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xdamage
09-21-2008, 05:25 PM
...I love men--and I think the majority are awesome people--but after seeing the variety of men who come into strip clubs, I do develop different attitudes about them. Now when I see a 70 year old man walking down the street, I am much more aware of him as a sexual being, for example...

This is an area where I think the Dutch are ahead of us by a generation or two. Our society shields children from the fact that adults are sexual, teaches them that sex is "icky", and other puritanical driven lies about human nature, and then suddenly people are surprised to learn that even Grandpa looks upon hot young women and has sexual desires. Really it should be a "duh" but the shock people go through in learning the truth after being raised with such large lies about our human nature can be traumatic.

charlie61
09-21-2008, 05:29 PM
This is an area where I think the Dutch are ahead of us by a generation or two. Our society shields children from the fact that adults are sexual, teaches them that sex is "icky", and other puritanical driven lies about human nature, and then suddenly people are surprised to learn that even Grandpa looks upon hot young women and has sexual desires. Really it should be a "duh" but the shock people go through in learning the truth after being raised with such large lies about our human nature can be traumatic.

Agreed. It should just be common sense. It's easier to be in denial. :)

mediocrity
09-22-2008, 01:33 AM
See, this is what made it seem like you were generalizing your categories. Makes it seem like you have this insight into the "stages" we go through...or something. So if I seemed defensive, that's why.

Exactly why I took offense. It came across as a living room psychologist POV.

cadenceq
09-22-2008, 05:03 AM
It's because they're perverts who believe we're like prostitutes.

They see a young body and believe they own it for that time that they have payed for. They are honestly arrogant old men who think they have a right to touch a young body, they don't get to do this in their daily life (despite the fact that they feel entitled to it), and so they come to a stip club to fulfil that need and boost their own ego.

If only all the old perverts would realise that they're disgusting and thus don't have a right to young bodies, regardless of how much they've paid, we'd all be better off.

I'm in a no-contact club and so many men push the boundary. When they've been confronted, they always reply " I paid for this". To them, we are an object for their pleasure.

charlie61
09-22-2008, 02:06 PM
It's because they're perverts who believe we're like prostitutes.

They see a young body and believe they own it for that time that they have payed for. They are honestly arrogant old men who think they have a right to touch a young body, they don't get to do this in their daily life (despite the fact that they feel entitled to it), and so they come to a stip club to fulfil that need and boost their own ego.

If only all the old perverts would realise that they're disgusting and thus don't have a right to young bodies, regardless of how much they've paid, we'd all be better off.

I'm in a no-contact club and so many men push the boundary. When they've been confronted, they always reply " I paid for this". To them, we are an object for their pleasure.

Heh heh. Looks like we have one strong vote for the "ultimate in objectification" option. Or possibly just a really, really angry stripper. :O ...;)

xdamage
09-22-2008, 04:49 PM
I'm as surprised to learn that old men lust after younger women as I am to learn that women like sex. Which is to say not at all. I do know some people say it is disgusting, old men are pervs, women are sluts/whores, but this to me is just human nature. You can either chill and accept human nature for what it is, or angst about it and buy into the social myth of the day.

Understandably hard to do when one is raised with a lie about human nature. It is hard to change one's mind when the reality becomes apparent as adults, but really, any honest guy can tell you that his sexual desires are full of all manor of things that society has taught us is bad, evil, icky, nasty, etc.

But I bet if people are honest, their own minds are full of all manor of sexual thoughts that society as a whole would not approve of, and for those who are young, they will be surprised that the fantasies and sexual thoughts don't just stop just because you grew up. Sure, sometimes people sexual hormones shut-down, but after a lifetime of being a sexual being, it doesn't just turn off because a few years passed.

Golden_Rule
09-24-2008, 11:06 PM
See, this is what made it seem like you were generalizing your categories. Makes it seem like you have this insight into the "stages" we go through...or something. So if I seemed defensive, that's why.

Sorry.

Some dancers...

And when it takes place because of those reasons, as I have noted from my own observations AND from comments made to me by the dancers in question themselves, it seems to follow those steps.

I hope I am clearer on what I meant now?

Golden_Rule
09-24-2008, 11:12 PM
And these parts are why I got defensive about dancers' sexual preferences. You make it sound like strippers hate men, therefore they become gay/bisexual. Which is a pretty offensive thing to say. And you make it sound like you've known sooo many dancers who have reverted back to being straight after dancing. Shrugs.

Charlie, SOME sex workers do hate men. They hate men directly from having become involved in sex work [though perhaps some carried issues of that nature into before hand].

Dancers are no exception to this. You here some of them say as much on these very pages. Take a look about, you'll see it for yourself.

Men who see sex workers, including dancers, who don't keep in mind that they may very well bump into women who don't think very highly aren't practicing due diligence.

The reason is because it is easier for some people [I said some] to take advantage of people they don't like. In fact some people use the fact that someone is unlikeable to them as the very rational they need to take advantage of them.

And yes, I do realize that can work both ways. There are plenty of customers that aren't crazy about dancers who use that as an excuse to treat them poorly.

It is wrong either way, but it happens.

Golden_Rule
09-24-2008, 11:34 PM
I'm as surprised to learn that old men lust after younger women as I am to learn that women like sex. Which is to say not at all. I do know some people say it is disgusting, old men are pervs, women are sluts/whores, but this to me is just human nature. You can either chill and accept human nature for what it is, or angst about it and buy into the social myth of the day.

You'd be absolutely right if we were talking about a totally healthy, psychologically normal, environment. Which I totally agree there is no reason the strip-club can't be.

The fact is though that strip-clubs can be, for any number of reasons, havens of abnormal psychologies and all that brings to bare on the circumstances taking place. Including guys who think it is OK to manhandle dancers because they paid for a dance, and dancers who think its OK to rip off customers because SOME of them are pigs.

It would be nice, very nice actually, if our best selves were at the heart of all this business. Pretty women are just that, and admiring them for their beauty isn't a bad thing. Wanting to touch isn't a bad thing. Touching, with permission, certainly isn't a bad thing.

As I have suggested, and said out right, it is the negativity brought into the S-C environment from all sides [management, dancers, customers, out side influences like public condemnation] that causes it to be what it sometimes becomes. Not that I think there is an easy way to escape that. It is what it is. Still, if that negativity could be subtracted... but I'm the one who says its dangerous to purchase into fantasies and since that is never going to happen... /:O :(

Otoki
09-25-2008, 04:23 PM
^^ Not me. It means I'm in in combat mode!

"Here comes a hand! *Change positions* Now he's trying to lick! *Flip hair in front of his face* Another hand! *Pin it down and giggle* AHHH! Another hand!! *Drop down to knees* Noooo! Now the first hand is free again!!"

Turns the dance into something not fun for either of us. Honestly, if a guy is nice and not grabby, I'll put his hand on my waist myself as a reward. That, and he's earned my trust not to pull shit so we both have a much better time. Dude will probably even get an appreciative peck on the cheek for being the 1 out 5 customers who was a gentleman.
This post is fucking hilarious. It's exactly what goes through my mind. EVASIVE ACTION!! EVASIVE ACTION!!

xdamage
09-25-2008, 05:05 PM
You'd be absolutely right if we were talking about a totally healthy, psychologically normal, environment....

The fact is though that strip-clubs can be, for any number of reasons, havens of abnormal psychologies and all that brings to bare on the circumstances taking place. Including guys who think it is OK to manhandle dancers because they paid for a dance, and dancers who think its OK to rip off customers because SOME of them are pigs. ...

Oh I agree. The reality is we are dealing with human beings here and they are not entirely reliable. And to some degree it is risky playing a fantasy game with other humans.

Women on the street don't walk up to complete strangers and act sexually interested. The behavior in the club is abnormal. Some men cope fine just like some cope fine with gambling or drug use or other vices, but clearly some do not.

The thing is ultimately it is people dealing with people. And I think this is another human nature matter. To me people can be dangerous even if you send them clear messages. But strippers send opposite messages from what they would send in RL.

How many more guys must pass through SW with 'does she really like me??' posts or 'I fell in love with a stripper' before we can admit that some human males do confuse reality with fantasy?

To me when it comes to matters of sexuality, and related emotions, we are dealing with multi-hundred million year old genetic drives and response. This is some dangerous fire to be playing with. Shocking to learn that not all men can handle the difference between reality and fantasy.

Still it goes both ways. Just as some women are shocked to learn that men can be sexually vile below the surface, some men can't cope with the reality that women can fake emotions for money. Some men look upon that as it's own kind of human vile behavior. Their fantasy that humans are all sweet and nice and kind shattered. They may lash out at women in general in response because they feel women are not living up to their childhood idealization.

charlie61
09-25-2008, 05:22 PM
Still it goes both ways. Just as some women are shocked to learn that men can be sexually vile below the surface, some men can't cope with the reality that women can fake emotions for money. Some men look upon that as it's own kind of human vile behavior. Their fantasy that humans are all sweet and nice and kind shattered. They may lash out at women in general in response because they feel women are not living up to their childhood idealization.

Woah...I think it's so cool that you mention this.

I identify as bisexual, but I've never had sex (with either men or women). That being said, I was just realizing the other day how absolutely petrified I'd be to have sex with a woman. Why? Because I've witnessed many-a-time first-hand (yes, because of my job) just how good women are at faking enjoyment. I'm not dissin' mah ladies or anything...but I've given many a "sexy, girl-on-girl double dance" where even though I absolutely knew the other stripper was 100% acting, she totally looked like she was loving it. Gave me a real dose of how customers must feel. Thank you for reminding me of this.

whitelight97402
09-25-2008, 05:35 PM
Thanks for these great posts Charlie, they have been so insightful!

As far as myself,

If you are talking about the desire to ‘grope’ at a dancer or even a girl in general, I don’t have that impulse and it makes me mad when I see dudes try and grab at a dancer, not my style.

Now, if you are talking about the impulse to touch a dancer during an ld then the urge is absolutely there, it is strong and it sucks. In fact, it is a big reason why I rarely get dances. Don’t get me wrong, I am respectful and I always either sit on my hands or put them up on the couch, yet basically, I walk away from dances feeling like a dumb shit. It has something to do with it being so one sided.

I dunno, it must be something primal in my makeup or something, but these days I actually get irritated when dancers whom I don’t know try to touch or be physical with me, I move back a step and give the ‘back off’ signal, unless it is a dancer I know OTC or a dancer/escort with whom I have done bookings, that is different.

With dancers who strictly dance, I only want the visual, because anything in between stops being fun. My mongering buddies and I save the real party and dollars for booking with escorts, it so much more satisfying.

Someone mentioned about it messing with your psychology or something it is absolutely true with me. Don’t get me wrong, I love the club and adore most of the dancers who entertain us, I just have this weird thing about not letting anyone touch me whom I can’t touch back.

I have way more fun at the club if I stick strictly with the visual, have a few drinks, tip the stage and shoot the breeze with my mongering buddies.

It is a great question which you asked, I think it is a fundamental component of the intensity of venom on these boards.

xdamage
09-25-2008, 05:39 PM
Woah...I think it's so cool that you mention this.

I identify as bisexual, but I've never had sex (with either men or women). That being said, I was just realizing the other day how absolutely petrified I'd be to have sex with a woman. Why? Because I've witnessed many-a-time first-hand (yes, because of my job) just how good women are at faking enjoyment. I'm not dissin' mah ladies or anything...but I've given many a "sexy, girl-on-girl double dance" where even though I absolutely knew the other stripper was 100% acting, she totally looked like she was loving it. Gave me a real dose of how customers must feel. Thank you for reminding me of this.

Males are often really disturbed by this. But hey we are raised by moms who we are inclined to idealize, taught to believe women are made of sugar and spice and everything nice, and much else. It can be a brutal shock to learn women are people, they have their own wants, and yep, can even fake emotions to get it.

charlie61
09-25-2008, 05:40 PM
^^ Thanks for the input! (whitelight)

I agree about dances being weirdly one-sided. I work in a no-contact club, so even though I don't necessarily want anyone touching me, it's still weird for me to basically be throwing myself at someone during a dance, and they have to sit there and act uninterested! It's just counterintuitive. I actually feel bad for the guys a lot of the time!

It's interesting that you make use of different levels of the sex work industry. Most guys tend to go 100% for strippers or 100% for the full contact escort services. So I think it's cool that you use each environment to fulfill different parts of your wants/desires.

xdamage
09-25-2008, 05:43 PM
Thanks for these great posts Charlie, they have been so insightful!


Yea this is a tough topic that I kept expecting to crash and burn but so far she has been giving us guys a chance to express our POV without letting her thread turn into another customers/men suck thread. I really appreciate it too. I wish more CC threads could tread on such heated ground without exploding in a ball of fire.

whitelight97402
09-25-2008, 05:56 PM
Yea this is a tough topic that I kept expecting to crash and burn but so far she has been giving us guys a chance to express our POV without letting her thread turn into another customers/men suck thread. I really appreciate it too. I wish more CC threads could tread on such heated ground without exploding in a ball of fire.


I soo very much agree, it seems like everything - anything we say gets turned into a 'men are idiots' thread, this so very refreshing.... thankyou

charlie61
09-25-2008, 06:05 PM
Sounds like you guys have been through some serious abuse! I think this discussion has been enlightening for those who are following it. Others seem to view it as the thread that refuses to die. :)

It's probably both. :P

whitelight97402
09-25-2008, 06:06 PM
^^ Thanks for the input! (whitelight)

I agree about dances being weirdly one-sided. I work in a no-contact club, so even though I don't necessarily want anyone touching me, it's still weird for me to basically be throwing myself at someone during a dance, and they have to sit there and act uninterested! It's just counterintuitive. I actually feel bad for the guys a lot of the time!

It's interesting that you make use of different levels of the sex work industry. Most guys tend to go 100% for strippers or 100% for the full contact escort services. So I think it's cool that you use each environment to fulfill different parts of your wants/desires.

my gosh, i'm turning to mush, thanks for getting what i was trying to say... yeah, it is true what you say about alot of guys being 100% stripper or 100% escort, I don't get it myself....

millions_of_peaches
09-25-2008, 10:57 PM
That is pretty ridiculous. I feel the same way when customers come in soliciting us for sex. It's so easy to get and rates for escorts run about $240/hour which is less than a stripper!!!

We recently had a customer come in who dropped about $2000 or more on "dances" and he spent the entirely time telling us "don't dance you will just give me blue balls. I want (insert illegal sex act here)."

He spent $400 on me. I normally hate being solicited for sex but if someone wants to pay me $400 to turn them down, I'll do it }:D

His $2000 could have gotten him an escort for a week or something!!!


Actually, it sounds like that one was getting off on the chase! THAT actually makes sense to me. The ones that will force themselves on me in any fashion, however, even when I am fighting them off, just make me wonder if they think even rape would be ok if it was 'just a stripper'.

Otoki
09-26-2008, 01:20 PM
Actually, it sounds like that one was getting off on the chase! THAT actually makes sense to me. The ones that will force themselves on me in any fashion, however, even when I am fighting them off, just make me wonder if they think even rape would be ok if it was 'just a stripper'.
I've definitely wondered that a few times. I've had guys yank on my arm, trying to get me to sit on their laps when I already told them the rules (we can sit on one leg, but not the crotch area). The intense drive in their eyes to get WHAT THEY WANT, without any regard for the dancer, is chilling. It really makes you wonder what happens when they go on a date and the woman doesn't want to go as far as they do.:yuck:

xdamage
09-26-2008, 01:59 PM
Sounds like you guys have been through some serious abuse!

LOL. Oh I've taken my share of heat, but mostly over on the blue side. ;)

FWIW I don't think all that highly of men or women; nor that negatively. Mostly I just see them trying to survive and see themselves in the best possible light. I do it too, cant help it, I am human.

But you are doing something well here. You are not hearing people's ideas in extremes. You've considered them and not read into our comments black and white extremes we do not say or mean. You also haven't let the conversation devolve into us vs them think. These are both sure fire ways to cause a heated area to crash and burn. Good stuff. Please keep it up. I vote they should consider you for a mod position.

lunchbox
09-26-2008, 02:57 PM
Without having read the thread beyond the first few posts...

I don't pay strangers to worry about what they think. Especially, when I pay a premium price like $20 per 3-5 minutes.

charlie61
09-27-2008, 01:28 AM
Without having read the thread beyond the first few posts...

I don't pay strangers to worry about what they think. Especially, when I pay a premium price like $20 per 3-5 minutes.

Fair enough. A+ for conciseness. :P

charlie61
09-27-2008, 01:29 AM
But you are doing something well here. You are not hearing people's ideas in extremes. You've considered them and not read into our comments black and white extremes we do not say or mean. You also haven't let the conversation devolve into us vs them think. These are both sure fire ways to cause a heated area to crash and burn. Good stuff. Please keep it up. I vote they should consider you for a mod position.

:blush:

Otoki
09-27-2008, 11:20 AM
^^I agree. It's a very sensitive subject, and I think you're thinking about it in a very rational way.

Fenriswolf
10-06-2008, 06:52 PM
Well this conversation has obviously drifted a bit but in my brief experiences as a customer (I'm a young, fairly attractive but not stunning, bisexual woman) I want to touch dancer's thighs/waist when getting a dance because I find them stunning and they feel amazing... but I'm also deeply self-concious about making them uncomfortable. Basically I want them to find it pleasant in as far as me touching them isn't repellant but I hardly expect them to be attracted to me.

I'm inexperienced with women but my, er, OTC experiences with women I have wanted to touch them differently to dancers. I like holding dancer's waists just because I like that feeling - holding and being held around the waist - in general, and I love how dancers are often both muscular and have very smooth skin. Being able to touch a woman's legs when she actually looks like the stereotypical woman you might fantasise about is arousing. Yet I feel really embarrassed about being aroused so gah I don't know!

charlie61
10-07-2008, 05:37 AM
Well this conversation has obviously drifted a bit but in my brief experiences as a customer (I'm a young, fairly attractive but not stunning, bisexual woman) I want to touch dancer's thighs/waist when getting a dance because I find them stunning and they feel amazing... but I'm also deeply self-concious about making them uncomfortable. Basically I want them to find it pleasant in as far as me touching them isn't repellant but I hardly expect them to be attracted to me.

I'm inexperienced with women but my, er, OTC experiences with women I have wanted to touch them differently to dancers. I like holding dancer's waists just because I like that feeling - holding and being held around the waist - in general, and I love how dancers are often both muscular and have very smooth skin. Being able to touch a woman's legs when she actually looks like the stereotypical woman you might fantasise about is arousing. Yet I feel really embarrassed about being aroused so gah I don't know!

Aww...confusion is cute. :P

Fenriswolf
10-07-2008, 12:34 PM
Gah I hate being cute :-[ ;D

Meleania
10-22-2008, 05:04 PM
im a newbie, and ive only gotten 1 lap dance, i was told touching was ok by my friends who went there all the time. also i thought it would be weird to just have my hands by my sides so i did light grazing on her lower back/sides and legs (zomg soft skin) so maybe some just do it to do something with their hands,..
would it be awkward to ask what was ok before the lap dance? the time i went i couldn't hear much of anything being said either because the music was so loud -.-

charlie61
10-22-2008, 05:23 PM
im a newbie, and ive only gotten 1 lap dance, i was told touching was ok by my friends who went there all the time. also i thought it would be weird to just have my hands by my sides so i did light grazing on her lower back/sides and legs (zomg soft skin) so maybe some just do it to do something with their hands,..
would it be awkward to ask what was ok before the lap dance? the time i went i couldn't hear much of anything being said either because the music was so loud -.-

Interesting. Maybe some even do it because they think that's what they're supposed to do (exposure to Hollywood's perception of strip clubs).

I like it. Touching... as the least awkward thing to do during a lap dance. :)

Otoki
10-23-2008, 01:33 AM
im a newbie, and ive only gotten 1 lap dance, i was told touching was ok by my friends who went there all the time. also i thought it would be weird to just have my hands by my sides so i did light grazing on her lower back/sides and legs (zomg soft skin) so maybe some just do it to do something with their hands,..
would it be awkward to ask what was ok before the lap dance? the time i went i couldn't hear much of anything being said either because the music was so loud -.-
Next time, ask. "Friends" boast to each other about how far they've gone in strip clubs, too. It doesn't make it true. Asking is always the best policy. And it's not awkward. It's very polite.

liqidvenom
10-26-2008, 12:14 PM
ive only read the first page of this thread so if someone said this already then just ignore me.

I find some of the comments to be a bit odd if i can be honest. I fully understand 100% if you dont want someone touching me ( i would find it wierd as well if some random dude put his hands on my body), but during a lap dance ( esp the fully nude ones we have here) you are putting your body all over another person. It presents an odd situation for a guy/girl that is getting the lap dance.
1) you come into the club fully understanding that this is a false reality and this girls are ACTING to like you
2) the girls normal keep alot of distance from you while they do their work ( unless they come to you or wish to talk/sit with you etc.)

But during a lap dance ( at least the ones i have gotten) a fully nude girl is rubbing her entire body all over you, breast on your face, ass on your chest and you sit there keeping you hands to yourself.

Some girls dance for me and i keep calm and never even consider touching them, and for some reason other girls just click something within me and I straight forget that they are just doing their job ( which is to pretend to like me while touching me). But i never touch anyone since it just isnt allowed, but that doesnt mean i wouldnt like to touch some of the few.

but look at it from the other side. you are a guy at a club watching a girl on stage. You arent allowed to touch her when shes on stage, nor when shes walking around and thats fully understood. but when she starts putting her body all over you some guys just have a hard time being touched and not touching back (regardless if you want to be touched). It isnt right but it isnt to hard to understand

just my .02

charlie61
10-26-2008, 03:25 PM
^^

This has been addressed...

I often comment during my dances (I work at a no-contact club) that it feels weird for me to be dancing erotically for someone, and they basically have to sit there and act like they don't want to touch me. It's a really unusual situation.

You did, however, miss the complex aspect of the thread--understandable since you only read the first page. Don' worry 'bout it though. :) It's not as simple a question as it first appears.

Your answer boils down to: the women are often so good at acting like they want to be touched that you feel a need to touch them. Fair enough. 8)

UtahMike
10-29-2008, 08:54 PM
FWIW: In a club where touching is permitted and it is OK with the dancer, I enjoy touching the dancer.

In a club where the touching is not allowed or the dancer does not like it, I keep my hands at my sides.

I do not enjoy air dances and don't usually bother to go to clubs where that is the only option.

charlie61
10-29-2008, 09:10 PM
FWIW: In a club where touching is permitted and it is OK with the dancer, I enjoy touching the dancer.

In a club where the touching is not allowed or the dancer does not like it, I keep my hands at my sides.

I do not enjoy air dances and don't usually bother to go to clubs where that is the only option.

Yeah...I don't think I'd pay money to get an air dance. Even if the girl were really super hot...I don't know. Too much money for too little. That probably sounds terrible, especially coming from me (I make bank off of giving air dances), but that's just how it is.

liqidvenom
10-29-2008, 09:46 PM
FWIW: In a club where touching is permitted and it is OK with the dancer, I enjoy touching the dancer.

In a club where the touching is not allowed or the dancer does not like it, I keep my hands at my sides.

I do not enjoy air dances and don't usually bother to go to clubs where that is the only option.
i dont think i have ever seen a chick that hot where i would pay for an air dance.

i also wouldnt go to a sc where the girls didnt get full nude if it was up to me.

but i was at a club in nyc and the girl was dancing for me and i kept my hands to my sides since i was told this was a no touching club. she then stopped and asked why i didnt find her attractive and seemed uninterested in her. to make a long story short since i sat there and didnt put my hands on her she figured i didnt like her. she then took my hands and put them on her body and continued to dance.

hockeybobby
10-29-2008, 09:48 PM
She felt soooo good today. She always feels so damn good. ;)

niceguy2100
10-30-2008, 06:33 PM
they encourage me to touch them and tell me it excites them to give me a dance

charlie61
10-31-2008, 06:19 AM
i dont think i have ever seen a chick that hot where i would pay for an air dance.

i also wouldnt go to a sc where the girls didnt get full nude if it was up to me.

but i was at a club in nyc and the girl was dancing for me and i kept my hands to my sides since i was told this was a no touching club. she then stopped and asked why i didnt find her attractive and seemed uninterested in her. to make a long story short since i sat there and didnt put my hands on her she figured i didnt like her. she then took my hands and put them on her body and continued to dance.

Yeah--it happens. I'm thinkin' the guy (you) would be more likely to buy multiple dances if he thinks that the girl is so into it that she wants to be touched. Plus, the stripper knows that you're more likely to buy multiples if you get to touch. Shrugs. Or maybe you got the rare nympho type. :P

charlie61
10-31-2008, 06:20 AM
She felt soooo good today. She always feels so damn good. ;)

Good fieldwork, HB! We need all the hands-on evidence we can get.

UtahMike
11-01-2008, 12:16 AM
She evidently knew what you didn't, and that was the rule could be broken with no consequence, and she figured that you would buy more dances if she initiated touching. Don't assume this will always be the case, not even in the same club with the same dancer.

Otoki
11-01-2008, 03:17 PM
She evidently knew what you didn't, and that was the rule could be broken with no consequence, and she figured that you would buy more dances if she initiated touching. Don't assume this will always be the case, not even in the same club with the same dancer.
+1

Also, you only make more money if you allow touching depending on the club atmosphere. The last club I worked at I made as much or more money than the other girls on the shift by doing air dances, while they did friction dances.

liqidvenom
11-02-2008, 12:16 AM
Yeah--it happens. I'm thinkin' the guy (you) would be more likely to buy multiple dances if he thinks that the girl is so into it that she wants to be touched. Plus, the stripper knows that you're more likely to buy multiples if you get to touch. Shrugs. Or maybe you got the rare nympho type. :P
Yeah i just got back form a club recently where i got a lap dance and the chick used her hands to put my dick in her mouth (while it was still in my jeans), it caught me off guard but who am i to stop someone from working.

and this was a pretty upscale place.

charlie61
11-02-2008, 08:15 AM
Yeah i just got back form a club recently where i got a lap dance and the chick used her hands to put my dick in her mouth (while it was still in my jeans), it caught me off guard but who am i to stop someone from working.

and this was a pretty upscale place.

How many dances did you end up buying?

Otoki
11-02-2008, 11:30 PM
Yeah i just got back form a club recently where i got a lap dance and the chick used her hands to put my dick in her mouth (while it was still in my jeans), it caught me off guard but who am i to stop someone from working.

and this was a pretty upscale place.
And what club/what state?

liqidvenom
11-03-2008, 10:44 PM
How many dances did you end up buying?

just the one. the chick was slamming, and she did alot of other things. But shes just putting on a pretty decent show. it was worth my 20 bucks.


And what club/what state?
nj the club isnt important.

Otoki
11-04-2008, 12:52 AM
^^I think this post adequately proves my point.

sadbuttrue
11-15-2008, 05:11 PM
I have seen a regular girl for a long time now. It started as her giving back rubs which she is awesome at.

Then at a much later time, I had her dance for me and then we started to dance and back rub, but eventually it was me doing the rubs all the time. For years, it has been a ritual 1/3 of the money is me giving her back rubs 2/3 is full contact dance.

I love giving her back rubs. She likes them and asks for them (when she could otherwise be making the money doing dances for me). I love the feel of her skin and then during dance there is her hair. It's the best hair I have touched, which stretches down to and kisses her excellent butt. Some of the touching during dance is like admiring whatever is being presented. Like when she perches one leg on the seat, I have always run my hand over the top of her leg.

Sad

houstonn
11-16-2008, 02:02 AM
the basic question is why would I want to touch a stripper, knowing she doesn't enjoy it? I don't care if she doesn't enjoy it, I enjoy it; if I think she would object, no, I will not touch, but I generally avoid clubs where dancers object, so it's rarely an issue...and I never touch untill/unless I've agreed to pay a decent sum for the privilege, i.e., a lap dance...unlike dancers themselves, many who will grope/touch me at the "negotiating" phase, trying to get me to buy a dance, many who I have rejected, and end up with a 'free feel', so to speak; nobody condemns those dancers, it's considered a normal bargaining process, whereas the guy who is already paying for lap dances gets criticized for touching...it is abnormal for a nude attractive woman to dance directly in front of you, rubbing on you, and NOT touching her...not that I can't avoid it, but it's unnatural, physically...I touch because it feels good, and I choose the clubs where it's expected, in fact, it is common where I go that at the start of a lap dance, the dancer will sit in my lap and almost immediately offer her breast to my mouth...and, no, I don't fantasize that she likes me, or is enjoying it, it's not much different from simply having a nice meal