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LadyM
08-31-2008, 08:51 PM
As a woman, and someone who wanted Hillary to win, no f-ing way am I voting for this woman-hater with ovaries. No how, no way.

And if the rumors I'm starting to hear are true--a) the Repubs suck at doing their homework, and b) this will blow up in the Repubs face so hard ppl will vote for Bozo the clown to keep them out of office.

jester214
08-31-2008, 09:01 PM
All I see is hating by a bunch of allready lefties. As an independent, I don't think she was a bad choice, and frankly she wasn't picked with the left in mind. Or even those in the middle, she was picked to shore up the Conservative. That's what she's going to do.

Roxelle
08-31-2008, 09:20 PM
Here's "pro life" Sarah Palin with her daughter:
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-08/41999285.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palin31-2008aug31,0,3379120.story

the woman is fucking sick in the head.

Zia_Abq
08-31-2008, 09:33 PM
All I see is hating by a bunch of allready lefties. As an independent, I don't think she was a bad choice

Wait. You're independant and not a far righter? Never would have guessed that by your posts. Never. Not in a million years.

sapphiregirl
08-31-2008, 09:34 PM
All I see is hating by a bunch of allready lefties. As an independent, I don't think she was a bad choice, and frankly she wasn't picked with the left in mind. Or even those in the middle, she was picked to shore up the Conservative. That's what she's going to do.



So we are "lefties"....I think you are the one hating.

She is nothing but a pawn for the Republican Party and its SAD they think voters are that stupid to buy it.

Since you think she is a good choice, maybe you can explain to her what a Vice President does.

Dirty Ernie
08-31-2008, 09:34 PM
Wow, the internet rumor mill has now churned out the claim the fifth child was actually born to Palin's daughter. I would assume this goes in the same category as Obama being muslim. But that falsehood still has legs today.

Zia_Abq
08-31-2008, 09:36 PM
As a woman, and someone who wanted Hillary to win, no f-ing way am I voting for this woman-hater with ovaries. No how, no way.

And if the rumors I'm starting to hear are true--a) the Repubs suck at doing their homework, and b) this will blow up in the Repubs face so hard ppl will vote for Bozo the clown to keep them out of office.

LOL at the woman hater with ovaries comment! And you've got rumors? Do tell, inquiring lefty minds want to know ;)

Djoser
08-31-2008, 09:41 PM
All I see is hating by a bunch of allready lefties.

What is an 'already leftie'?

Never mind, I can guess what it means.

I hope you have fun at the stripclub next time you go, because if this whacked out Jesus Freak bitch Palin has her way, there won't be many 'lefties'...

sapphiregirl
08-31-2008, 09:42 PM
Here's "pro life" Sarah Palin with her daughter:
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-08/41999285.jpg
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palin31-2008aug31,0,3379120.story

the woman is fucking sick in the head.





She doesn't care about the environment, wildlife, of climate change...not when it comes to OIL.


Sarah Palin against protecting Polar bears in favor of OIL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNoSlruaHh4

sapphiregirl
08-31-2008, 09:54 PM
All I see is hating by a bunch of allready lefties. As an independent, I don't think she was a bad choice, and frankly she wasn't picked with the left in mind. Or even those in the middle, she was picked to shore up the Conservative. That's what she's going to do.



As for your "leftie" comment. I actually grew up in Houston with a very Republican Father who worked in the Oil Industry. His Pastor is on President Bush's Prayer Committee with the far right religious leaders...SCARY

I've seen both sides of the fence and made my choice.

Budai
08-31-2008, 09:57 PM
Since when did Pro-lifers become secretive about their pregnancies? :-\

I'm shocked that McCain's camp was unaware of the rumors--whether or not they are true--circulating about Palin's 16-year-old daughter being the actual mother of the Downs Syndrome child. It opens their campaign to tangential scrutiny that can only undermine the very principles on which they stand...

Anchorage Daily News
March 6th, 2008
Secret's out: Palin pregnant
SEVEN MONTHS ALONG: Even her staff was unaware that the first family was expecting a fifth child.
Palin said she's already about seven months along, with the baby due to arrive in mid-May.

That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who's always been trim, simply doesn't look pregnant.

Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting.

"I thought it was becoming obvious," Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger."

But people just couldn't believe the news.



http://gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/08/juneaujuno.png

Emily
08-31-2008, 09:59 PM
I don't get the big deal of her hunting.

Not that I care for it, but like, so what? She eats meat. She's a redneck from a state full of rednecks. BFD.

Roxelle
08-31-2008, 10:05 PM
Wow, the internet rumor mill has now churned out the claim the fifth child was actually born to Palin's daughter. I would assume this goes in the same category as Obama being muslim. But that falsehood still has legs today.

No, I actually believe the story should have some legs. See:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/things-that-mak.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223
You don't find it odd that no one realized she was pregnant? Her daughter wasn't going to school? She was giving major speeches days after "giving birth?" And 4 months after "giving birth" this family-values Christian conservative is flying around the country vying for the 2nd top job in the US? She's not breastfeeding (or apparently spending much time with the the baby), that's for sure.

Roxelle
08-31-2008, 10:07 PM
I don't get the big deal of her hunting.

Not that I care for it, but like, so what? She eats meat. She's a redneck from a state full of rednecks. BFD.

She can be a hunter. I just find her with her daughter kneeling over a bloody body particularly sick. She needs to add "human fetus " to "pro life" though (she's also pro death penalty).

Emily
08-31-2008, 10:11 PM
it's pretty much assumed that pro-lifers are talking about humans since the majority of them are not vegetarians.

Standing over a bloody caribou with your kid. Buying her a Happy Meal. Same thing if your'e trying to find hypocrisy in the pro-life movement with this picture.

sapphiregirl
08-31-2008, 10:14 PM
I don't get the big deal of her hunting.

Not that I care for it, but like, so what? She eats meat. She's a redneck from a state full of rednecks. BFD.



I actually don't care if she hunts for food. I do have a big problem with how she exploits wildlife just to trophy hunt. How she supports aerial hunting of bears and wolves makes me sick.

She has no regard for the environment of wildlife....a true hunter would. She is just a Pro Life hypocrit who likes to kill animals because she can.

Roxelle
08-31-2008, 10:17 PM
Standing over a bloody caribou. Eating a hamburger. Same thing.

See, I don't exactly think so. The animal is just as dead, but I think many women are not going to get off on shooting an animal. They eat animals because there's a disconnection from pain and suffering. And if those women had to make the choice of being veg or killing animals themselves, a lot more of them would be veg.

My brother went out hunting when he was fairly young. His frend hit an animal. My brother watched the animal die and vowed NEVER to go hunting again, it made him so sad. I think it takes a different personality to kill another being and watch him die for fairly trivial reasons (especially trophy hunting). You might disagree, but that's my observation.

Emily
08-31-2008, 10:18 PM
I think America was built on exploiting animals.

While you don't think eating a burger is gross, I do. You can't get on someone for being a hypocrite for not respecting animal life if you are one yourself.

Dirty Ernie
08-31-2008, 10:19 PM
Her labor started at a governors conference in Texas and she flew back to Alaska on a commercial flight. I didn't think that was allowed. Had the baby the next morning.

Roxelle
08-31-2008, 10:25 PM
I think America was built on exploiting animals.

While you don't think eating a burger is gross, I do. You can't get on someone for being a hypocrite for not respecting animal life if you are one yourself.

Well, I'm a vegan, so I'm not really a hypocrite about it either way.

sapphiregirl
08-31-2008, 10:25 PM
See, I don't exactly think so. The animal is just as dead, but I think many women are not going to get off on shooting an animal. They eat animals because there's a disconnection from pain and suffering. And if those women had to make the choice of being veg or killing animals themselves, a lot more of them would be veg.

My brother went out hunting when he was fairly young. His frend hit an animal. My brother watched the animal die and vowed NEVER to go hunting again, it made him so sad. I think it takes a different personality to kill another being and watch him die for fairly trivial reasons (especially trophy hunting). You might disagree, but that's my observation.



I can see where you are offended by her hunting pictures. Most TRUE HUNTERS I've talked with think its a private thing. You, nature, whatever.
You are taking a life.

They are actually offended by people who post youtube videos etc of animals dying, dead.

As for Happy Meals......I bet BIG MONEY if Americans had to spend time in slaughter houses, a lot less would eat meat.

jester214
08-31-2008, 10:26 PM
Trust me, McCain's people would have dug up any dirt before they ever let her near the spot. And this is to big a thing to be missed

jester214
08-31-2008, 10:28 PM
As for Happy Meals......I bet BIG MONEY if Americans had to spend time in slaughter houses, a lot less would eat meat.

Maybe for an hour after they left, then they'd happily go back to munching on steaks.

Zia_Abq
08-31-2008, 10:29 PM
Wow. This is going to get REALLY interesting if it comes out she lied about who is the real mother of this baby.

Can the GOP be that dumb? I dunno. This one seems a bit far fetched even for them.

Emily
08-31-2008, 10:29 PM
Well, I'm a vegan.

good stuff, but lower 48 peeps live a different lifestyle than Alaskans. I think it's a right of passage to get a gunrack on your ATV there.

Budai
08-31-2008, 10:30 PM
Trust me, McCain's people would have dug up any dirt before they ever let her near the spot. And this is to big a thing to be missed

Okay, I trust you.

Roxelle
08-31-2008, 10:31 PM
Trust me, McCain's people would have dug up any dirt before they ever let her near the spot. And this is to big a thing to be missed

Yeah, you would think so. But honestly, the "evidence" is too compelling. But she can end any speculation with submitting her medical records (as the pres. candidates do).

I don't think they took a lot of time before choosing her.

Emily
08-31-2008, 10:33 PM
I don't think they took a lot of time before choosing her.

what else have they had to do in the last 4 months?!

Roxelle
08-31-2008, 10:35 PM
Well, they weren't in discussions with her, that's a fact.

Dirty Ernie
08-31-2008, 10:41 PM
Trust me, McCain's people would have dug up any dirt before they ever let her near the spot. And this is to big a thing to be missed

Maybe-Maybe not

Former House Speaker Gail Phillips, a Republican political leader who has clashed with Palin in the past, was shocked when she heard the news Friday morning with her husband, Walt.
"I said to Walt, 'This can't be happening, because his advance team didn't come to Alaska to check her out," Phillips said.
Phillips has been active in the Ted Stevens re-election steering committee and remains in close touch with Sen. Lisa Murkowski and other party leaders, and she said nobody had heard anything about McCain's people doing research on his prospective running mate.
"We're not a very big state. People I talk to would have heard something."

jester214
08-31-2008, 10:41 PM
^fact according to who?

jester214
08-31-2008, 10:42 PM
Well unless she's a complete idiot, and his entire campaign is too, neither of them would open themselves up to this kind of danger.

Roxelle
08-31-2008, 10:43 PM
^fact according to who?


John McCain on Friday announced a running mate whom he met only six months ago and with whom he spoke just once on the phone about the position before offering it in person earlier this week.

McCain’s first encounter with Sarah Palin came at a Washington meeting of the National Governors Association in February, according to a campaign-provided reconstruction of how the little-known Alaska governor was thrust into the national spotlight. The two discussed the position by phone on Sunday before McCain invited Palin and her husband to Arizona to formally make the offer. McCain, joined by his wife, Cindy, did just that Thursday morning at their home near Sedona, Ariz.

By picking somebody he and most Americans barely know — an out-of-the-blue decision that sent shock waves of disbelief through the political world and still has jaws agape — McCain has taken a considerable gamble.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12988.html

Djoser
08-31-2008, 10:45 PM
I see where you are coming from Emily, but the picture of her with her daughter celebrating as the blood runs out into the snow is a potent 'anti-life' image.

Aerial hunting is really sick and disgusting, too. Where's the 'sport' in that? I mean I'm not into hunting at all, not my way--though I do eat meat--but I can respect hunters who are respectful of the environment they hunt in. Chasing animals with airplanes or helicopters is just sadistic.

But really that is the least of my objections to her. Supporting the teaching of Creationism in schools and being anti-abortion, these are the things that make me sick when I think of McCain choosing her.

Dirty Ernie
08-31-2008, 10:50 PM
In the forum at Saddleback Church McCain insisted human rights should be given to a fetus at conception. He also backed down to removing the party plank allowing no abortion exceptions. He has dug his own hole on this issue.

jester214
08-31-2008, 10:51 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12988.html

Just because HE wasn't talking with her about it, doesn't mean his people weren't. If you really give his campaign this little credit, you're letting a dislike for Republicans to overshadow your sense.

Dirty Ernie
08-31-2008, 10:54 PM
Some of the principals involved in the "Troopergate" investigation also say they were not contacted by anyone from McCain's camp regarding any vetting process.

Emily
08-31-2008, 10:58 PM
I have to have some faith that SOMEONE in his camp has SOME sense to do research on a VP candidate.

Unless they changed their mind at the last minute after realizing Obama wasn't choosing Hilary as his running mate....but even then, you'd think they'd have planned for that too.


BTW, Biden who?

Roxelle
08-31-2008, 10:59 PM
Just because HE wasn't talking with her about it, doesn't mean his people weren't. If you really give his campaign this little credit, you're letting a dislike for Republicans to overshadow your sense.

It's not about my "like" or "dislike," there's a clip of her from a month ago indicating she didn't even know what the VP does. I have seen no indication that they were in talks. YOU come up with some sources if you find anything different.


Count Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as one of the most surprised that she was chosen as the running mate for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).

In an interview just a month ago, she dissed the job, saying it didn’t seem “productive.”

In fact, she said she didn’t know what the vice president does.

Larry Kudlow of CNBC’s “Kudlow & Co.” asked her about the possibility of becoming McCain's ticket mate.

Palin replied: “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969.html

jester214
08-31-2008, 11:00 PM
Well unless the kid isn't hers, I still think the choice makes good sense. He's already cut the lead, I don't think this can hurt it. People obviously weren't impressed by Biden.

jester214
08-31-2008, 11:03 PM
It's not about my "like" or "dislike," there's a clip of her from a month ago indicating she didn't even know what the VP does. I have seen no indication that they were in talks. YOU come up with some sources if you find anything different.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969.html

Can you tell me what the VP does from day to day? (As I've already stated one VP played golf every day). That's not an insult as much as people want it to be. It was a legitimate comment that makes perfect sense. Quit trying to make it be something it's not.

I'm not saying they've been talking for years, but if you think they decided one night they'd take her, and asked her the next day, then you're not thinking.

Roxelle
08-31-2008, 11:07 PM
I just don't see evidence that they've done a lot of vetting, and that it seems to have been a pretty quick decision. You are calling me naive, stupid, or whatever for saying that, for seeing no evidence to the contrary - because they MUST have done a lot of vetting and had a lot of talks at this level, right? But I'll ask YOU to provide evidence to the contrary. I'm actually providing some evidence, not saying, "just believe me."

jester214
08-31-2008, 11:12 PM
Your evidence is not evidence, it's saying the two didn't meet before. I'm not asking you to beleive me, I'm asking you to use some sense.

Roxelle
08-31-2008, 11:18 PM
O.k. It's completely impossible that choosing SP was a pretty quick decision and she may not have been well vetted. Although that's what the evidece seems to point to, it just "doesn't make sense," so you must be right.

sapphiregirl
08-31-2008, 11:45 PM
good stuff, but lower 48 peeps live a different lifestyle than Alaskans. I think it's a right of passage to get a gunrack on your ATV there.


The people flying around in heliocopters to aerial hunt wolves and bears probably arent native Alaskans either. NO WAY is that part of their culture.

sapphiregirl
08-31-2008, 11:47 PM
I see where you are coming from Emily, but the picture of her with her daughter celebrating as the blood runs out into the snow is a potent 'anti-life' image.

Aerial hunting is really sick and disgusting, too. Where's the 'sport' in that? I mean I'm not into hunting at all, not my way--though I do eat meat--but I can respect hunters who are respectful of the environment they hunt in. Chasing animals with airplanes or helicopters is just sadistic.

But really that is the least of my objections to her. Supporting the teaching of Creationism in schools and being anti-abortion, these are the things that make me sick when I think of McCain choosing her.


I totally agree. She is HORRIBLE for the environment. I hope Biden chews her up in the debates. Does she even have any experience with debating...lol



Here are some quick snapshots of Palin's record on issues related to energy and the environment:

Opposed a statewide ballot initiative to prohibit or restrict new mining operations that could affect salmon in the state's streams and rivers
Has pushed to build a natural-gas pipeline from Alaska's North Slope
Got the state legislature to pass a bill to provide each Alaskan $1,200 to help with energy costs
Sued the Interior Department (http://www.grist.org/news/2008/05/22/alaska/) over its decision to list the polar bear as a threatened species
Has proposed eliminating Alaska's gas tax
Has pushed to open Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling
Has created a committee to forge Alaska's climate-change strategy, and has made Alaska an observer (but not a member) of the Western Climate Initiative (http://www.grist.org/news/daily/2007/08/23/1/)
Opposes a windfall profits tax on oil companies
Was the ethics commissioner of the Alaska Gas and Oil Conservation Commission from 2003 to 2004
Lifelong angler and hunter
Husband is an oil production operator for BP on Alaska's North Slope
Started Alaska's Petroleum Systems Integrity Office, an oversight and maintenance agency for the state's oil and gas equipment, facilities, and infrastructure
Chairs the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, a multistate panel "that promotes the conservation and efficient recovery of domestic oil and natural gas resources while protecting health, safety and the environment"
Believes intelligent design should be taught along with evolution in science classesQuotable quotes from Palin:

When I look every day, the big oil company's building is right out there next to me, and it's quite a reminder that we should have mutually beneficial relationships with the oil industry.
Alternative-energy solutions are far from imminent and would require more than 10 years to develop.
I believe in protecting Alaska's environment through fair enforcement of our environmental laws. Having a clean record on environmental regulation is critical to getting ANWR open and maintaining our fisheries, mining, timber, and tourism industries.
I am not only a champion for Alaska’s fishing industry, but a part of it. My family is proud to be a Bristol Bay fishing family. That’s why, as Governor I will do what’s right for Alaska’s fishing communities. I know the resource must come first in our management decisions. If we manage for abundance, we should have enough fish for all our needs.
We believe that the ... decision to list the polar bear was not based on the best scientific and commercial data available.
I am encouraged with [John McCain's] evolved thinking on offshore drilling, and I think he might come along on ANWR if he sees our 2,000 acres for himself.
I get frustrated with folks from outside Alaska who come up and say, "You shouldn't develop your resources."
We have so much potential from tapping our resources here in Alaska. And we can do this with minimum environmental impact. We have a very pro-development president in President Bush, and yet he failed to push for opening up parts of Alaska to drilling through Congress -- and a Republican-controlled Congress, I might add.

I thought when we hit $100 a barrel for oil it would have been a psychological barrier that would have caused Congress to reconsider, but they didn't. Now we are approaching $200 a barrel. It's nonsense not to tap a safe domestic source of oil. I think Americans need to hold Congress accountable on this one.
A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one though who would attribute [global warming] to being man-made.
I beg to disagree with any candidate who would say we can't drill our way out of our problem or that more supply won't ultimately affect prices. Of course it will affect prices.

sapphiregirl
08-31-2008, 11:52 PM
I have to have some faith that SOMEONE in his camp has SOME sense to do research on a VP candidate.

Unless they changed their mind at the last minute after realizing Obama wasn't choosing Hilary as his running mate....but even then, you'd think they'd have planned for that too.


BTW, Biden who?



Biden who? He has been a US Senator since 1973. Its your fault if you have never heard of him.


Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden, Jr. (pronounced /'dʒoʊsɛf rɒbɪ'nɛt 'bаɪdɛn/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English); born November 20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_20), 1942 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942)), is the senior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate#Seniority) United States Senator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate) from Delaware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware). He is both the Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)) vice presidential (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States) nominee for the November 2008 election (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008) and a candidate for re-election in the U.S. Senate.
Born and raised in Scranton, Pennsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scranton,_Pennsylvania) for ten years prior to moving to Delaware, Biden trained as a lawyer and became a senator in 1973 at the Constitutional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution) minimum age of 30, making him the fifth-youngest senator in U.S. history. He has served as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Committee_on_the_Judiciary), dealing with issues related to drug policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy), crime prevention, and civil liberties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_liberties). He is a long-time member and current chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Committee_on_Foreign_Relation s) and has worked on resolutions concerning the Yugoslav wars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_wars) and Iraq War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War).
Biden unsuccessfully sought the Democratic presidential nomination in 1988 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1988) and 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_presidential_campaign,_2008). In his sixth consecutive term in the Senate, Biden has served for the sixth-longest period among current senators.
On August 23, 2008, Barack Obama's presidential campaign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_campaign,_2008) announced that Biden would be Obama's running mate for the 2008 US Presidential election. Biden officially accepted the nomination on August 27, 2008 at the 2008 Democratic National Convention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Democratic_National_Convention) in Denver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver,_Colorado), Colorado (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado).

Emily
09-01-2008, 12:05 AM
dude, it's a joke. I live like a minute away from Delaware.

I never said I hadn't heard of him. I meant he's getting no publicity. But I guess it's more entertaining to pretend like I'm an idiot. Your copy and pasting skills are quite impressive though!

Budai
09-01-2008, 12:12 AM
^ I'm coveting your avatar, Emily!

(pardon the threadjack, I'm just sayin')

kitana
09-01-2008, 02:32 AM
Sarah Palin has done nothing to deserve being elected Vice President.

If you care about the environment at all....She is a nightmare. I'm always amused how those far right Christian conservatives can't respect all life on earth....bunch of hypocrits. But i guess its really Christian to shoot high powered guns for trophies and to screw of one of the last pristine environments on the planet for oil. Somehow I dont think "God" would be impressed.




In all actuality, she is currently MORE qualified than all FOUR of them to be VP, since she is the only one who is holding/has held a executive position.

What in the world does being Rep have to do with Christianity?