girls.
If you're tipping and NOT being an asshole then you WON"T get treated like one. We are talking about the bitches that come to OUR work and harass us. Whether it be by sitting at the stage and blatantly calling us names. Or throwing change at our stage. Or cornering us in the fucking bathrooms. Men don't come into the clubs and take the attention away from the girls. SOME Women do. They make out with each other, dance for OUR customers, tell OUR patrons who to NOT get dances from, and just try to out do us altogether. So if you're not one of these women then you really don't have an argument.
If you behaved this way in my club I would direct a manager's attention to your party. He usually offers a warning and folks calm down. On the off-chance that women are so rowdy and belligerently drunk that they choose to carry on, they would be escorted out. I've seen this play out many times. Perhaps the dancers where you patronize are more tolerant, perhaps they just prefer to ignore you and go about their business. But I will not stand for my club turning into Girls Gone Wild. And neither will our management.
Can I ask, why did you wander into a thread called "I wanna KILL female 'customers'" if you're going to chastise those who are in agreement with the sentiment? Why not just let them have their rant without your flippant "ma'ams" and "chill pills"?
FORFUCKINGFUCKSSAKE. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "belligerent." Was that too sensitive of a word for everybody? ::) Whatever, this is like beating a dead horse. Rant away all you want, things aren't going to change as long as there are good-spending non-harassing female custies out there. Deal with it.
...And I can "wander" into any thread I wish to and post. Especially when I can see BOTH sides of the story.
NewMoon
08-20-2008, 10:36 AM
If you're tipping and NOT being an asshole then you WON"T get treated like one. We are talking about the bitches that come to OUR work and harass us. Whether it be by sitting at the stage and blatantly calling us names. Or throwing change at our stage. Or cornering us in the fucking bathrooms. Men don't come into the clubs and take the attention away from the girls. SOME Women do. They make out with each other, dance for OUR customers, tell OUR patrons who to NOT get dances from, and just try to out do us altogether. So if you're not one of these women then you really don't have an argument.
It is an argument against blatant discrimination towards all women.
kaiarose
08-20-2008, 10:42 AM
NOT all women. Did you read what I wrote?! We're against THE women that come into our workplace and harass us. You may say that we get harassed by men but that is a different argument. We shouldn't have to put up with this kind of behavior from women when it's a gentlemen's club and they shouldn't be in there anyways. I however. have no problem with the women that are respectful. Honestly, you can tell the good eggs from the bad eggs as soon as they walk in the door. I think the doorman should have some sort of idea of who's going to be respectful and who's not. The ones Not going to be respectful shouldn't be allowed in. Seriously, if a woman isn't interested in other women sexually, then she shouldn't be coming to a stripclub in the first place. What's the point? It's the women that aren't interested in other women that cause all the fucking drama.
Dottie Rebel
08-20-2008, 11:21 AM
FORFUCKINGFUCKSSAKE. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "belligerent." Was that too sensitive of a word for everybody? ::) Whatever, this is like beating a dead horse. Rant away all you want, things aren't going to change as long as there are good-spending non-harassing female custies out there. Deal with it.
...And I can "wander" into any thread I wish to and post. Especially when I can see BOTH sides of the story.
Right on, Aish. ;)
Teehee.
txchick008
08-20-2008, 11:28 AM
Like I've said a zillion times, I was a female custy for the longest time before I became a dancer, and my friends and I NEVER acted the way these girls do. Sure, we were rowdy as HELL, made out with eachother, and had our belligerently drunk fun--but we NEVER harassed the strippers AND we spent loads of ca$h. Once again, the women who act this way are just plain ol' jealous and insecure.
Mily - I hear ya.
I can see both sides these days. I was also guilty of going into SC's in loud, annoying coed groups back in the day. I remember a night at the Lodge in particular, when my smokin' hot model friend and I started making out and had the whole club staring. We were of course just trying to rile up our guy friends and eat up all the attention. How rude. :-\
We were young, dumb, and drunk off our ass most of the time. Now that I'm older and wiser , I am embarrassed to have acted that way.
Also - now that I dance, I can see how annoying that must have been to the dancers, and most definitely would never carry on like that again. I think a lot of these girls in the clubs are just as clueless about SC etiquette as I was. It doesn't excuse their behavior or anything, but I can say I have been there, so I somewhat understand.
Perhaps what they NEED are some dancers to tell them what's up! I know it would have scared me shitless back in the day, if even one of the dancers were to get in my face and let me know that what I was doing, was unacceptable. :O
Optimist
08-20-2008, 12:07 PM
I'm sure when POC 1st went to SCs they were not welcomed, but hey it happened anyways and it's going to keep happening as long as money is green nomatter who the customer is.
As a dancer and a female customer myself I say go ahead and rant and hate all you want here, but talk 2 me like that if I show up at yr club wanting to tip you a dollar and you bet management won't want to hear it. Respect goes both ways and it's just lame to judge all female customers based on yr past with a few.
Here's the difference, people of color really means men of color and with them you have a good shot at making money. Women of any color more often than not are coming to harrass and annoy and moneyblock the girls. These complaints aren't about the actions of a few but an increasing majority. Your experience is not ours.
Dixie_Vancouver
08-20-2008, 02:42 PM
I'm so glad I've read this thread (and others similar to it). :D
I'm going to the strip club for the first time this weekend and I pinkie swear to all of you that I will keep my top on, tip lots and direct any man who tries to talk to me to the nearest dancer.
On the subject of prohibiting women from entering, though, one thing that I read on here (and main reason I'm going to the club!) is that before auditioning, it's a good idea to go in and scope out the club, talk to the dancers, etc. I'd be pretty disappointed if they wouldn't let me in when all I was trying to do was get a feel for the place. I know that's not the kind of customer this thread was about, but I just wanted to throw in a different perspective.
Some of these girls sound like seriously obnoxious bitches though. :( Hopefully, jaizaine, your management will hear ya on that letter!!
Here's the difference, people of color really means men of color and with them you have a good shot at making money. Women of any color more often than not are coming to harrass and annoy and moneyblock the girls. These complaints aren't about the actions of a few but an increasing majority. Your experience is not ours.
Ofcourse my experience is definately different from others. I honestly always feel I have a chance of making money off any customer that walks in that is willing and that sex or race or what thier type is does not affect my game or what I'm going to make. I take the same chances with every customer and as long as the money is green and coming my way I work them if not I just walk away.
My experience however is female customers have by far been better customers of mine then lets say Mexicans who generally speaking at my club are cheap,rude, feel they can grap whatever they like, and rarely tip (all the same complaints more or less and they get drunk and act stupid 2). Infact I happen to make good money off female customers becuz obviously i'm approachible to them(not just becuz I'm gay) as I'm not attracted to most of them and many customers don't see me as gay at all when I'm in stripper mode. I'm read generally as bi just like most other dancers to many that just believe most dancers/women are bi which I would say in my club happens to be true.
Anyhow back to the Mexicans I don't treat them all like they are the same or hate them or want to ban them. I just don't deal with the rude 1's and walk away when I see those. Just like any other customer that acts that way.
I'm all for people getting kicked out and told never to come back when they have earned it and if it was up to me any man, woman ect...person at the club that just was bad to the dancers would be out the doors for it however if my manager makes me put up w/ that from the bosses yuppie spoiled son and friends who come in never spend a dime and look down at us like we are thiers personal whores and any other guy that buys a beer then I'm going to have to say that it's wack to act like women are the worst customers and not even allow any in the club. However that would never happen at my club becuz thier policies are never turn down a dollar and they even considered having a lesbian nite because there are a few major lesbian clubs that are considering choicing my club for 1 of thier events. Something I was really happy to find out about even if it's just talk for now.
I do think thier are issues that make it uncomfromible on both sides.
Many women are not used to paying for attention, or really anything at a club. So you have to remind them it's not a dance club and tipping is how it works at a SC for every1.
Many women are generally more critical on other women and themsleves.
The female competion thing were they act on insecurity and such when they feel threated by the attention given to other women so they have to steal the spotlight.
Homophobia or sexism --which trust me when I go to SC I do get the evil eye just for being queer or a woman and I know it and still I'll tip unless the dancer ran away from me in whice case fine with me.
I also think most dancers don't play thier Agame for other women or just have 1 geared to men.
Whatever I could go on, but I see it as socail adjustment that are unavoidible at a SC. Exspecailly now with Woman's lib and Gay rights making changes. However uncomfrontible this is at the SC level. I however still love going and plan to continue. My (mixed group)of friends and I always hit Lipstixs, Stirs, AlleyCat, BTs and sometimes Tootsies/Scarlettes so as we always have a goodtime and treat the staff well--aside from the few times I got kicked out for making out w/ my super hott date that I felt was wronge of them cuz I was still there spending money and if the customers got worked up it was not like they had any chance getting in the middel of us so they definately benefited from it in my book. Still that was fine becuz it was probably that time I was wanting to take her home to have my way with her anyways.
britt244
08-20-2008, 05:09 PM
FORFUCKINGFUCKSSAKE. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "belligerent." Was that too sensitive of a word for everybody? ::) Whatever, this is like beating a dead horse. Rant away all you want, things aren't going to change as long as there are good-spending non-harassing female custies out there. Deal with it.
...And I can "wander" into any thread I wish to and post. Especially when I can see BOTH sides of the story.
well, for me, it was the making out with each other part, not your use of the word "belligerent."
Lysondra
08-20-2008, 05:15 PM
NOT all women. Did you read what I wrote?! We're against THE women that come into our workplace and harass us. You may say that we get harassed by men but that is a different argument. We shouldn't have to put up with this kind of behavior from women when it's a gentlemen's club and they shouldn't be in there anyways. I however. have no problem with the women that are respectful. Honestly, you can tell the good eggs from the bad eggs as soon as they walk in the door. I think the doorman should have some sort of idea of who's going to be respectful and who's not. The ones Not going to be respectful shouldn't be allowed in. Seriously, if a woman isn't interested in other women sexually, then she shouldn't be coming to a stripclub in the first place. What's the point? It's the women that aren't interested in other women that cause all the fucking drama.
I don't think anyone was arguing with YOU. There are many posts here that say NO woman should be in a strip club or they should be accompanied by men... because of course women are 12 and need a man to watch them like a puppy.
kaiarose
08-20-2008, 06:38 PM
It's a shame that the bad ones have to ruin it for everyone else.
Ruby Ruckus
08-20-2008, 07:00 PM
i love female customers. i make better money off women a lot of nights than i do off the men!
that being said, when girls are coming in and being shitty/shady, it totally gets on my nerves, but there's nothing that says $$$$ to me quite like a young couple in my club.
jaizaine
08-20-2008, 07:54 PM
I just think dancers who feel this way will just have to keep dealing with it.
Thank you this is obvious.
As a dancer and a female customer myself I say go ahead and rant and hate all you want here, but talk 2 me like that if I show up at yr club wanting to tip you a dollar and you bet management won't want to hear it. Respect goes both ways and it's just lame to judge all female customers based on yr past with a few.
look call it lame i realy couldnt care less. it's not based on a FEW did u even read the posts I made, it's out of hand and it's increasing.
if thats not your experience good for you darling then u have nothing to complain about. i would love someone like u to come to my club and complain. im well respected by management so u can bet they wouldnt listen to a complaint from one pissed off chick. not to mention that if you're a chick in my club you will get 0 attn from me so unless u are outwardly rude to me then u wont have to deal with me. if you are rude then watch out u will not like my response.
i will rant and hate as this thread was started for that purpose. read the title ::)
I deal with alot of BS as a dancer because it comes with the job, but at the end of the day I don't care enough to hate "this or that" type of customer. I just take the good with the bad and make my money off those that treat me right and ingore those that I don't want to deal with. It's really as simple as that if you don't like female customers then ingore them--walk right by just like I do the cheap grappy feely guys that are just as bad as the cheap grappy feely girls.
Um not it's not as simple as ignoring them when they are being loud, attening whoring assholes. sometimes it's impossible to ignore. don't tell me how to react. if u dont like the topic of this thread then get out and start one where u can talk about how you love female customers and how awesome u think they are. have fun.
[quote=jaizaine;1673671]Thank you this is obvious.
look call it lame i realy couldnt care less. it's not based on a FEW did u even read the posts I made, it's out of hand and it's increasing.if thats not your experience good for you darling then u have nothing to complain about. i would love someone like u to come to my club and complain. im well respected by management so u can bet they wouldnt listen to a complaint from one pissed off chick. not to mention that if you're a chick in my club you will get 0 attn from me so unless u are outwardly rude to me then u wont have to deal with me. if you are rude then watch out u will not like my response.
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Well I would only complain if you were being rude to me as a customer which no manager wants to hear, but if I was at yr club how sure are u that you wouldn't want my money??? It's green just like the next customers. That's ok I guess some other dancer would have to take my money since it's below you to come ask for a tip and befriendly and play sexy to "some1 like me"
Some1 like me??? What does that mean BTW?? You don't know me so I don't know who to take that, but I'll tell you some1 like me is hardly some1 you could stereotype.
Anyhow I'm free to feel like I do and post about it as so are you, but how it benefit you in any ways to carry such a stronge negative belief.
Obviously without even knowing me you already managed to let me know it would be a waste of time to try and tip you and so why are you surprised with that sells approach/mentally that these female customers treat you the way they do???
It is a 2way street and putting out negative engery only attracts that to you.
My ex for example hated living in Miami as the only real white blonde blue eyed girl in her head and according to her all the hispanics went out of thier way to be rude to her. Anyhow I'm Hispanic, but it didn't matter to her even though many the Hispanics we knew tried to include her and befriend her as most my family and our friends surely did. No the only things she would base Hispanics being rude to her was the strangers who cut her off in traffic or in a line and really it would always happen to her and I really felt she attracted this rudeness becuz in her mind she has such issues with it. Any1 else would just have been pissed about rude drivers or people at the store, but with her it was always about the Hispanics against her. I told her living in Miami made it ez to blame the Hispanics for everything in her life that goes wronge, but if she ever moved to middel America who then would she have to blame.
jaizaine
08-20-2008, 09:00 PM
^^^
I wouldnt approach u for a dance coz i dont waste time approaching females coz I know ill make more from males. I do dance for females if they ask me for a dance and I am nice to them because the ones who come and ask for dances are the ones who are getting into the mood of the strip club. The problem I have is with girls who come there to be haters and try to take attn away from the performers.
Im not saying I am above asking for tips. My club is not a tipping club like it is in the US so we dont approach for tips when on podium we just sell either table or private dances. If Im going to approach a customer for a dance it's obviously in my interests to approach the customer who I think is going to be worth the most money to me. i know the type of customers who will be really into me and keep spending. I have enjoyed dancing for women in the past but they generally only buy one dance. I can get a guy to stay with me for ages $$$
I welcome other opinions but to tell me that im letting the behaviour of a few change my opinion is incorrect. It is not a FEW. the whole reason i made the thread is because it's getting to a ridiculous point and im frustrated with it.
Btw it's not only me at my club who gets treated this way by female customers so it has nothing to do with whatever negativity you think i portray. these bitches come in with an agenda already.
hot4ablackchick
08-20-2008, 09:05 PM
I totally agree about the women and I sympathize with you Jaiz. The women we get are usually rude, cheap, and just there to get the attention of the guys. The amount of money I have made from female custies does NOT in any way compare to the money NOT spent on dancers. They usually tip poorly, if at all, make out with each other, give lapdances to other patrons/BF's/Friends, dance around to all the cool hippity hop songs that come on, and are fucking CHEAP. The handful of times that me or other coworkers have made any money/tips from females is not sufficient enough to let them in unescorted by a male, although I am tired of the BYOB (bring your own bitch) nights as well. I honestly wouldn't mind to see an outright ban on women at my club. Though couples are generally a lot less of a headache and less cheap than groups of women.
I love going to strip clubs too, but I am the exception, not the majority. I tip very well, encourage my hubby to get dances, I will get a dance even though I really don't enjoy them, and I am always polite and NEVER take away from the dancers. I don't even like when the dancers try to take out my boobs, because I dont want to detract from their show. Dancers typically make decent customers, but regular chicks hell no.
I'll take the flames too. FUCK FEMALE CUSTOMERS.
jaizaine
08-20-2008, 09:07 PM
^
YEY FUCK EM!! ;D
I enjoy going as a customer too but i agree, dancers make good customers coz we know what it's like to be on the other side.
hot4ablackchick
08-20-2008, 09:44 PM
And we are not talking women's right to vote here, we are talking about the damn titty bar::) . Bars are different from other establishments. There are female only bars/gyms in my area. There are 25 and up, 30 and up, and even places (clubs/bars) where you have to be 35 to get in. Bars choose to do this because they beleive it makes the older patrons more comfy, gives the older crowd a place to relax without "kids" running around, and they think it cuts down on the riff raff. Bars are known for letting in more attractive people first and in for free. Gyms that are 'women only' do so, so that women will feel more comfy working out without having to worry getting hit on by males, what they look like, guys gawking at them in their outfits and so on. Its really more of a comfort factor as to why these businesses "discriminate" against men. Women in the strip clubs make the dancers uncomfortable and distract the men from paying and watching the dancers. Its really that simple, and if women rock in your area then good for you, but at my club they are cheap, distracting assholes giving their boyfriend a lapdance in his chair>:( . SC's need to eliminate "women/couples get in free or discounted" as well. Why give people who typically spend less a break?!??!! Women unescorted should have to behave in a respectable manner, just as the patrons, and should be subject to a higher cover to discourage them from coming in. Hey if they have to pay a $35 or more cover and buy 1 or 2 drinks, it may deter them from coming in and being cheap jackasses. I think ALL women, escorted or not should have to pay a higher fee. For my area it should $20 escorted, $35 unescorted. I would GLADLY pay that as a customer to eliminate the headache. A club in my area charges those under 21 $35 for entry, while $10-$15 for over 21 customers. Should be the same for the damn women.
britt244
08-20-2008, 09:49 PM
^ i didnt think of that point that there are women only gyms. i'm glad you brought that up.
also though.. most women pay less to get in to clubs.
jaizaine
08-20-2008, 10:02 PM
And we are not talking women's right to vote here, we are talking about the damn titty bar::) . Bars are different from other establishments. There are female only bars/gyms in my area. There are 25 and up, 30 and up, and even places (clubs/bars) where you have to be 35 to get in. Bars choose to do this because they beleive it makes the older patrons more comfy, gives the older crowd a place to relax without "kids" running around, and they think it cuts down on the riff raff. Bars are known for letting in more attractive people first and in for free. Gyms that are 'women only' do so, so that women will feel more comfy working out without having to worry getting hit on by males, what they look like, guys gawking at them in their outfits and so on. Its really more of a comfort factor as to why these businesses "discriminate" against men. Women in the strip clubs make the dancers uncomfortable and distract the men from paying and watching the dancers. Its really that simple, and if women rock in your area then good for you, but at my club they are cheap, distracting assholes giving their boyfriend a lapdance in his chair>:( . SC's need to eliminate "women/couples get in free or discounted" as well. Why give people who typically spend less a break?!??!! Women unescorted should have to behave in a respectable manner, just as the patrons, and should be subject to a higher cover to discourage them from coming in. Hey if they have to pay a $35 or more cover and buy 1 or 2 drinks, it may deter them from coming in and being cheap jackasses. I think ALL women, escorted or not should have to pay a higher fee. For my area it should $20 escorted, $35 unescorted. I would GLADLY pay that as a customer to eliminate the headache. A club in my area charges those under 21 $35 for entry, while $10-$15 for over 21 customers. Should be the same for the damn women.
Excellent post!! Great point about the women's only gyms. I hate the how female customers feel entitled to things:
- they think they should get in free coz they are women
- they think they can touch us (some do anyway) coz they are women
The owner of my club also owns a second club nearby that has an over 21 policy. Legal drinking age in Australia is 18 so it has nothing to do with alcohol it's to do with the type of customer that they want to let in.
hot4ablackchick
08-20-2008, 10:45 PM
^^^Exactly!!^^^ Female customers ask for free shit FAR more than males do at my club as well. I will be soooo glad when the woman in SC fad ends.
sexy_celeste
08-21-2008, 05:13 AM
Couples who have sex in the mens toilets steal money from the girls.
Every frickin week at my old club
hot4ablackchick
08-25-2008, 03:05 AM
Just on Saturday, we had a chick come in with two other girls (one of them used to work there). She started grinding all over this customer and he started touching her and actually stuck his hand up her skirt. We actually saw him hand her $20. The bouncer was called over and she was told to stop and she was spoken to by the manager. She left right after that. I am so for ending unescorted females in the club. I did make money off of 2 couples, but one of the females touched my vagina. I am getting tired of women.
Rockell
08-25-2008, 07:42 AM
I think I am hands down the number 1 female custy hating dancer at my club lol. On Fridays and Saturdays after 2 a.m. the club is FULL of drunk females dancing at the stage--thankfully they are not allowed to actually get on it! And I hate it when they barge in the dressing room to use the bathroom and then camp out in there asking us dumb questions, or worse, puking all over the damn place. A girl at my club was actually physically assaulted pretty badly a few weeks ago by a fat, drunk, female customer in a CR because the dumb bitch got jealous. The police were called and a report was made, I hope the dancer presses charges.
jaizaine
08-25-2008, 07:54 AM
^^
they are allowed in your DR?? that's outrageous!!!