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Casual Observer
08-31-2008, 05:33 AM
The point I am trying to make is that it is my opinion that certain male posters have been practicing long term sycophantic behavior and I was very curious as to why they never get called on it.

For the same reason that people on SW tell fat/ugly girls posting "Am I too fat/ugly to dance?" threads that they're fine and men like all kinds of women.

Opinion is far less desirable than approval. Not just true here at SW, either.

xdamage
08-31-2008, 06:41 AM
Is that really the gist of your point, X? Because you sincerely strike me as a bright guy and that isn't particularly well thought through.:)

Let me answer like this.

The SCs are filled with guys who pay young hotties to "talk" and find their every word fascinating. They don't pay 40+ year old average looking women to talk. Women that they find unattractive they seem to have no interested in. Hmmm... interesting. Over on the blue side I linked an article which is related showing that people find attractive people to be much more interesting then unattractive ones. Again, hmmm.

Could that be our biology at play?

Here is a question: Are you on any internet forums of 40+ year old average looking women? If not, why not? Is it because they don't exist? Is it because 40+ year average looking women are not as interesting as 20 something hotties? For some reason (an obvious one) most men are not interested in even looking for such forums.

Can you imagine most of the guys on this forum feeling such enthusiasm to chat or search out a forum of 40+ year old average women to talk with?

I have been on some forums of 40+ but the type of topics discussed cover different grounds then SW. Still varied, but more tuned to the 40-50 not-so-hot somethings. There is none of the drooling male hormone BLT behavior that we see on SW.

Let me ask a very hard question -

I said the sycophant may be operating innocently. Engaging in behaviors without even being aware of their motives.

So the tough question to ask yourself is, is it possible that even though you honestly believe you are on this site is because the topics are "interesting", that you too, also are ultimately driven by the fact that the majority of women on the site are (probably) young hotties (given that they are dancers)?

Maybe the best way to answer that question is ask the inverse... are you as equally interested in and participatory in sites of predominately average or lesser 40+ women? And if not, maybe it is time to at least ask once, hmmm, why not?

hockeybobby
08-31-2008, 10:51 AM
See, Bobby, I could have joined this site several years ago and sent you a picture of a gal in a 'catholic high school girl in trouble' outfit... how would you know?

Just as long as it's a good picture GR :D Hell, the punkster posted a video of his fave. I don't shoot the messenger, even if it's a dude pretending to be a girl.

Back on topic, here is a thread I made back in the spring: Ass Kissing - Good or Bad? (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112422)

Obviously I was being a little mischievous posting it, and tongue in cheek, but I was surprised by the bitterness about it. When you don't understand something it usually means you don't have all the facts. I didn't take it seriously then, but I eventually learned that being "overly" complimentary, and relatively non-confrontational, combined with posting "too often" can be an explosive combination.

People react to compliments in many ways, based on countless factors. I get that you feel that an insincere compliment is a form of condescension. You then go on to say in effect that there is a small group of people who do this all the time here, and that they are never outed and publicly chastised for this. In real life wouldn't you just ignore them and move on? Why should SW be any different? Does there really need to be an inquisition to go along with every compliment to determine if it is sincere...and then a public flagellation?

With all due respect GR, and this is not intended only for you...I think the motives of a dude hurling charges of ass-kisser at other dudes on this site is at least as interesting as the motives behind a compliment.

Bob_Loblaw
08-31-2008, 12:46 PM
So the question: When guys here get really fawning and overtly, even over the top, tripping over themselves to agree with everything dancers say here, never -ever showing any disagreement with anything a dancers says do you come to the same conclusion I do - That they really don't respect dancers very much because they think you all are too what-ever-it-is they think you are to realize what they are up to?
How about the possibility that some guys actually do agree with some of the points of view from http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/images/misc/Female.gif? It's only natural for people to gravitate to people with common interests and similar points of view.

On the other hand, a lot of people just aren't interested in debating every little thing on this forum that they don't agree with. Is it really THAT important to have your voice heard on an issue that you could care less about personally? Is there any point in entering a debate where your voice isn't wanted? And considering the handle you've chosen for yourself, you should also be familiar with the saying, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."


Conversely, do you realize that it is possible that some of the guys who politely disagree with what you think, or have to say here, are actually the gents who respect you most because they are willing to disagree and take the time to respectfully exchange ideas with you, rather than either ignore what you have to say or simply "yes man" you?
I think I understand what you're trying to say but it isn't worded very well. Just because a person is willing to disagree/debate/argue a point, it doesn't necessarily equate to a sign of respect. If that were the case, mr_punk would clearly be the most respectful blue on SW. (I know you said no names but how else would punk ever get on the pink side?)

Honestly, your question is constructed eerily similar to, "why do nice guys finish last?" IMO. "Why can't she see these losers she dates are only taking advantage of her? Why wont she give a nice guy like me (i.e., someone who truly respects her) a chance?" = "Why can't you see some blues are manipulating you? Why wont you acknowledge I respect you for your intelligence because I try to engage in debate with you?"


BTW, I post this here in Pink, rather than Blue, because only a handful of dancers would see it over there and it is dancers I am curious to here sound off on this [though any an all will, and most surely are, welcome to respond].
If anything, I find it interesting that the majority of respondents in this thread have been male. I also think you're taking SW far too seriously for a blue. It's just the internet.

Edited to add:
I should also add that custies are no more than guests in this forum. Why would I as a guest want to piss off my host? That's just rude and disrespectful. A http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/images/misc/Male.gif should know his place in SW, be on his best behavior and keep his mouth shut more often than not. Pinks would be more tolerant of blues and blues would be vilified less if this were the case.

Golden_Rule
09-01-2008, 12:27 AM
Let me answer like this.

The SCs are filled with guys who pay young hotties to "talk" and find their every word fascinating. They don't pay 40+ year old average looking women to talk. Women that they find unattractive they seem to have no interested in. Hmmm... interesting. Over on the blue side I linked an article which is related showing that people find attractive people to be much more interesting then unattractive ones. Again, hmmm.

Could be me but that seems so shallow.

First of all, as I have said any number of times, I'll never pay anyone to talk to me. My company is an even swap for the same from anyone else. I'll pay a pretty woman for access to her person as trade off compensation for what she would be socially entitled to for that access that I am unwilling to provide. [IOW, socially there is an unspoken agreement that sex is part of a dating relationship that has encumbrances on both parties... I wish to forgo those emcumberances so I offer something else instead as replacement compensation].

And ideas, which are all you get from someone on a website, have nothing to do with how someone looks. Could be a kid, could be male or female, could be Stephen Hawkings, could be ... whatever. It comes down to the merits of the notions being presented. If a guy is willing to give credence to ideas, or cut them off, simple because he PERCEIVES [since he can't truly know] they come from a pretty young woman... that says mountains about the Dude in question in my book.

Besides, just in general, its PEOPLE first, then anything else that defines them as what kind of person some place after that. It not only helps me keep from making an ass out of myself it keeps me a fair and balanced [not like Fox News :) ] individual.


Here is a question: Are you on any internet forums of 40+ year old average looking women?

Sure I am. Epinion for one [there are others]. Lots of everyday folks on that site. Including lots of 40+ year old women.


Is it because 40+ year average looking women are not as interesting as 20 something hotties?

They are every bit as interesting, unless what you are specifically looking for is sex with young women. But why is ANY guy on StripperWeb looking for sex with young women through their interactions on this site? That's my point. Web sites are about exchanging ideas, because that is the most prominent part of a person that makes it through the TV tube, or flat panel, on the other side. You don't see the body. You might see what they represent as a body, but that could be BS. You see what the person presents of their intellect and that's about it. So why the great emphasis on the corporal being? That doesn't make any sense. At least it doesn't to me.


For some reason (an obvious one) most men are not interested in even looking for such forums.

Can you imagine most of the guys on this forum feeling such enthusiasm to chat or search out a forum of 40+ year old average women to talk with?

Its the topic matter that brings me here. Strip-clubs as a microcosm of our society are fascinating bits of business. So much going on, so much to talk about. The fact that means the people involved in the exchanges are going to be young women, because they are the strippers, and their customers is incidental and tangent to the topic.

In fact I think it would be VERY interesting if 40+ year old women showed up and had their say about what they think about strip-clubs, the dancers, their S.O.'s, etc. I am sure what they would have to say would be interesting and they have as much right to their opinion on the topics we speak about here as anyone else. I just wouldn't think it would be workable since I doubt many of them would keep their cool for very long.



Let me ask a very hard question -

I said the sycophant may be operating innocently. Engaging in behaviors without even being aware of their motives.

So the tough question to ask yourself is, is it possible that even though you honestly believe you are on this site is because the topics are "interesting", that you too, also are ultimately driven by the fact that the majority of women on the site are (probably) young hotties (given that they are dancers)?

No. I can honestly say it isn't. Like I said, it is the topic matter that interests me. The prettiness of women only is a concern to me when practical access to it is within arms reach and I sense availability. Access is limited, at best hardly available, and certainly not practical so its a non-issue. I don't even think about getting laid off this board.

The only thing I think about regarding this board is exchanging ideas, notions, and small talk with people who, like me, have an interest in strip-clubs and what goes on within them.


Maybe the best way to answer that question is ask the inverse... are you as equally interested in and participatory in sites of predominately average or lesser 40+ women? And if not, maybe it is time to at least ask once, hmmm, why not?

Asked and answered, but once again, for the record: This is one of any number of sites I participate in. I am interested in all sorts of people. Strip-club folks are just one of them. I group people as just that, people first - before anything else. My only interest in the corporal vestige of strippers is when they are both up close and available. The strippers of SW are neither up close or available so I don't think about them that way. It would be a waste of time and energy and I don't waste resources like that.

I'm can hang from chandeliers with the best of them, but push comes to shove I am a very practical man and I deal with things in practical ways. Besides being shallow to only be interested in the women of SW because they MAY be [again, who knows] young and pretty it is absolutely impractical.

I hope no insult is taken at the latter... I still think you are a very bright fellow. Just not particularly correct in your POV on this. Which doesn't mean you aren't totally free to think I am totally incorrect in mine. ;)

wishing well...

Golden_Rule
09-01-2008, 12:34 AM
In real life wouldn't you just ignore them and move on? Why should SW be any different? Does there really need to be an inquisition to go along with every compliment to determine if it is sincere...and then a public flagellation?

Let me correct a misunderstanding.

I totally think the right thing to do is ignore them and move on.

They either "get it" or they don't at that point.

No, what I point out is that they are not only NOT ignored... they are some of the favorite male posters on the Pink side. Frequently the only ones not chastised for posting in certain areas, etc.

Like I said, the behavior is unusual and it is the fact that it is an UNUSUAL sponse that brings forth the question because I'd like to understand the strange paradigm?


With all due respect GR, and this is not intended only for you...I think the motives of a dude hurling charges of ass-kisser at other dudes on this site is at least as interesting as the motives behind a compliment.

No problem with that, Bobby. It's all grist for the mill. Myself included. My motives are just what I said they are though. Curiosity about how people work and play together [human dynamics]. That's all.

wishing well...

Golden_Rule
09-01-2008, 12:41 AM
How about the possibility that some guys actually do agree with some of the points of view from http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/images/misc/Female.gif? It's only natural for people to gravitate to people with common interests and similar points of view.

On the other hand, a lot of people just aren't interested in debating every little thing on this forum that they don't agree with. Is it really THAT important to have your voice heard on an issue that you could care less about personally? Is there any point in entering a debate where your voice isn't wanted? And considering the handle you've chosen for yourself, you should also be familiar with the saying, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."


I think I understand what you're trying to say but it isn't worded very well. Just because a person is willing to disagree/debate/argue a point, it doesn't necessarily equate to a sign of respect. If that were the case, mr_punk would clearly be the most respectful blue on SW. (I know you said no names but how else would punk ever get on the pink side?)

It is clear to me from the above that you actually don't get what I am driving at. Like you said, it might be the way I worded it in my initial post. I trust as the thread has evolved you are clearer on it.

I am not addressing guys who simply agree with what dancers have to say, do or don't think it is important to have a voice heard here, or entering a place where their voice isn't wanted. Most people recognize fawning behavior when they see it, so understand it is ONLY overtly obsequious behavior I am making a reference to here.

wishing well...

yoda57us
09-01-2008, 05:43 AM
It's behavior that falls outside the norms. The norm in this case being that behavior of the type discribed usually gets called out, if not openly berated. Yet this goes unchallanged, which suggests both sides are getting something out of it.

I'm just wondering what the hell it could be because its not readily apparent on its surface. Which, as I said, makes it interesting. At least to me, anyway.


I would submit that it goes unchallenged because most of us don't take it that seriously in the context of an open chat board whose participants are pretty much total strangers. Now, that doesn't mean that people don't know it's going on. As a member here for many years I have, through PM's and private emails, shared many conversations with other members who see right through the BS and don't really think very highly of those who perpetrate it.

I have to disagree with you GR, I think the answer is very apparent. It's just not that big of a deal.

xdamage
09-01-2008, 07:23 AM
Could be me but that seems so shallow.
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[clipped out a bunch as our replies are getting too long]

I hope no insult is taken at the latter... I still think you are a very bright fellow. Just not particularly correct in your POV on this. Which doesn't mean you aren't totally free to think I am totally incorrect in mine. ;)

wishing well...

No insult taken. Here is the article I linked on blue but you can find plenty of others.

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1685185&postcount=40

http://www.viewzone.com/faces.html

""Besides being popular, beautiful people get special attention from teachers, the legal system and employers. Good-looking people tend to make more money than their plain-Jane counterparts,...""

This is just one of many articles (summarizing research) that increasingly show us that beauty is not just in the eye of the beholder, and humans statistically do tend to find beautiful people much more interesting then their unattractive counterparts.

Is it shallow? Tough to say. It appears to be human nature, which is to say the common case. Of course most human nature exists on bell curves with other extremes to be found, but still the common case is where you'll find the majority. You maybe on the exceptional end of the curve, but on the other end of the bell curve are men who have zero interest in what older less attractive women are saying. Still, if you add up all of the people in the middle plus those who only respond to attractive women, that puts men who do not in the majority.

Me, I am very aware that when I am around attractive women my bodies and brains chemicals turn on, like a drug, I feel more receptive, more interested. This is my human nature, 100s of millions of year old genetics at play. Is it shallow? I have accepted it is normal, like salivating when presented with good food, it is why my biology does. It is a part of me, and I see no reason to deny it.

I do try not to let it get the best of me. I don't pay to just talk in SCs. I do often just talk to the older non-attractive women at bars because it turns out they really do have interesting things to say. I do participate in forums where statistically the women are older (wiser? haha!) and I'm guessing not so hot anymore.

Still, all of that said, part of the draw to SW/SCJ is the hotties. Inside of me, like most guys, is a man who is attracted to hot women. I can pretend it isn't so, but it is. It doesn't mean I will say anything just to be agreeable, but the hotties are part of the draw to this site for my inner guy. If that is shallow then I am shallow.

Enjoy...

Dirty Ernie
09-01-2008, 09:11 AM
As a special request, please only answer the question if you can do it without making a snide remark out of it.



In other words if it were a site full of individuals other than "particularly strippers" you wouldn't feel the need to be "ingratiating"?

Did you really think that through, and its implication, before you wrote it?

The statement referenced above:

I tend to think it's not an effort to manipulate, but rather an attempt to ingratiate, particurlarly on a net mb full of strippers.

I find the thread title and the body of the OP in conflict. Condescension is from a superior position and sycophants or BLTs operate from an inferior position.

As for my above statement, I think it's pretty benign. Care to clarify (anyone?) what is implied in that statement? You referenced it as a freudian slip, and I'm aware of what that means, however I haven't read any Freud so please feel free to edify me on this.

I will attempt to restate it in greater depth.

I think manipulation has some sort of pre-determined goal which is being worked toward, while a sycophant's or BLT's goal is to maintain the position itself. Positioned by their very definition (at one's feet) they will take any crumbs that fall to them. If an opportunity for benefit presents itself, they want to be in position to accept it, regardless of the particulars of the benefit. The best way to maintain their position is to ingratiate themselves to those from whom they seek those opportunities.

Again , anyone care to enlighten me if there are implications in this that I have failed to see? Are my definitions too narrow and rigid?

An example of manipulation on the other hand, would be like, starting a thread under the guise of "human dynamics", and attempt to make the women aware of a behavior you disapprove of (BLT tolerance) and hope they will alter that behavior and transfer some of that tolerance (affection?) to another group (respectful arguers?) to which you just happen to belong.






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Golden_Rule
09-02-2008, 01:36 AM
No insult taken. Here is the article I linked on blue but you can find plenty of others.

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1685185&postcount=40

http://www.viewzone.com/faces.html

""Besides being popular, beautiful people get special attention from teachers, the legal system and employers. Good-looking people tend to make more money than their plain-Jane counterparts,...""

This is just one of many articles (summarizing research) that increasingly show us that beauty is not just in the eye of the beholder, and humans statistically do tend to find beautiful people much more interesting then their unattractive counterparts.

Is it shallow? Tough to say. It appears to be human nature, which is to say the common case. Of course most human nature exists on bell curves with other extremes to be found, but still the common case is where you'll find the majority. You maybe on the exceptional end of the curve, but on the other end of the bell curve are men who have zero interest in what older less attractive women are saying. Still, if you add up all of the people in the middle plus those who only respond to attractive women, that puts men who do not in the majority.

Me, I am very aware that when I am around attractive women my bodies and brains chemicals turn on, like a drug, I feel more receptive, more interested. This is my human nature, 100s of millions of year old genetics at play. Is it shallow? I have accepted it is normal, like salivating when presented with good food, it is why my biology does. It is a part of me, and I see no reason to deny it.

I do try not to let it get the best of me. I don't pay to just talk in SCs. I do often just talk to the older non-attractive women at bars because it turns out they really do have interesting things to say. I do participate in forums where statistically the women are older (wiser? haha!) and I'm guessing not so hot anymore.

Still, all of that said, part of the draw to SW/SCJ is the hotties. Inside of me, like most guys, is a man who is attracted to hot women. I can pretend it isn't so, but it is. It doesn't mean I will say anything just to be agreeable, but the hotties are part of the draw to this site for my inner guy. If that is shallow then I am shallow.

Enjoy...

I don't see though how that applies, logically anyway, to a website situation where anyone could be anyone and all you truly get to see are the WORDS being expressed.

BTW, I would hope that people being people first to me, before anything else, helped make me a good cop. I'd hear what people had to say unbiased by whether they were pretty, ugly, young, old, White, Black, etc and so forth.

Golden_Rule
09-02-2008, 01:47 AM
I find the thread title and the body of the OP in conflict. Condescension is from a superior position and sycophants or BLTs operate from an inferior position.

That isn't true at all. Many sycophants inwardly marvel at the superiority of their mind in manipulating their target with abandon and ease. They consider themselves ultimimately superior, even while pretending to be otherwise to cover their activities.


As for my above statement, I think it's pretty benign. Care to clarify (anyone?) what is implied in that statement? You referenced it as a freudian slip, and I'm aware of what that means, however I haven't read any Freud so please feel free to edify me on this.

Sure thing.


I tend to think it's not an effort to manipulate, but rather an attempt to ingratiate, particurlarly on a net mb full of strippers.

The statement lends itself to be interpreted as the only reason to ingratiate yourself to any of the females on this site is because they are strippers, and by implication thereof young and attractive.

If the reason you choose to ingratiate yourself to someone is simply because they are young and attractive that doesn't say much for any other attributes they might possess that might be a better reason, on a website anyway, to insinuate yourself in their good graces. Like, perhaps, they are interesting because they have interesting things to say, rather than they have youthful tits and ass.

I'm not suggesting youthful beauty is a bad thing, or not to be desired by men. I desire it myself. I just don't do so on websites where how someone looks has nothing to do with anything. Websites are about WORDS and IDEAS.


An example of manipulation on the other hand, would be like, starting a thread under the guise of "human dynamics", and attempt to make the women aware of a behavior you disapprove of (BLT tolerance) and hope they will alter that behavior and transfer some of that tolerance (affection?) to another group (respectful arguers?) to which you just happen to belong.

Sure, if you think I believe that the people here are so weak willed that my simply starting a thread could sway them in some way. I think we have ample evidence that is hardly the case. In fact, some might argue that the quickest way for public sentiment to move in one direction around here is to have me post a thread in favor of the opposite position. :)

I started it for the reason I said I did... because I am curious enough about it to find it interesting and thought others might too.

Perry
09-02-2008, 02:41 AM
This is condesending - Which is it? (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119875) Did you need medication before or after you started stripping?

This is too - How often are we looking for extas? (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113661) How many whores can I get or would I be hoping for in a strip club?

This is flat out infsalting - Lap dance till completion (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114934) Wanting to know how many other males use women to masturbate.

And there are more.

You clearly dislike dancers. Don't pull that "I just like people" and want a fair debate nonsence when you already have us nervouse of you for posting offensesive threads like the above. By all means, pick my post apart and only include my input that is attacking you, or you can argue with. I don't think you're interested in anyone at all, honestly.

I think you're just getting butt hurt that guys who post nice things like how they enjoy girls who dance to rock music, wear school girl outfits, tell jokes or have red hair or whatever are appreciated around here. They're nice, they're our customers, and they don't treat us like shit. That's why we like them. They aren't BLTs or ass-kisser or what ever you're driving at. They are men with money who like to spend it on strippers!! Those are the only people we are incline to be kind to in or outside the club.

FUCK!! Stripping aside, I'm only nice to people in realitation that they were nice to me. Don't call it anything it isn't.

Jenny
09-02-2008, 06:02 AM
Sure, if you think I believe that the people here are so weak willed that my simply starting a thread could sway them in some way. I think we have ample evidence that is hardly the case. In fact, some might argue that the quickest way for public sentiment to move in one direction around here is to have me post a thread in favor of the opposite position. :)
Except I think maybe he was talking about your likely motivations not our likely reactions. I don't think he was making any comment on anyone's strength of will

I started it for the reason I said I did... because I am curious enough about it to find it interesting and thought others might too.Well, I'm sure you'll forgive the rest of us who see a different kind of pattern to your posts.

Dirty Ernie
09-02-2008, 07:44 AM
The statement lends itself to be interpreted as the only reason to ingratiate yourself to any of the females on this site is because they are strippers, and by implication thereof young and attractive.

If the reason you choose to ingratiate yourself to someone is simply because they are young and attractive that doesn't say much for any other attributes they might possess that might be a better reason, on a website anyway, to insinuate yourself in their good graces. Like, perhaps, they are interesting because they have interesting things to say, rather than they have youthful tits and ass.

I'm not suggesting youthful beauty is a bad thing, or not to be desired by men. I desire it myself. I just don't do so on websites where how someone looks has nothing to do with anything. Websites are about WORDS and IDEAS.

This is not an implication of my statement, it's the very essence of it. I don't understand your indignation over it, and I doubt Freud himself could find anything to analyze in it.

We are talking about what you consider to be a subset of men here on this site, right? The guys on this site, as a whole, have 1 thing in common; all,with a few exceptions, have already shown a propensity to spend money on strippers IRL Why wouldn't you think some would seek the same sort of good feelings found there here, regardless that it's just a website?

One difference between the club and SW is, in the club the prospect of dancers getting one's money insulates a customer from rejection. And I think that aspect is very appealing to some custies. Here that sort of insulation must be garnered in another way, and I think some guys believe the best way to achieve that is through positive interaction with the base of SW. I would not term this as a sycophant.

I mean, the very name of this place implies hot, young women. If Pryce changed the name here and google returned a search for hot women with a site called Plumber's Crack Message Board and Pics, would you even look at it? It would still be the same women here, but I doubt the name would make you feel the need to rush in here to exchange words and ideas. Just sayin.

doc-catfish
09-02-2008, 08:13 AM
I've been here almost six years now, and it never fails to amaze me how so many people here over that time have gotten up in arms about the content of these forums. Even moreso when said complainant wasn't even a stripper.

xdamage
09-02-2008, 03:56 PM
I don't see though how that applies, logically anyway, to a website situation where anyone could be anyone and all you truly get to see are the WORDS being expressed.


It is matter of probability more then absolutes.

Stripperweb draws strippers, which by definitions, tend to be hotties, at least when adorned in stripper garb and playing the part.

If it was a website for dealing with aging parents, I'd know approximately the type of age range of the people involved, and know from my everyday experiences most of us at that age aren't so hot.

None of us know for sure what others look like, but guys know the probabilities are that the majority of women on this site are hotties.




BTW, I would hope that people being people first to me, before anything else, helped make me a good cop. I'd hear what people had to say unbiased by whether they were pretty, ugly, young, old, White, Black, etc and so forth.

FWIW there are a lot of interesting topics on SW and lots of interesting people. So if it was only hot women it would grow boring fast here, but the hot women is a draw for me. It is why I go to SCs after all. I could say it wasn't in my nature to be drawn to attractive women, but it is ... in many ways, attractive women are one of the very best parts of life to me.

rlams2000
09-02-2008, 05:51 PM
Looking through this thread I thought I was on the Blue side for a moment.

Golden_Rule
09-02-2008, 07:53 PM
This is condesending - Which is it? (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119875) Did you need medication before or after you started stripping?

This is too - How often are we looking for extas? (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113661) How many whores can I get or would I be hoping for in a strip club?

This is flat out infsalting - Lap dance till completion (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114934) Wanting to know how many other males use women to masturbate.

And there are more.

If you are trying to suggest that I have been condescending to dancers here those threads will provide you no evidence of it.

Anyone who actually takes the time to read them will see that.


You clearly dislike dancers. Don't pull that "I just like people" and want a fair debate nonsence when you already have us nervouse of you for posting offensesive threads like the above. By all means, pick my post apart and only include my input that is attacking you, or you can argue with. I don't think you're interested in anyone at all, honestly.

I shouldn't have to say this but I think it is quite obvious that I don't like, or dislike, anyone based upon how they make a living.

If I can make you nervous you get nervous far too easily. The only people who should be nervous of me are those that mean me harm. I doubt anyone here means me any harm, so there should be no one here nervous of me. As for the dancers I know personally, and there are many of them, I highly doubt any of them are nervous of me as I have never given any of them cause to be.

What I think you actually mean is that you don't like what I have to say. Fine, you certainly have that right. But coming across as you are above just sounds angry and malevolent. Perhaps it is YOU we ought to be nervous about? :)


I think you're just getting butt hurt that guys who post nice things like how they enjoy girls who dance to rock music, wear school girl outfits, tell jokes or have red hair or whatever are appreciated around here. They're nice, they're our customers, and they don't treat us like shit. That's why we like them. They aren't BLTs or ass-kisser or what ever you're driving at. They are men with money who like to spend it on strippers!! Those are the only people we are incline to be kind to in or outside the club.

I promise you there is nothing that can happen on a website, short of someone posting my name and address on it, that could cause me to be "butt hurt" in any way. I am simply not at all that thin skinned. I was a cop in NYC for 25 years for gawd sake. I've been called every name in the book, more than once, spit on and quite worse. You can't have done that for a living, survived, and be thinned skinned. :)


FUCK!! Stripping aside, I'm only nice to people in realitation that they were nice to me. Don't call it anything it isn't.

I am, at least professionally, frequently nicer to people than they are to me. I know I am far more tolerant than average, based on what I see from other people in general.

Golden_Rule
09-02-2008, 07:56 PM
Well, I'm sure you'll forgive the rest of us who see a different kind of pattern to your posts.

You can, and will, believe anything you want to believe. I will hold out, and I believe with some accuracy to the statement, that the expert on myself and my motivations is me.

Golden_Rule
09-02-2008, 08:00 PM
I've been here almost six years now, and it never fails to amaze me how so many people here over that time have gotten up in arms about the content of these forums. Even moreso when said complainant wasn't even a stripper.

If you are including me in that please re-examine what i said.

I not "up in arms" at all, just curious so I asked a question, which is how one resolves being curious [by finding answers].

The people who are upset seem to be the ones taking umbrage at my being curious and asking questions.

Golden_Rule
09-02-2008, 08:09 PM
FWIW there are a lot of interesting topics on SW and lots of interesting people. So if it was only hot women it would grow boring fast here, but the hot women is a draw for me. It is why I go to SCs after all. I could say it wasn't in my nature to be drawn to attractive women, but it is ... in many ways, attractive women are one of the very best parts of life to me.

I suppose, but for me its the old "right tool for the right job" sort of thing.

So while I'd go to a strip-club to see pretty women I wouldn't go to a website about stripping, populated by strippers or not, for that purpose. For me its like trying to drive a nail with a screwdriver.

I go to any site because I am interested in the topic matter and willing to spend a little time perusing other peoples' comments and make a few of my own.

But I am NOT saying guys who come here to do precisely what you are talking about are fawning, BLT, yes men. Just the small handful who lip smack their way across these pages doing what they do specifically to try and get into the pants of the dancers present.

I simply asked, because I was genuinely curious, that 1) Since there are actually no pants to get into - its a website - why would they do that; and 2) Again, I was just curious as to why, since dancers have stated they hate guys trying to get into their pants face to face over and over again, why they wouldn't call out such behavior taking place here.

Anyway...

This is becoming redundant and I suppose I've gotten as much legit feedback out of this thread as there is to be mined. I appreciate anyone who took the time to engage themselves in the dialog. Even if what was contributed to it was more heat than light and pointed in my direction. Special thanks to anyone who took it seriously and tried to add insight of any kind. Xdamage, special thanks as always to you.

Wishing well...

doc-catfish
09-02-2008, 09:17 PM
If you are including me in that please re-examine what i said.
Oh, I wasn't talking about you GR. Your observations on the bewildering nuances of this message board are spot on.
:great:

^^
And I really mean that. (Or maybe I'm just being a sycophant).


poke > :bear: < poke
^
poke

hockeybobby
09-02-2008, 09:36 PM
This thread has has given me a serious jones for one of these:

http://estrip.org/elmwood/users/lilho/images/0205/lg_blt1855.jpg

Golden_Rule
09-03-2008, 01:03 AM
Oh, I wasn't talking about you GR. Your observations on the bewildering nuances of this message board are spot on.


I always figure if you want to know something, ask. I'm retarded like that. I guess it is the result of my having too many teachers tell me, "There is no such thing as a stupid question, G_R." [you see, even back then they called me G_R :) ]


^^
(Or maybe I'm just being a sycophant).[/SIZE]


poke > :bear: < poke
^
poke

That was funny.

Nah... You'd have to want something from me I could give you. There is nothing that I have, I am sure, that you want so what would be the point? :) [small poke back, but the appreciation for your words just as sincerely meant]

Golden_Rule
09-03-2008, 01:03 AM
This thread has has given me a serious jones for one of these:

http://estrip.org/elmwood/users/lilho/images/0205/lg_blt1855.jpg

That was funnier though. Thanks for the chuckle. You have a great sense of humor.

yoda57us
09-03-2008, 02:59 AM
I always figure if you want to know something, ask. I'm retarded like that. I guess it is the result of my having too many teachers tell me, "There is no such thing as a stupid question, G_R." [you see, even back then they called me G_R :) ]


Actually my teachers always told me that the only stupid question is the one that you don't ask...

xdamage
09-03-2008, 03:06 PM
But I am NOT saying guys who come here to do precisely what you are talking about are fawning, BLT, yes men. Just the small handful who lip smack their way across these pages doing what they do specifically to try and get into the pants of the dancers present.

Let me end with this then. I find extreme ass-kissers to be like parasites, always looking for scraps, apparently shameless. I can only guess somewhere in the back of their brains they hope somewhere out there someone desperate will respond to their sucking up. And I guess it works, or at worst, they never get the message it doesn't.

The irony is while women may allow it to go on, and on rare occasion fall for it, I think most also know a spineless man when they see one. They may openly encourage the sniveling, even get a kick of out of the ego stroking, but I'd gamble for most, the BLT is the last type of man on earth they would ever fall for emotionally. But hey, the BLT would be content with a mercy fuck or even a nice little pat on the head like a good doggy.

hockeybobby
09-04-2008, 02:59 PM
^^^Wow, that's some serious venom you've got going on there X. I shudder to think of how you'd treat a dude who insults women here...or worse, a dude who would suck-up to a dude who insults women here.
I'm sure you'd give guys like THAT a nasty taunting. ;)

bem401
09-04-2008, 03:48 PM
Actually my teachers always told me that the only stupid question is the one that you don't ask...

Acxtually, Yoda, speaking as a teacher, there are plenty of stupid questions asked of me everyday. In fact, I once had a student who prefaced every question with " Mister, I have a stupid question.....". I think he was just trying to label it stupid before someone else did. I used to tell my students " It's your job to ask me stupid questions. That's why I'm here".

Jay Zeno
09-04-2008, 03:51 PM
I preferred the instruction, "Don't be afraid to ask stupid questions. They're easier to handle than stupid mistakes."

yoda57us
09-04-2008, 04:51 PM
Acxtually, Yoda, speaking as a teacher, there are plenty of stupid questions asked of me everyday. In fact, I once had a student who prefaced every question with " Mister, I have a stupid question.....". I think he was just trying to label it stupid before someone else did. I used to tell my students " It's your job to ask me stupid questions. That's why I'm here".

Um, ok...and that is relevant because?

xdamage
09-04-2008, 04:53 PM
^^^Wow, that's some serious venom you've got going on there X. I shudder to think of how you'd treat a dude who insults women here...or worse, a dude who would suck-up to a dude who insults women here.
I'm sure you'd give guys like THAT a nasty taunting. ;)

If you mean GR, I don't think GR is trying to be insulting. I do see his words being twisted often by group mentalty, to make him look like a villain, but that is SW and the mobs do that here. In fact maybe one reason they do it is to make themselves look better, a friend vs the bad villain guy? Oh yes, us people do things like that in groups to get ahead.

But it is not just me who says there is a pattern of mob think on SW. Go take a look at Charlie61's thread. It ended with just that point.

I just think GR sees things from a certain POV yet I don't see malice in his comments. I don't agree always, but he is not explicitly insulting anyone just to be insulting. Nor is he explicitly going out of his way to be complimentary either.

A few of the guys here have been explitily insulting, and seemed to enjoy it. The crowd takes care of them fine. They are obvious and easily spotted by the majority.

The BLTs though slip under the radar much like sociopaths and certain other personality types do. They can be manipulative, but like sociopaths, they are so damn sneaky about it that the masses often don't see what is going on. The masses are charmed by them. The minority sees them as the sneaky manipulators they are. They need to be called out because the majority doesn't do it automatically.

hockeybobby
09-04-2008, 07:12 PM
If you mean GR, I don't think GR is trying to be insulting. I do see his words being twisted often by group mentalty, to make him look like a villain, but that is SW and the mobs do that here. In fact maybe one reason they do it is to make themselves look better, a friend vs the bad villain guy? Oh yes, us people do things like that in groups to get ahead.

But it is not just me who says there is a pattern of mob think on SW. Go take a look at Charlie61's thread. It ended with just that point.

I just think GR sees things from a certain POV yet I don't see malice in his comments. I don't agree always, but he is not explicitly insulting anyone just to be insulting. Nor is he explicitly going out of his way to be complimentary either.

A few of the guys here have been explitily insulting, and seemed to enjoy it. The crowd takes care of them fine. They are obvious and easily spotted by the majority.

The BLTs though slip under the radar much like sociopaths and certain other personality types do. They can be manipulative, but like sociopaths, they are so damn sneaky about it that the masses often don't see what is going on. The masses are charmed by them. The minority sees them as the sneaky manipulators they are. They need to be called out because the majority doesn't do it automatically.

No X, I am not making reference to GR, simply affirming that, in my opinion there is male behaviour here on SW that is more worthy of the invective. But having used words like "manipulaters, sociopaths, sneaky, parasites, shameless, spineless, snivelling", I don't think I'll be changing your mind about it anytime soon lol.

But what are we talking about here? If we stipulate that all of us dudes, more or less have the same motive for being here as you do (hot chicks), then it is the method of interacting you take issue with. It's not even the method really, because you compliment, and/or agree with the dancers from time to time. It's the "too much" part...the "extreme" thing that is what you are crucifying the so called BLT for. It's a question of degree isn't it? And for doing something that is perfectly acceptable, "too much", in your opinion, you are hurling that much criticism.....

So, that's why I'm putting it out there...on a support site for strippers, how is it that dudes being too agreeable or complimentary is worth that kind of bitterness? Isn't being too critical or disagreeable or insulting or even blatantly condescending of strippers a more sinister offense?

xdamage
09-04-2008, 07:23 PM
But what are we talking about here? If we stipulate that all of us dudes, more or less have the same motive for being here as you do (hot chicks), then it is the method of interacting you take issue with. It's not even the method really, because you compliment, and/or agree with the dancers from time to time. It's the "too much" part...the "extreme" thing that is what you are crucifying the so called BLT for. It's a question of degree isn't it? And for doing something that is perfectly acceptable, "too much", in your opinion, you are hurling that much criticism.....



It is indeed about extremes.

If you ever look up personality disorders, the interesting thing is that for the most part the definition of them basically is that every behavior listed is perfectly normal, to a degree. A personality disorder is not a diagnose like a compound fracture, where the break is clearly visible. The fracture is more or less black and white matter to diagnose but the personality disorder is not.

So in a sense, there is a little narcissist in us all. A little sociopath. A little borderline. But when patterns of behavior go to extremes, then it becomes increasingly a problem.



So, that's why I'm putting it out there...on a support site for strippers, how is it that dudes being too agreeable or complimentary is worth that kind of bitterness? Isn't being too critical or disagreeable or insulting or even blatantly condescending of strippers a more sinister offense?

Because part of what they need support from (or due too) is males who spend 8+ hours a day trying to manipulate them to get into their undies. When you got spanked by the group, it was not for being too nice. It was because they have men constantly who will say anything to gain favor with them. That is harmful and if you can't see why, you need to put yourself in their shoes.

Plus, they don't need support from us. I had some serious issues of my own to deal with due to a parent. I really did not want some random person offering me support. I did want it from people who had been through what I had been through. Their support comes from a common understanding of what we both have been through. For some random person to do it, worse someone who is doing it with ulterior motives (e.g., to get a mercy fuck) is the worst kind of slimy. It is clear and obviously NOT something they are doing for me, but rather for them. Go away. That is the last thing I wanted is to be conned for money or sex or favors or whatever, using my misery as a leverage point.

Jenny
09-05-2008, 01:00 AM
I think the dude just meant that it was sort of funny that you got so incensed about guys who compliment the chicks too much because they are bad people manipulating dancers but you accept other kinds of condescension and sheer nastiness with perfect equanimity and even amusement.

There is something a little amusing about guys getting all worked up about why and how other guys are getting approval here. I mean - this whole thread (GR's claim to the contrary notwithstanding) is pretty much "Can't you all see how wrong you are to value male viewpoints that aren't mine? I am the one who truly understands you stripperweb ladies." It's like you all think you have some kind of proprietary ownership over the girls here and have to flex your muscles to try to intimidate the competition over whatever level of stripperweb approval you have or think you deserve. So far as I can see this is not so different from the behaviours being criticized - I mean, rather than trying to get approval by being nice and agreeable you are trying by casting aspersions on other people.

Golden_Rule
09-05-2008, 01:47 AM
If we stipulate that all of us dudes, more or less have the same motive for being here as you do (hot chicks)...

That is precisely the point HB.

Why would anyone be here for hot chicks? Its not a strip-club. You can't see them. You can't touch them.

You can listen to what they have to say. So what you seem to mean is you are here for hot chicks' words and ideas? Why? Their ideas wouldn't be interesting if they weren't hot chicks? There is something about the fact that a hot chick is typing them that makes them hotter than other words on your monitor?

Websites are just words. Ideas. You come here because you want to exchange them and find the topic matter interesting.

{scratching head} If you want hotness you go to where the hotness is. There is no "hotness" on a website.

I'm sorry, I'm just not going to get it because I don't see the logic in it, only the lack of it. It just makes no sense to me.

The BLTs don't get that. They think they are going to actually get something from these dancers other than an exchange of words. So they 'yes mame' and join in the cat calls if the group think jumps on someone, when you see them talking on blue and saying something totally different over there. They aren't being genuine. They aren't being honest. They are trying to get over because, for some strange reason, they think there is something to be gained by it [I don't presume they are doing it for nothing - it just turns out to be nothing when all is said and done, at least 99.9% of the time I would imagine, at any rate].

Like I said, most times people trying to get over are called on it. Especially when they try to pull it on folks who have people trying to get over on them all the time, as dancers do, and are very use to recognizing it and pointing it out as it goes by. So I was just curious as to why that wouldn't be the case on this website as well.

In other words [listening Jenny] I saw a pattern of behavior that was unusual based on my experience so, simply to understand it better and maybe learn a little something, I asked about it directly of the people participating in it.

NO VALUE JUDGEMENTS. NO HIDDEN AGENDA. NO ATTEMPTS TO FORM OPINION.

Just curiosity and a desire to feed it and not need to be curious about it anymore because I had the answer.

Anyway... I didn't get much. I still don't know why dancers [usually experts in telling when a guy is trying to get into their panties] either don't seem to see this behavior, of if they do they tolerate it, when they say -and I know they don't -tolerate this behavior in face to face situations. And I don't know why guys do it either, since the percentage of successful guys getting into knickers around here simply from interaction on the website has to be infinitesimally small [if at all].

All I am left is a brand new question, which is why are guys who aren't BLTs attracted to this site ONLY because pretty women are on it. Now I didn't say the ONLY part, it was said directly by a couple of guys who seem quite decent fellows to me and intimated by a couple of others.

I could see if it were, "I came here to exchange words and ideas AND it doesn't hurt that many of them I presume to be pretty women", [its sort of useless for the purpose of a website but I understand it] but ONLY? If that is the only reason why not simply forgo the website and just go to the club where you can actually see them, if not also touch, etc. If "hotness" is the only reason to be here I would think that would be a much more efficent use of the time? It just, as I said, doesn't make sense to me.

Sorry for the rehash.

Golden_Rule
09-05-2008, 02:01 AM
I mean - this whole thread (GR's claim to the contrary notwithstanding) is pretty much "Can't you all see how wrong you are to value male viewpoints that aren't mine?

I said nothing of the sort. Never meant anything of the sort. And will never mean anything of the sort.

Go ahead, please, and once again tell me that you know better than *I* what *I* mean. Tell me again the thoughts inside my head. Please, because I mean I really don't have a clue. I've only been carrying it around on my shoulders over five decades so I absolutely need you to explain how I think. ::)

Talk about condescending! Thinking YOU know better what someone is about than themselves.

How for someone so smart... I don't believe your arrogance sometimes. You truly take the cake.

mutter-mutter-mutter {G_R walks away muttering to himself under his breath due to utter frustration}

xdamage
09-05-2008, 02:36 AM
It's like you all think you have some kind of proprietary ownership over the girls here and have to flex your muscles to try to intimidate the competition over whatever level of stripperweb approval you have or think you deserve. So far as I can see this is not so different from the behaviours being criticized


Pot yes others are black, like if someone wrote.. "It's like you, Jenny, think you have some kind of proprietary ownership over the entire site, and have to flex your muscles to try to intimidate others ... etc... " and what do you know, in fact you have been told just that on the blue side more then once by me and some others.

But the question is not if you do it sometimes, or if we customers do it sometimes, but to what degree it is done.



- I mean, rather than trying to get approval by being nice and agreeable you are trying by casting aspersions on other people.

If I had seen you step in and stop the spanking HB took I would take this concern more seriously. You did not which means you either allowed it because you enjoyed it, or you think the customers should follow a different standard.

I would suggest re-read history. Hockeyboy for example got spanked on SW by many of the dancers before GR created this thread. When it came time for person of the week, he got raped for the BLT behavior. Most of the other guys have not. This is historical fact. You can also go re-read some of blue where BLT behavior has been discussed before. This extreme behavior has been raised both by customers and dancers. This means people do see differences between extremes and normal limits.

It's not really newsworthy that we guys all compete. We have already discussed that in this thread. It is however about matters of degree.

This is CC. GR raised the topic. You allowed it to continue. One natural outcome of this thread then is that some of the men also see that the BLT behavior sucks and side with the dancers on this matter.

Now... let's be honest here. You find this threatening don't you. Why? I think it is very simple why. Because you see the argument turning such that some of the males make good points. You see women agreeing with them. Does that bother you? I mean isn't the outcome here that maybe your sub-mission on this site to keep the hatred of males alive and kicking, is slipping, and so you need to get in and keep it alive and well?

I would say it is entirely transparent and you've been called out so many times on the male hating, and by myself and a few others for abusing mod power, I'd say that is exactly what is at play here.

It is indeed Stripperweb. This forum is for customers. It is not Jenny's MaleHateWeb. You should start such a forum, but yes, sometimes us males do agree with dancers here, and yep, sometimes we do it because we also want to fit it in when we do agree. Not always agree. Not to a point of having no principles, but sometimes the stars align. And yes, sometimes we aren't always nice, just like you rarely are. But don't worry... the whole website won't fall apart if this happens. And yes, we guys do compete for female attention. It is in our genes - get over it.

Perry
09-05-2008, 02:55 AM
Exactly. They aren't. They like strippers. That's it. They just like strippers. That's the only reason they are here. End of it. They aren't trying to kiss ass. They just like us. Deal with it or step up or leave.

GR, you've made it bloody freaking clear you want to touch us more than the majority of the girls here are down with. More than that!! Get extras from us. That's why we're inclinclined to shy away from you. You're not an ass kisser - you want us to kiss your blank!!!


Sooo, I, myself am nothing anyone needs to be nervouse of. I'm just a dancer. Probably a good deal smaller than most blue ribbons. But unlike them, I'm drunk enough. and offended enough, to tell you I've had enough of your shit.

It's all about you, as usuall. Tell us again how to run this site. Why should SG, and HH be hidden? Go off on your fifteen tangent. Please, talk about how being a cop helps you idendify with people. By all means, inform us all about how you completely "get" strippers and customers because you've profiled them.

But really? Get off your fucking pedistal.

Sure, you "know" strippers. The dirty ones. This isn't where you find them. Go on and on about your ideals, why you ask for bjs in the same breathe. I'm not okay with you ramming yourself into a STRIPPER site and spouting off what you like and don't like, then bash dudes that don't push our buttons.

Honestly, go to TUSL, or something. Your "insight" is better spent there.

Golden_Rule
09-05-2008, 04:35 AM
Exactly. They aren't. They like strippers. That's it. They just like strippers. That's the only reason they are here. End of it. They aren't trying to kiss ass. They just like us. Deal with it or step up or leave.

What is so hard to fathom about this?

Men who feign like for strippers [and by like I don't mean are simply customers but actually pretend to hear what you say, agree with anything and everything, etc, etc, etc... IOW, the BLTs] ONLY because they are strippers aren't particularly good for strippers because out of their number rise the stalkers, the manipulators, and the people whose only reason to be near you is to USE you!

Just like people who dislike people ONLY because they are a certain color, or like people ONLY because they are celebrities they have issues.

Anyone who likes or dislikes someone ONLY because they are a particular thing is practicing particularly shallow behavior.


GR, you've made it bloody freaking clear you want to touch us more than the majority of the girls here are down with. More than that!! Get extras from us.

Pardon me but who in the bloody hell are you to say that?

The women I have had extras with were all parties in mutual, fully informed, and consensual interactions. So they were very much "down with it". Who appointed YOU to speak for THEM? You are insulting those dancers, who are perfectly capable of thinking for themselves. What makes you think you have the right to insert yourself between the actions of two consenting adults?

Who died and made YOU God? :)

I don't want extras from you because you don't want to give extras to me and I would NEVER take you someplace YOU don't want to go. I wouldn't feel right about it, wouldn't be able to live with myself over it, and I am simply not built that way.


Sooo, I, myself am nothing anyone needs to be nervouse of. I'm just a dancer. Probably a good deal smaller than most blue ribbons. But unlike them, I'm drunk enough. and offended enough, to tell you I've had enough of your shit.

Well, that explains some of this.

I'm ending this right here because I learned a long time ago there is no point arguing with someone when they've been drinking. They don't hear too well.

Truly wishing well... Hope the head doesn't hurt too badly later on [I mean that].

yoda57us
09-05-2008, 06:38 AM
This has gotten comical to the point of being silly. Jenny pretty much called it...

bem401
09-05-2008, 06:53 AM
Um, ok...and that is relevant because?

Because there is such a thing as a stupid question. To say there is no such thing as a stupid question is, well, stupid.

Jenny
09-05-2008, 07:08 AM
GR - I ti pretty transparent to everyone here that you clearly situated yourself in that original question. And I'm not claiming that you are mistaken about your motives. I'm claiming that you are disingenuous. Again - this is pretty obvious to everyone who has read the question so far, not just me.

I said nothing of the sort. Never meant anything of the sort. And will never mean anything of the sort.

Go ahead, please, and once again tell me that you know better than *I* what *I* mean. Tell me again the thoughts inside my head. Please, because I mean I really don't have a clue. I've only been carrying it around on my shoulders over five decades so I absolutely need you to explain how I think. ::)

Talk about condescending! Thinking YOU know better what someone is about than themselves.

How for someone so smart... I don't believe your arrogance sometimes. You truly take the cake.

mutter-mutter-mutter {G_R walks away muttering to himself under his breath due to utter frustration}

Jenny
09-05-2008, 07:22 AM
Pot yes others are black, like if someone wrote.. "It's like you, Jenny, think you have some kind of proprietary ownership over the entire site, and have to flex your muscles to try to intimidate others ... etc... " and what do you know, in fact you have been told just that on the blue side more then once by me and some others.
Okay. Sure. I absolutely feel like I own the customers here and get very irritable when they extend approval to other girls here and cast aspersions on all those girls in order to show how much better I am.

Yeah. Sorry, I don't think that actually maps on my behaviour at all.



you think the customers should follow a different standard.
I obviously think customers follow a different standard. Customers do follow a different standard. That is what happens when you have a population that the website is here for and another population that is just here to virtually ogle that population.


I would suggest re-read history. Hockeyboy for example got spanked on SW by many of the dancers before GR created this thread. When it came time for person of the week, he got raped for the BLT behavior.
And he never once started a thread saying "you guys are so nice to guys who aren't constantly kissing up to you. I really think you ought to consider that those aren't the guys you should be valuing." You see? HB - trying to gain approval and fit in by being agreeable and GR trying to gain approval by saying that we shouldn't approve that.


It's not really newsworthy that we guys all compete. We have already discussed that in this thread. It is however about matters of degree.
Yes. And it is sort of funny that you guys are doing here over the virtual approval of strippers who as a general body object to your presence, and even funnier when the conversation starts trying to delineate "rationally" on who the dancers should be approving of. Come on. Admit it. From our point of view - pretty funny.


This is CC. GR raised the topic. You allowed it to continue.
Yes. I don't shut down every thread because I think it is funny in a sad way. Not really my role here.


Now... let's be honest here. You find this threatening don't you. Why? I think it is very simple why. Because you see the argument turning such that some of the males make good points. You see women agreeing with them.
Huh? Mainly what I see here is a bunch of women saying "yeah, but we don't like the way you condescend to us any better".

ETA: Actually I have to edit that. I just briefly reviewed the thread and what I mostly see is a bunch of guys saying that the dude is not making good points and not much from the women at all. So maybe it turns out that they just don't care? So maybe I don't need to worry quite yet about G_R upsetting the absolute stranglehold that you postulate I exercise over stripperweb quite yet.


Does that bother you? I mean isn't the outcome here that maybe your sub-mission on this site to keep the hatred of males alive and kicking, is slipping, and so you need to get in and keep it alive and well?
Dude - trust me, the resentment towards guys on the site is not something I masterminded or control. It's the bildersburg group.


I would say it is entirely transparent and you've been called out so many times on the male hating, and by myself and a few others for abusing mod power, I'd say that is exactly what is at play here.
As I've already said in this thread. If you think that I'm abusing my mod power by allowing the thread to stay open and participating in it, there are venues. We don't really deal with these issues here. We're not on blue - we all have to control ourselves a little better.

yoda57us
09-05-2008, 09:10 AM
Because there is such a thing as a stupid question. To say there is no such thing as a stupid question is, well, stupid.

Bem, it's an old quote, get over it...

Golden_Rule
09-06-2008, 12:36 AM
This has gotten comical to the point of being silly. Jenny pretty much called it...

You honestly think that people like myself, and others, are discussing this because: Quote Jenny- "I mean - this whole thread (GR's claim to the contrary notwithstanding) is pretty much "Can't you all see how wrong you are to value male viewpoints that aren't mine?"

I couldn't really care whether folks agree with what I am saying or not, Yoda.

Whether they agree with me doesn't change basic principles in human behavior and it is the quasi-scientific discussion of a particular dynamic we are talking about. Some of us are trying to keep it CLINICAL in nature, but others are trying to inject personality into the discussion.

I'm not debating because I give a fig how many people agree with me or not. Its not a game and I'm not keeping score. Everyone is going to think for themselves, I hope, and make up their own mind. I'm putting a POV forward to be considered and commented on, trying to back it up with sound reasoning, and leaving it up to the reader to make up their own mind.

So all this is just point/counter-point. At least to me that is all this is.

No winners, other than the people who care about the topic matter and enjoy discussing such thing, who get some meat to chew on in their decision making process, no matter how they finally come down on the issue.

Golden_Rule
09-06-2008, 01:32 AM
I obviously think customers follow a different standard. Customers do follow a different standard. That is what happens when you have a population that the website is here for and another population that is just here to virtually ogle that population.

Did you stop and consider that the topic matter raised is precisely about the fact that SOME of the male posters come here simply to "ogle"?

Did you stop and consider that MY point was that there is NOTHING to ogle? Its a website. So the question was of the men, "Why are you wasting your time if ogling is what you have in mind?" and to the women, "Why do you allow something you probably wouldn't put up with in person here on the site?"

Seems like perfectly legit questions to me?

Yet you make the post about ME personally again>


ETA: Actually I have to edit that. I just briefly reviewed the thread and what I mostly see is a bunch of guys saying that the dude is not making good points and not much from the women at all. So maybe it turns out that they just don't care? So maybe I don't need to worry quite yet about G_R upsetting the absolute stranglehold that you postulate I exercise over stripperweb quite yet.


Yet if I had come to the site with no predisposed gender, so it might be assumed I was female, and said the same things I said above: That some men here post what they post in obviously fawning attempts to get into SW strippers pants, which I can hardly understand because this is a website and there are no pants to actually get into, etc, etc.

It is obvious to me that you would not have felt the need to make part of your response to the IDEAS being present MY personality, and you would have hardly questioned my motivations in the process.

The fact that it is pretty obvious that you would never stop to even remotely consider the possibility of what I just stated being true... Need I say more?

Again I simply ask that you play fair.

Again, wishing well...

Jay Zeno
09-06-2008, 08:00 AM
This is not the place to argue about moderation issues. The place to do that is with site management. If that's censorship, so be it - but the mods are not going to get sidetracked with unending debates and defenses of the way they do their job. If you dont' like it, appeal to management.

And we're not debating this. Move on.

yoda57us
09-06-2008, 06:16 PM
You honestly think that people like myself, and others, are discussing this because: Quote Jenny- "I mean - this whole thread (GR's claim to the contrary notwithstanding) is pretty much "Can't you all see how wrong you are to value male viewpoints that aren't mine?"
Yep!

I couldn't really care whether folks agree with what I am saying or not, Yoda.
Um, Duh!

Whether they agree with me doesn't change basic principles in human behavior and it is the quasi-scientific discussion of a particular dynamic we are talking about. Some of us are trying to keep it CLINICAL in nature, but others are trying to inject personality into the discussion.
"Clinical" Dude, I was born at night, but not last night...

I'm not debating because I give a fig how many people agree with me or not. Its not a game and I'm not keeping score. Everyone is going to think for themselves, I hope, and make up their own mind. I'm putting a POV forward to be considered and commented on, trying to back it up with sound reasoning, and leaving it up to the reader to make up their own mind.
No one else is keeping score either GR. Put forth all the opinions you like. We will agree, disagree, argue and poke fun as we see fit. That is the nature of the beast known as the open forum.

So all this is just point/counter-point. At least to me that is all this is.
You're catching on...

No winners, other than the people who care about the topic matter and enjoy discussing such thing, who get some meat to chew on in their decision making process, no matter how they finally come down on the issue.
Um, yeah, whatever...