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kitana
09-01-2008, 02:48 AM
Sarah Palin doesn't even know what the Vice President does.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9poCWnGIb8

And Obama thinks there are 60 states. ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

kitana
09-01-2008, 02:58 AM
I can see where you are offended by her hunting pictures. Most TRUE HUNTERS I've talked with think its a private thing. You, nature, whatever.
You are taking a life.

They are actually offended by people who post youtube videos etc of animals dying, dead.

As for Happy Meals......I bet BIG MONEY if Americans had to spend time in slaughter houses, a lot less would eat meat.

What do you consider a "true hunter" then?

I have quite a few pics of my first hunts and those hunts after at my parent's house along with the trophy head of my 1st 8 pt buck and my first quail.

I am also the one that drags the damn thing OUT of the woods, field dresses it, skins it, butchers it, packs it in the freezer, and pulls it out to cook.

I save the skins for various things (craft projects, quilts, rugs, clothing, etc...), the bones and guts go to my dog to eat, the hooves for chew toys for him (they last FOREVER, BTW!), and I will have the head mounted if it's a good rack, if not I give the antlers to my uncle who makes knives and cutlery handles out of them.

I don't NEED to work in a slaughter house to know that McDonald's is shitty food and I refuse to eat there, in fact I would rather work in a slaughter house and eat the meat from there that I butchered with my own hands than that fast food crap.

Djoser
09-01-2008, 05:41 AM
^ I'm coveting your avatar, Emily!

(pardon the threadjack, I'm just sayin')

Really, fuck all this politics talk. Boooooring...

How do they get those angst-ridden oranges so orange? Do they inject something under the skin? Where can I get some?

G-Real
09-01-2008, 06:20 AM
.... I don't think she was a bad choice, and frankly she wasn't picked with the left in mind. Or even those in the middle, she was picked to shore up the Conservative. That's what she's going to do.

this is where I disagree my friend....there are obviously alot of others with experiience who could have pulled the right-base to mcCain, like say Romney (shutter, my gubnor), Huckabee, etc...

But the fact is that McCain picked someone with no experience, except being the governor for 16 months of the 3 least populated state. In addition, the pick was a woman which is panning to the women who were voting for Clinton.

sapphiregirl
09-01-2008, 06:23 AM
For all you women supporting Sarah Palin.....She DOES NOT support equal pay for women....Just like mcCain. Go ahead and shoot yourself in the foot

sapphiregirl
09-01-2008, 06:27 AM
What do you consider a "true hunter" then?

I have quite a few pics of my first hunts and those hunts after at my parent's house along with the trophy head of my 1st 8 pt buck and my first quail.

I am also the one that drags the damn thing OUT of the woods, field dresses it, skins it, butchers it, packs it in the freezer, and pulls it out to cook.

I save the skins for various things (craft projects, quilts, rugs, clothing, etc...), the bones and guts go to my dog to eat, the hooves for chew toys for him (they last FOREVER, BTW!), and I will have the head mounted if it's a good rack, if not I give the antlers to my uncle who makes knives and cutlery handles out of them.

I don't NEED to work in a slaughter house to know that McDonald's is shitty food and I refuse to eat there, in fact I would rather work in a slaughter house and eat the meat from there that I butchered with my own hands than that fast food crap.


Dear....you are bitching at the wrong person.

G-Real
09-01-2008, 06:32 AM
In all actuality, she is currently MORE qualified than all FOUR of them to be VP, since she is the only one who is holding/has held a executive position.

What in the world does being Rep have to do with Christianity?


Romney - governor, 4 years, Massachusetts (14th largest population)
Huckabee - governor, 10 years Arkansas (33rd largest population)
- lt. Governor, 3 years Arkansas (33rd largest population)

kitana
09-01-2008, 07:45 AM
Romney - governor, 4 years, Massachusetts (14th largest population)
Huckabee - governor, 10 years Arkansas (33rd largest population)
- lt. Governor, 3 years Arkansas (33rd largest population)

And are Huckabee, or Romney in the race anymore?

NOPE, they are NOT.

I said, of the FOUR (McCain, Biden, Obama and Palin), and of those four she IS the most qualified.

Richard_Head
09-01-2008, 08:10 AM
In all actuality, she is currently MORE qualified than all FOUR of them to be VP, since she is the only one who is holding/has held a executive position.I guess that depends upon your definition of qualified. Personally, I hardly think that 18 months of governor of the fourth least populace state in the country makes somebody more qualified than somebody with 24 years of experience in the U.S. senate.

Emily
09-01-2008, 08:52 AM
add to that that Alaskans, while they do enjoy the benefits of being US citizens, often feel like they are not part of this country. My mother, sister and boyfriend are all Alaskans and have this "euw" tone when talking about the lower 48 and the people that live here.


For all you women supporting Sarah Palin.....She DOES NOT support equal pay for women....Just like mcCain. Go ahead and shoot yourself in the foot

I'm fairly certain she doesn't approve of titty bars either! Voting Republican is biting the hand that feeds you. Our industry depends on democrats running the show because they aren't taking the moral high ground that republicans love to take with "Christian Family Values."



What in the world does being Rep have to do with Christianity?

Everything! Since they will never get the votes they need by only representing the very wealthiest (which is what their agenda is, imo) they need to rally support from additional special interest groups. By also representing bible thumpers, you get yourself a lot of votes!

Melonie
09-01-2008, 08:58 AM
^^^ well, where being a governor is concerned, unlike a senator a governor must take responsibility for proposing a state budget and then BALANCING that budget. Unlike a senator, if a governor proposes a new program which doesn't work out as promised the governor must take 100% of the heat. Unlike a senator a governor must manage the activities / functioning of a wide array of departments / projects, with the governor taking the heat if those departments / projects don't provide the expected results. By comparison, a Senator isn't actually held accountable for ANYTHING they do (or fail to do).


Again circling back on topic, so far Sarah Palin has helped John McCain's campaign immensely in one very important area ...

(snip)"$10 Million Woman: Palin a Hit with GOP Donors
McCain Campaign Raises Over $10 Million Since Palin Tapped as Running Mate

The McCain campaign raised more than $10 million in the two and a half days after Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was named as the vice presidential running mate, bringing the total raised in the month of August to more than $47 million, campaign officials tell ABC News.

The final, official figures are expected to be reported in the next few days, but the amount appears to be a record for the McCain campaign, almost twice as much as it has raised in any other single month.

"We're still counting," said campaign spokesman Brian Rogers.

"We were blown away," said one top McCain official. "She has energized our base and when we see the money flowing like that we know we have a hit," said the official.

As a result, the official said, Palin will be asked to spend at least 80 per cent of her time raising money between now and the election."(snip)

from


and as anybody in politics who doesn't have friends who own TV networks, radio stations and newspapers can tell you, being short of funds to BUY air time for campaign ads is a good way to lose elections.

Zia_Abq
09-01-2008, 09:01 AM
she IS the most qualified.

That is a joke, right? You actually think Palin is more qualified than Biden who currently serves on two major FEDERAL LEVEL committees? Those being the Foreign Relations Committee and the Judiciary Committee. Senator Biden is the CHAIRMAN of both the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime.

More than a decade ago he wrote and helped pass the Violence Against Women Act.

Biden's leadership resulted in helping to bring stability and peace to the Balkans. These days he has been fighting to push the Congressional effort to end genocide, this time in Darfur.

He had a very instrumental role in passing the bipartisan initiative to create a Commission on Civil Rights in 1983.

He also authored the Rail Security Act of 2007 which regulate the transportation of hazardous material.

So considering all that how does her experience make her better suited to be VP than Biden?

Emily
09-01-2008, 09:02 AM
^^^ well, where being a governor is concerned, unlike a senator a governor must take responsibility for proposing a state budget and then BALANCING that budget. Unlike a senator, if a governor proposes a new program which doesn't work out as promised the governor must take 100% of the heat. Unlike a senator a governor must manage the activities / functioning of a wide array of departments / projects, with the governor taking the heat if those departments / projects don't provide the expected results. By comparison, a Senator isn't actually held accountable for ANYTHING they do (or fail to do).


well, W was govenor, but he sure doesn't seem to be taking responsibility for his monumental fuckup as president.

Melonie
09-01-2008, 09:12 AM
^^^ for better or for worse, the office of President is an executive / management position. While a President may play some role in proposing new policies / legislation, by and large the office involves choosing a course of action and then making that action happen. This involves setting and balancing priorities, getting other people / departments to work together effectively, choosing people to appoint who are able to get things done etc. NOTHING in a US Senator's job description covers any of these areas !!! Now it's true that some Senators have picked up executive / management experience outside of government i.e. in the private sector, or have at least in other gov't posts that involved executive / management job elements. However, neither Biden's or Obama's pre-Senatorial experience has been in such areas. Palin has at least done these things for the past two years as governor.

And I'll also throw in that another of the President's major job elements is being CIC of the US Military. Neither Biden's nor Obama's pre-senatorial experience has been in this area either (unless you count filing for repeated draft deferments). Palin has at least commanded her state's national guard (which has a lot more responsibility than other state national guards due to the fact that her state borders a 'hostile country' i.e. Russia).

Is Palin qualified to be president ? IMHO the immediate answer is no. However, nothing in Obama's resume' would tend to indicate that he is any more qualified. And there is the 'slight' distinction that, in all probability, Palin will not be required to fulfill the duties of President within the next 4 years ... whereas Obama will be expected to fulfill those duties immediately.

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CKXXX
09-01-2008, 09:16 AM
All I see is hating by a bunch of allready lefties. As an independent, I don't think she was a bad choice, and frankly she wasn't picked with the left in mind. Or even those in the middle, she was picked to shore up the Conservative. That's what she's going to do.


For the record..I'm a registered Independent.I like to think for myself.

Zia_Abq
09-01-2008, 09:24 AM
involves choosing a course of action and then making that action happen. This involves setting and balancing priorities, getting other people / departments to work together effectively, choosing people to appoint who are able to get things done etc. NOTHING in a US Senator's job description covers any of these areas !!!

Not true and I think you know it too. Let's not let our various partisian views go so far that we start writing out blatant lies like that one. If just outright lying about things is where this discussion is going it might as well just end right here and now.

Richard_Head
09-01-2008, 09:26 AM
^^^ well, where being a governor is concerned, unlike a senator a governor must take responsibility for proposing a state budget and then BALANCING that budget. Unlike a senator, if a governor proposes a new program which doesn't work out as promised the governor must take 100% of the heat. Unlike a senator a governor must manage the activities / functioning of a wide array of departments / projects, with the governor taking the heat if those departments / projects don't provide the expected results. By comparison, a Senator isn't actually held accountable for ANYTHING they do (or fail to do).I could maybe, maybe, see your point if she was a governor for more than 18 months, but she's been there 18 months, how many budgets has she over seen? How many of her new programs have been enacted? Since when are Senators not held accountable, you know they have to run for reelection every 6 years right?

Richard_Head
09-01-2008, 09:29 AM
Wow, the internet rumor mill has now churned out the claim the fifth child was actually born to Palin's daughter. I would assume this goes in the same category as Obama being muslim. But that falsehood still has legs today.Oh, this is classic, she's offering as proof that the baby is her's by going public with the fact that her 17 year old unmarried daughter is currently 5 months pregnant.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2944356420080901

Melonie
09-01-2008, 09:30 AM
^^^ I've got to call you on this one. Other than the Senate Majority Leader, who in the Senate sets and balances priorities ? What important government agencies report to and are managed by the Senate ? What appointed positions are filled by the Senate ? The answers of course are none (with the limited exception of Senate committee chairpersons of which Biden is one but Obama is not), none of importance, and none at the federal level.


As to Palin's daughter being pregnant, this will actually help her 'blue collar' appeal in swing states.



I could maybe, maybe, see your point if she was a governor for more than 18 months, but she's been there 18 months, how many budgets has she over seen? How many of her new programs have been enacted?

Two state budgets. As to new programs, her gas pipeline project is HUGE ... because getting it proposed and approved by the Alaska state legislatures involved dealing with major US oil companies, the US federal government, the Canadian government, Canadian oil companies, as well as state and federal US politicians, environmental groups etc. Her other major new program also appears to hold the promise of being wildly successful ... i.e. the Alaskan state gov't mailing every Alaskan resident a $1200 check as their 'share' of Alaskan oil and gas royalties.

Richard_Head
09-01-2008, 09:35 AM
As to Palin's daughter being pregnant, this will actually help her 'blue collar' appeal in swing states.You're kidding right? Aren't those the social conservative voters?

Melonie
09-01-2008, 09:39 AM
^^^ that also have daughters who get pregnant !

G-Real
09-01-2008, 09:40 AM
You're kidding right? Aren't those the social conservative voters?

no.....she's serious.

nothing like a soon to be "welfare mom" as the conservatives put it, to be the daughter/granddaughter of the VP::)

Dirty Ernie
09-01-2008, 09:44 AM
Well Republicans want sex education and contraception kept out of the schools. Apparently they don't bother to teach it at home, either.

Richard_Head
09-01-2008, 09:52 AM
^^^ I've got to call you on this one. Other than the Senate Majority Leader, who in the Senate sets and balances priorities ? What important government agencies report to and are managed by the Senate ? What appointed positions are filled by the Senate ? The answers of course are none (with the limited exception of Senate committee chairpersons of which Biden is one but Obama is not), none of importance, and none at the federal level.


Two state budgets. As to new programs, her gas pipeline project is HUGE ... because getting it proposed and approved by the Alaska state legislatures involved dealing with major US oil companies, the US federal government, the Canadian government, Canadian oil companies, as well as state and federal US politicians, environmental groups etc. Her other major new program also appears to hold the promise of being wildly successful ... i.e. the Alaskan state gov't mailing every Alaskan resident a $1200 check as their 'share' of Alaskan oil and gas royalties.I'm not saying that your point doesn't have some merit, I'm just saying that 18 months is hardly long enough a period of time to judge her performance. There's a big difference between programs that "hold the promise of being wildly successful" and actually being successful.

doc-catfish
09-01-2008, 09:56 AM
So are we going to argue that either of these guys are better qualified to be President than anyone in the Senate?
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/10/29/scharzenegger_narrowweb__300x379,0.jpg http://www.birrenbach.com/MASTER/GRAPHICS/jvport.jpg

Emily
09-01-2008, 09:58 AM
So are we going to argue that either of these guys are better qualified to be President than anyone in the Senate?


it should go more like this....
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/10/29/scharzenegger_narrowweb__300x379,0.jpg http://www.birrenbach.com/MASTER/GRAPHICS/jvport.jpg http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/george-w-bush-picture.jpeg

G-Real
09-01-2008, 10:01 AM
So are we going to argue that either of these guys are better qualified to be President than anyone in the Senate?
http://www.birrenbach.com/MASTER/GRAPHICS/jvport.jpg

I can see him now, running up to the podium at the debates, and then do a flying suplex on his opponent ;D

Richard_Head
09-01-2008, 10:07 AM
Jesse would sure make things interesting.

I loved this quote from him when he was trying to decide whether or not to run as a third party candidate for the U.S. Senate.

"And all you Minnesotans, take a good hard look at all three of us, and you decide -- if you were in a dark alley, which one of the three of us would you want with you?"

He could use that on Obama and McCain.

Emily
09-01-2008, 10:14 AM
awww, McCain is a war hero! ::)

doc-catfish
09-01-2008, 10:14 AM
it should go more like this....
Well, if you want to go that way we could add these guys too.

http://www.brocktoon.net/img/ronald_reaganTHM.jpg http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/scanner/2008/04/01-07/sonny-bono.jpg

Of course, GWB had no career in the entertainment biz, before he became an executive.
:hat:

Which just emphasizes my point...In the right circumstances, charisma can often trump experience in the minds of a voter, particularly when a charismatic upstart is taking on an experienced candidate with a bad reputation following him (or his party). That's how Gov. Palin got her current job, and probably one reason McCain picked her.

Emily
09-01-2008, 10:17 AM
Sonny was president?!

doc-catfish
09-01-2008, 10:28 AM
Sonny was president?!
No, but he was mayor of Palm Springs, CA.

Yeah, small time executive, but executive nonetheless.

Emily
09-01-2008, 10:32 AM
yeah, that's kinda small. This is about qualification to be president.

I mean, technically I've got executive experience because I have my own budget and 5 anipals to care for.

G-Real
09-01-2008, 10:34 AM
I mean heck, Washington was a general, and land-owner.......what credentials did he have?

Dirty Ernie
09-01-2008, 10:35 AM
He was actually elected to Congress (R) in '94 and was serving at the time of his death. I believe his widow won the seat in a special election.

Richard_Head
09-01-2008, 10:36 AM
yeah, that's kinda small. This is about qualification to be president.

I mean, technically I've got executive experience because I have my own budget and 5 anipals to care for.Emily for President!

Emily
09-01-2008, 10:53 AM
OMG OMG! Puppies for every man, woman and child!

hardkandee
09-01-2008, 10:56 AM
^Yeah and you've got a hold on foreign policy too! You are worth 6 camels in Dubai!

Miss_Luscious
09-01-2008, 11:35 AM
awww, McCain is a war hero! ::)

A noun, a verb and P.O.W

minnow
09-01-2008, 11:50 AM
How much experience is enough?? According to US constitution, be 35 yrs. old and a native born(sic) US citizen. Not one poster has defined the minimum govt, executive, or otherwise experience they'd like to see in Presidential or VP candidate. Four yrs in Congress?? Twelve?? Would 4 yrs as governor be preferable to 12 yrs in various cabinet posts or not?? I'm sure some posters can name some 20 yr. plus experienced govt. office holders that would give them the shudders to envision them being Pres. or VP. Major achievements are a factor, too. (Bills sponsored, Nobel Prizes received, etc)

Taken in context of post WW2 era, I gotta admit that 1.5 yrs. as governor of 46th most populated state (and OCONUS at that) & some time as mayor of a small town is a thin resume for potential Commander-in-Chief .

doc-catfish
09-01-2008, 11:56 AM
OMG OMG! Puppies for every man, woman and child!
Can my puppies be kitties instead? They're easier to clean.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_6wZorx90IaM/RoT9RLauCHI/AAAAAAAAAes/uIBM_xQusOQ/s320/cat+%26+bush.jpg

So I've heard. :O

Jay Zeno
09-01-2008, 12:00 PM
Gotta go with minnow on this one. I think you guys are getting way too caught up in your advocacy. Whether you think a governor or member of Congress is "more" qualified to serve apparently depends on which party you're rooting for.

Gov. Palin's resume is, indeed, thin. 26 years of legislating, debating, and being in the midst of domestic and foreign policy affecting the country and sometimes the world is, indeed, more qualification than being an executive for a couple years over a state of fewer than 700,000 citizens. By that standard, you could argue that the major of Denver is more qualified.

Shall we go through the recent list of Presidents in the last, say, 50 years and see who was governor and who was congressional? We've had both for President, some effective and some much less so. The fact of Congressional or gubernatorial experience obviously qualifies one in the voters' eyes.

Sen. McCain's service as a POW was, as Sen. Obama himself stated, something that was admirable. We can parse over "hero," but he acquitted himself quite well in enduring horrible treatment for seven years while in service to our country (probably a big reason why he's anti-torture in contravention to the present Administration).

Emily
09-01-2008, 12:30 PM
guilty, I am biased. It would take a lot for me to vote Republican and McSame couldn't pick anyone as his running mate to sway my vote, except maybe Hilary Clinton.

sapphiregirl
09-01-2008, 12:40 PM
Well unless the kid isn't hers, I still think the choice makes good sense. He's already cut the lead, I don't think this can hurt it. People obviously weren't impressed by Biden.


I think Palin should play a better mother instead of politician...she has a pregnant 17 year old daughter.

eagle2
09-01-2008, 12:52 PM
This is certainly a choice that will appeal to a lot of voters concerned about McCain's 'longevity'. And Sarah Palin is IMPRESSIVE ...

(snip)"Sarah Palin is an anomaly in American politics. It’s not because she’s a woman, not because of her blue-collar background, and not because of her ability to juggle the titles of “governor” and “committed mother of five”.


I don’t know about the “committed mother of five” part. Her teenage daughter is pregnant.



Forget about all of that stuff for a moment; it’s interesting, but if Barack Obama has taught us anything, it’s that a compelling biography is not a qualification for leadership.

You don’t know what kind of leader Obama would be. He has not yet served as President. If he is elected, he may be a great leader or he may be a poor or average leader. There is no way to know unless he actually becomes President.



Instead, Palin is unique because she can claim one of the broadest bases of support of any leader in our country. Other than the lunatic fringes of Alaska’s kleptocratic political establishment, nobody hates her.

Most Americans don’t know who she is.



I have been working to draft Gov. Palin as Vice President since February of 2007, and I can recount first hand how she has united divergent views among Republicans and is now even gaining Democratic support. The key is that she offers a combination of qualities that make her a hero to many, many different groups. For instance, two of our strongest bases of support have been social conservatives and libertarian republicans, who are normally at each other’s throats.

Melonie,

Do you really want to take women’s reproductive rights away?




For those Democrats who are considering abandoning the Obama ticket (primarily disillusioned Clinton supporters), Palin represents the final push into the Republican camp. Not only is she a woman (which, like it or not, is an issue for some voters), but she also puts a fresh, future-oriented face on the McCain campaign. By upending Alaska’s corrupt political class, Palin has actually produced the type of change that Barack Obama can only talk about; and her collar is far bluer than Joe Biden’s ever was. Furthermore, she is arguably the only candidate who has the necessary expertise to address the single most pressing issue in this election: gas prices. As Governor of Alaska, Chair of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission (America’s largest interstate organization), and a former Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, Sarah Palin can run rings around almost anyone when it comes to oil.

No, she can’t. More drilling is not going to solve anything. There isn’t anywhere near enough oil in the US to meet our needs. The only way to solve our oil problems is to significantly reduce the amount of oil we use. We've had two oil men in the White House for the past eight years and look how it worked out.



The last candidate to assemble such a broad coalition of support was a gentleman by the name of Ronald Wilson Reagan. He not only won the presidency in two successive landslides, but went on to become one of the most beloved and effective presidents in recent history.


There are many people who would disagree with you on that. He’s the one who started this “supply side economics”, which has resulted in trillions of dollars of debt for the American people and has jeopardized our economic future. I find him to have been more irresponsible than effective.



Now, I realize that it is somewhat presumptuous of me to make this comparison, but I personally have no doubt that Sarah Palin has the capability to become the next Reagan. In fact, the only real question that I have heard is whether we should bring her to the forefront now as a VP candidate or save her for later as a full-fledged presidential hopeful in 2012. I personally choose the former, because the latter involves the defeat of John McCain and the election of President Obama and Vice President Biden. 2008 will be a crucial election year, with the winner being handed the responsibility for the Iraq war, the gasoline crisis, the Russo-Georgian conflict, and any number of other issues. The stakes are simply too high to throw McCain under the bus and bide our time. Likewise, Sen. McCain should realize that the stakes are too high for him to select a VP candidate who simply “does no harm” rather than pushing his ticket over the top.


The Iraq war for the most part, is over. The government of Iraq is demanding the US pull our troops out of their country. Regardless of who is elected, American troops will most likely be out of Iraq by the end of their first term.



There is one sure fire solution to this problem, one way to guarantee a McCain surge, one way to put Obama on the defensive, and one way to steamroll to victory in November. Her name is Sarah Palin."(snip)

from http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/



She may possibly help McCain get some votes from the far right and from women, but if many Americans see her as being too inexperienced, she may end up costing McCain a lot more.

eagle2
09-01-2008, 01:03 PM
Melonie,

Just noticed that your post was quoted from another blog and not what you actually wrote. If the blog you posted doesn't represent your position, please disregard where I addressed you, in my comments. I was just responding to what was quoted from the blog in your post.

Budai
09-01-2008, 01:17 PM
Sonny was president?!


No, but he was mayor of Palm Springs, CA.

Yeah, small time executive, but executive nonetheless.

Although Sonny couldn't ski well either, it didn't stop him from trying... :rip:
Bono described himself as "an expert skier", just as both camps have proclaimed their candidates "well qualified".

kitana
09-01-2008, 02:14 PM
I don’t know about the “committed mother of five” part. Her teenage daughter is pregnant.


No, she can’t. More drilling is not going to solve anything. There isn’t anywhere near enough oil in the US to meet our needs.


I want to comment about these two thoughts.

First, no parent can stop a teenager from doing anything they choose to if their mind is on it. Her 17yr being pregnant isn't an indication of her parental skills.

Secondly, the amount of oil under and off the shores of the US is unknown. It can be speculated, but until that well is drilled and drained dry and counted, no one really knows.

There could be 1.7 million barrels and there could be 112.7 trillion barrels and no one will know till it is all said and done. Some of those pockets that look huge can be tiny, and some of the small ones can produce for decades and produce MUCH more than ever expected.

When it comes to oil and to drill or not to drill, you will have a 1,000 different opinions and it's anyone's guess who's correct.

jester214
09-01-2008, 02:29 PM
I will say one thing, I respect Obama for jumping right in and saying family is off limits. I think he meant it too. Guess this also puts to rest the "it's her kids daughter argument".

Richard_Head
09-01-2008, 03:11 PM
I will say one thing, I respect Obama for jumping right in and saying family is off limits. I think he meant it too. Guess this also puts to rest the "it's her kids daughter argument".I don't think that the media is going to be playing by Obama's rules though, do you?