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sapphiregirl
09-03-2008, 10:14 PM
Sarah is a formidable candidate. I can understand why the Obamablognuts feel compelled to infiltrate even small time stripper websites. Leave no stone unturned.
FBR
Speaking of Obamablognuts.....are there McCainblognuts and Palinblognuts?
One of the top news stories out here involved a PATHETIC hate crime on a black couple because they support Obama.
Dirty Ernie
09-03-2008, 10:24 PM
Sarah Palin's speech was not a speech to attract undecided voters but that's ok by me..lol
No but Lieberman's sure was. I doubt there was anyone on the floor who could relate to his speech. Definitely aimed at the tv audience.
4 minutes until Fox's replay. Heard a bit on the radio in the car live, must say a little disappointing.
I may get killed for this, but I think when she was praising (fawning over) McCain the candidate, it made her look weak. I don't think I've ever felt that when a male politico was building up another male. I certainly didn't get that vibe from Hillary's convention speech, either.
sapphiregirl
09-03-2008, 10:28 PM
No but Lieberman's sure was. I doubt there was anyone on the floor who could relate to his speech. Definitely aimed at the tv audience.
4 minutes until Fox's replay. Heard a bit on the radio in the car live, must say a little disappointing.
I may get killed for this, but I think when she was praising (fawning over) McCain the candidate, it made her look weak. I don't think I've ever felt that when a male politico was building up another male. I certainly idn't get that vibe from Hillary's convention speech, either.
I didn't hear Lieberman's speech.
Sarah Palin came accross like she was trying to crack insults and be sarcastically funny or something. She does seem to love McCain....funny since she's only met him once before this and never worked with him...I guess she can like him though.
Her comments about lipstick and hockymoms were so typical female....hate that...lol
Dirty Ernie
09-03-2008, 10:32 PM
I'd like to know how the incumbent party manages to portray itself as the party of change./:O
Guliani irritates me.
sapphiregirl
09-03-2008, 10:32 PM
How do you all think she will do with the press now that she insulted them so much? How do you think she can help bring such a divided country together if she only acts cocky?
sapphiregirl
09-03-2008, 10:34 PM
I'd like to know how the incumbent party manages to portray itself as the party of change./:O
Guliani irritates me.
I though he was going to hyperventilate or something.
Melonie
09-03-2008, 10:34 PM
arguably, Lieberman and Giuliani are both playing to two audiences (see thread about Jewish American voters).
Dirty Ernie
09-03-2008, 11:36 PM
I think she delivered all they could want in her speech. Unless a skeleton pops up or she is exposed in the debates, I don't think Obama nor Biden can no longer establish a blue collar link as strong as hers.
However, I think the gloves are off for the VP debate. She was rather insulting to people who she may be required to work closely with and with whom she has no previous history of cordiality that would come from a "known Washington" candidate. If the Senate ends up with 60 Dems she will be relegated to trying to find something to do everyday as VP.
Kucinich's wife is still the hottest!:D
sapphiregirl
09-03-2008, 11:52 PM
I think she delivered all they could want in her speech. Unless a skeleton pops up or she is exposed in the debates, I don't think Obama nor Biden can no longer establish a blue collar link as strong as hers.
However, I think the gloves are off for the VP debate. She was rather insulting to people who she may be required to work closely with and with whom she has no previous history of cordiality that would come from a "known Washington" candidate. If the Senate ends up with 60 Dems she will be relegated to trying to find something to do everyday as VP.
Kucinich's wife is still the hottest!:D
Can you image if Sarah and Hillary had to debate each other for the VP....we would need bouncers.
Anyway.....I'm not impressed by her but I hope she can at least represent women well. I think its a bit degrading when she makes jokes about pit bulls and lipstick when she could talk about how mcCain is going to keep jobs in the US or the economy...but meh...I don't think he will.
Dirty Ernie
09-04-2008, 01:06 AM
Can you image if Sarah and Hillary had to debate each other for the VP....we would need bouncers.
Anyway.....I'm not impressed by her but I hope she can at least represent women well. I think its a bit degrading when she makes jokes about pit bulls and lipstick when she could talk about how mcCain is going to keep jobs in the US or the economy...but meh...I don't think he will.
The pitbull analogy is appropos. She is assuming the traditional role of VP candidate as attack dog, leaving the top of the ticket's hands clean and free to focus on the party platform.
She's heading back to Alaska to spend time with her son before he is deployed. How long after that the GOP can avoid her meeting with the press may depend upon the quality of dirt Obama's camp can turn up after poring over her public service records.
kitana
09-04-2008, 02:04 AM
You are a trip...I have the RNC on in the background and all the love to do is attack.
At least i don't support BIGOTS...like you...but I guess that goes along with your remarks towards my family yesterday
Elaborate which "remarks" kiddo. I didn't say SHIT about your fucking family.
You INFERRED by your discrimination that I said something bigoted.
Instead of constantly attacking, why not go on the offensive and explain to us ALL why Obama is a better candidate then McCain, WITHOUT attacking McCain.
sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 02:08 AM
The pitbull analogy is appropos. She is assuming the traditional role of VP candidate as attack dog, leaving the top of the ticket's hands clean and free to focus on the party platform.
She's heading back to Alaska to spend time with her son before he is deployed. How long after that the GOP can avoid her meeting with the press may depend upon the quality of dirt Obama's camp can turn up after poring over her public service records.
Should be interesting....
In her first speech to the nation....Sarah Palin should have kept it positive and presented facts and solutions. Instead it looked like she was getting a power tripping thrill over bashing Obama and exploiting her kid with downs syndrome...and you know what they say about first impressions.
Clearly the Republicans loved it....they don't want change...they just like to bash and couldn't care less.
sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 02:12 AM
Elaborate which "remarks" kiddo. I didn't say SHIT about your fucking family.
You INFERRED by your discrimination that I said something bigoted.
Instead of constantly attacking, why not go on the offensive and explain to us ALL why Obama is a better candidate then McCain, WITHOUT attacking McCain.
Can you keep your foul language and attitude from messing up this thread or do you lack that maturity?
.....and don't ever refer to my family as "your fucking family" to me.
kitana
09-04-2008, 02:19 AM
She does seem to love McCain....funny since she's only met him once before this and never worked with him...I guess she can like him though.
I've never met Sean Connery but I love him. But I have seen enough interviews and his movies to be like him. *shrug*
And I have never met Ingrid Newkirk but I know I loathe that cunt. I will NEVER have to meet the feminazi bull dyke animal killer to know that. *shrug*
Just like MANY of us on this board have never met, but we do like each other and show concern and care.
kitana
09-04-2008, 02:55 AM
Can you keep your foul language and attitude from messing up this thread or do you lack that maturity?
.....and don't ever refer to my family as "your fucking family" to me.
Then stop assuming I was personally attacking YOU or your family.
And again, please show me EXACTLY where I said ANYTHING about your family yesterday.
Foul language is in the eye of the beholder, IMO.
kitana
09-04-2008, 02:55 AM
...they just like to bash and couldn't care less.
pot meet kettle.::)
sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 03:08 AM
pot meet kettle.::)
I'm not making a speech to the American public for the first time or running for VP.
Kitana, Congratulations on TRASHING a pretty cool thread on this issue that a lot of people were posting on. I hope you feel better.
kitana
09-04-2008, 03:31 AM
I'm not making a speech to the American public for the first time or running for VP.
Kitana, Congratulations on TRASHING a pretty cool thread on this issue that a lot of people were posting on. I hope you feel better.
You are a trip...I have the RNC on in the background and all the love to do is attack.
At least i don't support BIGOTS...like you...but I guess that goes along with your remarks towards my family yesterday
Still waiting on you to elaborate where exactly you got this ^^^^ from, that's all.
Please if you are going to accuse me, and condemn me for saying something; at least tell me what I said.
You have sit there these past few days and basically accused me of being a die hard Christian conservative racist bigoted moron, with NO reason, other than I; 1 plan to vote for McCain, and 2. I live in Kentucky.
How is that NOT discriminatory?
But, please elaborate how I said anything wrong about your family yesterday.
Eric Stoner
09-04-2008, 07:59 AM
You are a trip...I have the RNC on in the background and all the love to do is attack.
At least i don't support BIGOTS...like you...but I guess that goes along with your remarks towards my family yesterday
What "Bigots" do you claim she is supporting ? Who ? Name them ?
There is plenty of Liberal intolerance also, like those who are intolerant of religion or conservative thought.
BlindE
09-04-2008, 08:08 AM
For me, the choice of parties is pretty darn simple. The Holier than Tho, social conservatives demonize the pleasures I hold dear: Sex, drugs and rock & roll (and StripperWeb). End of story.
Jay Zeno
09-04-2008, 09:36 AM
Well, here's my outlook.
The candidate can lean left or lean right. That's fine - just be someone I can relate to, and when you make a decision, impress me as the type of person who make make it rationally, reasonably, and well thought out. I'm not arrogant enough to think that I'm right all the time, and the candidate should do what I think. But I am arrogant enough to think that a whole big bunch of the country goes along with my approach.
I've listened to both Sen. Obama and Sen. McCain. One strikes me as a thoughtful, sincere young man. The other strikes me as a plain-spoken, reasonable old guy. Getting to be editor of the Harvard Law Review is no mean feat. Getting through seven years of POW experience is impressive.
But I am getting severely troubled about this Republican running mate of his. She's extreme, she's reactionary rather than analytic, she'd ideological rather than thoughtful, and ... well, she just seems mean rather than outreaching. It's not impressive.
CKXXX
09-04-2008, 10:02 AM
Just an interesting little tidbit:
PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending
and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."
THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."
PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform not even in the state senate."
THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.
PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."
THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.
Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.
He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.
The AP report also showed how Palin's champions have exaggerated the Alaskan governor's 'acheivements':
MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply
She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.
THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state by population.
MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard.
She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.
THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.
FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."
THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.
FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."
THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.
Zia_Abq
09-04-2008, 10:06 AM
Instead of constantly attacking, why not go on the offensive and explain to us ALL why Obama is a better candidate then McCain, WITHOUT attacking McCain.
Would you even consider the reasons and possibly change your vote if she or I did that for you? Or is your mind just made up and nothing is going to change it? If its not then what areas are you on the fence about and could be swayed into voting for Obama rather than McCain.
Zia_Abq
09-04-2008, 10:19 AM
But I am getting severely troubled about this Republican running mate of his. She's extreme, she's reactionary rather than analytic, she'd ideological rather than thoughtful, and ... well, she just seems mean rather than outreaching. It's not impressive.
Yup. And it is an example on his judgment of where he wants to lead the country because he picked her to be his back up. By choosing her he is saying this is the person he feels is best suited out of every single other available American to step in for him in an emergency. I understand he would want someone who shares his republican views and all but why not someone better suited than Palin. Even just among the possible women choices there were MUCH better options than this woman not to mention plenty of men. It does not make me feel very secure to know that this women was the best they thought they could do for the nation. Country first, my ass!
kitana
09-04-2008, 10:46 AM
Would you even consider the reasons and possibly change your vote if she or I did that for you? Or is your mind just made up and nothing is going to change it? If its not then what areas are you on the fence about and could be swayed into voting for Obama rather than McCain.
I might could be, lol.
I am not dead set right now, but Obama hasn't said exactly what his plan is (that I have heard) other than he wants change. That tells me nothing, since change can be very good and it can also be very bad; depends on the change.
Honestly, I am registered Republican, but I vote for the person 99% of the time. (or against the person in some cases LOL!)
I like that McCain is a POW, that means he will be a better CIC to our troops (which hold a dear spot in my heart for reasons already listed), and a better strategic mind when it comes to conflict, I like that his is for more refineries and drilling, I like that he has had experience, and I like that he has rebelled against his party and others in doing the right things at times in office. I like that he is against universal health care, that he doesn't want to privatize SS, I like that he has helped Indian Affairs, the fact his is for equal wage, I like his stance on the Israeli/Arab conflict, that he is against cruel and inhumane treatment of war prisoners, I agree with him on Iran (that they are dangerous and crazy (they IMO are the world's version of Charlie Manson) and have no right to have nuclear weapons), I like that he allies with Georgia, I like that he would be willing to entertain relations with Cuba again, that he agrees that global warming is a very real threat, like that he supports the death penalty, and supports tougher sentences on gun and drug crimes, like that he wants to make English the official US language, he is for stem cell research, and the big one for me personally is his support of Israel and it's people and protection.
But basically those are the things I DO like about McCain.
Is Obama in favor for those things as well or against, and the things I haven't listed, is he in favor of?
What is his plan, what does he want to do?
sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 10:59 AM
What "Bigots" do you claim she is supporting ? Who ? Name them ?
There is plenty of Liberal intolerance also, like those who are intolerant of religion or conservative thought.
McCain....and it was not for her....Its for all McCain supporters. I honestly don't care what she and her foul mouth attitude think if that is how she acts.
Miss_Luscious
09-04-2008, 11:08 AM
Is Obama in favor for those things as well or against, and the things I haven't listed, is he in favor of?
What is his plan, what does he want to do?
Just so you know, All of Obama's plans and stances can be found on his website. It really too much to cut and past here but if you want information on specific issues then I could provide those for you. Just give me a list of things you want to know.
kitana
09-04-2008, 11:10 AM
McCain....and it was not for her....Its for all McCain supporters. I honestly don't care what she and her foul mouth attitude think if that is how she acts.
Oh, I see..... *hurmph*
If that is how your circular logic follows, then Obama is a bigot too.
I mean he is friends with Ayers and Rev Wright and they hate whitey; so I guess it's a guilt by association kinda thing.
Zia_Abq
09-04-2008, 11:12 AM
Is Obama in favor for those things as well or against, and the things I haven't listed, is he in favor of?
What is his plan, what does he want to do?
Ok, now we are getting somewhere :) Obama is for alot of those things! I could break it all down for you but this will be alot quicker. Here is a non partisan chart that compares many of McCain's and Obama's plan for the country. Also I'm adding his website links which describe his positions on defense and foriegn affairs.
These should cover most if not all your concerns. No more saying you don't know Obama's plan ;)
sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 11:12 AM
Well, here's my outlook.
The candidate can lean left or lean right. That's fine - just be someone I can relate to, and when you make a decision, impress me as the type of person who make make it rationally, reasonably, and well thought out. I'm not arrogant enough to think that I'm right all the time, and the candidate should do what I think. But I am arrogant enough to think that a whole big bunch of the country goes along with my approach.
I've listened to both Sen. Obama and Sen. McCain. One strikes me as a thoughtful, sincere young man. The other strikes me as a plain-spoken, reasonable old guy. Getting to be editor of the Harvard Law Review is no mean feat. Getting through seven years of POW experience is impressive.
But I am getting severely troubled about this Republican running mate of his. She's extreme, she's reactionary rather than analytic, she'd ideological rather than thoughtful, and ... well, she just seems mean rather than outreaching. It's not impressive.
I totally agree....Sarah Palin has only one month to prep to go against Biden who has 37? years experience. Should be interesting.
I really did not like her cheap shots at Obama and his speech last night....even if you do not support Obama.....his speech was amazing and he made HISTORY that night. She should have respected him more.
kitana
09-04-2008, 11:34 AM
Ok, now we are getting somewhere :) Obama is for alot of those things! I could break it all down for you but this will be alot quicker. Here is a non partisan chart that compares many of McCain's and Obama's plan for the country. Also I'm adding his website links which describe his positions on defense and foriegn affairs.
These should cover most if not all your concerns. No more saying you don't know Obama's plan ;)
http://www.sbecouncil.org/uploads/Candidate%20Side%20by%20Side%20Aug%2028%20pdf.pdf
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/defense/
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/
Thanks! It's really refreshing to have a discussion and not be called racist or an asshole (most Obama supporters in this area do just that if you say you are not voting for him.), lol!
I read up, and I do like a lot of things he is for, but there are a few I am against still, and I still feel that McCain is a better choice for CIC for our military, and I like McCain's Israel stance more; but I do like Obama's immigration policy and a few other things.
I still have a few months to choose, right?!:P
sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 11:39 AM
Thanks! It's really refreshing to have a discussion and not be called racist or an asshole (most Obama supporters in this area do just that if you say you are not voting for him.), lol!
I read up, and I do like a lot of things he is for, but there are a few I am against still, and I still feel that McCain is a better choice for CIC for our military, and I like McCain's Israel stance more; but I do like Obama's immigration policy and a few other things.
I still have a few months to choose, right?!:P
Who has called you a racist or asshole?
It was never me so who was it?
kitana
09-04-2008, 11:42 AM
Who has called you a racist or asshole?
It was never me so who was it?
Various people in THIS AREA. You know, like the area I LIVE IN.
I never said you.
sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 11:51 AM
Various people in THIS AREA. You know, like the area I LIVE IN.
I never said you.
Thanks for clearing that up.
So you live in an area where people call you an asshole because you support Obama? Well, that's too bad. I hope they would never say someone should just drive to Massachusettes to get married because they cannot support equality for ALL.
Zia_Abq
09-04-2008, 11:53 AM
Thanks! It's really refreshing to have a discussion and not be called racist or an asshole (most Obama supporters in this area do just that if you say you are not voting for him.), lol!
I read up, and I do like a lot of things he is for, but there are a few I am against still, and I still feel that McCain is a better choice for CIC for our military, and I like McCain's Israel stance more; but I do like Obama's immigration policy and a few other things.
I still have a few months to choose, right?!:P
You are welcome and yes indeed you do have some time before you need to choose.
I hope that now since you are more aware of what Obama has in mind you will think a bit more about who will more likely do the things to not only improve your life and the life of your family but other middle class and poor people in the country as well as the many around the world who are affected by US policy and actions.
My biggest hope of all is that you will think long and hard about some really important national issues that affect each and every one of us out here. Things like healthcare, education and the economy rather than focus quite so much on the war and oil drilling.
kitana
09-04-2008, 12:50 PM
Thanks for clearing that up.
So you live in an area where people call you an asshole because you support Obama? Well, that's too bad. I hope they would never say someone should just drive to Massachusettes to get married because they cannot support equality for ALL.
I said the OBAMA supporters call me a racist because I do NOT support him.
Eric Stoner
09-04-2008, 12:51 PM
McCain....and it was not for her....Its for all McCain supporters. I honestly don't care what she and her foul mouth attitude think if that is how she acts.
How is McCain a "bigot" ? Because he doesn't support so called "gay rights" ?
He has a good faith disagreement. It doesn't make him a bigot.
sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 12:54 PM
How is McCain a "bigot" ? Because he doesn't support so called "gay rights" ?
He has a good faith disagreement. It doesn't make him a bigot.
The last time I read the Constitution, it said all men are created equal....not all straight men. Leave religion out of politics.
He is currently running adds in AZ to deny same sex couple from the right to ADOPT, MARRY, CIVIL UNIONS, BENEFITS. McCain was the DECIDING vote against the Act that would prevent workplace discrimination.
The Human Rights Campaign sure does think he is a bigot.
Eric Stoner
09-04-2008, 12:58 PM
I totally agree....Sarah Palin has only one month to prep to go against Biden who has 37? years experience. Should be interesting.
I really did not like her cheap shots at Obama and his speech last night....even if you do not support Obama.....his speech was amazing and he made HISTORY that night. She should have respected him more.
Actually the worst of the cheap shots against Obama echoed the SAME stuff Hillary, Edwards and his fellow Dems threw at him in the primaries: his lack of experience and his voting "present" while serving as a State Senator. It was explained that in Illinois it is a commonly accepted tactic to do that regarding legislation that one had problems with or wanted to see amended.
Since you don't like "cheap shots," how did you feel about all the cheap shots the Dems took during their Convention ? It's P O L I T I C S ! And so far, McCain and Obama have done fairly well in steering away from personal attacks and focusing on the issues. Their supporters and surrogates could ALL do better in following their lead.
Eric Stoner
09-04-2008, 12:59 PM
McCain....and it was not for her....Its for all McCain supporters. I honestly don't care what she and her foul mouth attitude think if that is how she acts.
Do you have any examples of Sarah Palin's "foul mouth " ?
sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 01:00 PM
Actually the worst of the cheap shots against Obama echoed the SAME stuff Hillary, Edwards and his fellow Dems threw at him in the primaries: his lack of experience and his voting "present" while serving as a State Senator. It was explained that in Illinois it is a commonly accepted tactic to do that regarding legislation that one had problems with or wanted to see amended.
Since you don't like "cheap shots," how did you feel about all the cheap shots the Dems took during their Convention ? It's P O L I T I C S ! And so far, McCain and Obama have done fairly well in steering away from personal attacks and focusing on the issues. Their supporters and surrogates could ALL do better in following their lead.
LOL.....ok...
Obama was a CLASS ACT compared to Palin....Hopefully, McCain will not follow her lead.
jester214
09-04-2008, 01:04 PM
^^^You should follow his example then.
kitana
09-04-2008, 01:04 PM
Do you have any examples of Sarah Palin's "foul mouth " ?
She meant my "foul mouth", and she still didn't explain or show where I disrespected her family. Not McCain or republicans, but ME personally, and she won't find it, cause I didn't.
kitana
09-04-2008, 01:07 PM
The last time I read the Constitution, it said all men are created equal....not all straight men. Leave religion out of politics.
He is currently running adds in AZ to deny same sex couple from the right to ADOPT, MARRY, CIVIL UNIONS, BENEFITS. McCain was the DECIDING vote against the Act that would prevent workplace discrimination.
The Human Rights Campaign sure does think he is a bigot.
His faith and his G-d say that it is wrong, and in his faith G-d's law is more important than man's law.
So while you do not agree with it, that doesn't mean he is wrong in his faith.
Besides right and wrong are all subjective anyway in the end.
Hell, Charles Manson still thinks he did nothing wrong.....
The majority of women think OUR jobs are wrong, but does their opinion of our jobs make it so?
sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 01:09 PM
His faith and his G-d say that it is wrong, and in his faith G-d's law is more important than man's law.
So while you do not agree with it, that doesn't mean he is wrong in his faith.
Besides right and wrong are all subjective anyway in the end.
Hell, Charles Manson still thinks he did nothing wrong.....
The majority of women think OUR jobs are wrong, but does their opinion of our jobs make it so?
Those women can still marry and adopt and are PROTECTED.
RELIGION AND POLITICS do not belong together. KEEP RELIGION out of laws.
Eric Stoner
09-04-2008, 01:10 PM
Why don't we ALL set a good example and stop personalizing. EVERYBODY !
Let's stop with the name-calling and ad hominem attacks and stay focused on the issues.
Let's try to remember what a great American, Pat Moynihan said : "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts." Let's try to disagree without being disagreeable.
Eric Stoner
09-04-2008, 01:13 PM
Those women can still marry and adopt and are PROTECTED.
RELIGION AND POLITICS do not belong together. KEEP RELIGION out of laws.
Here's an area where I agree with you and STRONGLY disagree with McCain. Btw, Barry Goldwater whom McCain succeeded was pro-tolerance.
I believe in the 11th Commandment when it comes to poliitics : " Keep thy religion to thyself."
sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 01:22 PM
Here's an area where I agree with you and STRONGLY disagree with McCain. Btw, Barry Goldwater whom McCain succeeded was pro-tolerance.
I believe in the 11th Commandment when it comes to poliitics : " Keep thy religion to thyself."
Thank you....I completely agree.
Zia_Abq
09-04-2008, 01:28 PM
How is McCain a "bigot"; ? Because he doesn't support so called "gay rights" ?
He has a good faith disagreement. It doesn't make him a bigot.
Yes. Yes, it does. But people have a right to that opinion even if other people like me don't like it. Doesn't change the fact that it makes people who share that opinion bigots though.
sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 01:45 PM
Yes. Yes, it does. But people have a right to that opinion even if other people like me don't like it. Doesn't change the fact that it makes people who share that opinion bigots though.
McCain won't even support a Hate Crimes Bill or protect gay/lesbians in the military. 12,000 soldiers have been discharged from the military because of their sexuality. McCain wants a strong military ....what a BS bigoted move on his part.