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Eric Stoner
09-04-2008, 01:49 PM
Yes. Yes, it does. But people have a right to that opinion even if other people like me don't like it. Doesn't change the fact that it makes people who share that opinion bigots though.

Hmmm. My dictionary defines "bigot" as " a narrow minded person who holds blindly and intolerantly to a particular creed or opinion ".- (Webster's New World Dictionary). It's not a perfect fit but it certainly covers someone who is intolerant of gay people.Now the question is: intolerant how ? Obama opposes gay marriage too.

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 01:53 PM
Hmmm. My dictionary defines "bigot" as " a narrow minded person who holds blindly and intolerantly to a particular creed or opinion ".- (Webster's New World Dictionary). It's not a perfect fit but it certainly covers someone who is intolerant of gay people.Now the question is: intolerant how ? Obama opposes gay marriage too.


Give me a break..

Obama is for civil unions and will move the country into a better direction with equality for gays.

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 01:54 PM
Hmmm. My dictionary defines "bigot" as " a narrow minded person who holds blindly and intolerantly to a particular creed or opinion ".- (Webster's New World Dictionary). It's not a perfect fit but it certainly covers someone who is intolerant of gay people.Now the question is: intolerant how ? Obama opposes gay marriage too.


Looks like a bigot to me....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5t2dJnN2eg

Eric Stoner
09-04-2008, 01:55 PM
McCain won't even support a Hate Crimes Bill or protect gay/lesbians in the military. 12,000 soldiers have been discharged from the military because of their sexuality. McCain wants a strong military ....what a BS bigoted move on his part.

Again, this is an area where you and I agree. The same arguments used to try and remove gays from the military were used to support segregated units- the effect on morale and unit cohesion. In other words let the bigots and racists
determine who they will or won't serve with.
Strangely, the Pentagon poobahs are decades behind their own troops who are much more tolerant of gays and far more willing to serve alongside them. Many other countries including the U.K. and Canada permit gays to serve without any effect on readiness and performance.

Eric Stoner
09-04-2008, 01:57 PM
Give me a break..

Obama is for civil unions and will move the country into a better direction with equality for gays.

I'm NOT arguing with you. McCain has a B I G O T E D view.

Jay Zeno
09-04-2008, 01:57 PM
Wasn't the "Don't ask, don't tell" implemented by Pres. Clinton?

Eric Stoner
09-04-2008, 02:03 PM
Wasn't the "Don't ask, don't tell" implemented by Pres. Clinton?

Yeah but the military still kicked out thousands of gays and lesbians.

Jay Zeno
09-04-2008, 02:07 PM
I'm just wondering: If Sen. McCain is a bigot for being in agreement with "Don't ask, don't tell," is Pres. Clinton a bigot for implementing it?

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 02:10 PM
Looks like a bigot to me....Honestly...thats downright disgusting.

I have a friend who adopted a teenage girl that was living on the streets. The birth family kicked this young girl out because she is HIV+. The woman who adopted the girl got her off the street and back on track with her health. This woman is also a lesbian.- true story.

McCain is disgusting with his family values attitude...How dare he judge good people.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llZuoMXpr4s&feature=related

kitana
09-04-2008, 02:12 PM
Those women can still marry and adopt and are PROTECTED.


RELIGION AND POLITICS do not belong together. KEEP RELIGION out of laws.


Not all of them are "protected". A prostitute can't call the police and expect ANY help if she is raped and beaten.

I have had guys steal money from me (legally called theft of services) and the cops do NOTHING. Real protected huh?

Maybe in YOUR mind they do not, but this country was founded on religion and politics mixing, lol. Plenty of countries have religious politics with NO issues at all (probably because the politics coincide with the religion and vice versa), so why not the USA as well?

Religious and political diversity that is why.

What YOU might find not acceptable, doesn't mean your buddy does.

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 02:13 PM
I'm just wondering: If Sen. McCain is a bigot for being in agreement with "Don't ask, don't tell," is Pres. Clinton a bigot for implementing it?


I think it was a step in the right direction at the time. She does not want it anymore. What is McCain doing about it?

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 02:14 PM
Not all of them are "protected". A prostitute can't call the police and expect ANY help if she is raped and beaten.

I have had guys steal money from me (legally called theft of services) and the cops do NOTHING. Real protected huh?

Maybe in YOUR mind they do not, but this country was founded on religion and politics mixing, lol. Plenty of countries have religious politics with NO issues at all (probably because the politics coincide with the religion and vice versa), so why not the USA as well?

Religious and political diversity that is why.

What YOU might find not acceptable, doesn't mean your buddy does.


That's fine if your "buddy" disagrees with me....He still deserves the SAME RIGHTS as me. That is where I don't think you can grasp the concept.

kitana
09-04-2008, 02:15 PM
Give me a break..

Obama is for civil unions and will move the country into a better direction with equality for gays.

"I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

Sounds like he is against your brother getting married too. *shrug*, Guess that makes him a bigot as well, but not as much of one.

Zia_Abq
09-04-2008, 02:16 PM
I'm just wondering: If Sen. McCain is a bigot for being in agreement with "don't ask, don't tell" is Pres. Clinton a bigot for implementing it?

From what I understand about the situation at that time he didn't want to do it. He only did so as a compromise with the republicans who would not back down on wanting them banned completely. Considering that it’s kind of hard to just give a simple yes or no answer. Plus it was actually a step foward for gay service men and women even if just a small step.

Optimist
09-04-2008, 02:17 PM
Strom Thurmond once held the opinion that segregation should be law forever, even as he snuck off with his black lover. Neither strike me as being mavericks.

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 02:17 PM
"I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

Sounds like he is against your brother getting married too. *shrug*, Guess that makes him a bigot as well, but not as much of one.


He can think what he wants.....He will work to protect gays and lesbians and THEIR view.

I'm sorry you cannot grasp this. Did you not watch his speech?

kitana
09-04-2008, 02:19 PM
That's fine if your "buddy" disagrees with me....He still deserves the SAME RIGHTS as me. That is where I don't think you can grasp the concept.

And I do not think you can grasp that for some people, man's laws and the Constitution don't matter as far as G-D's law goes.

Oh and FYI, if McCain is a bigot, then so was Clinton for the Don't ask, don't tell.

kitana
09-04-2008, 02:20 PM
He can think what he wants.....He will work to protect gays and lesbians and THEIR view.

I'm sorry you cannot grasp this. Did you not watch his speech?

Wait, what?!

You feel it is perfectly fine for Obama to feel that way and think what he wishes, but NOT McCain?

What is good for the goose.....

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 02:22 PM
And I do not think you can grasp that for some people, man's laws and the Constitution don't matter as far as G-D's law goes.

Oh and FYI, if McCain is a bigot, then so was Clinton for the Don't ask, don't tell.



Well....I will take that up with MY GOD and I think my God would be happy for who I choose to love/protect vs hate.

Zia_Abq
09-04-2008, 02:24 PM
And I do not think you can grasp that for some people, man's laws and the Constitution don't matter as far as G-D's law goes.


Well I grasp it just fine and my opinion is if they can't or won't honor the Constitution then they should be barred from public office.

Let's not forget one of the things a Prez swears is to honor and defend the Constitution and part of that is that all men/women are created equal and deserve the same rights and protection under the law.

If someone is unwilling to do that because of their religious beliefs then they don't qualify for the job to begin with anyway.

kitana
09-04-2008, 02:29 PM
Well I grasp it just fine and my opinion is if they can't or won't honor the Constitution then they should be barred from public office. Let's not forget one of the things a Prez swears is to honor and defend the Constitution.

This is true. But if we are going to take G-d out of politics, we all better burn our money right now, rofl! ;)

Don't forget the military oath to uphold G-d, country and honor.

This country was founded by Puratanicals, it hasn't changed much in past 400 years or so. Sad huh?

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 02:29 PM
Well I grasp it just fine and my opinion is if they can't or won't honor the Constitution then they should be barred from public office. Let's not forget one of the things a Prez swears is to honor and defend the Constitution.


Exactly....It is not the Presidents job to bring people to GOD. There are multiple religions in the United States and he should defend the Constitution and not discriminate.

I love how you call them Prez....lol

Zia_Abq
09-04-2008, 02:34 PM
This is true. But if we are going to take G-d out of politics, we all better burn our money right now, rofl! ;)

lol! Well now I don't know about burning it. But I'd gladly trade it in for new mint bills that didn't have that phrase on it.

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 02:37 PM
Yeah but the military still kicked out thousands of gays and lesbians.



I'm happy people are trying to correct that mistake. That's all I can hope for


What do you think of Palin's son going to Iraq? Wouldn't he be a target over there?

cinammonkisses
09-04-2008, 02:40 PM
I just can't stand to look at her. She screams "Inexperienced Dangerous Ditz" to me. :shrug: I think this is McCain's final nail in the coffin with regards to my vote. I'm sorry, I will be a Traitor Arizonian ::) Obama '08!


Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm so proud of you for finally making a decision! I remember giving you those links and such. I guess the whole Palin thing was the straw that broke huh :)

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 02:45 PM
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm so proud of you for finally making a decision! I remember giving you those links and such. I guess the whole Palin thing was the straw that broke huh :)




Yep....I have a big feeling this country is going Blue :party:

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 02:58 PM
Wasn't the "Don't ask, don't tell" implemented by Pres. Clinton?


By the way....I was never a big Hillary Clinton supporter. I was not even that big on her for VP.

G-Real
09-04-2008, 04:53 PM
His faith and his G-d say that it is wrong, and in his faith G-d's law is more important than man's law.

So while you do not agree with it, that doesn't mean he is wrong in his faith.

Besides right and wrong are all subjective anyway in the end.

Hell, Charles Manson still thinks he did nothing wrong.....

The majority of women think OUR jobs are wrong, but does their opinion of our jobs make it so?


true, but, I'll use the Massachusetts arguement, cuz, we'll I'm from here.

yes its a technicallity, but there is nothing in the US or Massachusetts constitution that explicitly states same-sex marriage as being illegal.

Granted people may feel its against their faith, however, if you take that approach then you you have to take into consideration all faiths, not just christianity.

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 05:21 PM
Sarah Palin's meanspirited BS speech last night was written by one of President Bush's speechwriters.


Yep....4 more years of the same thing~

jester214
09-04-2008, 08:22 PM
"McCain's a bigot for being in favor of don't ask don't tell! Oh, Clinton made it law? Oh well he's fine, I'm sure he had a good reason."

And that som's up about three of the major posters in this thread.

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 08:27 PM
"McCain's a bigot for being in favor of don't ask don't tell! Oh, Clinton made it law? Oh well he's fine, I'm sure he had a good reason."

And that som's up about three of the major posters in this thread.


We allready went there. Who says I supported Clinton anyway?

jester214
09-04-2008, 08:31 PM
^^^It doesn't matter if you supported him or not, nor did I single you out, or anyone for that matter.

The point is some of the people on here have the most skewed logic I've ever seen. If Palin saved someones life while Obama stood by and watched, certain people on here would twist it to the point that Obama did good and Palin did bad.

Sophia_Starina
09-04-2008, 08:32 PM
I thought Sarah Palin did a great job. She is so delightfully snarky!

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 08:33 PM
^^^It doesn't matter if you supported him or not, nor did I single you out, or anyone for that matter.

The point is some of the people on here have the most skewed logic I've ever seen. If Palin saved someones life while Obama stood by and watched, certain people on here would twist it to the point that Obama did good and Palin did bad.


That's BS.

eagle2
09-04-2008, 08:47 PM
Don't forget the military oath to uphold G-d, country and honor.


There is no military oath to uphold God, country and honor. The military takes an oath to defend the Constitution.

jester214
09-04-2008, 08:57 PM
That's BS.

You wish it was BS, but you're not exactly being fairminded.

eagle2
09-04-2008, 09:00 PM
Not all of them are "protected". A prostitute can't call the police and expect ANY help if she is raped and beaten.


Says who? Rape is against the law regardless of who the victim is.



Maybe in YOUR mind they do not, but this country was founded on religion and politics mixing, lol. Plenty of countries have religious politics with NO issues at all (probably because the politics coincide with the religion and vice versa), so why not the USA as well?

The country was founded on keeping religion out of politics. The first words of the First Amendment specifically say so:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

How much clearer did they need to be?

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 09:00 PM
You wish it was BS, but you're not exactly being fairminded.


Spoken like a Republican. Want to call me a leftie or some other name like everyone always does?


Newsflash....I gave Palin props for some of her issues on gays

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 09:02 PM
Says who? Rape is against the law regardless of who the victim is.


The country was founded on keeping religion out of politics. The first words of the First Amendment specifically say so:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

How much clearer did they need to be?



Thank you!

Jay Zeno
09-04-2008, 09:12 PM
The country was founded on keeping religion out of politics. The first words of the First Amendment specifically say so:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

How much clearer did they need to be?And just in case, the last clause of Article VI: " ...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualificaiton to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

Zia_Abq
09-04-2008, 09:21 PM
And just in case, the last clause of Article VI: "...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualificaiton to any Office or public Trust under the United States"


If only it were as true in practice and deed as it is in word.

eagle2
09-04-2008, 09:22 PM
However for me and every woman on this board within childbearing age it a HUGE deal to be told you have no choice so your body and health will be hijacked for 9 months and you will bear a child of your rapist or molester, a genetically disabled child, or a child you simply cannot afford.....whether you like it or not! 90% of genetically disabled children are aborted meaning 45% of those mothers are conservatives who don't practice what they preach!

For a number of conservative women, it's only wrong for other women to have abortions. It's okay for them to have abortions themselves.

http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 09:26 PM
Apparently a lot clearer for you to understand it.

That phrase is keeping politics out of religion, not vice versa. Notice it does not say "Any person assuming public office must renounce all principles of right and wrong derived from their religious beliefs", which would be required to "keep religion out of politics".

Somehow I seem to have missed all the cries of horror when the Pope and Bishops denounce the Iraq war or call for social justice for the poor. None of you seem to resent New England religious leaders who fired the abolitionist movement to end slavery, or more recently those who participated in the civil rights struggle or protests against the Viet Nam and Iraq wars.

Maybe conservatives don't don't have a monopoly on hypocrisy...




I can respect all of that...but that's not the issue....not for me anyway

Zia_Abq
09-04-2008, 09:31 PM
Spoken like a Republican. Want to call me a leftie or some other name like everyone always does?


Newsflash....I gave Palin props for some of her issues on gays

Consider ignoring him and the couple of other men like him. I mean what do they add to this site anyway? Not much from what I can tell. They so aren't worth your time or effort anymore. All they want is to push our buttons. To get free attention from women. That's it.

jester214
09-04-2008, 10:03 PM
Consider ignoring him and the couple of other men like him. I mean what do they add to this site anyway? Not much from what I can tell. They so aren't worth your time or effort anymore. All they want is to push our buttons. To get free attention from women. That's it.


What do you add? I don't know about your posts outside of member boards, but all I've seen since this discussion has came up; is a complete inability to do anything but bash McCain, or Palin, and a total refusal to look at any logic.

Oh god you've figured me out! I want free attention from women! Nice insult.

sapphiregirl
09-04-2008, 10:14 PM
What do you add? I don't know about your posts outside of member boards, but all I've seen since this discussion has came up; is a complete inability to do anything but bash McCain, or Palin, and a total refusal to look at any logic.

Oh god you've figured me out! I want free attention from women! Nice insult.



Jester214,

Are you voting for McCain?

Djoser
09-05-2008, 03:16 AM
What do you add? I don't know about your posts outside of member boards, but all I've seen since this discussion has came up; is a complete inability to do anything but bash McCain, or Palin, and a total refusal to look at any logic.

Oh god you've figured me out! I want free attention from women!

Well apparently you do, why the hell else would you join a forum for strippers if you aren't in the industry?? Unless maybe it's to insult their intelligence.

Speaking of which, it doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to figure out that a woman in elected office trying to ban books, teach Creationism in public schools, curtail the use of contraceptives, etc., etc. will undoubtably be in favor of shutting down stripclubs, and prohibiting the portrayal of nudity and other forms of adult entertainment.

Look what the US Supreme Court just did to the law concerning nudity in Daytona Beach. Now strippers have to wear 1950's era attire instead, or they will be arrested and heavily fined and/or imprisoned, and have a permanent record of a sex crime. Marked for life as some sort of scum, for revealing a fucking nipple for even a split second, for chrissakes.

So if you are a member of a forum for adult industry workers, why the fuck would you think it illogical to be vehement in opposition to the possibility of atavistic bitches, opposed to sexual entertainment, being elected to high public office??

What the hell do you add, other than useless, illogical contention?

Miss_Luscious
09-05-2008, 06:07 AM
Well apparently you do, why the hell else would you join a forum for strippers if you aren't in the industry?? Unless maybe it's to insult their intelligence.

Speaking of which, it doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to figure out that a woman in elected office trying to ban books, teach Creationism in public schools, curtail the use of contraceptives, etc., etc. will undoubtably be in favor of shutting down stripclubs, and prohibiting the portrayal of nudity and other forms of adult entertainment.

Look what the US Supreme Court just did to the law concerning nudity in Daytona Beach. Now strippers have to wear 1950's era attire instead, or they will be arrested and heavily fined and/or imprisoned, and have a permanent record of a sex crime. Marked for life as some sort of scum, for revealing a fucking nipple for even a split second, for chrissakes.

So if you are a member of a forum for adult industry workers, why the fuck would you think it illogical to be vehement in opposition to the possibility of atavistic bitches, opposed to sexual entertainment, being elected to high public office??

What the hell do you add, other than useless, illogical contention?

Well DAMN Djoser! I was going to post something similar but I'll just co-sign your post instead.

kitana
09-05-2008, 06:49 AM
There is no military oath to uphold God, country and honor. The military takes an oath to defend the Constitution.

When I was in the Corps, it was G-d, country and CORPS, nothing else.

kitana
09-05-2008, 06:50 AM
Says who? Rape is against the law regardless of who the victim is.

Says who?! Says statistics that have show that to be fact.