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Eric Stoner
09-05-2008, 08:18 AM
I'm happy people are trying to correct that mistake. That's all I can hope for
What do you think of Palin's son going to Iraq? Wouldn't he be a target over there?
It's a fair question. It's rumored that the Pentagon takes steps to keep guys like Palin's kid and other children of Congressmen and Senators out of harm's way i.e. assign them to quiet sectors.
Eric Stoner
09-05-2008, 08:23 AM
Well apparently you do, why the hell else would you join a forum for strippers if you aren't in the industry?? Unless maybe it's to insult their intelligence.
Speaking of which, it doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to figure out that a woman in elected office trying to ban books, teach Creationism in public schools, curtail the use of contraceptives, etc., etc. will undoubtably be in favor of shutting down stripclubs, and prohibiting the portrayal of nudity and other forms of adult entertainment.
Look what the US Supreme Court just did to the law concerning nudity in Daytona Beach. Now strippers have to wear 1950's era attire instead, or they will be arrested and heavily fined and/or imprisoned, and have a permanent record of a sex crime. Marked for life as some sort of scum, for revealing a fucking nipple for even a split second, for chrissakes.
So if you are a member of a forum for adult industry workers, why the fuck would you think it illogical to be vehement in opposition to the possibility of atavistic bitches, opposed to sexual entertainment, being elected to high public office??
What the hell do you add, other than useless, illogical contention?
If anybody can figure out Daytona , let me know. They kick strippers to the curb
yet permit their town to be invaded by thousands of bikers and spring-breakers.
Eric Stoner
09-05-2008, 08:27 AM
This is true. But if we are going to take G-d out of politics, we all better burn our money right now, rofl! ;)
Don't forget the military oath to uphold G-d, country and honor.
This country was founded by Puratanicals, it hasn't changed much in past 400 years or so. Sad huh?
The Military Oath says NOTHING about God. The oath-taker swears to inter alia
"protect and defend the Constitution". Unless you're counting the " so help me God " part.
kitana
09-05-2008, 08:32 AM
The Mil.itary Oath says NOTHING about God. The oath-taker swears to inter alia
"protect and defend the Constitution". Unless you're counting the " so help me God " part.
Ask any Marine you know what they swear to uphold, and they will tell you G-d, country, and Corps.
Eric Stoner
09-05-2008, 09:33 AM
Ask any Marine you know what they swear to uphold, and they will tell you G-d, country, and Corps.
That's nice BUT God is not mentioned in neither the Induction nor Commissioning Oaths except for the "so help me God" part.
bem401
09-05-2008, 09:50 AM
That's nice BUT God is not mentioned in neither the Induction nor Commissioning Oaths except for the "so help me God" part.
I think Kitana might be relying on Keifer Sutherland's line in "A Few Good Men" where he is says "Unit, Corps, God, Country" in response to Tom Cruise's inquiries about the code he follows.
Zia_Abq
09-05-2008, 10:04 AM
Well DAMN Djoser! I was going to post something similar but I'll just co-sign your post instead.Cool. I'm so glad I'm not alone in feeling that way. I'd also like to say :thanx: to Djoser for putting all that out there not only as an industry male but also as a mod.
Djoser
09-05-2008, 10:38 AM
Thanks, but I'm not sure it was being a good mod. I was expressing my opinion rather freely and vehemently. Mods aren't supposed to further provoke an already highly inflammable political debate, I don't think.
But I do have to wonder at the motivation for some people being members and posting on this site at times.
And for a customer member to question what a dancer member contributes to a forum for dancers does strike me as being of rather questionable logic. Does...not...compute...
I think I need to just try to stay out of the political discussions, though, as many of us probably should.
sapphiregirl
09-05-2008, 11:37 AM
Well... gives me confidence on women's issues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6IlGXhCUHo
Zia_Abq
09-05-2008, 11:44 AM
Thanks, but I'm not sure it was being a good mod. I was expressing my opinion rather freely and vehemently. Mods aren't supposed to further provoke an already highly inflammable political debate, I don't think.
Ah yes I see what you mean now. I didn’t know the specific rules for you mods here. But at any rate, I appreciated your input. I’ll let it drop now though. Best to get back to topic anyway :)
bem401
09-05-2008, 01:25 PM
it doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to figure out that a woman in elected office trying to ban books, teach Creationism in public schools, curtail the use of contraceptives, etc., etc. will undoubtably be in favor of shutting down stripclubs, and prohibiting the portrayal of nudity and other forms of adult entertainment.
First, you're kind of jumping to conclusions here. Second, strip clubs are governed by the legislative branches of state and local governments, not the executive branch of the federal government. They are protected under the First Amendment of the Constitution as well.
I also think you are coloring your accusations a bit as well. I read the inquiry into the banning of books was on behalf of a constituent. The problem isn't with mentioning creationism but with excluding evolution. As long as both are mentioned and neither advocated to the other's detriment, what's the problem? Finally, I'm sure the contraceptive thing involved not making them readily available in the public schools to underage students.
sapphiregirl
09-05-2008, 01:47 PM
Sarah Palin and the environment.....She is Pathetic. I would refuse to vote for McCain on this alone.
Sarah Palin and the Environment
Governor Sarah Palin has an extreme anti-conservation record on issues ranging from global warming, energy and drilling to wildlife and habitat protection.
Aerial hunting of wolves and bears
Governor Palin is an active promoter of Alaska's aerial hunting program whereby wolves and bears are shot from the air or chased by airplanes to the point of exhaustion before the pilot lands the plane and a gunner shoots the animals point blank.
Palin offered a $150 bounty for wolves to entice hunters to kill more wolves in certain parts of the state, with hunters having to present a wolf's foreleg to collect the bounty.
She actively opposed a ballot measure campaign seeking to end the aerial hunting of wolves by private hunters and approved a $400,000 state-funded campaign aimed at swaying people's votes on the issue.
She also introduced legislation to make it easier to kill wolves and bears and which would have also removed the aerial hunting initiative from the ballot and block the ability of citizens to vote on the issue.
The Board of Game, which she appoints, has approved the killing of black bear sows with cubs as part of the program and expanded the aerial control programs.
The media is currently looking into reports that state officials implementing one of the aerial wolf killing programs illegally killed five-week old wolf pups just outside their dens.
Global Warming
As recently as August 2008, Governor Palin questioned whether man-made fossil fuel emissions are responsible for global warming, defying worldwide scientific consensus (Newsmax 8/29/08 (http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/sarah_palin_vp/2008/08/29/126139.html)). And her drill-drill-drill approach to energy issues will do nothing to ease the causes of global warming, promote the use of clean, renewable energy sources, or break our addiction to foreign oil.
Endangered Species
Palin has repeatedly opposed the listing of endangered animals under the Endangered Species List despite overwhelming scientific evidence that such listings are warranted.
Polar Bear
The U.S. Geological Survey predicts that loss of summer sea ice - crucial habitat for polar bears - could lead to the demise of two-thirds of the world's polar bears by mid-century, including all of Alaska's polar bears. The Bush administration has proposed listing the polar bears as threatened under the ESA to help protect polar bear habitat from threats such as oil and gas development.
Governor Palin has actively opposed the listing of the polar bear despite the fact that Alaska's top marine mammal biologists agreed with the federal scientists who believed the bear should be listed. She wrote the Secretary of Interior urging him not to list the bear on the ground it might hurt the state's oil- and gas-dependent economy. After the bear was listed, she recently filed suit seeking to overturn the listing of polar bears.
Beluga Whales
Alaska's Cook Inlet beluga whales are a unique group of white whales whose numbers have dramatically declined in the past two decades due to pressures ranging from pollution to increased ship traffic. Governor Palin opposes the listing of the Cook Inlet beluga whales, citing the listing as a threat to oil and gas development, despite their genetic uniqueness and the fact that their numbers have decreased from 1,300 in the 1980s to about 350 today.
Drilling
Palin is a strong supporter of drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, a vital wilderness area. It is home to hundreds of thousands of caribou who use the refuge as a calving ground, more than one million migratory birds, and countless other wildlife. It's the most important onshore denning habitat for female polar bears. Senator McCain himself has repeatedly voted to protect this pristine wilderness area. Palin is also a supporter of drilling in Bristol Bay and other offshore sites despite the risks to sensitive marine wildlife in the area, including the endangered polar bear and Beluga whale.
Clean Water and Pebble Mine
Governor Palin actively campaigned against a state ballot measure this summer aimed at protecting Alaska's Bristol Bay. The mining industry seeks to develop a gold and copper mine in the area that would pollute the Bay's headwaters and threaten the spawning grounds for the largest remaining wild salmon run. The initiative would have prevented large-scale mining operations from dumping waste materials into salmon watersheds
Melonie
09-05-2008, 02:03 PM
^^^ and exactly what criteria was used to determine that polar bears are a 'threatened' species ? Al Gore's producer and scriptwriter's imaginations ? ...
(snip)"More groups join polar bear lawsuit
PETROLEUM INSTITUTE, FOUR OTHERS JOIN ALASKA'S EFFORTS TO OVERTURN PROTECTION
By Kari Lydersen
Washington Post
Article Launched: 08/31/2008 01:34:12 AM PDT
CHICAGO - The American Petroleum Institute and four other business groups filed suit Thursday against Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Director Dale Hall, joining Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's administration in trying to reverse the listing of the polar bear as a threatened species.
Aug. 4, the state of Alaska filed a lawsuit opposing the polar bear's listing, arguing their populations as a whole are stable and melting sea ice does not pose an imminent threat to their survival. The suit says polar bears have survived warming periods in the past. The federal government has 60 days to respond.
One of the plaintiffs in Thursday's lawsuit, the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM), lauded the choice of Palin as the Republican vice-presidential nominee for reasons including her advocacy of Alaskan oil and gas exploration, which many fear could be affected by the bear's protected status.
NAM and the petroleum institute were joined in the lawsuit by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Mining Association and the American Iron and Steel Institute. They object to what they call the "Alaska Gap" in relation to the rule the federal government issued in May in conjunction with the polar bear's protected status. The rule, meant to prevent the polar bear's status from being used as a tool for imposing greenhouse gas limits, exempts projects in all states except Alaska from undergoing review in relation to emissions.
NAM vice president Keith McCoy said the group sees the rule as unfairly subjecting Alaskan industry to greenhouse gas controls and opening a back door for greenhouse gas regulation nationwide.
"This could significantly curtail oil and gas exploration," especially on Alaska's North Slope, he said. "During a time when gas prices are high and we need to look at all options, to issue something that shuts off a viable resource" is ill-advised, he said.
The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court for the D.C. Circuit, notes that greenhouse gas emissions worldwide contribute to global warming and says that projects in Alaska should not be subject to special scrutiny because of the polar bear's status.
Kassie Siegel, climate program director for the Center for Biological Diversity, which originally petitioned to list the polar bear as an endangered species in 2005, decried the assertion in the Alaska suit that science does not prove polar bear populations are declining. The center also is suing the federal government, seeking to change the polar bear's status from "threatened" to "endangered.""(snip)
sapphiregirl
09-05-2008, 02:11 PM
^^^ and exactly what criteria was used to determine that polar bears are a 'threatened' species ? Al Gore's producer and scriptwriter's imaginations ? ...
http://www.mercurynews.com/nationworld/ci_10349694
(snip)"More groups join polar bear lawsuit
PETROLEUM INSTITUTE, FOUR OTHERS JOIN ALASKA'S EFFORTS TO OVERTURN PROTECTION
By Kari Lydersen
Washington Post
Article Launched: 08/31/2008 01:34:12 AM PDT
CHICAGO - The American Petroleum Institute and four other business groups filed suit Thursday against Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Director Dale Hall, joining Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's administration in trying to reverse the listing of the polar bear as a threatened species.
Aug. 4, the state of Alaska filed a lawsuit opposing the polar bear's listing, arguing their populations as a whole are stable and melting sea ice does not pose an imminent threat to their survival. The suit says polar bears have survived warming periods in the past. The federal government has 60 days to respond.
One of the plaintiffs in Thursday's lawsuit, the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM), lauded the choice of Palin as the Republican vice-presidential nominee for reasons including her advocacy of Alaskan oil and gas exploration, which many fear could be affected by the bear's protected status.
NAM and the petroleum institute were joined in the lawsuit by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Mining Association and the American Iron and Steel Institute. They object to what they call the "Alaska Gap" in relation to the rule the federal government issued in May in conjunction with the polar bear's protected status. The rule, meant to prevent the polar bear's status from being used as a tool for imposing greenhouse gas limits, exempts projects in all states except Alaska from undergoing review in relation to emissions.
NAM vice president Keith McCoy said the group sees the rule as unfairly subjecting Alaskan industry to greenhouse gas controls and opening a back door for greenhouse gas regulation nationwide.
"This could significantly curtail oil and gas exploration," especially on Alaska's North Slope, he said. "During a time when gas prices are high and we need to look at all options, to issue something that shuts off a viable resource" is ill-advised, he said.
The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court for the D.C. Circuit, notes that greenhouse gas emissions worldwide contribute to global warming and says that projects in Alaska should not be subject to special scrutiny because of the polar bear's status.
Kassie Siegel, climate program director for the Center for Biological Diversity, which originally petitioned to list the polar bear as an endangered species in 2005, decried the assertion in the Alaska suit that science does not prove polar bear populations are declining. The center also is suing the federal government, seeking to change the polar bear's status from "threatened" to "endangered.""(snip)
Here is another option....respect them, be glad they are part of our earth and protect them....WHAT A CONCEPT!
Jay Zeno
09-05-2008, 02:42 PM
The polar bear isn't endangered yet. Its range goes around the Arctic Circle, from Russia to Norway to Greenland to North America. The majority of the population (maybe 25,000) is in Canada.
Srhinking polar ice does pose a big problem for polar bears. And as the ice shrinks, they hit the land more. That poses problems for human populations. It's an old story. We can be certain that as climate change continues, the polar bear population will be stressed.
I'm not in favor of ANWR drilling except as a last resort, but I'm not convinced that isolated and careful North Slope drilling and piping poses any great problem to the polar bear population. Climate change is a much greater threat. I just want to hear that any development on the tundra is isolated and carefully managed. It's a fragile ecosystem.
sapphiregirl
09-05-2008, 02:58 PM
The polar bear isn't endangered yet. Its range goes around the Arctic Circle, from Russia to Norway to Greenland to North America. The majority of the population (maybe 25,000) is in Canada.
Srhinking polar ice does pose a big problem for polar bears. And as the ice shrinks, they hit the land more. That poses problems for human populations. It's an old story. We can be certain that as climate change continues, the polar bear population will be stressed.
I'm not in favor of ANWR drilling except as a last resort, but I'm not convinced that isolated and careful North Slope drilling and piping poses any great problem to the polar bear population. Climate change is a much greater threat. I just want to hear that any development on the tundra is isolated and carefully managed. It's a fragile ecosystem.
The one thing I love to do most with my time is be around wildlife....especially wildlife photography. I despise pollution etc.
It would be a DREAM to visit Alaska and shoot polar bears, wolves and beluga whales with my camera.
Sarah Palin and I would not last long in a room together.....funny thing is my name is Sarah too.
kitana
09-05-2008, 03:19 PM
Sarah Palin and I would not last long in a room together.....funny thing is my name is Sarah too.
Well....ONE of you wouldn't last long, lol.
You have a camera, she has a gun; my money is on her.
Melonie
09-05-2008, 03:21 PM
Sarah Palin and I would not last long in a room together.....funny thing is my name is Sarah too.
arguably, Sarah Palin would outlast you by a wide margin if you were both surrounded by a pack of Alaskan wolves !
sapphiregirl
09-05-2008, 03:23 PM
Well....ONE of you wouldn't last long, lol.
You have a camera, she has a gun; my money is on her.
Well, that was a brilliant thing to post!!!!!!
kitana
09-05-2008, 03:38 PM
Well, that was a brilliant thing to post!!!!!!
I know right?:P;D
Jay Zeno
09-05-2008, 03:40 PM
arguably, Sarah Palin would outlast you by a wide margin if you were both surrounded by a pack of Alaskan wolves !They'd probably both be fine. Wolf attacks on humans in North America are quite rare, Jack London stories notwithstanding.
Polar bears, however, are another issue. I believe humans are in the entree section.
sapphiregirl
09-05-2008, 03:50 PM
arguably, Sarah Palin would outlast you by a wide margin if you were both surrounded by a pack of Alaskan wolves !
You post like I want to walk up and pet polar bears and wolves on the head.
I actually have a lot of experience with wildlife....I would be fine.
I hung up the thong and platforms to follow other dreams. I'd put the platforms back on to go to a benefit for wolves and polar bears though.
Sarah Palin just looks like a gun tooting redneck with zero respect for anything in nature....yep...give me my camera. ;D
eagle2
09-05-2008, 04:28 PM
I also think you are coloring your accusations a bit as well. I read the inquiry into the banning of books was on behalf of a constituent. The problem isn't with mentioning creationism but with excluding evolution. As long as both are mentioned and neither advocated to the other's detriment, what's the problem? Finally, I'm sure the contraceptive thing involved not making them readily available in the public schools to underage students.
There is a problem with mentioning creationism. It's against the law. It violates the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has already ruled on it.
Students in public schools need contraception. Otherwise many of them will end up like Sarah Palin's daughter.
G-Real
09-05-2008, 04:39 PM
That's nice BUT God is not mentioned in neither the Induction nor Commissioning Oaths except for the "so help me God" part.
and for the most part, hasn't it been replaced by "so help me." ?
G-Real
09-05-2008, 04:40 PM
arguably, Sarah Palin would outlast you by a wide margin if you were both surrounded by a pack of Alaskan wolves !
well does that count her in the helicopter chasing wolves until they fall from exhaustion and then they shoot the animal? just wondering......
sapphiregirl
09-05-2008, 04:50 PM
Sarah Palin's "Speech To Nowhere"....lol
Thursday, September 4, 2008
Palin's speech to nowhere...Wil Baker
(http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Sad.html)http://media.philly.com/images/090308_palin4004.jpg
Sarah Palin delivered a great speech (http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/conventions/videos/transcripts/20080903_PALIN_SPEECH.html) tonight -- for her party, for John McCain, for herself, for what she set out to accomplish. This was America's first real glimpse at the Alaska governor, and what we saw was a boffo politician who speaks in a plaintive prairie voice that channels America's Heartland like a chilling breeze rippling a field of wheat, who knows how to tell a joke, how to bring down the house and bring a tear to a few eyes. She is proud of her family, as she should be, and there is much to admire in her own "personal journey of discovery" (don't we all have these, by the way?) including her efforts to raise her son Trig. It is indeed nice to think that there would be an advocate for such children inside the corridors of the White House, although I'd surely like to hear what -- if anything -- she's done for special needs kids as governor of Alaska.
But...it was a great speech -- written for someone else, a male in fact (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/03/1331277.aspx), days before the Palin selection was even a gleam in John McCain's eye, but a great speech nonetheless. The pundits are fawning over it as I write this -- Tom Brokaw said she could not have been "more winning and more engaging" -- and in a world that is dominated by horse race journalism I can understand why, because I agree that Palin's one-of-a-kind story has given her long shot running mate a decent chance now of pulling this one out at the finish line.
It's a good metaphor, a horse race, because in the end it finishes right near where it started -- just as it will be for America if John McCain and Sarah Palin are sworn in on Jan. 20, 2009. Yes, it was a great speech politically, and a great night for her family, but an empty speech for America -- and for America's families. It was defined by its lowest moment, Palin's shameless lie about "the Bridge to Nowhere."
This was a Speech to Nowhere.
It was a Speech to Nowhere when Palin said that "I told the Congress 'Thanks but no thanks' on that Bridge to Nowhere, because that was a lie (http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=10216), and the worst kind of lie in American politics, a blatant falsehood that showed utter contempt for the American people that Palin pledged to serve, assuming we are too stupid to look up or know that truth, that she pushed for those funds in Congress and while she got great political mileage out of announcing that she was killing the project, she still has not returned the funds to American people.
It was a Speech to Nowhere because Palin also boasted seconds before that other lie of fighting against wasteful earmarks in Congress, even though she pushed for and accepted $27 million of such grants (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/09/palins_earmarks_spark_question.html?hpid=topnews) when she was mayor of Wasilla.
It was a Speech to Nowhere because Palin said that "we've got lots" of oil and gas this country, and while one supposes that all depends upon what you definition of the words "lots" is, the production of oil in the United States has been irrevocably on the decline since 1970 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbert_peak_theory), and with her words she showed this nation that she and John McCain will perpetrate the dangerous myths that began with Ronald Reagan at his acceptance speech in 1980, that sunny optimism is the solution (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/07/07/2008-07-07_energy_crisis_shows_that_its_time_to_scr.html) to all our energy woes, and not a posture that put energy research on a war footing, or requires moral leadership on conservation, mass transit, or any other common sense answers whatsoever.
It was a Speech to Nowhere because Palin boasted that "I stood up to the special interests, and the lobbyists, and the Big Oil companies," and the audience cheered -- after eight brutal years of the same crowd's cheering for two oilmen in the White House who fiddled while $4-a-gallon gas burned and while American men and women died in a needless war fought on top of an oilfield, and while lobbyist friends like Jack Abramoff and Ralph Reed got rich at the same time.
It was a Speech to Nowhere because Palin had the nerve to talk at length about John McCain's "torturous interrogations" in the very same speech when she all but condoned the continuation of similar, abhorrent practices that have been directed for eight years by our own U.S. leaders, when she stated that Democrats are "worried that someone won't read them [terrorism suspects] their rights."
It was a Speech to Nowhere because Palin belittled "community organizers (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/4/02739/39108/335/585475)" -- thousands of Americans who work long hours for little pay in some of the toughest neighborhoods, trying to assist the American Dream that even the poorest among us can pull themselves out of the muck with a helping hand. Palin and other GOP speakers have turned a noble job into a dirty word tonight -- shame on you! Listen to what CNN's Roland Martin (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/4/0829/95775/196/585598) said after Palin's speech was over.
My two parents are sitting home in Houston, Texas and they are both community organizers and the GOP and Sarah Palin might have well have said "being community organizers doesn't matter" to my parents face. I'm disgusted. Community organizers keep people in their homes, keep their lights on, keep food in the fridge.
It was a Speech to Nowhere because it made no mention of the men that Sarah Palin and John McCain are running to replace -- their names are Dick Cheney and George W. Bush, in case you've forgotten this week -- and no acknowledgment that as many 80 percent of Americans believe this country is on the wrong track, or that you can't solve a nation's problems when you deny they exist.
It was a Speech to Nowhere because...well, I urge everyone to read the text, without Palin's sharp delivery or her adoring fans in the crowd and in the press box, and tell me where there is any kind of policy at all -- except for the short boilerplate passage on energy -- or any mention of the issues that concern everyday Americans, including the No. 1 issue of the economy. Show me the part where this "grand slam" of speech touches on how citizens can afford health care or sending their kids to college.
But more than anything else, it was a Speech to Nowhere because for all the acclaim, the great bulk of it was devoted to one thing, and that is the one thing that millions of Americans are talking about in 2008 when we talk about "change" -- to the ugliest kind of "pit bull" politics, to use Palin's words, that tear down the other side with cheap ad hominem attacks, surrounded by a cloud of half-truths (uh, those "Greek columns"...did you actually even watch Obama's speech? Because there weren't any) and ridiculous innuendo about "parting the waters" which means nothing but fires up a big hockey rink full of Dittoheads. These kind of vicious attacks -- without having the grace to acknowledge that, despite some real differences on issues with Obama, that he has already accomplished something impressive that says something positive about America and the progress we've made -- were utterly lacking in class. And this is what Tom Brokaw considers "winning" -- have we really sunk that low as a nation?. The people of America want and deserve a real debate, now trash talk from the basketball point guard who was once called "Sarah Barracuda (http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/usa/news/article_1428663.php/PROFILE_Palin_brings_reform_record_conservative_cr edentials_)."
I hope America wakes up tomorrow and realizes that Sarah Palin's words were rousing -- and completely empty, that they offered no road map (let alone bridge) for America other than more of the bogus partisan name-calling that has gotten us into the mess that we're in now.
Actually, let me rephrase that.
I hope America wakes up tomorrow.
eagle2
09-05-2008, 04:54 PM
Ask any Marine you know what they swear to uphold, and they will tell you G-d, country, and Corps.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/oathofenlist.htm
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
kitana
09-05-2008, 05:22 PM
Students in public schools need contraception. Otherwise many of them will end up like Sarah Palin's daughter.
Maybe, but that is the PARENT'S JOB, not the job of the school system.
Sorry, but I simply do NOT trust the school system to teach my child all there is to know about sex, pregnancy, puberty OR contraception.
Again, that is the job of the parent's not the school.
And what is wrong with SP's daughter? Hell, 75yrs ago, if you WEREN'T married w/child by age 17, you were damn near a spinster!
kitana
09-05-2008, 05:23 PM
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/oathofenlist.htm
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
Like I said, ask a Marine, they will tell you: G-d, Country and Corps in that order.
Optimist
09-05-2008, 05:23 PM
What the hell do you add, other than useless, illogical contention?
Halelujah!!
eagle2
09-05-2008, 05:31 PM
Maybe, but that is the PARENT'S JOB, not the job of the school system.
Sorry, but I simply do NOT trust the school system to teach my child all there is to know about sex, pregnancy, puberty OR contraception.
Again, that is the job of the parent's not the school.
I don't trust Christian Fundamentalists to teach their children about preventing unwanted pregnancies and STD's.
And what is wrong with SP's daughter? Hell, 75yrs ago, if you WEREN'T married w/child by age 17, you were damn near a spinster!
I doubt very much she could support herself and her baby on her own. Not all teenagers that become pregnant are fortunate to have parents that are able and willing to support them.
kitana
09-05-2008, 05:37 PM
I don't trust Christian Fundamentalists to teach their children about preventing unwanted pregnancies and STD's.
Guess what? You don't have to trust them, they are NOT your children, nor are they your responsibility.
Zia_Abq
09-05-2008, 05:42 PM
Sorry, but I simply do NOT trust the school system to teach my child all there is to know about sex, pregnancy, puberty OR contraception.
Maybe not but consider this- at best it can reinforce proper teaching about such issues by parents. At worst it sure is a nice back up for kids whose parents are either too stupid, religious or absent to bother teaching their kids the "birds and the bees" and how to stay safe from disease and pregnancy. So it is a win/win for the reproductive health and wellbeing of kids around the nation.
Miss_Luscious
09-05-2008, 06:02 PM
Maybe not but consider this- at best it can reinforce proper teaching about such issues by parents. At worst it sure is a nice back up for kids whose parents are either too stupid, religious or absent to bother teaching their kids the "birds and the bees" and how to stay safe from disease and pregnancy. So it is a win/win for the reproductive health and wellbeing of kids around the nation.
Agreed. I'd rather them have that knowledge and choose to not have sex than to be completely clueless and choose to have sex. It could be a matter or life and death with things like HIV floating around.
eagle2
09-05-2008, 06:24 PM
Guess what? You don't have to trust them, they are NOT your children, nor are they your responsibility.
Sorry Kitana, but it is a concern to me when teenagers end up with unplanned pregnancies, getting abortions (sometimes unsafe illegal abortions), STD's, and AID's because their parents weren't responsible enough to teach them all of the facts about how to prevent these from happening.
Optimist
09-05-2008, 06:44 PM
Guess what? You don't have to trust them, they are NOT your children, nor are they your responsibility.
Nawww they just expect me to pay to help raise them.
sapphiregirl
09-05-2008, 09:53 PM
Praise Jesus, Shoot a moose and get a pipeline!
Uggggggggggggg.....and she giggles and sounds so manipulative
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k
This one is down right scary....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs&feature=related
Sarah hasn't been transfigured yet. Maybe a Youtube of that is in the offing. So it's Messiah 1 - Sarah 0.
FBR
sapphiregirl
09-05-2008, 11:11 PM
Sarah hasn't been transfigured yet. Maybe a Youtube of that is in the offing. So it's Messiah 1 - Sarah 0.
FBR
Why are you on a stripper board with obamablognuts if you are a Republican? It's a liberal lifestyle and you are always downright nasty to liberals.
At least I know when democrats are winning...Republicans are pathetic.
PS...His name is Barack Obama. He wants a chance to be President not the Messiah~
kitana
09-06-2008, 02:15 AM
Why are you on a stripper board with obamablognuts if you are a Republican? It's a liberal lifestyle and you are always downright nasty to liberals.
At least I know when democrats are winning...Republicans are pathetic.
PS...His name is Barack Obama. He wants a chance to be President not the Messiah~
Not all of us are Demacraps, and not all of mind FBR ,being here, in fact some of us LIKE him! :O
I haven't seen him be nasty, unless you count facts being nasty.
sapphiregirl
09-06-2008, 02:46 AM
Not all of us are Demacraps, and not all of mind FBR ,being here, in fact some of us LIKE him! :O
I haven't seen him be nasty, unless you count facts being nasty.
LOL at Republicans being on stipper sites.....oh the hypocrisy is all over.
What do you think Sarah Palin thinks of stipper chat boards and strippers? You love her and her big bad gun so much.
kitana
09-06-2008, 03:14 AM
LOL at Republicans being on stipper sites.....oh the hypocrisy is all over.
What do you think Sarah Palin thinks of stipper chat boards and strippers? You love her and her big bad gun so much.
I think she would probably tell some of us we need to learn how to use English and not butcher it for one; secondly as long as we were not attacking her, I am sure we could make her understand that dancing is MUCH better than 95% of girls being on welfare, lol.
Also, how is it hypocrisy by being on a dancer site as a Republican; care to elaborate more, or do you prefer your same ole same ole attack?
Also, STOP PLEASE with the DAMN assumptions. I don't love her, I don't even know her, nor will I have the chance to know her, more than likely; how absurd to state something that ignorant.
sapphiregirl
09-06-2008, 03:26 AM
I think she would probably tell some of us we need to learn how to use English and not butcher it for one; secondly as long as we were not attacking her, I am sure we could make her understand that dancing is MUCH better than 95% of girls being on welfare, lol.
Also, how is it hypocrisy by being on a dancer site as a Republican; care to elaborate more, or do you prefer your same ole same ole attack?
Also, STOP PLEASE with the DAMN assumptions. I don't love her, I don't even know her, nor will I have the chance to know her, more than likely; how absurd to state something that ignorant.
I'll stop with my assumptions when you can stop following me around. You have nothing to say towards me that does not involve....words like "cunt" "your fucking family" "kiddo" "demacraps" etc.
ACT LIKE AN ADULT or at least have some class....if you can't- don't make posts to me anymore....I do not care what you have to say....it's trash.
Thank you~
Melonie
09-06-2008, 03:42 AM
Also, how is it hypocrisy by being on a dancer site as a Republican;
Arguably, from the point of view of professional dancers who treat their dancing career as a small business - and as such are fully subjected to gov't taxation and regulation - calls for political policies that would increase that level of taxation and regulation seem more than a bit hypocritical.
sapphiregirl
09-06-2008, 03:47 AM
Arguably, from the point of view of professional dancers who treat their dancing career as a small business - and as such are fully subjected to gov't taxation and regulation - calls for political policies that would increase that level of taxation and regulation seem more than a bit hypocritical.
I can agree with that....but you have to believe that the adult industry is a very liberal thinking industry.
Heck, Sarah Palin wanted to ban books.
Do you think Republicans or Liberal Lefties are responsible for that?
Last dance: Ga. town closes its only strip club
Sep 5 02:56 PM US/Eastern
By GREG BLUESTEIN
Associated Press Writer Write a Comment
In this photo provided by the city of Lavonia, Ga., a backhoe is seen waiting...
Keys and two one dollar bills found on the property rest on a table inside...
Mayor Ralph Owens stands outside the recently shut down Cafe Risque Tuesday...
LAVONIA, Ga. (AP) - The windowless building that once housed the town's only strip club sits empty in the middle of a sprawling gravel parking lot, made all the uglier by the scars from its final party.
This summer, a mob led by the mayor tore down gaudy billboards advertising topless dancers, put plywood over glass doors bearing a nude silhouette and purged the awnings proclaiming the incendiary name of the club—Cafe Risque—in a diesel-fueled bonfire.
Now Mayor Ralph Owens stands at the place where XXX once marked the spot, his grin widening as he takes out a set of jingling keys from his blue jeans.
"You want to take some pictures inside?" he says with a smirk, walking toward the metal building. "We own it."
Seven years after Lavonia was duped into allowing the strip club to open, it got even by secretly buying the club in a backhanded property swap. It cost the town $1 million, or roughly a third of Lavonia's annual budget. The deal could have come cheaper if Lavonia hadn't gone through a middleman.
But Owens says it was worth it, and Lavonia residents still stinging from the deception are eager to back him up.
"We're in the Bible Belt," says Ron Walters, the owner of a downtown flower shop. "You just don't do things like that here."
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Interstate 85 brushes by Lavonia on its way out of northeast Georgia and has fueled some growth there. But the 10 churches within a shout of downtown—that's nearly a church for every 200 people—still have only a handful of shops and a few sit-down restaurants for neighbors.
That's why the Florida businessman who came to town in 2001 seemed so promising. Jerry Sullivan vowed to build a mom-and-pop restaurant geared toward families, and drummed up support for the idea by presenting the plan to locals.
Linda LeCroy, who works at a downtown jewelry store, still remembers the stereotypical Southern name he pitched: "Skeeter's Big Biscuits."
"I was excited," she says now, shaking her head. "We all were."
Inspectors who took a final look at the building found a typical restaurant: a few tables, a stocked kitchen, a small counter area.
By the next morning, the place had transformed. A makeshift stage hugged its walls, complete with poles for the dancers. The lunch counter was replaced by a bar. Neon signs graced the walls and four stalls in the back served as changing rooms.
Sullivan died in his sleep in 2006 but his attorney, Gary Edinger, says now that this sort of trickery is the norm for the industry.
"He duped them. Very intentionally," says Edinger, a Florida lawyer who has represented strip clubs for 17 years. "When you go in and say you want to open a strip club, it never gets opened. But if you merely open, through subterfuge or whatever, there's not much that can be done."
Owens, who has led Lavonia since the late 1980s, quickly dispatched police to close the place down. The tussle soon landed in federal court, where a judge ruled as others before him have done, that nude dancing is a constitutionally protected form of expression.
Soon billboards in jarring red, yellow and black colors were posted along the highway, trumpeting the club's wares. Neighbors, already irritated they had been outsmarted, grew even more upset.
"Any time you have something like that in a small town, it can't help but be an embarrassment," says Gary Fesperman, the city manager since 2000. "It puts a stigma on the community—and it stays for years."
The city filed at least four more lawsuits, at a cost of thousands of dollars in legal fees, and never won a lasting victory. "To say it was a thorn in our side," says the mayor, "is an understatement."
In recent years, Lavonia's elders learned the club's owners wanted to sell but figured they wouldn't want to negotiate with the city, which might have been a false assumption.
"We have no gripes with the city at all," says Edinger, who represents Sullivan's estate. "They helped pay my mortgage. We would have sold it to them in a heartbeat—their money spends the same as anyone else's does."
Owens turned to a middleman, Stacey Britt, to buy the club himself and then turn it over to the city. On July 29, he bought the club for $762,000 and sold it hours later to the city for $995,000, making a cool profit of close to a quarter of a million dollars.
"It's just business," says Britt, a former commissioner for a nearby county.
The city paid for its share through a bond for a water treatment upgrade, which could end up costing Lavonia $1.2 million in interest payments.
"We're in an economic turndown and here we decide to spend $1 million. Was that the best use of funds?" shrugs Fesperman. "It's an investment, and it's something we had to do.
"The people expect you to stand up and fight. And the city went above and beyond to do so."
The proud new owner of Cafe Risque called a town meeting after the sale, and all the churches in Lavonia advertised it. A standing-room-only crowd of dozens showed up to city hall and rewarded the mayor and his council with a standing ovation when they announced the deal.
Then the mayor led about 50 citizens a few miles down the road. The group counted down from 10 and tore down the cafe's 12-foot-wide sign. They poured diesel on it and watched it go up.
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Owens sits in his office weeks later, still eager to talk about the sale. He shows visitors two manilla folders filled with notes from well-wishers. One is from a man named Davey Johnson who included a $20 bill.
"If I ever left Texas, and I won't, your city is where I'd go," he wrote.
Owens and his council hope to recoup the costs by selling the building, which sits on a 4.6 acre plot near the highway. Inside is a jukebox, a pool table and a fridge packed with food—so much so that the city used the leftovers to host a brunch of sausage, eggs and bacon.
The town also has come up with a rezoning scheme that will likely ward off strip clubs by limiting them to two spots: A gritty industrial area near the railroad tracks, and behind a chicken hatchery on the outskirts of town.
You can fool Lavonians once, but now they're certain another Cafe Risque won't open without their blessing.
"It was a disgrace, it was embarrassing," says LeCroy. "It's the best money this town has ever spent. Whatever it took to get rid of it, we'll make it back. It's just money."
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed
Melonie
09-06-2008, 04:25 AM
There are ample examples of both Republicans and Democrats instituting anti-strip club ordinances at the local level, and both republican and democrat politicians using club bust headlines to make political hay for themselves. Also, if the truth were told, many bible belt areas are perfectly content to have a 'nasty' strip club as long as it's inconspicuously located at the edge of town ! What they're REALLY interested in is avoiding 'embarrassment' of having a strip club located amongst other local businesses.
The real point I raised is exemplified by 'Strippers for Ron Paul' ( ) - with Ron Paul being the only politician to propose a Tax Free Tips Act at the federal level !
Where Sarah Palin is concerned, there are still strip clubs all over the state of Alaska aren't there, or did I miss something ?
Melonie
09-06-2008, 06:10 AM
also, for what it's worth, the latest Rasmussen poll results are interesting ...
(snip)"Palin Power: Fresh Face Now More Popular Than Obama, McCain
Friday, September 05, 2008
A week ago, most Americans had never heard of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. Now, following a Vice Presidential acceptance speech viewed live by more than 40 million people, Palin is viewed favorably by 58% of American voters. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 37% hold an unfavorable view of the self-described hockey mom.
The figures include 40% with a Very Favorable opinion of Palin and 18% with a Very Unfavorable view (full demographic crosstabs are available for Premium Members). Before her acceptance speech, Palin was viewed favorably by 52%. A week ago, 67% had never heard of her.
The new data also shows significant increases in the number who say McCain made the right choice and the number who say Palin is ready to be President. Generally, John McCain’s choice of Palin earns slightly better reviews than Barack Obama’s choice of Joe Biden.
Perhaps most stunning is the fact that Palin’s favorable ratings are now a point higher than either man at the top of the Presidential tickets this year. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%.
There is a strong partisan gap when it comes to perceptions of Palin. Eighty-nine percent (89%) of Republicans give her favorable reviews along with 33% of Democrats and 59% of voters not affiliated with either major party.
She earns positive reviews from 65% of men and 52% of women. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll shows that Obama continues to lead McCain among women voters while McCain leads among men. The Friday morning update—the first to include interviews conducted after Palin’s speech--showed the beginning of a Republican convention bounce that may match Obama’s bounce from last week.
Fifty-one percent (51%) of Americans believe that most reporters are trying to hurt Palin’s campaign, a fact that may enhance her own ratings."(snip)
Miss_Luscious
09-06-2008, 06:28 AM
Of course! She has a big buzz right now because she's the new face. I don't think it means she'll win the election for McCain but she is certainly getting a lot of attention. It's to be expected.
bem401
09-06-2008, 06:34 AM
There is a problem with mentioning creationism. It's against the law. It violates the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has already ruled on it.
Students in public schools need contraception. Otherwise many of them will end up like Sarah Palin's daughter.
Government endorsement of it violates the law, not mentioning it as one possible theory, which was what my post stated. Just like the government cannot endorse a religion, it doesn't have to pretend they don't exist.
There are two schools of thought regarding contraception in the schools. One is that contraceptives reduce disease and unwanted pregnancies, both of which are obviously good. The second is that it introduces and may actually encourage students to become sexually active at an earlier age than they might otherwise become active, and that's not good. I just think it is wrong for the schools to facilitate it. Educating them about their choices is good though.
Jay Zeno
09-06-2008, 07:16 AM
As a former Marine, I must say.... an argument over what Marines fight for isn't relevant here.
As an interested observer, I must say the notion that someone is disqualified to opine here because of being Republican is really the most basic form of attempted suppression of free speech. If you want to talk about "McSame," then you give license for someone else to talk about "Mr. Messiah."