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Pretty_Penny
08-28-2008, 09:15 PM
I was reading some of the responses on the Pink side to this thread and I am somewhat surprised that some girls expect $20 to $30 for an air dance. A customer may as well sit at the stage or go to Hooters.
Why are dancers surprised that a customer wants to touch them? Don't get me wrong, I fully understand their anger, disgust, and displeasure in getting fingered, slobbered on, and having a customer attempt to rape them.
are you sure said girls are expecting this for "air dances"? it's likely that your definition of "air-dance" is not actually what they do.
for instance, yes -i- expect to be paid to dance, and i (club rules as well as my own) don't allow any touching of my breasts, minimal touching of my ass (no grabbing or prying my ass cheeks apart). i do very light, minimal grinding if any (depends on the customer).
however, i still 100% believe -in my mind- that i give better/hotter dances than i did when i worked full contact. back then i would just grind mindlessly and let guys (if they were spending well) manhandle my tits.
maybe to some customers that constitutes a better dance than all the sensual eye contact, tactful moves, seduction in the world. maybe "touching the titties" is the only thing that matters. *shrug*
but i don't classify what i do as "air dancing". to me, air dances are when the dancer stands away from you or hovers above you. she doesn't sit on your leg, touch your lap at all, you can't touch so much as her hip, etc.
and yes, some girls expect to make money doing just that because they believe their are other skills which they deserve to be paid for, and (depending on the girl) i typically see no problem with that.
Bob_Loblaw
08-28-2008, 10:19 PM
I'm just curious...for people that chose they don't need grinding/t&a, is that only because there aren't clubs offering more contact in your area within driving distance? or you are near a higher contact club, you just choose to go to the lower contact one because it serves alcohol/the girls are better/cheaper as a whole?
In no case do I give preference to clubs simply because they serve alcohol. If my intention is to go boozing, I'd rather hit the bars than the strip clubs. Besides, I find that I enjoy the club visits more when I haven't been drinking.
The varying dances prices between clubs does not factor into my decisions to frequent one club over another. If I feel like a Whopper and poutine at Burger King, I'm not going to decide to go to McDonald's and get a hamburger and small fries just because it's cheaper.
There are option 6 level clubs in the area and I've found myself in places out of town that would fit into option 7.
I choose not to frequent these places because they're selling something I'm not looking to buy. I don't go to clubs in search of gratifying sexual impulses. In fact, I hardly ever achieve any state of arousal. (I can't say never because it has occurred in the past... once)
The other reason I don't go to these clubs is because of the type of guys who go there. No, I'm not passing any judgment on men who enjoy heavy contact. I like to be able to kick back and chill out in the presence of all the beautiful women. At the heavy contact clubs, I find the vibe is such that I can't fully unwind.
I go to the club to appreciate the aesthetics of the women as well to be entertained by their stages (in addition to other things like good conversation and company, club ambiance and music, people watching, etc.). Before you scoff at that statement, I believe it's no different than art lovers who visit an art gallery. These people cannot hear or smell the art let alone touch or lick (taste) them, yet they still find the experience fulfilling enough through the sense of sight alone. I don't expect everyone to understand how you can have this mindset while visiting such a sexually charged environment. Just know that some guys really do read Playboy for the articles.
grindonme
08-28-2008, 10:33 PM
and since you asked for bed dances to be "described", it's usually where the customer lays down on a mattress and the dancer climbs on top of him (in whatever way she wants.. facing or not, etc. she grinds on him, etc.
it's pretty much dry-fucking.
Now thats a dance i've got to experience}:D
satoo
08-28-2008, 10:38 PM
for instance, yes -i- expect to be paid to dance, and i (club rules as well as my own) don't allow any touching of my breasts, minimal touching of my ass (no grabbing or prying my ass cheeks apart). i do very light, minimal grinding if any (depends on the customer).
however, i still 100% believe -in my mind- that i give better/hotter dances than i did when i worked full contact. back then i would just grind mindlessly and let guys (if they were spending well) manhandle my tits.
maybe to some customers that constitutes a better dance than all the sensual eye contact, tactful moves, seduction in the world. maybe "touching the titties" is the only thing that matters. *shrug*
It isn't the only thing that matters. I still like the tactful moves/seduction, but there's a high contact club here where that still happens plus touching. Same $20 in both cases.
It's not like I would walk into a low contact club and expect full contact, then get pissed when it didn't happen. I'm sure that does happen all the time though.
And as I just clicked preview post, I see Bob_Loblaw has a completely different view, so there you go- takes all kinds.
WallyT
08-29-2008, 07:36 AM
for about the 100th time, i understand all of that. this poll was about the one aspect (contact) in general. it was not intended to be the end-all-be-all of "why you spend money on a dancer". i stated before that other factors are not being taken into consideration, mostly because there are far too many to make a poll that would include every option.
also, polls are not *gasp* scientific. it/is just a "general idea" sort of thing.
I do think you get it, Penny. (I hope to confirm that impression on my next trip to TPA). If others who read my comments benefit, great - if not, hell I'll offer a full refund.
Dance Fan
08-29-2008, 10:26 AM
the poll is anonymous, so please be honest. in your personal opinion how much contact is "a must" before you will continue to spend, get another dance, etc.
IOW if the "first dance" doesn't have "at least ______ amount of contact" you're not buying another.
note that i'm not accounting for how sensual the dance is or what is otherwise good about it. this is about contact only.
also, it isn't to say you wouldn't -like- more or not... just if you have a minimum, what is it?
You should set up a poll for dancers with basically the same choices, except worded from a dancer point of view of course. The question could be, "What level of contact are you most comfortable allowing in order to get a customer to continue to spend, get another dance, etc." Note: This is not what they prefer but just like the customer poll is a minimum the dancer poll would be a maximum.
Comparing the two polls would be interesting and I believe would show there is alot of common ground between dancer and customer. Actually if there wasn't I don't think the whole thing wouldn't work but being that we are here it must.
grindonme
08-29-2008, 01:47 PM
[email protected] the dancers in denial about this thread and side of the board
grindonme
08-29-2008, 01:48 PM
You should set up a poll for dancers with basically the same choices, except worded from a dancer point of view of course. The question could be, "What level of contact are you most comfortable allowing in order to get a customer to continue to spend, get another dance, etc." Note: This is not what they prefer but just like the customer poll is a minimum the dancer poll would be a maximum.
Comparing the two polls would be interesting and I believe would show there is alot of common ground between dancer and customer. Actually if there wasn't I don't think the whole thing wouldn't work but being that we are here it must.
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riley371
08-30-2008, 01:02 AM
my buddies and i hit vegas 2-3 times a year. we live in l.a. we probably hit a strip club 3-4 times a year overall. and among the 4-5 of us, each has their different thresholds that will keep the wallet open.
i voted for no. 4 up there (pink i think). one of my buddies would be no. 6, another would be 4 and another is most comfortable with a cross of 2-3.
to me, if the girl seems chill and cool (be it naturally or because she's a good actor), then i'm much more likely to buy more dances regardless of what is happening.
a little eye contact, a genuine smile. a laugh. make it fun. girls w/ a sense of humor keep me around.
this is opposed to girls who are eyeballing other customers as they're dancing for you or those CLEARLY going through the motions. this is about having fun and that's not fun for the customer no matter what he's got his hands on.
my two cents.
Fairbay
08-30-2008, 03:28 PM
As long as the fantasy is indulged. My first ld the stripper put a hand on me and said "don't move." It was so fucking businesslike and robotic.
Thanks for assuming I'm a perv like everyone else, what a great way to start.
Golden_Rule
09-02-2008, 08:58 PM
^^ Agreed Jenny.
FBR - First, the poll is asking about the minimum contact required to get another dance, not what our ideal level of contact is. Second - you underestimate my desperation. :)
The poll is minorly flawed for me because it doesn't take into consideration that there are several kinds of S-Cs.
I don't try to buck the system. I know what I want and if I want an air dance [though I never want an air dance] I go to a club that does air dances. If I want a sensual romp I go to a place where the rules allow for slow, sexy, sensual grinds. Equally I know what SCs are actually houses of prostitution and if I want extras I go there.
So the question isn't how much contact do I have to get to want to get more? The question is how much less contact will I put up with when I know the standard of the SC I am in?
Bob_Loblaw
09-02-2008, 09:17 PM
The poll is minorly flawed for me because it doesn't take into consideration that there are several kinds of S-Cs.
I don't try to buck the system. I know what I want and if I want an air dance [though I never want an air dance] I go to a club that does air dances. If I want a sensual romp I go to a place where the rules allow for slow, sexy, sensual grinds. Equally I know what SCs are actually houses of prostitution and if I want extras I go there.
So the question isn't how much contact do I have to get to want to get more? The question is how much less contact will I put up with when I know the standard of the SC I am in?
GR, I think the underlying intent of the poll was to see what your minimum contact level is period. As you've stated, you'd "never want an air dance" but you're ok with a "sensual romp" when the mood strikes. That would be your minimum.
FBR - First, the poll is asking about the minimum contact required to get another dance, not what our ideal level of contact is. Second - you underestimate my desperation. :)
Stat, you underestimate me for thinking I underestimate you. You have better SC game than a lot of us.
FBR
doc-catfish
09-02-2008, 09:41 PM
I'm just curious...for people that chose they don't need grinding/t&a, is that only because there aren't clubs offering more contact in your area within driving distance?
Or in whatever area I'm vacationing in. Contact wise, the local clubs here are pretty good. Problem is the girls have to stay covered. Add in the fact that you're going to be paying either $30 or $25 for a cut song, and well....no sale for me.
Now when it was $20 to $25 for a full song, I was buying 8-12 dances a visit, but that's just a memory now.
you are near a higher contact club, you just choose to go to the lower contact one because it serves alcohol/the girls are better/cheaper as a whole?
If the higher contact club also has a history of vice raids and/or ROB incidence, that certainly tips the scale in the lower contact club's favor. In much the same manner, that rationale is likely to keep me buying single dances out on the floor as opposed to plunking down a triple digit sum to go into the VIP area.
When I go to the SC, I come for the sure thing. When I want to gamble, I'll go to the casino.
lestat1
09-02-2008, 11:32 PM
Stat, you underestimate me for thinking I underestimate you. You have better SC game than a lot of us.
FBR
Nah I don't at all. I overpay, overtip, and the only thing extra that comes my way happens because she started and I didn't say: "stop."
rockie
09-03-2008, 07:41 PM
Option 3 for me. One dancer acquaintance of mine has recently moved to an air dance club. She is the only dancer who I would visit in that club, as I truly enjoy watching her dance. I actually wish there were more dancers who captivated me in this way, but there are very few.
The Boob
09-17-2008, 05:53 PM
So in a way, the poll proved the problem:
An even divide between sitting-on-your-hands lapdancing and customer-touching-allowed dances.
So, say a dancer works in a place where both kinds of dances are possible and it's up to her to figure out which to do. Tough to do without always giving guys more than they expected or less than they expected.
The local places avoid this confusion by having either a no-touching rule for customers or a "touch away!" free-for-all attitude. But in places where this has to be negotiated each and every time, dancers must feel like they're playing roulette, or a game of "who's the chump?" with each trip to the VIP.
bumrubber
05-31-2009, 07:49 PM
Getting something different than I expect can be really hot. Great dancers probably know how to do this well. Once I had a dancer shy away from grinding, but more than made up for it with some fantastic cuddling. She blew me away with her sweetness. Yes I'll go see her again!
Earl_the_Pearl
05-31-2009, 07:53 PM
I'm not buying more than a dance or two without some form of extra (BJ, HJ, fingering, etc ). Actually I expect that at the bar.