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threlayer
11-16-2008, 09:59 AM
What is this 'contact club' and 'non-contact club' bidness? I've never been to a club in a so-called non-contact area. If that were always the issue around here, I'd much rather just watch the stage show at those places; maybe chat a little for dollars too. I doubt if I would go to a club anywhere else under such rigid and puritannical rules. I'm not writing about the bikini area that should never be touched without permission. As far as dancers in 'contact clubs' not willing to be touched anywhere safe, I don't know why they even bother dancing if being touched by a MAN is so vile to them? It seems so cynical of them. That's what it seems to me anyway. So I just wouldn't other 'offending' them at all.

charlie61
11-16-2008, 12:27 PM
What is this 'contact club' and 'non-contact club' bidness? I've never been to a club in a so-called non-contact area. If that were always the issue around here, I'd much rather just watch the stage show at those places; maybe chat a little for dollars too. I doubt if I would go to a club anywhere else under such rigid and puritannical rules. I'm not writing about the bikini area that should never be touched without permission. As far as dancers in 'contact clubs' not willing to be touched anywhere safe, I don't know why they even bother dancing if being touched by a MAN is so vile to them? It seems so cynical of them. That's what it seems to me anyway. So I just wouldn't other 'offending' them at all.

Haha...you don't understand why some women would have a problem with being manhandled all night by strangers? Really? I mean, nothing against women who are okay with that, but it's more about personal boundaries. Unlike prostitution (generally), stripping carries with it the abilitiy to choose what you're comfortable doing. I don't think being touched is "vile," but I wouldn't be okay with it.

I understand, however, why you wouldn't want to go to a no-contact club. I've had guys sit there and by 20+ dances in a row (those are the ones who enjoy the tease), and I've had guys get me back there and spend the entirity of their 1 dance bitching about how they can't touch me (guys like you). Different strokes for different folks.

bsteve
11-16-2008, 01:42 PM
Haha...you don't understand why some women would have a problem with being manhandled all night by strangers? Really? I mean, nothing against women who are okay with that, but it's more about personal boundaries. Unlike prostitution (generally), stripping carries with it the abilitiy to choose what you're comfortable doing. I don't think being touched is "vile," but I wouldn't be okay with it.


Actually, Charlie, this has puzzled me for a long time as well. I understand that being manhandled by a stranger is very offensive to a lot of women. Yes, I get it. But I am puzzled why a woman chooses to be a stripper in a club where touching is an integral part of her services, if she so hates to be touched.

Perhaps I am naïve, but to me a stripper that hates to be touched works in a contact CS is akin to a doctor who is squeamish at the sight of blood, an accountant who hates math, a proofreader who hates grammar and spelling, or a skyscraper window washer who has acrophobia. Why would a woman who hates to be touched chooses to be a dancer?

charlie61
11-16-2008, 02:42 PM
Actually, Charlie, this has puzzled me for a long time as well. I understand that being manhandled by a stranger is very offensive to a lot of women. Yes, I get it. But I am puzzled why a woman chooses to be a stripper in a club where touching is an integral part of her services, if she so hates to be touched.

Perhaps I am naïve, but to me a stripper that hates to be touched works in a contact CS is akin to a doctor who is squeamish at the sight of blood, an accountant who hates math, a proofreader who hates grammar and spelling, or a skyscraper window washer who has acrophobia. Why would a woman who hates to be touched chooses to be a dancer?

Oh...I guess I misinterpreted what he was saying. So he was saying he doesn't understand why a no-contact stripper would work in a contact club? I'd agree with that--that's a bit odd. I thought he meant like "what's the point of being a stripper if you don't want to get touched?"

grindonme
11-16-2008, 04:58 PM
What is this 'contact club' and 'non-contact club' bidness? I've never been to a club in a so-called non-contact area. If that were always the issue around here, I'd much rather just watch the stage show at those places; maybe chat a little for dollars too. I doubt if I would go to a club anywhere else under such rigid and puritannical rules. I'm not writing about the bikini area that should never be touched without permission. As far as dancers in 'contact clubs' not willing to be touched anywhere safe, I don't know why they even bother dancing if being touched by a MAN is so vile to them? It seems so cynical of them. That's what it seems to me anyway. So I just wouldn't other 'offending' them at all.

I get what you're saying because from reading some of the posts here some of the women have said how they don't want the customer touching any part of their body and i always have the :O:O look on my face. I think i'd walk out if i went to a club that ENFORCED the no touching rule, i can't see myself getting a lapdance and just sitting there with my hands on my side

charlie61
11-16-2008, 05:07 PM
I get what you're saying because from reading some of the posts here some of the women have said how they don't want the customer touching any part of their body and i always have the :O:O look on my face. I think i'd walk out if i went to a club that ENFORCED the no touching rule, i can't see myself getting a lapdance and just sitting there with my hands on my side

Me either. I think I'd feel awkward.

doc-catfish
11-16-2008, 05:10 PM
So he was saying he doesn't understand why a no-contact stripper would work in a contact club? I'd agree with that--that's a bit odd.
Well, I would think if strippers had their way, all SC's would be no contact, and if customers had their way, they'd all be full contact. In either instance of course, depending on the norms in our immediate area, which vary greatly depending on where we live, some have no choice but to make do with what's available.

Oddly enough, I think our first experiences in clubs we all got "initiated" in, give us some false impression that its that way everywhere, or should be. God knows, I doubt I'd be okay with "hands off" dances, much less airdances, had I been raised in a place like Houston or South Florida.

yoda57us
11-16-2008, 05:31 PM
I live in Boston and there are a mix of contact and non-contact clubs within an hour or so drive for me. For many years I clubbed right around Boston and everything was no-contact. You couldn't even hug a stripper in most clubs even if she was walking around the club dressed.

Then one day I went to providence RI with a couple of my buddies and discovered the wonderful world of full contact LD's. For about two years after my first visit to RI I didn't even go into a Boston area club. Why would I? I liked touching!

I met a lot of dancers in Providence who had worked in Mass clubs and moved to the RI clubs to make more money. Even though they didn't like the whole contact aspect it was tough to ignore the chance to make $1000 in a night when the best you could do in Mass was stage tips. Eventually some Mass clubs started to allow private dances. Still no contact but it gave Mass. dancers the chance to become sales people just like the girls in RI had become. Rather than just strutting on stage for dollar bills they could control their own destiny based on how good their hustle and sales skills were.

In 2009 Mass is still a weird place to go strip clubbing. Some areas allow some contact and some still don't allow any. RI clubs in the meantime are totally over the top contact wise with full-on boob and kitty fondling in most places and fairly regular sex acts as well.

Many dancers go back and fourth between high contact and low to no contact clubs sometimes switching once or twice a year as their tolerance for being groped waxes and wanes. What is interesting is that the money has leveled off somewhat since the LD became a common occurrence in Mass clubs. This indicates to me that making money in a strip club has as much to do with your selling skills as it does with how you look or how much contact you are willing to put up with.

charlie61
11-16-2008, 05:37 PM
^^ I hear that. Plus, some really hot girls go to full-contact dive clubs and bank on giving no contact lap dances just because they're hot enough to get away with it. Shrugs. As independent contractors, it makes a hell of a lot of sense. We have to abide by the establishment's rules, but that doesn't mean that we can't be more conservative than the rules state.

Now, if we were employees, it'd be a whole different story.

threlayer
11-17-2008, 10:24 AM
I didn't mean 'manhandling'. I know it's largly fake, but it's pretended affection (to me anyway), so some light touching should be expected/allowed by people in that part of the sex industry. See my above post for details. If they don't believe they're part of that industry, I believe they have a personal problem recognizing their own lifestyle. But lead me away from the dancers who feel "they're hot enough to get away with it." That is just too much narcissism and cynicism for me to be around. that's why if I come across a club like that, I'm a tiprailer for the short time I'm there. Since we customers don't know which worker status you are, I believe that argument is pointless to us.


...RI clubs in the meantime are totally over the top contact wise with full-on boob and kitty fondling in most places and fairly regular sex acts as well....

If I ever get an urge to go "pervving" again, there is RI, Quebec, as well as Niagara Falls. It would be a first trip there for me. It has certainly dried up everywhere else I've been in the last several years.

grindonme
11-17-2008, 10:55 AM
Oddly enough, I think our first experiences in clubs we all got "initiated" in, give us some false impression that its that way everywhere, or should be. God knows, I doubt I'd be okay with "hands off" dances, much less airdances, had I been raised in a place like Houston or South Florida.

This is true because i remember my first club being this club in Nashville, TN called The Mirage and it was wild beyond belief, full nude, full contact, full everything. When i moved to Alabama and went to the clubs in Birmingham i was like :O:O:O because it was no nudity, no lapdances/tabledances or anything all their money was made onstage. I went twice at night and never went back again until i rode by one day and discovered that dayhsift was a whole other world

threlayer
11-17-2008, 01:55 PM
I've been to places where 'extras' weren't actually extras, but the name stripclub wasn't exactly accurate either. But all ther girls knew what was expected, which is only fair. Those are all closed now, thanks to the FBI.

Otoki
11-17-2008, 03:38 PM
the basic question is why would I want to touch a stripper, knowing she doesn't enjoy it? I don't care if she doesn't enjoy it, I enjoy it; if I think she would object, no, I will not touch, but I generally avoid clubs where dancers object, so it's rarely an issue...and I never touch untill/unless I've agreed to pay a decent sum for the privilege, i.e., a lap dance...unlike dancers themselves, many who will grope/touch me at the "negotiating" phase, trying to get me to buy a dance, many who I have rejected, and end up with a 'free feel', so to speak; nobody condemns those dancers, it's considered a normal bargaining process, whereas the guy who is already paying for lap dances gets criticized for touching...it is abnormal for a nude attractive woman to dance directly in front of you, rubbing on you, and NOT touching her...not that I can't avoid it, but it's unnatural, physically...I touch because it feels good, and I choose the clubs where it's expected, in fact, it is common where I go that at the start of a lap dance, the dancer will sit in my lap and almost immediately offer her breast to my mouth...and, no, I don't fantasize that she likes me, or is enjoying it, it's not much different from simply having a nice meal
:O And of course you are the only person who has put your mouth on her breast. *sigh*



What is this 'contact club' and 'non-contact club' bidness? I've never been to a club in a so-called non-contact area. If that were always the issue around here, I'd much rather just watch the stage show at those places; maybe chat a little for dollars too. I doubt if I would go to a club anywhere else under such rigid and puritannical rules. I'm not writing about the bikini area that should never be touched without permission. As far as dancers in 'contact clubs' not willing to be touched anywhere safe, I don't know why they even bother dancing if being touched by a MAN is so vile to them? It seems so cynical of them. That's what it seems to me anyway. So I just wouldn't other 'offending' them at all.
So you honestly feel that any dancer who prefers dancing in a no-contact club is hypocritical/kidding herself?



Actually, Charlie, this has puzzled me for a long time as well. I understand that being manhandled by a stranger is very offensive to a lot of women. Yes, I get it. But I am puzzled why a woman chooses to be a stripper in a club where touching is an integral part of her services, if she so hates to be touched.

Perhaps I am naïve, but to me a stripper that hates to be touched works in a contact CS is akin to a doctor who is squeamish at the sight of blood, an accountant who hates math, a proofreader who hates grammar and spelling, or a skyscraper window washer who has acrophobia. Why would a woman who hates to be touched chooses to be a dancer?
I agree. I feel very bad for women whose only option club-wise is a high contact club (talk to the women in south FL, TX, etc) when that is something they're uncomfortable with. Doing something that makes you uncomfortable over and over again is very emotionally/psychologically traumatizing in the long run. I wish there were more no-contact clubs all over the place, so dancers like me could work in more places. Alas, my travel-dancing options are very limited.



I get what you're saying because from reading some of the posts here some of the women have said how they don't want the customer touching any part of their body and i always have the :O:O look on my face. I think i'd walk out if i went to a club that ENFORCED the no touching rule, i can't see myself getting a lapdance and just sitting there with my hands on my side
I'd rather people walked out of my club than tried to force their SC "standards" on the dancers.



I didn't mean 'manhandling'. I know it's largly fake, but it's pretended affection (to me anyway), so some light touching should be expected/allowed by people in that part of the sex industry. See my above post for details. If they don't believe they're part of that industry, I believe they have a personal problem recognizing their own lifestyle. But lead me away from the dancers who feel "they're hot enough to get away with it." That is just too much narcissism and cynicism for me to be around. that's why if I come across a club like that, I'm a tiprailer for the short time I'm there. Since we customers don't know which worker status you are, I believe that argument is pointless to us.
Are you being serious? Of course we're in the sex industry. So are phone sex operators. Do you think phone sex operators are narcissistic because they don't have sex with the people they're speaking to?

Where does it stop? Since I'm in the sex industry, as a dancer, should I be expected to have sex with customers in order to not be "narcissistic?" I find this sort of customer-entitlement attitude disgusting, and I'm very sad that there are so many people out there (and on this board, no less) who think this way.

Please do us all a favor and stick to your high-contact clubs. Those of us who are uncomfortable with that level of contact aren't going to change our personal limits because you don't think we're doing our job to your standards.

Did you even consider how this post would be received before you wrote it, or did you just say "fuck it" and hit "Post"?

threlayer
11-17-2008, 04:33 PM
:O ...Since I'm in the sex industry, as a dancer, should I be expected to have sex with customers in order to not be "narcissistic?" I find this sort of customer-entitlement attitude disgusting, and I'm very sad that there are so many people out there (and on this board, no less) who think this way.... In reality I didn't say nor imply that. But I believe some dancers are in the wrong line of work.

houstonn
11-17-2008, 09:55 PM
regarding that other guys have probably sucked a dancer's breasts before me, I don't give it a second thought....it's just dried saliva, sure it would be a tad gross to receive it direct from the guy, but I'm surprised so many dancers make the point about 'you don't know who else has had their hand/mouth there'....I've sucked hundreds of breasts in clubs, literally, with no ill effects...to me, at least, although once, a year ago, I sucked a dancer's breast in Mexico, while emptying it of milk intended for her 6 month old baby...that may have bothered him, temporarily ;D

grindonme
11-17-2008, 11:12 PM
regarding that other guys have probably sucked a dancer's breasts before me, I don't give it a second thought....it's just dried saliva, sure it would be a tad gross to receive it direct from the guy, but I'm surprised so many dancers make the point about 'you don't know who else has had their hand/mouth there'....I've sucked hundreds of breasts in clubs, literally, with no ill effects...to me, at least, although once, a year ago, I sucked a dancer's breast in Mexico, while emptying it of milk intended for her 6 month old baby...that may have bothered him, temporarily ;D

:O:O:O:O

liqidvenom
11-18-2008, 12:13 AM
Please do us all a favor and stick to your high-contact clubs. Those of us who are uncomfortable with that level of contact aren't going to change our personal limits because you don't think we're doing our job to your standards.

Did you even consider how this post would be received before you wrote it, or did you just say "fuck it" and hit "Post"?
i find it odd that some how its totally ok for a strange woman to accept money for dancing a guys lap, or touching the guy form head to toe.... but for some reason its disgusting for the person fronting the money wanting to touch the female that is touching them.

maybe its just me but i dont understand how someone can sit on their soap box and give people crap for wanting to touch dancers, while the dancers seem to have free reign to touch the client....seems like a bs double standard.

charlie61
11-18-2008, 02:15 AM
i find it odd that some how its totally ok for a strange woman to accept money for dancing a guys lap, or touching the guy form head to toe.... but for some reason its disgusting for the person fronting the money wanting to touch the female that is touching them.

maybe its just me but i dont understand how someone can sit on their soap box and give people crap for wanting to touch dancers, while the dancers seem to have free reign to touch the client....seems like a bs double standard.

Umm...because (in contact clubs), that's what the customers are paying for. We can stand on our soap boxes all we want about not wanting to be touched--it's a personal boundary. The customer should always ask the dancer about her limits prior to getting a dance so he knows the contract into which he's agreeing. At this point, he should also tell her that he doesn't want to be touched (since people like liquidvenom would, of COURSE, not want to be touched).

charlie61
11-18-2008, 02:18 AM
Are you being serious? Of course we're in the sex industry. So are phone sex operators. Do you think phone sex operators are narcissistic because they don't have sex with the people they're speaking to?

Where does it stop? Since I'm in the sex industry, as a dancer, should I be expected to have sex with customers in order to not be "narcissistic?" I find this sort of customer-entitlement attitude disgusting, and I'm very sad that there are so many people out there (and on this board, no less) who think this way.

Please do us all a favor and stick to your high-contact clubs. Those of us who are uncomfortable with that level of contact aren't going to change our personal limits because you don't think we're doing our job to your standards.



I'd agree with this. It's as much a choice for the customer as for the dancer what club he/she goes to/works in. So why complain. If you're in a no-contact club, that's exactly what you're going to get.

"Sex industry" is a socially coined term. It doesn't mean SEX.

doc-catfish
11-18-2008, 08:48 AM
i find it odd that some how its totally ok for a strange woman to accept money for dancing a guys lap, or touching the guy form head to toe.... but for some reason its disgusting for the person fronting the money wanting to touch the female that is touching them.

maybe its just me but i dont understand how someone can sit on their soap box and give people crap for wanting to touch dancers, while the dancers seem to have free reign to touch the client....seems like a bs double standard.
So for sake of equality, if you can't touch the dancer, you'd rather have no contact at all?
/:O


The customer should always ask the dancer about her limits prior to getting a dance so he knows the contract into which he's agreeing.
And to think I was doing good by just erring on the side of caution. Some guys would be surprised how some dancers open up when their boundaries are being respected.
:)

Otoki
11-18-2008, 02:14 PM
Umm...because (in contact clubs), that's what the customers are paying for. We can stand on our soap boxes all we want about not wanting to be touched--it's a personal boundary. The customer should always ask the dancer about her limits prior to getting a dance so he knows the contract into which he's agreeing. At this point, he should also tell her that he doesn't want to be touched (since people like liquidvenom would, of COURSE, not want to be touched).
Thanks for writing this. I don't think I could have written anything remotely as calm after reading most of this tripe.


regarding that other guys have probably sucked a dancer's breasts before me, I don't give it a second thought....it's just dried saliva, sure it would be a tad gross to receive it direct from the guy, but I'm surprised so many dancers make the point about 'you don't know who else has had their hand/mouth there'....I've sucked hundreds of breasts in clubs, literally, with no ill effects...to me, at least, although once, a year ago, I sucked a dancer's breast in Mexico, while emptying it of milk intended for her 6 month old baby...that may have bothered him, temporarily ;D
...Please don't breed. Ever.

charlie61
11-18-2008, 02:39 PM
^^ Yeah, that was some pretty intense imagery.

houstonn
11-18-2008, 09:32 PM
Thanks for writing this. I don't think I could have written anything remotely as calm after reading most of this tripe.


...Please don't breed. Ever.

too late...I have 2 beautiful children...at least 2 that I know about ;D 8)

liqidvenom
11-18-2008, 10:41 PM
Umm...because (in contact clubs), that's what the customers are paying for. We can stand on our soap boxes all we want about not wanting to be touched--it's a personal boundary. The customer should always ask the dancer about her limits prior to getting a dance so he knows the contract into which he's agreeing. At this point, he should also tell her that he doesn't want to be touched (since people like liquidvenom would, of COURSE, not want to be touched).

it doesnt matter what i personally would be looking for since we are talking about general situations here. I fully understand about someone having personal boundarys, thats everyones right. But i have never been to a strip club and been asked whats my personal boundary when it comes to getting a lap dance.

When a dancer that doesnt want to be touched, touches a person....she is still being touched inadvertantly. The only way it would make sense for a woman to say she doesnt like to be touched is if she does her part to avoid touching the client.


So for sake of equality, if you can't touch the dancer, you'd rather have no contact at all?
/:O

lets say for the sake of arguement a lap dance is $20. if I can sit at the rail and have a girl dance without me touching her and tip her a dollar, what has changed for the extra $19 that is charged for another dance where the client still isnt allowed to touch the dancer?

( i'm not saying that a dancers time is worth a dollar or 20, just using that for an example)

Ruby Ruckus
11-18-2008, 10:54 PM
regarding the breast milk thing, that's gross. not because it's breast milk, or because of your graphic description, but because that is another human being's bodily fluid, and bodily fluids carry pathogens.

doc-catfish
11-18-2008, 10:55 PM
if I can sit at the rail and have a girl dance without me touching her and tip her a dollar, what has changed for the extra $19 that is charged for another dance where the client still isnt allowed to touch the dancer?
You're describing what in most instances is a stage tip, not a dance. For that extra $19 (which is sometimes $9, $24, or $29) you get her attention for the entire song, sometimes in a secluded portion of the room, or in a private room.

Plus if its allowed, she can still touch you. I mean, I've always figured one way contact was better than none, but hey.
:shrug:

Otoki
11-19-2008, 12:30 AM
When a dancer that doesnt want to be touched, touches a person....she is still being touched inadvertantly. The only way it would make sense for a woman to say she doesnt like to be touched is if she does her part to avoid touching the client.
FAIL!



lets say for the sake of arguement a lap dance is $20. if I can sit at the rail and have a girl dance without me touching her and tip her a dollar, what has changed for the extra $19 that is charged for another dance where the client still isnt allowed to touch the dancer?

( i'm not saying that a dancers time is worth a dollar or 20, just using that for an example)
Gosh, you're right. There is absolutely no difference between 15 seconds of attention from a girl on stage to 3-5 minutes of attention where you are her sole focus!

Otoki
11-19-2008, 12:31 AM
Also, doc-catfish, I wanted to say how much I appreciate your contributions to this thread. You're the sort of person who makes this job worthwhile:)

Earl_the_Pearl
11-19-2008, 02:55 AM
Some guys would be surprised how some dancers open up when their boundaries are being respected.
:)
Huh huh hee hee, he said open up.:D

charlie61
11-19-2008, 07:14 AM
^^ Heehee...}:D It's so true though!

threlayer
11-20-2008, 05:09 AM
True. After all, they are exhibitionists, most of them anyway.

charlie61
11-20-2008, 02:16 PM
^^ by the first definition on dictionary.com, (generally) yes. By the second, absolutely not.

threlayer
11-21-2008, 11:36 AM
actors are exhibitionists, too, just not all that many show their private parts as comfortably -- which is another study topic entirely

PoleSiren
04-12-2009, 12:00 PM
As a dancer, I hate having to go into "self-defense" mode. I don't mind considerate and moderate touching. My legs, my arms etc...

But, I have to say, I get the desire to touch. I didn't until a friend of mine gave me a LD. Then I got it. I found it natural to want to reach out and had to stop myself several times. So, a large part of my brain was on "don't touch, don't touch" mode rather than enjoying the dance. so...I get it. But still...tough patooties suckers. Can't touch me. :)

jack0177057
04-13-2009, 08:42 AM
I don't initiate the touching,... ever..., but once I am touched... I instinctively reciprocate... I don't touch breast, butt or vagina... (unless specifically instructed to by the dancer and then I am compelled to comply ;D). When breasts are rubbed in my face, I usually reciprocate by touching the legs, waist and/or back. When the dancer is grinding me on my lap, I might touch her back, legs, neck and arms... I love the sense of touching a woman's skin... so soft and smooth...:) I also love the scent of a woman... the smell of her hair, her skin, her perfume... :)

I have heard guys say that if they spend more than a certain amount ($100, etc.), they expect certain breast-touching privileges.:( I don't share that notion, but it does seem like they get away with it.

stressed
04-13-2009, 11:18 AM
I only touch when she tells me that she should pay me for the dance, because all of the fun she is having. ::)
I feel really bad at that moment and feel like i should do something to make her feel like she is indeed really earning her money.:P

I mean i know i am hard to resist but come on control yourself ladies.:D

hockeybobby
04-13-2009, 01:12 PM
U can't touch this! (http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=mc+hammer+can%27t+touch+this+music+v ideo&www_google_domain=www.google.ca&hl=en&emb=0&aq=1&oq=mc+hammer+can%27t+touch+this#)

Lydia Rose
04-13-2009, 01:52 PM
why wouldnt they want to touch the dancers?

charlie61
04-13-2009, 02:40 PM
^ This is an pretty old and relatively complicated thread. If you don't understand the OP, then read through the whole thing and see if you still have questions.

glambman
04-13-2009, 03:51 PM
Okay. I swear I'm not dense. But I was wondering the other day why it is that customers (most of them) want to touch the dancers.

So, to the blues out there-->

If you have desired to (or have acted upon the desire to) touch a stripper, then why is this?

Is it purely for your own enjoyment of our bodies--with the hope that the stripper is merely a neutral, physically-present being? (total objectification)
Is it because you think that you and the stripper would both enjoy mutual touching?
Is the customer deluded into thinking that the stripper would get off on it? (not that this isn't somewhat understandable--strippers can be very good actresses)
Does the customer honestly not give a shit whether or not the girl would enjoy being touched?

I'm sure the answers vary. But, as a stripper, it's so obvious to me that the typical, no-extras stripper wouldn't be turned on by random guys touching her...so why do (the majority of) patrons seem to think think that strippers want contact?

Sorry if this seems like a stupid question. Enlighten me! Even if you aren't one of the deluded grabby patrons, bless me with your insight into others' actions.

I have desired to because they had nice physical features. I still view people as people, not neutral objects, so I very rarely act on my desires ITC, however, that is not what I am looking for when visiting a SC. When we made it OTC, it was mutually enjoyable. I am not deluded into thinking a dancer would enjoy having a stranger grope her. I give a shit in the same way I would not be groping a gf (or any female) in public .

With that said, I have friends who run the full gamut from 'like me' to 'give her a twenty and get blown in the back'. It has to do with preconceived notions and (as much as I hate to say it) some of their experiences.

charlie61
04-13-2009, 03:56 PM
^ I guess that's how I see it. Which would likely ruin a SC experience for me. Glad you seem to still get something out of it though (seriously).

It seems like one would have to be at least somewhat deluded (at least temporarily) into believing in the fantasy in order to enjoy a lap dance.

glambman
04-13-2009, 04:10 PM
^ I guess that's how I see it. Which would likely ruin a SC experience for me. Glad you seem to still get something out of it though (seriously).

It seems like one would have to be at least somewhat deluded (at least temporarily) into believing in the fantasy in order to enjoy a lap dance.

You see, for me, a LD takes away from the 'entertainment' aspect of it. From when I used to get them, I can see how the physical nature of a LD can delude someone into thinking 'more of it', especially if it has a good contact level, however IMO, it is like the girl that is a tease. ::) Why do I want to set myself up for being teased.

Of course in your previous post, you have to bring up my old age, and as much as I try to understand, you complicate things for me everytime you post (with your avatar and such), and well....the thread title. }:D Of course I'd have to be married first. lol :(

charlie61
04-13-2009, 04:17 PM
Of course in your previous post, you have to bring up my old age, and as much as I try to understand, you complicate things for me everytime you post (with your avatar and such), and well....the thread title. }:D Of course I'd have to be married first. lol :(

That'll be $20, sir! }:D

FBR
04-13-2009, 04:41 PM
^ Ha! +1 Charlie :)

FBR

charlie61
04-13-2009, 04:59 PM
My thread is alive!!! IT'S ALIIIIIVEE!!!!!!!!!! }:D

jack0177057
04-15-2009, 12:18 PM
Do you remember when Fresh Prince a/k/a Will Smith used to rap?... Maybe that was before your time... Anyway, in "Just One Of Those Days" he rhymed:

This girl walked in my imigination ran wild
She stole my heart just by the way that she smiled
I couldn't resist so I grabbed her butt
She said what's wrong with you fool are you some kind of nut
The teacher turned around while my arm was extended
She looked me in the face and said Prince you're suspended
I said your tripping it's just a bad habit
She put it in my face she must've wanted me to grab it

charlie61
04-16-2009, 12:40 AM
^ Definitely before my time. But...concisely stated. That's all I got for you man.

FBR
04-16-2009, 06:51 PM
I touched a dancer today in a way some would consider inappropriate. I fear excommunication.

FBR

subwoofer
04-17-2009, 02:47 AM
I read through 10 pages on this thread before I couldn't take it anymore and have to reply, so honestly, I can move on and read at least one other thread on the SW forum.

I attend a club that is high-level 2 way contact, and until a couple months ago, I had an "outsiders' opinion" on what to do in a SC. I remember 20 years ago buying a lapdance from a woman my friends and I were "auditioning" for a bachelor party. I kept my hands to my side and my mouth closed while the young lady practically beat me with her body. She thanked me for being a "nice guy" and I didn't know what to do. This was the early 90s, and my hometown was still stuck in the puritanical ideas of taking pictures of cars' license plates in the parking lot, and posting those plate numbers in classified ads in the local paper. Back then, I really felt SC's were a setup for law abiding guys like myself to get burned for partaking in relatively wholesome entertainment. I mean, all I wanted to see was a woman's boobies!

Nowadays, nearly 2 decades later, we have the internet, tuscl and SW and other resources, plus plenty of Strip Club Etiquette 101 web sites. Just a couple months ago, I got over my inhibitions about local law enforcement's attitudes about local clubs, and decided to start attending strip clubs. (SC's are a cheap and emotionally satisfying to my previous addiction to casinos and singles bars!)

As I've said before, my favorite club's rules is 2-way, high contact (no kitty.) My first visit there, I guess I wasn't aggressive enough, and like what other posters have said on this thread, I had my girl grab my hands by force and place them on her boobs.

I cannot wrap my mind around a club that allows no touching at all. Even with 2 way touching, I try to be as kind as possible, with gentle kneading of the boobies about as "hard" as it gets. I never push or force a girl to do something she doesn't want to do. (With our club rules, there's plenty she can do w/o having to break any rules!)

There's been a couple times with my ATF when I have my hand on her breast during the 2-4-1 song special, and when the jukebox "hangs" between songs, she puts her hand over mine on her breast until the next song starts! I will gently murmur to her how wonderful the "wait" is, and make sure to tip her a few extra bucks at settle-up time.

Also, I have no hesitation giving ladies backrubs whenever they ask for it. (Many ladies have 'a lot" up top, and it's my pleasure to be on the giving end of pleasure in this particular instance.)

Hope that helps, from the perspective from a lucky guy that apparently lives in a part of the USA with relaxed SC rules.

charlie61
04-17-2009, 04:45 PM
^ I hear what you're saying... I think the conclusion then would be that you enjoy touching for the sake of touching--despite the reasons the strippers have for wanting you to touch them?

To explain what I mean....from a stripper's point of view... The women you see in high-contact clubs (and I have no problem with high contact clubs!) want you to touch them because they realize that more touching= more money. They want you to spend money, yes? 99% of the strippers you touch aren't enjoying your contact. Therefore, if I were you (which I'm obviously not), I wouldn't be able to enjoy these dances, since I'm more than aware of how the stripper feels (she feels anywhere from ambivalent to repulsed).

When I touch someone, I don't enjoy it unless I know that the person I'm touching is also enjoying the experience. So my experience at a high-contact club would likely be...bad. But seriously--props to you for enjoying it! Nothing wrong with that at all.

That's more of what the thread is about...and it's the reason why I doubt my abilities to enjoy receiving lap dances. And I hear you about not understanding no-contact clubs (I work at one)--I honestly don't think I would pay for a dance unless I were "getting" something out of it. And since I clearly wouldn't enjoy it even if I were getting something out of it, I obviously wouldn't enjoy any kind of lap dance period. Blah.

By the way--thank you for reading through the thread before posting! It's a monster!